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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A88266	An vnhappy game at Scotch and English. Or A full answer from England to the papers of Scotland. Wherein their Scotch mists and their fogs; their sayings and gaine-sayings; their juglings, their windings and turnings; hither and thither, backwards and forwards, and forwards & backwards again; their breach of Covenant, Articles, & treaty, their King-craft present design, against the two houses of Parliament, & people of England, their plots and intents for usurpation and government over us and our children detected, discovered, and presented to the view of the world, as a dreadfull omen, all-arme, and warning to the kingdome of England.	Lilburne, John, 1614?-1657,; Overton, Richard, fl. 1646,	1646 (1646)	Wing L2195; Thomason E364_3; ESTC R201238	23,817	28

so to be possessed and deluded But further in the said pag. you say because you came into England for prosecuting of the ends of the Covenant whereof one is to defend His Majesties person you thinke it a strange thing that your being in England should be urged as an argument why you should deliver up the person of the King to be disposed of as the two Houses should thinke fit Ans For the matter of your being in England we shall for the present referre you to Mr. Chalenros speech and only consider the reason of this clause which we conceive to be on this wise that because you are by the Covenant bound to defend His Majesties person that therefore you will not deliver up his person to be disposed of as the two Houses shall think fit which is as much as to say because you are to defend his person that therefore the two Houses of Parliament are his enemies which manner of reasoning is as if we should say because ther were dayly seecret whisperings and wishings at our Queens Court in France that the King might but get safe to the Scotts and because the day of his setting forth out of Oxford towards them was fore-known at her Court That therefore Sehrant the French agent ran up into the Earle of Northumberlands Bed-Chamber in the morning before he was up and surreptitiously surprised in his Chamber window a packet of Letters inclosed in a blanke paper superscribed forsooth for their better conveyance to the Earle and breake the same open and said they were his and so the one peep'd at the other and saw one another and away hied Sebrant as fast as he could and carryed with him the whole plat-forme of your you know what Now Brethren how like you your owne kind of reasoning Is not this a prittie kind of Argument thinke you neatly formed after that most hallowed pattern received from the Angel at Le font bl●u And therefore seeing our Brethren have so far discharged their trust as after all their Protestations Covenants and Oaths to Almighty God their Solemne League and Treaty with their Neighbour Nation of England thus in the field to meet us in this free and brotherly conference with such Solemn Covenant-Logick we may have doubtless great boldness confidence with our dear brethren of Scotland to pay them in their owne coyne for current and good Silver especially considering whose Image and superscription it be●reth So that upon the point we wish it be not of the sword we are agreed with our gude Lord Loudoun to give unto Caesar the things that are Caesars c pag 26. But now since our brethren take upon them in their armies to defend his person we desire of our deare brethren to tell u● against whom is this their defence If against us and our armies then we●e●ly that if your Covenant now bind you thereto then why did you not by this Covenant joyne armies with them before in all his H●●●i●ity against the two Houses for by our s●●●tility his person was endangered and subject to the ca●u●●ity and execution of warre himselfe in person and in armes appearing against ●u●● Scotch Papers Pag. 9 And whereas it is affirmed by the Treaty the Scotch Armie ought to doe nothing without a joynt resolution of both Kingmdomes or their Committees there is no such clause in the Treaty but they are to be subject to such resolutions as are and shall be agreed upon and concluded mutually between the Kingdomes and their Committees Ans By thit we may see how willing our brethren are to get a creep hole and how they shufle and cut to strugle themselves out of the Btyers But gude brother Jockie be content to stick here a while for if to their Resolutions as you say you must be subject then you must not be subject to that which is contrary to their resolutions But your armies retaining of his person is contrary to the joynt advice and consent of both Kingdomes for as yet both parties are not agreed Therefore this is a manifest breach of the Treaty so that if you wou'd have done as becommeth brethren you should have stayed first to have heard the joynt advice or consent of both Kingdomes before you had given him entertainment For indeed had there not been mischiefe designed in the thing and intended against this Kingdome the King knowing the mutuall obligation and solemne Vnion betwixt the two Kingdomes and the mutuall relation he had to them both and each mutually to him would if he had intended to lay down armes against this Kingdome rather in this emergency of War have dsiposed of his person honoured by both Kingdomes with the title of the King of both Kingdomes to the Committee of both Kingdomes wherein the joynt military interest of both Kingdomes is represented conferd and united and both thereby incorporated into one deputative body and as it were both made flesh of each others flesh and bone of each others bone that so in that one act and at one time both Kingdomes equaliy and respectively would have received their King of each Kingdome though presented in one person even England and Scotland have received and kept the King of England and the King of Scotland in that their entertainment of his person for the bet●er disposall thereof by the Parliaments and Estates of both Kingdoms being conquered by the mutuall force conjunction of their armies for then neither Parliament Kingdome nor Armie had acted singly or divided but it would been absolutely an act of both Kingdomes This we say he rather would have done then in this factions divided neture to have thrown himselfe upon one Kingdome unknown to the other and without the others advice and consent had it not been on set purpose to have cast a bone of division betwixt them that both He and your selves by joynt occasioned faire opportunity might compasse your designes to subjugate the neckes of the Freemen of England to your Scotch Monarchicall Yoake of Bondage in gendering strife And you your selves had your intentions to wards us been upright should rather have referred him to the said Committee of both Kingdomes then thus to have attempted the receivall of him by your own millitary power which was a desperate thing however in case unawares he were received yet you might ere this knowing the mutuall and joynt interest of the two Kingdomes so well as you doe and seeing it raiseth-such jealousies and is likely to occasion such a desperate and bloody division betwixt us you might ere this have delivered or at least proposed the resignment of His person if not to the two Houses yet to the custody of the said Committee to whom indeed naturally and properly as the case now standes betwixt the two Kingdomes he belongeth no joynt power of the two Kingdomes but that being extant to be by them retained till the joynt consent and determination of both Kingdomes You tell us that at the hearing of the

infirmities or of one anothers burthens but in stead of a brotherly easing this is a ●unfriendly oppressing besides the great standell it casteth upon your brother Nation of England as it the Parliament and People thereof were so unfaithfull unnaturall and false hearted not to be trusted upon their faith and honour with their brethren of Scotland with whom there is such obligations of unity and brother-hood for the palment of the said sum of money with their utmost expedition doubtlesse we should never have been so ungratefull and unfaithfull with our brethren as to have dealt unjustly with them therein But ●e are afraid that this money demand was but a forraign invention to catch us upon the lurch supposing by reason of the unreasonablenesse of the matter and the invasive manner thereof the two Houses would not assent thereunto and so by such meanacing provoking rearmes as the detaining of our Garrisons under the pretence of acquiring reasonable satisfaction to pick a quarrel with us or else you would not the●s have demanded the same upon such high provokating termes nor detaining of our Garrisons Castles Countries c. for to deliver them unto us you will not till you have money Yea you tell us that if the 5000. l. at Nottingham already accounted unto you with some other competent portion of money be not sent unto your Armie you 〈◊〉 be forced forsooth to enlarge your Quarters for the ease of the countrie so that we plainly see by this liberty of enlargement which you usurp unto your selves 〈◊〉 you intend that your inlargement of your Quarters shall be as large as our Bo●●● in the case of procrastination and all under the colout for sooth of easing the Country Indeed brethren by that meanes you would ease us of all But if in your heart you be intended to ease us then why doe you not rather tell us that you will enlarge homewards to your owne native Country for that were indeed an easement this 〈◊〉 but a further inlargement of our burthen but we know your meaning by your g●p●●● Gude brethren doe not thus take advantage at your brethrens necessities as 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 brethren we tell you it doth not become you to deale thus unkindly with you brethren for it is an unnaturall unbrotherly part to make a prey of their extremi●●● Yet here is not all they say of this matter for they menacingly tell us that in case 〈◊〉 Thomas Fairfaxs Armie shall march Northwards that their Scottish Armie shall en●●● their Quarters Southward whereby they say it is easily to be seen that those Kingdomes may unhappily be againe embroyled in new ●●●d greater troubles then yet 〈◊〉 have been Now how can we judge this otherwise but as a shaking of the sword 〈◊〉 our heads a dare a threat even as much as to say to our Armies come Norwa●●●● you dare And if you doe we will advance Southward and then you may ex●●●● greater broyles and troubles then ever but brethren for the love of God and 〈◊〉 peace of the Kingdomes forbeare such threatning language for the future that 〈◊〉 may live together as brethren in love peace and tranquillity For brethren we 〈◊〉 assure you that evill words corrupts good manners tread on a worme and it will 〈◊〉 againe and surely Englishm●n have as much courage ●s wormes And now that you see that the two Houses have conditioned to your demands you enter into dispute with us about the disposall of the person of the King in such a manner as is not possibe in honour and justice for this Kingdome to accept off and you propose wayes and meanes of delayes and protraction of time as 〈…〉 commissioners againe unto the King in the name of both Kingdomes with power to 〈◊〉 his desires and the like when as indeed the matter belongeth to them joy●dy to ●●vise determine and conclude how they will dispose of him and what they will co●pell him to doe being conquered and fallen into their hands therefore sending 〈◊〉 or treating with him now is beside the matter in hand so that those various devi●● of yours give us great cause of suspition and jealousies of you that these are but wayes to beare us in hand for the better facilitation of your design But we should be glad to heare of your innocency of those things and should be willing 〈◊〉 judge better of our brethren but they must excuse us if we judge the tree by its 〈◊〉 and may rather blame themselves for bringing forth such fruit then us for 〈◊〉 judging when it is brought forth Therefore to remove all scruple end different from betwixt us we desire them to let their good workes so shine before men that we may iustly say that God is in them indeed and that they are our faithfull 〈◊〉 and friends who are resolved to live and dye with us in the better sense th●●gh●●● are now iustly afraid of the Worst FINIS Errata pag. 6. for you your selves read your selves p. 7. l 8. for 〈◊〉 consents r. and ousent p. 8. l. 10. for proceeding r. preceeding p. 9. for and treaties r. treaties and p. 6●2 for my Lord of Northumber land r. Genney with the wis● p. 6. in some 〈◊〉 for some of your armie r some Regiments in your armie Of these and mo●y other 〈◊〉 〈…〉 the Author desires the Readers favourable correction and construction

to the two houses of Parliament without the consent of the Kingdome of Scotland for if his voluntary comming be the reason of the one then his unvoluntary comming must needs be the reason of the other for as your own paper Champion saith contrariorum contraria sunt consequentia therefore hereby you have brought the consent of your own Parliament to be inferiour and subject to his will the which notwithstanding the said Champion told him they should be forced to settle things without in case he should not assent pag. 19. The which reasonings if they be not pro and con be you your selves Iudges and let the world judge whether it be fair dealing so to reason in a matter so neerely concerning the weale of the two Kingdomes the lives and states of thousands and ten thousands Scotch Papers Ibid The place of the Kings vesidence is at his own Election in either of the Kingdomes as the exigency of affaires shall require and he shall thinke fit or else must be determined by the mutuall advice and consent of both Kingdomes Ans What more fast and loose still Sometimes with your consent and sometimes without your consent sometimes with the joynt advice of both Kingdomes and sometimes without it sometimes with his personall will and sometimes without his personall will and now to make all indifferent What is the meaning of our brethren in this are they not in their witts thus to jumble and jump forward and backward and backward and forward againe and then to lye all along betwixt both For by this clause it seemes that the disposall of his person is indifferent either at his will or at the ioynt advice of the two Kingdomes Vtrum horum mavis accipe one of the twain chuse you whether so that if his person be either wise disposed yet by this clause it is justified the one as well as the other being asserted in that clause then againe to adde to the number of those jugling Husteron-Proteron trickes by the position of their order they make the will of the King predominant to the consent of the two Kingdomes for if by locall position we may judge of preheminence according to our nationall custome the greater to take the wall of the lesse then the will of the King is thereby preferred before the consent of the two Kingdomes for it hath the precedency therein How ever by that clause they are made of equallity for they are not urged by the way of disparity but by the way of equallity therein Therefore by that clause there is not a pin to chuse betwixt them So that which is first gone forth whether his will or the two Kingdomes consent that must stand irrevocable and not to be moved by the other for could it then were it as nothing a meere shadow without substance for then the absolute disposing were only in one because if one may depose what the other disposes then that which disposeth is all in all and the other hath no will vote choice or consent in the thing but is wholy dependant and must be subject to the power of the other which may conclude order revoake and reverse at its pleasure Therefore from this reasoning of our deare brethren it followes thus 1. That this present disposall of his person being as your selves say voluntary is irrevocable by either or both Kingdomes because his will for that disposall was first past forth which for that matter as is already proved by this present ground of yours is as unalterable as the Lawes of the Medes and Persians So that it is in vaine for the two Houses of England to expect a delivery of the King of England from the Scotish Armies for by this to make sure worke of his person they have put themselves out of a capacitie of his delivery upon any tearmes whatsoever And therefore we may bid our gude King gude morrow my Leige for all the day and for ever Amen Farewell frost if he never come more nothing is lost 2. If by the sentence and judgement of our dear brethren of Scotland the Kings personall disposall be at his owne Election and Will and so inherent therein then by the sentence and judgement of our deare brethren of Scotland the dislocation of the Kings person by his personall will all this while from the two Houses of Parliament of England is justified and our deare Brethren of Scotland thereby made confederate with him in that act and so consequently guilty of all the rebellion made by his personall will against the two Houses of Parliament and the People of England 3. If by the Argument of our deare brethren of Scotland the King according to the exegencie of affaires may dispose of his person at his pleasure then by the Argument of our deare brethren of Scotland according to the exegencie of affaires the King may depart from our deare brethren of Scotland at his pleasure when or whether he pleaseth although his pleasure should be never so pernitious or perilous to our deare brethren of Scotland for his pleasure may only be knowne to himselfe and not at all to our deare brethren of Scotland no moe then it was foreknown as our deare brethren would make us believe at his comming to them Therefore if our deare brethren of Scotland will have him according to the exigency of affaires to be disposed of at his pleasure then according to the exigency of affaires our deare brethren of Scotland must run the hazard of his pleasure But for be better deciding of the matter about his will it is to be questioned 1. Whether since the Covenant and Treaties either England or Scotland may assert that the place of the Kings residence is at his owne Election the which as the case since hath stood may in no wise be honourably granted for thereby in all reason it must be concluded that the two Kingdomes tooke upon them the sole disposall of his person without the least relation or respect to his personall wil For should that not be concluded then his arbitrary disposal of his person so many times in open and actuall hostility against the Parliament and people of England were justifiable 2. It is to be considered that though before this his hostility against the Parliament and people he might dispose of his person from White-Hall to Hampton Court or the like without the joynt advice of the two Kingdomes whether now the case be nor altered or no 3. In regard he hath most properly leavied and made warre against the Parliament and People of England and in regard the Scotch engagement was but in assistance of their brethren of England Whether his person thereupon is not most properly due to the two Houses of Parliament and thereupon they might properly vote the disposall thereof notwithstanding his King-ship of Scotland by reason the Offence was properly against them and a maine end of the war was to reduce and recover his person unto the Custody and power