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A96507 Truths triumph, or Treachery anatomized, being an impartiall discovery of the false, and treacherous information of M. Masterson, pretended minister of Christ at Shoreditch, against L.C.J. Lilburne, and I. Wildman, at the Lords Barre, January 18. 1647. concerning a meeting of severall honest men, in East Smithfield, Ian. 17. &c. In relation to which information, the said L.C. Lilburne stands committed to the Tower, and J. Wildman to the Fleet. With a true narrative of all the passages and discourses that passed at the said meeting, / as it was delivered at the Bar of the House of Commons, by J. Wildman, Ian. 19. 1647. Iohn VVildman. Wildman, John, Sir, 1621?-1693. 1648 (1648) Wing W2173; Thomason E520_33; ESTC R206186 24,304 20

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the Lords Sons shall have either so much wisedom or honesty as to be fi● Subjects of any power much lesse of that supream trust of the Lawgiving power And as to the evills that have ensued upon the Lords exercise of that Law giving power I spake my opinion as freely I told them that in reason their claim to that power was the occasion of all the innocent blood that hath been split in England Jf the Ordinance in Feb. 1642. for setling the Militia of the kingdome had been put in execution when it was first sent up to the Lords for their concurrence the King could never have raised an Army but their assuming to themselves a power co-ordinate with this Honourable House and then refusing when this Honourable House sent againe and againe and againe to passe that Ordinance thes etheir delayes and preventions of setling the Militia gave both time and opportunity to the King to raise an Army and then this Honourable House was compelled for the peoples defence to raise an Armie also and ingage in war I might have added that the Lords did never then consent to that Ordinance untill See 1 part book Decl. pag. 364 548. Mr. Hollis demanded in a manner the names of those Lords at the barre which would not concurre and desired that those Lords which would joyne with the Commons to save the Kingdome would take some course to discover themselves and also shewed them a Petition to the Commons desiring that such Lords would sit and vote with them as one intire c Body But this I did adde that we had most sad experience now of late of the dangerous consequence of their claime to that Power they exposed the Kingdome againe to Bloud and Confusion by delaying so long to passe those gallant Votes of this Honourable house against the King by that meanes the people which are discontented at those Votes have time to ruminate and chew upon their discontents and the fire of their displeasure hath time to kindle and no man knowes into what flames it may breake forth and therefore I conceive there is no possible meanes to preserve the Nation from ruine unlesse there be speedy acting and proceedings according to the good beginnings of this Honourable House Some other discourse happened accidentally about the reasons of that suddaine Change which appeared in Lieut. Generall Cromwell and Commissary Generall Ireton that they now declare against any addresses to be made to the King or received from him whereas they have pleaded That they were engaged to preserve the Kings person and establish him in his just Power Hereupon a story was related by a Gentleman at the Meeting to which I was an auditor he said he had credible information that a gallant honest Gentleman of the House of Commons whose father was a Knight had certaine intelligence That the King had promised Lieutenant Generall Cromwell to give a blue Ribband and a George and make him Earle of Essex And that Commissary Ireton should be either Field-Marshall or some such great Officer in Ireland and that his owne Son should be Bod-chamber man to the Prince And hereupon his Spirit was so moved that hee resolved he would rather become another Felton to Cromwell then suffer his Country to be betrayed and all honest men destroyed And that he had prepared himselfe with Pistoll and Dagger for that purpose onely hee revealed his mind to another Member of the Commons House which disswaded him from attempting the execution of his purpose and that Lieutenant Generall Cromwell had intelligence of this and presently a Fast or day of Humiliation was called and so the great change ensued After this I spake my thoughts to this effect That I knew not what influence any such Circumstances might have upon the spirit of Lieutenant Generall Cromwell but I rather conceived that the change was upon this occasion viz. That the Presbyterian Scots considering that Lieutenant Generall Cromwell was no friend to them and that the King was possessed with deadly hatred against them and having intelligence that the King relyed upon the Lieutenant Generall to make his termes for him with this Honourable house and well weighing the danger to which they were exposed by two such potent Enemies or rather one such impla●able opposer backed with a potent Army were inforced in respect to their owne preservation to attempt the breaking of that designe and prevent the Kings comming in upon the Armies or Lieutenant Generall his interest thereupon though they were no reall Friends to the Kings negative voyce or to his pretended right to the Militia and would not allow the King in their owne Kingdome a negative voyce to their Lawes in the least Punctilio nor the least shadow of Power in disposing of their Militia yet a necessity was upon them to out-bid Lieutenant Gen. Cromwell and to offer both a Negative voyce and a Militia to the King in this Kingdome That so the King might be induced to cast himselfe upon them and presume to come in upon their interest hereupon the King as hee said at Ouburne accepted his best bargaine and tooke their proffer who bad most for him and then the tenders of the Lieutenant Generall being rejected hee was necessitated to ingage with this Honourable house in those Votes that there should neither any addresses be made further to him nor any received from him And when I consider how zealously Commissary Generall Ireton hath formerly endeavoured the renewing addresses unto the King and that there should be another manner of addresse made to him then was by the Proposions sent to Newcastle and when hee was reflected upon by some of the Generall Councell at Putney as having occasioned the sence of the Army to be misrepresented to this Honourable house viz. That it desired a new addresse to be made to the King hee professed that if he did not thinke it to be the sence of the Army hee would loath and abhorre the Army and detest to continue with them for a day When I consider these things and mind that the same Gentleman should be the first or second man in this Honourable house which should move that no more addresses should be made to or received from the King I cannot imagine that this so great a turne should be upon any other then a private interest After this one at the meeting moved a Question viz. Whether it be not needfull to frame something speedily to present to the Parliament to incourage them to proceed according to those good Votes against the King late passed the rather because the large Petition will be a long time before it be presented Unto this I answered That I conceived the large Petition contained those Principles upon which this Honourable house must proceed in case those late Votes be prosecuted and doubtlesse that Petition is knowne to be abroad by every active Member of this Honourable house and in case the people shall freely joyne in that Petition it will more