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A13949	Three small and plaine treatises 1. Of prayer or actiue 2. Of principles, or positiue 3. Resolutions, or oppositiue Diuinitie. Translated and collected out of the auncient writers for the priuate vse of a most noble ladie. By an old praebendary of the Church of Lincolne.	Williams, John, 1582-1650.	1620 (1620)	STC 24259; ESTC S102025	30,759	166

Father 3 August de ciuit Dei l. 8. cap. 27. The better sort of Christians did not so And we hold it very idle to 4 Plin. Sec●● l. 4. ep 8. propose for our imitation any other then the best and most absolute patterne Pap. You do also speake basely of the blessed virgin and compare her to your owne wiues and such baggages Prot. A rayling Frenchman doth charge Melancthon with such a comparison Florim Remond en son Histoir ex Hom. Mel. in euang de incarnat but that booke or passage hee cites is not to bee found among the workes of that most learned and modest writer Howeuer our Church hath neuer a * Rogers in art 22. Saint Ruffyn as yours hath to heale all frenzies and madnesses and we count no better of those desperate speeches that any one shall vomit against the glorious virgin Yet I thinke your men abuse her farre more * Leo 10. ep ad Bemb 17. one calling her a Goddesse another * Rosar Mar. the Goddesse of the sea which is the title of Venus Making of Mary the euer Virgin a meere * in Petr. Arbit Quartilla that could neuer remember she was a Virgin In euery deed you all abuse her For * Polan synt l. 3. c. 24. as one wel obserues when you say your Aue Maries you pray for her But wee hold as to pray for her to be most * Aug. serm 17. de verb. Ap. iniurious so to pray to her to be most * Epiph. l. 3. aduers haeres vnlawfull and superstitious Pap. Also you neuer vse to pray for the dead although the Auncients did so Prot. Wee dare not indeed For if they bee in Heauen * P. Lomb. 4 sent distinct 45. we shall wrong them if in Hell we cannot helpe them and Purgatory * Roffens contra art Luther art 18. your owne men confesse was neuer heard of amongst the Auncients Now for those prayers for the dead in the old Liturgies they were conceiued if you marke them for men dying Caessand prec eccles and passing not dead already and so they are still vsed in the Church of England and most diligently deuourly in the Collegiate Church of Westminster But to stretch and extend these * Vide epist Vratislau apud Scultet Annal. dec 1. pa. 152. Collects to men stone-dead and past their particular iudgements was a pretty proiect of the Monkes and Friars and they were very wel payd for their wit and inuention as you shall finde when you shall haue occasion to purchase a Masse for any of your kindred departed Pap. Nay say you nothing of the Masse for out of malice and derogation from the Sacrifice therin offered you haue bred in the people such a sleight opinion of the Blessed Sacrament as they make of it but a bare signe or a token or a figure or I cannot tell what And dare not conceiue Christ to be there for feare of imprisonment or the high Commission Prot. Wee doe indeed acknowledge no oblation in the blessed Sacrament but a * See common praier booke liuely commemoration of that oblation of Christ which he offered vpon the Crosse for our redemption Nor any Sacrifice at all but that Sacrifice of Collects prayers and thankesgiuing which the Church powres out vnto God at the receiuing of the Sacrament And these commemorations and collects are the reason why the Supper of the Lord was termed by the Auncients a Sacrifice an Oblation the Eucharist the Hoast c. But the reuerence due to this great Sacrament is as obseruable as the maner of Christs presence therein is vnexpressable The names of a figure a signe a type and the like wee keepe to expound the words onely but not as though they were keyes to open and vnfolde the maner of the mysterie The speech is to be expounded figuratiuely because * Schoolemen in 4. sent This and Christs body before the pronuntiation of the last syllable of the wordes are disparats and of a contrary nature But Christ is present there for the matter a Aug. confess apud Cassand consult art 10. substantially b Caluin in 1. Cor. 11.21 truely c Melan. in ep ad Palat. Granguellam really nay most truely d Fortunatus Caluinista apud Greg. de Valent. l. 1. de praesen Christi in Euchar. c. 7. dist Istius and most really and more truely and more really then the bread and the wine but for the maner ineffably and vnexpressably And this is that Caluinisticall doctrine you so much cauill at and deride 1 Wee honour the Saints with Ecclesiasticall obseruation but not with a Spirituall adoration 2 The ancient Fathers made Orations but no Orisons vnto them 3 The blessed Virgin is more abused by Papists who make her To giue sucke to a Priest Vincent Spec. h●st l. 7. 84. Mend Thomas a Beckets old hose Cantip. lib. 2. c. 29.12 Heale a scabd head Caes l. 7. c. 25. Clippe a Monke Id. l. 7. c. 51. Kisse another Id. l. 7 c. 33. Sing to a third Id. l. 7. c. 22. Lie betweene man and wife Vincent lib. 7. c. 8. Supplie a Nunnes place that was gone to a Bawdy house Caesar lib. 7. cap. 35. Bring an Abbesse to bed gotten with childe by her Seruing-man Vincent Spec. hist lib. 7. cap. 87. 4 Wee are ready to bury but not to adore reliques 5 We pray for men departing as the Fathers did not for the departed as the Friars did 6 Christ is in the Sacrament really for the matter ineffably for the maner CHAP. 5. Some idle personall exceptions Prot. HAue you any other points of our Religion that you stumble at Pap. These are the main points of your religion questioned But some aspers●ons more are cast vpon the persons of your Ministers As that they lie wilfullie and against their knowledge in points of Diuinity and are thus zealous in the cause out of a desire onely to preserue their great estates in the Church wheras our Priests haue no other worldlie comfort but the goodnesse of their cause and the testimonies of their consciences Prot. Let your common discretion be your iudge in this case whether wee that ground our doctrines vpon the word of God interpreted by those ten rules I formerly set downe or these men that put all to the determination of the Church that is to their own proper phantasies and the grosse exposition of an vnlearned Pope are most likely to gull the world with crotchets and Chimaeras Besides you know how full this kingdome is of men well read as in all sciences so especially in Diuinity You know and yet none knowes it so well as they that best know him the profound learning and deepe apprehension of the King himself as hauing perfectly digested the very body and bulke of all sacred knowledge And is this a stage for ignorance imposture to play their parts on Or doeth this

learned Monarch the Lord of 3. Kingdomes woed and sought vnto by all the Catholike Princes palliate his religion in hope of a Bishoprick These are poore and toothlesse aspersions Then for our Ecclesiasticall estates they are so par'de and pol'de with duties and impositions all which had their Originall from the Court of Rome that the time of the charge of breeding vp a minister would raise him a better meanes then he hath in the Church in any other trade or trafficque whatsoeuer The King is gracious to his seruants of all professions But a Countrey Minister cannot inne for the haruest of a whole yeere what a Iesuite can get in an hours confession Lastly concerning these professors of pouerty the Priests and the Iesuites it is too well knowne they want no maintenance What by traducing our Nation abroad and seducing our people at home their bones are full of marrow and their eyes swell with fatnesse and what the Statute hath taken from vs cogging and cheating hath drawen vpon them I mean the priuie Tithes and Beneuolences of the Kingdome But to choke this Obiection in one word That our meanes is no cause to keepe vs in this profession witnes our Brethren in France and elsewhere who without the same means teach preach the selfe same doctrine Pap. They also inform vs that your Ministers haue neither learning nor honestie Prot. It is true indeede they teach their Nouices that the greatest Doctor in our Church doth not vnderstand the common grounds of Diuinity and must of * Britanno-Romanus pag. 19. necessity bee put to his A. B. C. againe But common reason can inform you whether this bee true or not Againe they are onely the base fugitiues and discontented runnagates of our own nation that spread these rumours who thinke their Countrie-men the grossest fooles in Christendome that they dare thus amuse them and lead them by the nose with such impossible assertions And therefore I will giue you a touch heere how other Papists haue ingeniously acknowledged the learning and piety of many Protestants * Aeneas Syluius de orig Bohem c. 35. Pope Pius commended Hus for learning and purity of life Alph. lib. 2. aduers haeres tit Ador. haer 2. Alphonsus de Castro Oecolampadius for all kinde of knowledge and the tongues especially * In annot in Tert. coron Militis In defens conc Trid. l. 1. p. 41. Rhenanus also Conradus Pellican as a man of a wonderfull sanctity and erudition Andradius likewise Chemnitius for a man of a sharpe wit and great iudgement Costerus all the Protestants for their ciuill behauiour their almes their building of hospitals and forbearing from reuiling swearing * Enchirid. c. 2. p. 101. De prohib l. 2. c. 13. Gretzer himselfe our ordinarie writers to bee for the most part of great learning 1 Recherches de la Fraunce pag. 910. 511. and iudgement Stephen Paschier held Caluin worthie set his opinions aside to be compared for zeale and learning to the chiefe Doctors of the Catholique Church 2 Lib. 11. epist 11. Epist Erasmus held Luther of that integritie of life that his very enemies had nothing to cast in his dish 3 Lindan l. 3. Strom. cap. 33. Lindanus acknowledged Melancthon to be adorned with all kind of learning In a word your Writers themselues did so applaud the persons of their aduersaries for learning and pietie that 4 Index expurg distinct 2. Pope Clement the 8. was faine to command all your Controuersie-writers to bee reuiewed and these graces and praises bestowed on our men to be blotted out and expunged And therefore when you next heare a Iesuite in this theme thinke vpon these true relations and withall laugh at him and pray for him Pap. Sir I haue receiued some satisfaction that matters are not so farre out of square in the Church of England as I haue beene informed But yet my conscience will not serue mee to come to your congregations because there are beside these triuiall many other points of doctrine neuer heard of amongst Protestants which be in very deed the Caballas and mysteries of the Romane-Catholique Religion You haue beene very tedious in your answeres and declarations I pray you therefore bestow the last Chapter vpon me to shew the reasons why so many Ladies and good Soules refuse to conforme themselues to the Church of England Prot. With all my heart I will therefore end my speach with the summing vp this fifth Chapter and leaue the euent to God and your Conscience 1. The meanes of our Churchmen are not so great as to make them maintaine a false religion but their religion is so true as it makes them contented with any meanes 2. Yet in other countries where no hope of preferment appeares there appeares an equall zeale of our Religion 3. Our Church-men are commended for their liues and learning by the pens of their prime aduersaries CHAP. 6. Reasons of refusall to leaue the Romish religion collected out of printed Authors Pap. I Cannot leaue my Religion I. Reason Because We must simply beleeue the Church of Rome whether it teach true or false Stapl. Antidot in Euang. Luc. 10.16 pag. 528. And if the Pope beleeue there is no life to come wee must beleeue it as an Article of our Faith Busgradus And we must not heare Protestant Preachers though they preach the Truth Rhem. vpon tit 3.10 Blasph And for your Scripture we litle weigh it For the Word of God if it bee not expounded as the Church of Rome will haue it is the word of the Diuell Hosius de expresso verbo Dei II. Reason You rely too much vpon the Gospel and S. Paules Epistles in your Religion whereas Blasph the Gospel is but a fable of Christ as Pope Leo the tenth tels vs. Apol. of H. Stephen fol. 358. Smeton contra Hamilton pag. 104. And the Pope can dispense against the New Testament Panormit extra de diuortiis And hee may checke when hee pleases the Epistles of S. Paul Carolus Ruinus Consil 109. num 1. volum 5. And controule any thing auouched by all the Apostles Rota in decis 1. num 3. in nouiss Anton. Maria in addit ad decis Rotae nou de Big n. 10. And there is an eternall Gospel to wit Blasph that of the holy Ghost which puts down Christs Cirellus a Carmelite set it foorth III. Reason You attribute all your Saluation to Faith in Christ alone Whereas He is the Sauiour of men onely but of no women Dial. of Diues and Pauper compl 6. cited by Rogers vpon the Artic. and Postellus in Iesuits Catech. l. 1. cap. 10. For women are saued by S. Clare Mother Iane. Som. in Morn de eccl cap. 9. Postellus in Iesuits Catech. lib. 8. cap. 10. Nay to speake properly S. Francis hath redeemed as many as are saued sithence his dayes Conformit of S. Fran. And the blood of S. Thomas a Becket Hor. Beat. Virg. And sometimes one man by his Satisfactions redeemes another Test Rhem. in Rom. 8.17 IV. Reason In your Church there is but one way to remission of sinnes which you call Faith in Christ but we haue many For we put away Our Venials with a litle holy water Test Rhem. in Rom. 8.17 Mortals by 1. Merits of the B. Virgine Hor. B. Virg. 2. The blood of Becket ib. 3. Agnos Dei or holy Lambes Cerem l. 1. t. 7. 4. Little parcels of the Gospel Breuiar 5. Becomming Franciscans confor l. 1. fol. 101. 6. A Bishops pardon for 40. dayes a Cardinals for a 100. daies and the Popes for eeuer Tak Camaer apud Espens in 1. ad Tim. V. Reason You stand too precisely vpon your Sacraments and require a true Faith in the partaker Whereas with vs To become a Monke or a Nunne is as good as the Sacrament of Baptisme Aquin. de ingres relig l. 2. c. 21. And the very true and reall body of Christ may bee deuoured of dogs hogges cattes and rattes Alex. Hales parte 4. q. 45. Thom. parte 3. q. 8. art 3. VI. Reason Then for your Ministers euery one is allowed to haue his wife or else enforced to liue chastly whereas with vs the Pope himselfe cannot dispense with a Priest to marrie no more then he can priuiledge him to take a purse Turianus found fault withall by Cassand Consult art 23. But whordome is allowed all the yeere long See Sparkes discouery pag. 13. constitut Othon de concubit cleric remouend Abhominable And another sinne for Iune Iuly August which you must not know of Allowed for this time by Sixtus Quartus to all the family of the Cardinall of S. Lucie vessel Grouingens tract de indulgent citat a Iacob Laurent Iesuit lib. pag. 196. vide Io. Wolfij lection memorab centen 15 p. 836. For indeed the wickednes of the Church-men is a prime argument of the worthinesse of the Roman Church Bellar. l. 4. de Rom. Pont. cap. 14. artic 28. And the Pope can make that righteous which is vnrighteous l. 1. Decretal Greg. tit 7. c. 5. And yet can no man say vnto him Sir why do you so In extrau tom 22. titul 5. c. ad Apostolatus VII and last Reason You in the Church of England haue cast off the Bishop of Rome Blasph whereas the Bishop of Rome is a God Dist. 96. c. Satis euidenter Panorm cap. Quanto Abbas FINIS