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A96069 VVater upon the flame: by XX. queries propounded in the spirit of love and meeknesse, to the serious consideration of all Gods people; principally to the fifth monarch men, commonly so called. / By one that loveth the truth, and all good men; and one that neither hath, nor ever had, nor never intendeth to have the least place of profit, or worldly advantage by any change of government whatsoever. 1659 (1659) Wing W1042; Thomason E989_12; ESTC R204047 13,299 16

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Rev. 11.15 Mind the words And the Seventh Angel sounded and there were great voyces in heaven saying The Kingdomes of this world are become the Kingdomes of our Lord and of his Christ And the 1 Cor. 15.52 saith thus In a Moment in the Twinkling of an eye at the last Trumpet for the Trumpet shall sound and the dead shall be raised So then if the Time of Christs Reign over the Kingdomes of this world take place with the sounding of the last Trumpet which is Johns Doctrine And the sounding of the last Trumpet be at the Time of the Resurrection of the Dead which is Pauls doctrine Then how vain a thing is it to expect the Fifth Monarchy of our Lord Jesus Christ till after the first Resurrection 10. Whether by the Stone cut out of the Mountaine without hands be not meant Christ with the House of Israel onely or at least Principally Because the same Work that Daniel saith the Stone shall do Dan. 2.3.4.35 The same Work the men of Israel shall do See also and compare the 41. Isa 14 15 16. Who 12. Zach. 3. are called a burthensome stone And is it not harsh dealing in the Interpretation of Scripture to put that upon the Gentile Saints which the Scripture fixeth on the men of Jsrael where do we find the Gentiles called the men of Israel in all the Word of God 11. Whether the destruction of the Whore of Rome is not plainly declared to be the work of the Ten Hornes and not the Saints as Saints Though the Saints in common with the World may be used in the Work as they are Members of those Common-Wealths over whom those Horns have Power Rev. 17.16 The ten horns which thou SAWEST These shall hate the Whore and make her desolate and naked and shall eat her flesh and burn it with fire For the Saints as Saints to go about it then is to cross the word of God and I fear to run before they are sent 12. Whether you are not in a great Errour when you say Banner of Truth p 19● that the Stone spoken of Dan. 2.44 you find it to be Christ Jesus in the pure sanctified and refined Gentile Christians To prove this you urge in the first place Mal. 3.2 3. The words are as followeth But who may abide the day of his coming and who shall stand when he appeareth For he is like refiners fire and fullers sope and he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver And he shall purify the Sons of Levi and purge them as gold and silver then shall the offering of Jndah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the Lord as in the dayes of Old But how you should conclude the Text speaking of the Gentile Christians is strange Are the Gentile Christians called by the Name of the Sons of Levi The Persons of the Text are Sons of Levi Sons of Jacob v. 6. such as then were under the Law of Tithes vers 8. and are said to rob God in not paying of them Therefore not Gentile Christians A second Text you urge to prove the Stone in Daniel is meant of Christ in the Gentile Saints picked not out of the World onely but Churches also is the 14. Revel 4 5. but very impertinently in my apprehension Because the picked holy persons there spoken of are said to be One hundred fourty and four thousand which if we will suffer John to tell us who they are we must needs understand them of the Sealed Jews of the Twelve Tribes of the Children of Israel spoken of Rev. 7.4 and not the Gentile Christians Mind the Words And I heard the number of them that were sealed and there were sealed One hundred fourty and four thousand Now mark who they were OF ALL THE TRIBES OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL and so goeth on to the 8. verse to mention those Tribes particularly Therefore not the Gentiles But Thirdly to prove that the stone Dan. 2. that shall break in pieces and consume the Kingdomes of the Earth is not to be meant of Christ with the Jews but of Christ in the Gentile Saints you urge Christs words in the 21. Mat. 42. where he is spoken of under the Metaphor of a stone And where Christ telleth the Jews that the Kingdom of God should be taken from them given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof From hence you conclude that the smiting work of the Kingdomes of the world will be done by the Gentiles first and not the Jewes Here your Error lieth in the mistake of the sence of those words The Kingdome of God spoken of is the 21. Math. In that place it noteth onely the Gospel of the Kingdome Mat. 4.13 which Luke 10.9 Christ said was come nigh to them And 17. Luke 21. Christ said was amongst them And in this sense the Kingdome of God was taken from them Acts 13.46 according to Christs threat But you use the words to note the Kingdome of his visible Power and Dominion as a visible King over the Jewes which they were not in possession of Therefore not capable of a Threat to have it removed Yea though Christ had the Right of all Power given to him by the Father Mat. 28. yet not the right of actual exercise of all that Power at the same time Therefore Heb. 2.8.9 when Paul to the Hebrews had said He hath put all things under his feet presently subjoyneth But we see not YET all things put under his feet Yea Christ telleth his Disciples Acts 1.7 That the Time of Restoring the Kingdome to Israel was not for them to know And finding some of his Disciples supposing his Kingdome in your sense would immediately appear Luke 19.11 He putteth a Parable on purpose to rectify them the Substance whereof is that he must go to Heaven and receive Orders for it and return again before he execute it Which directly answereth to 7. Dan. 11. Rev. 15. and 2 Tim. 4.1 where his Kingdom and appearing are put as taking place together 13. Whether when Christ saith My Kingdome is not of this world or from hence as he expoundeth himself John 18.36 giving this for the Reason why his servants fight not for him Doth not this Text reprove with a high hand all humane force to enthrone him and consequently condemn your practise because he saith My Kingdome is not from hence that is from the World or worldly Powers as the Kingdomes of other Monarchs were Iohn 8.31 Mat. 21.25 1 Iohn 2.16 but from above from his Father Things of and from the world from men and from the earth are opposed in other Scriptures to being from above from heaven from the Father Here then seemeth to be Christs Argument if he were to come by his Kingdome as other Kings ordinarily come by theirs His servants would Fight for him as the servants of other Monarchs fight for them but since he was to come by his from another Power then that of men his servants need not
Spirit you are of for the Son of man came not c. The extraordinary practises of the Old Testament Prophets was no Pattern to them but His. 1 Cor. 6.17 He that is joyned to the Lord is said to be one Spirit And 2. Phil. 6. Let the same mind be in you which was in Christ Jesus Christ calleth upon all his disciples to learn of him to be meek and lowly Mat. 11.29 Paul calleth upon all Christians to walk in love as he did 5. Ephes 2. to self-denial as he did 15. Rom. 2. Let every one of you please his neighbour for his good for even Christ pleased not himself Peter calleth upon all persons to Bear Wrongs patiently as he did 1 Pet. 1.21 and so to tread in his steps which he saith they were thereunto called from his example And John saith 1 Joh. 2.6 He that saith he abideth in him ought to walk even as he walked And Paul saith We are predestinated to be conformed to the Image of the Son 8. Rom. 29. And it was his Glory that looking into the Glasse of the Gospel he became translated into that Image 2 Cor. 3.18 So then Christs Image Christs Mind Christs Spirit Christs Steps is of right the Image of all his Saints the Mind of all his Disciples the Spirit of all his Friends and the Steps of all his faithfull Followers Is it not then above an ordinary wonder that you should pretend to so much of his Spirit even at the same time when your violent motions proclaim the contrary with a loud voice Christ was all Smooth and you seem to be all Rough. Christ was all for putting up of Swords you are all for pulling them out Christ was all for Saving mens Lives and you seem to be all for Destroying them Christ was for Binding up of Wounds and you are for Making them 6. Whether the Commandments and imitable Practises of Christ and his Apostles before mentioned be not as long liv'd as other of his Commandments and binding upon all his disciples till he come again in Person As the People of God under Moses was shut up as Paul expresseth it 3. Gal. 23. under his Laws till Faith or the Gospel of the Mesiah come So are the People of God under the Gospel shut up under Christs Laws till He come again in Person to disanull them onsult 2. Rev. 25. That which thou hast received hold fast How long TILL I COME 1 Cor. 11.26 As ought as ye eat this Bread and drink this Cup ye do shew forth the Lords death Marke TILL HE COME So 1 Tim. 6.14 I give thee charge that thou keep this Commandment without spot unrebukable How long VNTIL THE APPEARING OF OVR LORD JESVS CHRIST So that all the Positive Precepts and Examples of Christ and the Apostles Practised and Commanded upon a Moral Reason last as long as this present world lasteth except we should interpret these Scriptures or rather abuse them with the Quakers and from them fancy another appearing and Coming of Christ before his coming to Judgement but to shew the vanity of their conceit His coming to Judgement is called his Second coming 9. Heb. 28. Whereas then it would be the Third Consider I pray Is there any Time set by our Saviour or the Apostles how long men shall be of his Spirit Humble Meek Gentle Obedient to Magistrates no brawlers but shewing all meeknesse to all men And when his Disciples may lawfully turn into the quite contrary Spirit from Lambs to Lyons from subjection to Magistrates to destroying them T is true there cometh a Time when the Saints shall Judge the World Bind Kings in chains Rule over Nations Rev. 2.26 but it is the reward of Overcoming all Temptations and keeping Christs works to the end even Till He Come At which time Christ promiseth also to give such Overcomers the Morning Star 2. Rev. 28. Look the place Now as you go to work you catch at the Reward before you have done your Work The Apostle James enjoyneth upon all the Christians patience James 5.7 8 9. Be patient therefore Brethren saith he How long unto the coming of the Lord. The mean Time is the Time of Saints suffering not Raigning in the Judgement of S. James And is not Paul one with him Marke 3. Colos 4. WHEN CHRIT WHO IS OVR LIFE shall appear THEN shall ye appear with him in glory Mark that THEN and not till then for he saith in the mean Time they are dead and their life is hid Now How are they dead and their Life hid if they must pull down Princes and be the Earths Governours 7. Whether doth not Daniel the Prophet tell us plainly in the 7th of Daniel 21. That the Horn that spake great things and whose looks were more stout then his fellows that this horn should make warre with the Saints and prevail against them untill the Ancient of Days come If so and that it appears by the 13. Verse as it plainly doth That the Time of the Ancient of Daies coming and the Son of Mans coming in the clouds of Heaven take place together Mind the words Behold one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven and came to the Ancient of daies and they brought him near If so then how vain a thing is it to expect the Kingdomes of this world to become Christs till he come in the clouds of Heaven and the Ancient of dayes with him 8. Some of you make Dan. 7.18 The words these But the Saints shall take the Kingdome the ground of present fighting with worldly Powers in order thereunto now the Query is Whether this be not a wild inference from the Premises because t is clear from the 27. Verse that when ever they take it it shall be first given them and that 's not till the Ancient of days come So saith the 22. Verse Vntill the Ancient of daies come and Judgement was given to the Saints of the most High and the time came that the Saints possessed the Kingdom Nay Christ himself hath it not actually given him till his coming in the clouds of Heaven vers 13. Marke the words Behold one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven and came to the Ancient of daies and they brought him near before him and there was GIVEN HIM Glory Dominion and a Kingdom Can any one with any shew of reason conceive that God would have the Saints to take the Kingdom before it be given Christ Is not this then a strang piece of Religion in the People of God Now in the dayes of their conformity to Christ in his humiliation to leave the Rode of all Gods Saints to leap over the Hedge of all positive Laws and break down the Wall of most plain Precepts to pull down Kings and Princes in order thereunto 9. Doth not the Apostle John instruct us that the Time of Christs Reign over the Kingdoms of this world taketh place with the sounding of the last Trumpet