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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A80251	The Commons dis-deceiver: touching their deceitfull delatory evasions of a desired speedy treaty with the King; the onely expedient for a wished and happy peace in the kingdome. Containing 1. Answers to the reasons of the Commons, which they gave the Lords (at a conference July 25. 1648.) against a treaty. 2. Reasons why the Commons, rather then the Lords, are against a treaty. 3. Reasons to shew that it is safer and better, even for the Commons, to adventure on a treaty, then to hazard a new warre.		1648 (1648)	Wing C5574; Thomason E457_3; ESTC R204960	11,269	15

Leaders but hereby to keep their mouthes open to cry I and No and to so vote for or against what shall be directed by them or as they heare Joller and Jumper mouthe it first Wheras the Lords the while though perhaps the Speaker the Keeper of the Seale some chiefe Committee-men and others may gaine by Bribes Yet such Lords as have great revenues by the continuall Taxes assessed quartering of Souldiers c. must eyther abate or allow their Tenants in their rents and so at the yeeres end become loosers And if you object that this likewise befalls the Commons as well as the Lords I answer that the least part of the Commons have any great store of Lands and those who have either by their power they can moderate and lighten their taxes laid on their lands or else they have recompence 3 5 10 20. for one by their other places offices or wayes of getting If therefore according to their selfe-denying Ordinance of 4. Aprill 1645. and their votes of the 10. of June 1647. those Commons should bee deprived of those places and wayes of gaining and be left to beare their own charge and which is worst of all to stand to the hazard whether when all profit ceaseth they might at last obteine a pardon you shall find them forward enough yea try them this way and I dare warrant they shall out-mouth the Lords for a Treaty Especially if you can but clip them of that power which they have in ruling more then the Lords or if it be but to take them off the power in ruling the Lords themselves for how immensely might I not say how infinitely have the Commons in this Parliament extended their priviledge and power beyond all measure and bound not over and against the King and all their fellow Subjects but even over and against the Lords too for when as it appeares by their severall writs which give and limit each of their powers the Peeres are called to advise and councell the King and the Commons to assent and doe what shall bee so advised and when as the Commons witnesse Sir Ed. Cooke are but as the grand Inquest to the Peers who with the King are the only Judges yet is it not so come to passe that in this Parliament when the Commons have first debated and voted that they then have sent to the Lords willing them to concurre and in case that they should not that then the names of the dissenting Lords should bee transmitted to the Commons and so by them to bee voted and declared enemies to the State witnesse the message sent to the Lords by an eminent Member of the Commons Jan. 1641. and when all power of judicature is in the Lords house by reason of the Kings sitting there and all Pardons of high nature doth belong only to the King have not the Commons witnesse their late Order 17. July 1641. taken upon them to give sentence upon the high insurrection as they call it in Kent and to grant publish and proclaim a Pardon to so many as they please and all this without the Lords And the Commons having thus Lorded it in power over the Peeres it is easie to conceive whether the Lords or Commons beare the greater sway or have the greater power in pleasing or displeasing punishing or rewarding either Souldier Committee-men or the Subject in generall Especially when you consider what is generally observed that when the Commons keepe to that which they call their Priviledge not to bee impeached sequestred their places or judged by the Peeres yet the Peeres in this Parliament have been impeached sequestred and sentenc'd by the Commons Which being so believe it where the power is in ruling there will the opinion follow of honouring and obeying and by these two advantages of profit and power the Commons have gained to themselves the 3. cord of reputation and esteeme above the Lords and therefore will bee as hitherto they are more averse to the Treaty and Peace then the Lords are or will bee insomuch as they shall bee greater loosers then the Lords by this Treaty and Peace and as greater in losse so more in feare and danger then the Lords Not only in that they have over-powred and out-acted the Lords in the highest breach of Law and Loyalty but in that they have given one to another such large summes of the mony of the Kindome which by their own Ordinances should have beene otherwise disposed and for this in a Treaty some happily feare a questioning and some if they be able a refunding Others may feare and justly that they shall bee called to a reckoning for the vast summes of money by them received and not accounted for except perchance in a cursory way one to another and what satisfaction can this bee to the true man that the theeves have divided and accounted each to other the true mans goods might I not adde that divers of them are or justly might bee afraid of a Treaty least that they heare of the divers insolencies injuries oppressions bribes yea and thefts committed by them contrary not only to law but to their own Ordinances And may I not yet add the strange never before heard of like priviledge that for so many yeares many of them have kept themselves from paying their just debts yea and hazarding by the length of this Parliament the utter defrauding of their creditors for ever there being a Statute of Limitation 21. Jac. c. 16. which confines all suits to certain yeares which this Parliament hath exceeded already and by this meanes all actions against these debtors being Parliament men are frustrate and void in Law and who can or dare sue a Parliament-man least hee bee either committed to prison whether the debtor ought to bee sent or enjoyned to release the debt as some have beene constrained to doe this Parliament Lastly The guilt and horror of Conscience is so great and clamorous to many of the leading Grandees in this Parliament that they dare not trust themselves in a Treaty with the King nor with God or good men and not but only with an Army and that of such Souldiers as shall bee of their own choice and pay who therefore will bee ready on all turnes to prosecute their never so unjust and divelish commands bee they either against the King the Kingdom or God himselfe of all which wee have had too great and too long wofull experience 3. Some brief Reasons shewing that it is safer better for this Kingdom the two houses in Parliament to Treat with the King though he will not signe the three Propositions before the Treaty then to engage in a new warre in Case the King should refuse the so joyning of them For 1. It 's more then probable that the king wil not signe the Propositions before the Treaty 1 Because he hath already declared both his will and reasons against the so signing of them and that when hee had no such hope or

from his Crowne then ever King in this Land before him did when after promise of granting more and more then they should in justice and reason demand yet after all this to prosecute him with warre to defame him to the world by black and false aspersions to draw away the affections of the People to imprison and hazard his sacred Person to the malice or divellish rage of base and unworthy People I say and it appeares by our best Histories that the like of this was never known in the Reignes of any his Majesties Predecessors and therefore in this respect well it may be said that the like spilling ●f blood was never questioned by any of his Majesties Predecessors And then from hence no more in reason can be concluded then this or the like That this act of theirs being unparalell'd it may with justice be questioned though not to punish the present Actors yet to keep after-times from acting the like But out of question it stands not with reason that rather then it should be questioned how or by whom so much blood hath been spilt that therefore we should have no Treaty or peace but go on and ingage in a war to the shedding of floods of innocent and guiltlesse blood 1. And by the way observe what may in some sort answer confute or deny these to be Reasons whereas the three Bills to be sent and signed by the King are 1. For the Militia 2. Religion and Church-government 3. For the recalling of his Majesties Declarations c. That there is not in all nor in any part of their Reasons one word or syllable concerning Religion or Government of the Church although in their Protestation Covenant and Declarations they have usually to deceive the People put and profest Religion and the Church in the first place as the maine peece of their principall care and endeavour 2 Observe whether in all their Reasons there be the least care or any mention of preserving the Lawes of this Kingdome of the Rights of the King or safety of his Person or of the Liberty and Propriety of the Subject or of the Publke-weale how to keep the Kingdome in wealth safety and honout and to preserve the People from effusion of more blood 3 Observe whether all and every particular in their Reasons do not speak or tend only to the maintenance of their unjust unlimited usurped power in Parliaments thereby instead of our good certain known Laws to rule us by tyrannicall destructive Ordinances which are daily changeable and certain only in this that they tend to the maintenance of the power and profit only of themselves and their friends but to the disgracing and debasing the King and his Subject and the impoverishing and ruining the People and Kingdome or to keep themselves their wicked Instruments and Adherents not only from triall or judgement but from giving any answer or account for all or any their unjustice oppression pursing the Kingdomes money but instead thereof for want of a Treaty to be able to defend themselves and their Complices in the continuance and pursuit of all their wicked courses And had not the Divell as we usually say owed them a shame or rather had not God suffered them for their many horrible sins of grosse hypocrisie injustice murder oppression irreligion to have blinded them who are so wise in their generation could a man conceive that in all their reasons they would have forgot the Worship of God the Government of the Church the good and safety of the King the welfare of the Kingdome but let all these sink and swim so they can provide but for themselves and for such as they may strengthen to stand by and for them 1. In conclusion and to summe up the strength of these Reasons whether or to what end really do they tend but selera seleribus tueri to defend mainteine and continue their former exorbitant courses by a pretext of securing themselves and friends and at the best the holding up of an usurped power among themselves which cannot be but by an addition of injustice to injustice blood to blood and sinne to sinne untill sinne become unmeasureably sinfull and such as can expect no better fruit then confusion and destruction 2. What is the end of all their reasoning but to preferre the particular beings estates and powers of some private persons before the publike worship of God the weale of three Kingdomes which are in hazard if not in a too neere certainty of ruine by a new warre 3. But that the Commons should be the Reasoners and Judges in this case is most unjust and unreasonable for Judges ought to be men knowing the Law and understand-throughly and perfectly the cases wherein they are to be Judges Now in sober sadnesse a little truth tell me are all they who have voices among the Commons by whose voices these actions reasons are maintained are they I say all such known men in the Lawes of God and man of right reason and best governing a Kingdome as to be able to distinguish vote and judge in such high points And if you tell me that for matter of Religion and Church they have the Assembly of Divines to instruct them for matters of Law Gentlemen of the long robe and for matters of State some wise and experienced Politick to guide them and must I take this for a satisfactory answer that all is well done that is thus done and voted by such ignaroes for is it fit that he shouln sit as Judge who wanting knowledge of his owne must rely upon the judgement of an other and so make his conscience ride upon another soules back But grant that all the Commons were able in point of knowledge to be Iudges yet can we grant that which is contrary to all reason justice and law that parties to be judged should be Judges and who can deny but that if not all yet 9. or 8. or 7. parts of the whole Commons now voting are parties in this cause wherein they take upon them to be Judges for is not he in all reason justice and law held and taken to be a party who either hath gain'd doth gain holds or hopes to gain by the case wherein he is to judge For is it not presumed and on good reason that such a man by his self-love and proper interest will forget upright Judgement and leane to himselfe in his own cause And if this be granted which cannot be denied then tell me how many either of their Assembly of Divines at Westminster or of their Gentlemen of the Long Robe in that House or of the wise men amongst them either have not had or now have not offices places or things of profit and power which they are unwilling to lose or be called to question for the holding or abusing of them and I dare say that of each hundred in the House there are not twenty but have had or now have places of profit and

appearance of help and relief as now he hath 2 Because Hee knoweth the Kingdome of Scotland hath protested against his so signing these Propositions and that the then Protestation is now again avowed in the late Declaration of their Estates to bee the sence of their Kingdom 3 Because the English Lords in this Parliament have given publish't many strong and unanswerable reasons against the sending these Propositions before the Treaty wherein they concur both with the King and the Kingdome of Scotland 4 Because not only the City of London but the greatest and most considerable Counties Professions and conditions of men in this Kingdome joyne in the pressing a speedy Treaty without relation to the Propositions 5 Because the premitting these Propositions is urged and prosecuted mainly if not only by one Faction or Party and is not seconded but by those who are interessed by places of profit and honour or by feare of comming to an account or after reckoning 6 Because these two last parties though joyned in one yet cannot by the hundreth part answer the number and power of those who will and are ready to oppose them in the three Kingdomes 2. And let those who are apt to engage in a new Warre know that as the fortune and successe of all even the best warres is doubtfull so that the event of this at least on their part is most hazardous because it is against the desires the safety and good of three Kingdomes all which will first or last joyn together to maintaine their own desired safety and good against that party who ever whose plots designes and arts so evidently appeare tending to the confusion and Destruction of the Church and Common-Wealth 3. But grant that the party who are for a Warre rather then a Treaty should in a battell or two get the better yet can they conceive that hereby the warre were ended or that a peace indempnity or safety were concluded on their parts No rather this would stirre up and inflame the people in three Kingdomes to more hot and bloody warres and these must necessarily draw on a decay of trade a wasting of the wealth and men and thereby hazarding the ruine of this Kingdom for it cannot be imagined that three Kingdomes or the greater part of them will rest and ly down to suffer the tyrany of one faction or Party because it hath once or twice overcome them in battell 4. Whereas if this party who are for a warre rather then a Treaty should but once bee overcome and scattered in any one pitcht field or battell it is not probable that they should ever bee able to rise recruit again and to stand in battell against all their Opponents in three Kingdomes who will bee as carefull to keep them as they were willing to beate them downe 5. And if this should come to passe that they were once beaten scattered 1 then in what danger may they be who have plotted fomented and maintained this warre 2 in what case will all the Monopilizers of Offices and places of profit bee 3 in what state will not only the Excise and Committee-men be of the severall Counties but even they of the two Houses for the many insufferable injuries and oppressions laid on their fellow Subjects 4 How may it fare with all those who without any account have for so many yeares together ingrossed the greatest part of the wealth of this rich Kingdome 5 Yea may it not bee feared that not only the Bills which in this Parliament might have beene yeelded unto but those Acts allready passed may suffer question opposition or a repeale as being obteined by fraud or force 6 Nay may it not hereafter weaken the honour priviledge and power of Parliaments for ever when the power of this shall be conquered by the Sword 6. All which feares and daungers may readily bee taken away by Acts of Pardon and Oblivion and these may as easily bee obteined and granted by a free-Treaty I add by a free-Treaty for if the King cannot obteine Liberty nor a Treaty unlesse hee first signe the Propositions then neither will this signing the Propositions bee of force to binde him hee beeing not at Liberty at the time of signing nor can the Treaty it selfe bee construed free because it was obteined and held per asperte FINIS