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English translation A translation that taketh away from the text that addeth to the text that some tymes to the changing or obscuring of the meaning of the Holy Ghost Also calling it A translation which is absurde and senslesse peruerting in very many places the meaning of the holy Ghost Not without cause therfore did his Maiestie affirme that he could neuer yet see a Bible well translated into English See the Sume c. vt supra The Catholicke translation acknovvledged for the best BEza saith of S. Hierome g in cap. 1. S. Lucae v. 1. The old interpreter saith he seemeth to haue intetpreted the holy bookes with marueilous sincerity and religion And in another place h Praef. noui test anni 1556. the vulgar translation I doe for the most part imbrace and preferre before all others M. D. Humfrey saith also of S. Hierome i de ratione interpretat lib. 1. pag. 74. The old interpreter saith he seemeth sufficiētly bent to follow the proprietie of wordes and he doth it in deed to carefully which notwithstanding I suppose him to haue done not of ignorance but out of religion and conscience k pag. 179. Which is no fault as M. Humfrey himselfe testifieth in the same place saying In Prophane writinges a man may rainge more freely and depart from the wordes in Canonicall Scripture no such licence is tolerable for it is not lawfull for man to alter the tongue of God These hee Carolus Molinaus l in Luc. 17. professeth to preferre the vulgar translation or edition before Erasmus Bucer Bullinger Brentius the Tigurine translation also before Iohn Caluin and all others That famous Protestant writer Conradus Pelicanus saith m in praefat in psalterium anni 15●4 Wee find the vulgar edition of such excellencie learning and to agree with the Hebrew truth touching the sense that I doe not doubt but the greeke and Latin interpreter were most learned yea most pious and of a true Propheticall spirit M. Whit●ker hauing changed his former vehement stile else where against S. Hieromes translation saith in his answere to M. Reynoldes n pag. 214 S. Hierome I reuerēce Damasus the Pope I commend and the worke I cōfesse to be godlie and profitable to the Church in his answere to M B●uges c pag. 94 M. D. Cauell saith the vulgar translation was vsed in the Church one thousand and three hundreth yeares since and doubteth not to preferre it before all others In so much that wheras the English translations are manie and among themselues disagreeing he concludeth that of all those o pag 91. the appoued translation authorized by the Church of England is that which commeth nearest to the vulgar is commonly called the Bishops Bible o truth most strong Sacred and inuiolable p Austin co●● Don●tist po● Collat cap. 24. more forceable as S Austine obserueth to wringe out confessiō then any rack or torment To conclude therfore although wee should graunt them to haue agreed vpon some one translation yet their disagreement in the sense therof is farre greater And as q pag 5● M. D. Reynoldes saith in his cōference with M. Hart It is not the shew but the sense of wordes of Scripture that must decide controuersies And S Hierome saith r in Epist ad Talat The Ghospell is not in the word but in the sense not in the Barke but in the sappe not in the leaues of the wordes but in the roote of the meaning THE 12. ARTICLE The Church cannot nor ought not to haue erred SCRIPTVRE a Esale ca. 59.21 THis is my league with them saith the Lord my spirit which is in thee and my wordes which I haue put in thy mouth shall not departe out of thy mouth the mouth of thy seed the mouth of thy seedes seed saith the Lord frō hence forth for euer more b Ibid. ca. 60. verb. 1. l. 20. Whearas thou hast bene forsaken enuied and vnfrequented I will make thee saith God to arise into an euerlasting height so as thou shalt sucke the milke of other nations and the brestes of princes and thou shalt know that I thy God am thy Sauiour and defender thy sunne shall no more goe downe nor thy moone leese her light for our Lord shal be thy light which shall continue for euer c psal 88. verb. 37.38 his seede shall cōtinue for euer his throne as the sunne in my sight and as the moone persite for euer d Daniel 2 44. But in the dayes of those kingdomes the God of heauen will rayse vp a kingdome that shall not be dissipated foreuer and it shall stand for euer And e cap. 7.14 his power is a power for euer which shall not be takē away his kingdome which shall neuer be corrupted f Matth. 1618. And I say vnto thee that thou arte Peter and vpō this rocke will I build my Church and the gates of Hell shall not preuail against her g Luc. 22.32 But I haue prayed for thee that thy faith fail not and thou being conuerted confirme thy brethren h Iohn 14.16 And I will aske the Father and he will giue you another paraclete which shall remaine with you foreuer the spirit of truth i Ibid. c. 1613. But when that spirit of truth shall come he will teach you all truth k Iohn 17.9.11 ●aske not for the world but for those whome thou hast giuē me c. holy Father keepe them in thy name whome thou hast giuen me c. I do not aske for these onlie but for those also which shall beleeue in me by their word l Iohn 14.26 The holy Ghost whome the Father will send in my name he shal teach you all thinges m Mat. 28 20. And behold I am with you all dayes euen to the comsummation of the world n Tim. 3.15 The Church of the liuing God is a piller and fountion of truh o Luc. 1 3● There shal be no end of his kingdome Heere wee must confesse either that these thinges shal be performed hereafter or haue bine already or god is to be accused of alye If you answere that they haue bine performed I demaund when yf you say in the Apostles tyme I demaund how it chauceth that neither then the knowledg of God true religion was altogether perfit and afterwardes in so short aspace vanished away which was promised to be eternall so aboundant that it should sucke the milk of other natiōs that the sound or doctrine thereof should spread vnto all partes of the erath as indeed you all say earnestly maintayne the Messias which should plant this Church according to you is not yet come and consequenly our Sauiout was not the true Messias but that our Sauiour was the true Messias and did once plant his true Church you deny not that this Church cannot erre I haue proued that it hath not
the yeare of our Lord 430 the Catholickes of our tyme against the Syrene inchantments of all perswading nouelists notwithstanding their colourable reuerence of Scripture so frequently by them alledged in defence of their innouations to the contrary This auncient father then saith of nouellistes n lib. aduer haer Paulo post initium after the edition thereof with Dionysius Areopagita his workes printed at Lyōs 1572. pag. 660. 661. 662. what doe they promise but a new and vnknowne doctrine for thou maist heere some say come yee foolish and miserable whoe are commonly called Catholickes learne yet the true faith which no man vnderstandeth but wee which hath lien hid this many ages but now of late is reuealed and made manifest c. are not these the wordes of that harlote And a little after he premonisheth to the contrarie saying keepe the depositum or pledge what depositū that is that which is committed vnto thee not what is inuented by thee what thou hast receaued not what thou hast excogitated a thing not of witt but of learning not of priuate vsurpation but of publicke tradition And againe o this is as it were solemne and lawfull withal heresies alwayes to reioyce at Prophane nouelties and abhorre knowne antiquitie but on the contrary this is almost proper to Catholikes to keepe the sayinges and writinges of the holy fathers to condemne prophane nouelties c Also hee saith p Ibidem heere perchaunce some man will ask whether heretiques doe vse the diuine testimonies of scripture yea certeinly they vse them and that vehemently for thou maist see them fly through euery leaf of the holy law c. they doe neuer almost bring any thing of their owne but they labour to shadowe it with the wordes of scripture but they are so much the more to be feared and taken heede of And againe but if some man should ●●tean q Ibidem pag. 975. and after the other edition c. 37. heretique which do h persuade him to such thinges how dust thou proue it vpon what grounde doe you teach it that I ought to foresake the vniuersall and auncient faith of the catholicke Church presentlie he answereth it is written and forthwith bringeth a thousand testimonies a thousand examples and a thousand authorities from the law the Apostles Prophets c. THE 15. ARTICLE The visible head of the Church c. SCRIPTVRE a Deut. 17.12 HEe that will not obey the commaund of the priest let him dy by the decree of the iudge b Matt. 16.18.19 Thou arte Peter and vpon this rocke will I build my church c. and I will giue vnto thee the keyes of the kingdome of heauen c. c Luc. 22 2● I haue prayed for thee that thy faith faill not and thou being conuerted confirme thy brethren d Iohn 21 1● Feed my lambes feed my sheepe e Act. 2.14 Peter standing with the eleuen lifted vp his voice and said vnto them c. vpon this place S. Chrysostomo saith thus how doth hee regard the flocke committed vnto him by Christ what a prince is he in this societie euery where he beginneth first the speake and Iohn euery where holdeth his peace But Peter giueth account for him also FATHERS The first therfore of the Greekes is Origen for Dionysius Clement Anacletus and such like Bishops of Rome I omitt because our aduersaries do not admit them who liued anno 230. and saith f in cap. 6. ad Rom. Although the whole care of feeding the sheepe was committed to Peter and the church was founded vpon him as vpon the ground yet there was no confession of any vertue exacted of him saue only of charitie Eusebius anno 330. saith g M. Chronico 44 yeare of the birth of our Sauiour The Apostle Peter borne in the countrey of Galile And first high priest of the Christians where wee are to obserue the difference which Eusebius putteth betweene Peter and the Bishops of other Citties for of Peter he doth not say the first Bishop of the Romans as he saith in the same place of Iames The first Bishop of Hierusalem ordayned by the Apostles was Iames the brother of our Lord. And of Euodius he saith Euodius was ordayned first Bishope of Antioch Hee speaketh not so of Peter but cals him the first high priest of the Christians And againe he calleth Peter h lib. 2. hist c. 14. the most approued and greatest of all the Apostles prince of the chiefe Apostles and captaine and and Master of the armie of God What other meaning can it beare to be captaine of the army of God then to be heade of the church militant S. Basil anno 380. speaking of Peter saith i Serm. de iudicio Del. he is blessed what was placed in authoritie ouer the rest of the Disciples and to whome the keyes of the kingdome of heauen were committed c. k de moderatione in disputationibus seruanda S. Gregory Nazianzen shewing that there must be an order in all thinges taketh an argument from the Apostles whoe although they were all great yet they had one chief ouer all saith he you see how amongst the disciples of Christ all of thē indeed being great and of high degree and worthy election this mā was called the Rocke and had the foundations of the church committed to his charge and the rest of the disciples were content to be his inferiours S. Epiphamus Anno 390 saith k he res 51. He chose Peter to be the captayne of his Disciples And againe l in Ancorato this is he to whome it was said feed thou my lambes to whome the sheepfold was committed Cyrillus Hierosom anno 350. m Catech. 2. calleth Peter the most excellent Prince of the Apostles n lib. 12 in Ioannem cap 64 in Thes●●ro si D Thomae credimus ●●n opusculo con●rra Graecos Cyrillus Alexand. anno 4●0 saith how the Prince and head of the rest first crieth out thou arte Christ the sonne of the liuing God And againe As Christ saith he receaued the scepter of the Gentiles church from his father going forth leader of Israel ouer all principallitie and power ouer all whatsoeuer it be that a uery thing might be subiect vnto him so did he committ fully and wholy vnto Peter and his successours Christ gaue that which was his owne to no other but to Peter himself only S. Chrysostome saith o hom 11. in matth he ordayned Peter to be the Pastour of the church which was to be And a little beneath God can only graunt that the Church which is to be notwithstandnig so many so great waues rushing out with their force one auery side do remaine immoueabl● whose pastour and head behold the name of head vnheard of with Caluin is a fishermā of meane degree And a little beneath The father did put Hieremie over one people p hom vlt. in Ioānem but Christ
saith of vs they indeed set forth their Churches very gloriously c. they report out of Irenaeus sect 3. Tertullian Origen Augustine and others how highly they esteemed this succession Considering saith he it was a matter out of all doubt that from the beginnig euen vntill that tyme nothing was changed in doctrine the foresaid holy Doctors tooke in argument that which was sufficient for the ouer throwing of all new errours to witt In his institutions in frēch printed at Geneua by Conradus ●adius anno 2562. that they viz. heretickes oppugned the doctrine which euen from the very Apostles thēselues had bine inuiolable and with one cōsent retayned Againe It was a thing notorious saith he with out doubt that after the Apostles age vntill those forsaid tymes no chaung was made ●n Doctrine neither in Rome nor many other citties So plainly do our learned aduersaries cōfesse that no chāg of faith was made by the Roman church from the Apostles age vnto the tymes after S. Austine c. being as I said 400. yeeres after Christ To proue that to charge heretickes with the succession of Roman Bishops meintayning alwayes one and the same faith was the practise and custome of those auncient Fathers is a labour saued being already so liberally confessed but for better satisfaction receaue this one saying of S. Hierome in Apolog. 2 Adu Ruffinum demaunding of Ruffinus saying how doth he call his faith that which the Roman church teacheth if he answere the Roman then wee are Catholickes The church being thus acknowledged to haue continued the first 400. yeares after Christ in all purity it shal be easie to proue that from thence vnto the six hundreth yeere the tyme when the Roman church should fall the same doctrine was lykewise continued and so receaued by Gregory the first then Pope of Rome and by him brought and receaued by vs and vnto this day still retayned This I say is made euident by our learned aduersaries hauing already confessed that sundry euen of the chiefest articles of our faith as the Reale presence sacrifice freewill c. as is already in particuler handled so to conclude where as they say the church of Rome fell but they cannot tell when is very absurd when as yet ther was neuer any other heresie or memorable acte whatsoeuer either ecclesiasticall or temporall but they cā decypher all circumstances as the dissent of the Greeke church from the Roman but not the Roman from the primitiue Vincentius Lyrinensis saith l. Aduer haer cap. 34. certenly there was neuer yet any heresie but it was knowne to be gine vnder some certeyn name in a certeyn place and at a certeyn tyme in his consider of Papistes supplications pag 43. But for the Roman Catholicke religion now professed M. Powell saith he cannot tell by whome or at what tyme the enemy did sow it THE 46. ARTICLE The Catholicke or Roman faith novv taught is acknovvledged by protestantes for sufficient vnto saluation 〈◊〉 2. 〈◊〉 ●●7 〈…〉 in his epist printed ouer 〈…〉 5● M. Baro in his 4. sermōs and 2. questions d●puted ad clorū c. Ser 3 p. 44. M. Hooker l. 5 de eccles Pol. pag. 111. 130. M. Bunny in his treatise of pacification 〈◊〉 18. pag. 109. and 113. M D Some as he is cyted pag. 164 182. 17● A Protestant preacher preaching at Peterborrovv at the funerall of one who dyed a professed Papist viz the Queene of Scotts he prayed that his soule and the soules of all there present might be with the soule of the Dead Papist M. D. Baro. saith I dare not deny the name of Christians to the Romanists sith the more learned w●yter do acknowledge the church of Rome to be the church of God M. Hooker saith The church of Rome is to be reputed a part of the h●wse of God a lymne of the visible church of Christ Yea wee gladly acknowledge them to be of the family of Iesus Christ M Bunny lykewise saith of Catholickes and protestantes neither of vs saith he may iustly accompt the other to be none of the church of God yea wee are no seuerall church from them nor they from vs. M D. Some in his defence against M. Pen●y the Puritan and ref●tation of many absurdities c. in M P●n● treatise saith The Papists are not altogether aliens from Gods couenant as I haue shewed before for in the iudgment of all learned men and all ●e●ormed churches there is in Popery a church a ministery a true Christ c. if you thinke saith he that all the Popish sort which died in the Popish church are damned you thinke absurdly and dissent from the iudgment of the learned protestantes M. D. Field saith wee doubt not but the church M. D Field de Eccles lib 3. cap. 46. line pag. 182. wherin the Bishop of Rome with more then Lucifer lyke pryde exalted himself was notwithstanding the true church of Christ that it held a sauing profession of the truth in Christ and by force or vertue thereof did conuert many from errour c. M. D. M. Morton in his treatise of the kingdome of Israel and of the church pag● 94. Peter Mar. in his epist annexed to his cōm places in English pag. 153. M. D. Couell as he is cy●●d pag 77 Thomas Morton affirmeth in expresse wordes that Papistes are to be accounted of the church of God because saith he they hold the foundation of ths ghospell which is faith in Christ Iesus the sonne of God and Sauiour of the world Peter Martyr desired at the conference had at Poysy betvvene the Catholickes and the protestantes that they should not for diuersity of opinion breake brotherly charity or call one the other heretickes Lastly M. D. Couell in his defence of M. Hookers fiue bookes of Ecclesiasticall Policy published by authority dedicated to the Lord Archbishop of Canterbury defendeth this opinion at large and concludeth saying wee affirme that they of the church of Rome are a part of the church of Christ and that such as liue and dye in that church may not withstāding be saued pag. 61. In so much as he doubteth not to charge the Puritans with ignorance for their contrary opinion THE 47. ARTICLE A testimonie from the enemie is of greatest accompt FOr as much as our learned aduersaries do affirme that it is a great peece of worke to conuince the aduersary from himself for a more full satisfaction wee thinke it not a misse to make vse of this argument also de Eccles l. 3 c 47. initio pag. 182. M. D. Field therfore saith The next note wherby Bellarmine endeauoreth to proue the Romish sinagogue to be the true church of God is our owne confession Surely if he can proue that wee confesse it to be the church he needeth not vse any other argumentes de Eccles controu 2. quaest 5. cap 24. pag. 366. M. D. Whitaker saith the argument must
such Miracles fol 251. 43 Our Aduersaries opposing Fathers against Fathers answeared fol. 255. 44 Our Aduersaries generall abiuring the fathers and condemning their Doctrine fol. 257. 45 The continuall Puritie of the Roman church acknowledged by our Aduersaries fol. 261. 46 The Catho of Rom. faith now taught is acknowledged by 47 Protestantes for sufficient vnto saluation 264. 48 A Testimonie from the enemye is of greatest accompt fol. 165. 49 Of the Puritie or rather arrogancie of the church of England fol. 266. 40 Of Heretickes impudencie fol. 268. 51 Heretiques Raylinges one against an other fol. 274. The Deathes of Luther Zuinglius and Caluin 181. To confirme these articles I will vse this triple probation Scripture the fathers or Doctors of the primitiue Church and Confession of the Aduersarie himself And to the end it may be the more euident that the Protestant religion is no other then a brainsicke inuention composed of old condemned heresies and also that you may see how repugnant your new reformers Luther and Caluin are in Doctrine to the primitiue church I haue vnder euery chiefe article adioyned their doctrine with the old condemned heresie from whence they deriue it Also for your better satisfaction I haue heere next following placed a true Catologue of the Pops of Rome and Doctours of the Catholicke church which may certifie you the age and tyme when thinges were done soe that to Say the Doctours of the church or church did erre is friuolous for choose your tyme wherin you would haue it to be most pure yea euen whilst the Apostles themselues liued you shall heere find it proued both by the Doctours and whole church of that age and likewyse by the confession of the chief and most learned ministers you haue had that the Romane faith now taught was the same with that then generally held in Gods church for the true Apostolike faith But that my oyle be not all in waste read with humility and prayer that God would assist you for S. Paul saith 1. Cor. 3.6 Iac. 1.6 Matt. 7.7 I planted Apollo vvatered but God gaue the increase And S. Iames saith God giueth aboundantly to all yea our Sauiour himself bideth you aske and if shal be giuen you wherfore there only resteth on your part that you aske with all sinceritie and puritie of hart not drawen away or led with any preiudicate opinion or Sinister respect This S Iames craueth of you where he bideth you aske in saith nothing doubting That is with a feruent desire and true zeal of the knowledge of God and his seruice ready to imbrace and preferre it before all the world A true catalogue of the Pops of Rome Matth. 16.18 c. And I say vnto thee because thou art Peter and vpon this roke will I buyld my Church and the gates of hell shall not preuail against her and I will giue thee the keyes of the kingdome of heauen and what soeuer thou shalt bind one earth shalhe bound in heauen and what soeuer thou shalt loose one earth shal be loosed in heauen order yeeres of Christ gouerned yeeres montes days 1 44 S. Peter Apostle and Martyr 24 5 2 2 57 S. Linus Martyr Peter yet liueing 11 2 12 3 68 S. Clement Mart. the first after the 9 3 26     Death of saint Peter   4   4 77 S. Cletus Martyr 6 5   5 84 S. Anacletus Martyr 12 2 17 6 97 S. Euaristus Martyr 13 3 7 106 S. Alexander Martyr 7 5 19 8 117 S. Sixtus Martyr 9 10 9 9 127 S. Telesphorus Martyr 11 8 8 10 139 S Higinius Martyr 4 11 143 S. Pius I. Martyr 11 5 15 12 154 S. Anicetus Martyr 8 8 14 13 161 S. Soter Martyr 7 11 18 14 173 S. Eleutherius Mart. England 2. conuerted 15 13 15 186. S. Victor I Martyr 12 1 28 16 198. S. Zepherinus Martyr 10 17 17 218. S. Calixtus I Martyr 6 1 13 18 224. S. Vrban Martyr 7 7 5 19 232. S. Pontianus Martyr 5 5 2 20 236. S. Antherus Martyr 1 14 21 2●7 S. Fabian Martyr 14 4 22 251 S. Cornelius Martyr 2 5 29 23 253. S. Lucius Martyr 1 4 14 24 255. S Stephan I. Martyr 3 3 24 25 258. S. Sixtus II. Martyr 1 11 3 26 260. S Dionysius I. Martyr 9 4 5 27 270 S. Foelix Martyr 4 5 28 274 S. Eutichian Martyr 9 6 9 29 283. S. Caius Martyr 12 4 6 30 295 S. Marcellinus Martyr 7 11 19 31 304. S. Marcellus I. Martyr 4 6 21 32 308. S. Eusebius Martyr 2 7 27 33 310. S. Melchiades Martyr 3 2 34 314. S. Syluester I. 21 4 35 336. S. Marke 8 22 36 336. S. Iulius 14 -5 19 37 351. S Liberius 15 10 18 38 373. S. Damasus 16 2 10 39 38● S. Siticius 15 1 10 40 398. S. Anastasius 4 1 13 41 402. S. Innocent 15 2 10 42 417. S. Zozumus 2 4 7 43 420. S. Boniface I. 3 9 28 44 423. S. Caelestinus I. 8 5 3 45 432. S. Sixtus 3. 7 11 46 440. S. Leo the Great 20 11 2 47 461 S. Hilarie 6 3 9 48 467. S. Simplicius 14 6 14 49 482 S. Faelix II. 11 11 18 50 494 S. Gelasius 2 8 26 51 496 S. Anastasius II. 1 11 12 52 498 S. Simmachus 15 7 16 53 514 S. Hormisda 9 11 54 523 S. Iohn I. 2 9 14 55 526 S. Faelix III. 4 2 18 56 530 Boniface II. 1 2 57 532 Iohn II. 2 4 6 58 534 S. Agapetus 1 1 59 535 S. Siluerius 1 5 12 60 537 Vigilius 17 16 26 61 555 S. Pelagius 9 10 28 62 566 S. Iohn III. 10 15 63 577 S. Benedict I. 3 2 15 64 580 S. Pelagius II. 9 2 20 65 590 S. Gregorie the Great 1 6 8 66 604 Sabinian 13 5 9 67 60● S. Boniface III. 1 2 28 68 608 S. Boniface IV. 6 8 13 69 614 S. Deusdedit 3 23 70 6●8 S. Bonifice V. 3 9 19 71 622 Honorius I. 1 3 17 72 635 Seuerinus 1 4 73 638 Iohn IV. 1 9 16 74 640 S. Theodorus 6 5 18 75 647 S. Martine I. Martyr 6 1 26 76 653 Eugenius 2 9 ●4 77 657 Vitilianus 14 5 18 78 672 Adeodatus 4 2 5 79 676 Domino I. 2 5 10 80 679 Agatho 3 9 4 81 682 S. Leo. II. 10 17 72 684 S. Benedict II. 10 17 83 685 Iohn V. 1 9 84 686 Cuno 11 3 85 607 Sergius I. 13 8 3 86 701 Iohn VI. 3 2 13 87 703 Iohn VII 2 3 17 88 703 Sisinnius 20 89 717 Constantine 7 1 21 90 735 Gregorie II. 15 10 21 91 741 Gregorie III. 10 8 10 92 751 Zacharie I. 10 3 9 93 752 Stephen II. 3 94 752 Stephen III. 5 29 95 767 Paul I. 10 1 96 778 Stephen IV. 3 5 27 97 76● Adrian I. 13 10 17 98 716 Leo. III. 20 5 18 99 716 Stephen V. 6 24 100 817 Paschal 7 3 17 101 824 Eugenius II. 3 6 ●4 10● 827
the whole church was committed to blessed S. Peter prince of all the Apostles And a little beneath Behold he hath receaued the keyes of the kingdome of heauen power of binding and losing is giuen to him the care of the whole church and principality is committed to him S. Bede saith m homil in vigilla S. Andre● in illud intuitus eum c Ioan. 142. He saw the simplicitie of his hart he saw the courage of his mynd by whose merit he was to be placed ouer euery church And againe n And homil in s●●●o Petri Pauli anno 720. therfore saith he S. Peter who confessed Christ with true faith affected him with true loue and receaued especially the keyes of the kingdome of heauen and principallitie of iudiciall power that all belieuers in the world may vnderstand that whosoeuer doth separate himself after any manner from that vnitie of faith and societie of his he can neither be absolued from the bonds of his sinnes nor enter the gate of the kingdome of heauen S. Bernard saith o epist ●●7 ad Eugenium The place wherin thou standest is holy ground it is Peters place the place of the prince of the Apostles where his feete stood it is his place whome our Lord cōstituted master of his howse and prince of all his possession And againe p lib 2 de consideret speaking of Peter Ano. 1140. going like our Lord vpon the sea he did manifest himself the only vicar of Christ who ought not to be ouer one people but ouer all euē as there are many waters many people These sower and twentie testimonies of the fathers as the sower and twentie voices of the elders in the Apocalypse do euidently demonstrate the consent of the primatiue Church as wel the Greeke as the Latine to which nothing certenly can be answeared other wise thē Luther and Caluin say of Leo Pope they suffered humane thinges were deceaued werfore to make it if possible yet more plaine se● heere the Aduersaire THE ADVERSARIE Caluin alledged in M. vvhitgiftes defence saith q pag. 173. The twelue Apostles had one amongst them to gouerne the rest Musculus saith r Ibid. 469. Peter is said in many places to haue bene chiefe a monge the rest which wee deny not M. vvhitgift saith ſ Ibid pag. 375. Amonge the Apostles them selues there was one chief c. that had chiefe authoritie ouer the rest c. that schismes might be composed t pag. 595. pag. 62. 63. 65. 68. 70. And againe In somuch as he doubteth not to answere certayne places of scripture obiected by our Aduersaries against Peters Primary M. Fulke speaking of Leo and Gregory Bishops of Rome the first about anno 450. the other about anno 600. saith v in his Retentiue against Bristowes motiues c. pag. 248. the mysterie of iniquitie hauing wrought in that seat of Rome neer fiue or six hūdreth yeares before them so longe before them did the Romane Sea beginne to be Papall and then greatly encreased they were so deceaued with long continuance of errour that they thought the dignity of Peter was much moreouer the rest of his fellow Apostles then the holy scriptures of God do allow x Cent. 4. col 1215. l. 2 col 555 l ●0 col 558. l. 54 Cent. 3. col 84. l. 75 59. Col. 85. l. 3. The fathers for affirming the church to be built vpon Peter namely S. Hierome H●●ary Nazianzen Tertullian Cyprian Origē are reprehēded by the Centuristes Caluin saith y Instit l. 4. cap. 6. sect The church is founded in Peter because it is said vpon this Rocke c. as many of the Fathers expound it but the whole scripture is against it c. z Cent. 6. col 58. a line 2. The fathers doubted not publickly to celebrate a yearly festiuall day in honour of S. Peters Sea which respect no other Sea euer had whervnto Danaeus answearing affirmeth the Fathers assertions to be the iudgments and testimonies of the church then corrupted and bewitched or made blynd with this errour b in his examē c. against the plea of the innocent printed ● bol pag. 10. b. and 107. M D. Couell hauing spoken of one aboue the a n resp ad Bellar. disp part 1. pag. 275. rest to suppresse the seedes of dissention saith to the Puritanes If this were the principall meanes to preuent schi●mes and dissentions in the primitiue church when the graces of God were farre more aboundant and eminent then they now are Nay if the twelue were not like to agree except there had bine one chiese among them for so saith Hierome amōge the twelue one was therefore chosen that a chief or head being appoynted occasion of dissention might be preuented c how can they thinke that equallity would keepe all the pastours in the world in peace and vnitie c. for in all societies authoritie which cannot be where all are equall must procure vnitie and obedience Also he saith c pag. 10. b. that it was not to cease with the Apostles these hee Melanchthon saith from the opinion of him self and other his brethren d in the booke intituled Centuria ep● Theolog c. epist 74. que est Melancthonis ● As certayne Bishops are president ouer many churches so the Bishop of Rome is president ouer all Bishops and this canonicall pollicy no wyse man as I think doth or ought to disallow c. for the monarchy of the Bishop of Rome is in my opiniō profitable to this end that consent of Doctrine may be retayned wherfore an agreement may easily be established in his article of the Popes Primacy if other pointes could be agreed vpon These hee Luther himself saith e in loc commun class 1. cap. 37. for as much as God would haue one true Catholicke church through the whole world it was necessarie there should be some one people yea some one father of that one people chosen vnto whome and his posteritie the whole world might haue recourse and become one sheepfold so that of all nations and of infinite diuers manners yet there might be made one church f Pag 470. 471. For the confessed gouerment of Bishops and Archbishops in all ages since the Apostles tymes see M. Whitgiftes defence M. Cartwryght saith g in his 2. reply part 1 p. 582. yf an Archbishop be necessarie for the calling of a prounciall councell when Bishops are deuided it is necessarie there be also a Pope which may call a generall councell when diuision is betweene Archbishops for when the churches of one prouince be deuided from others as you aske me so I aske you whoe shall assemble them together whoe shall admonish them of their duties when they are assembled yf you can find away how this may be done without a Pope the way is also found wherby the church may be disburdenned of the Archbishop Likewise the councell of