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A12090 Christ, on his throne; not in popish secrets A prophecie of Christ, against his pretended presence in popish secrets; laid open in a sermon preached before his Maiestie at Wansted certaine yeares agoe, and since much inlarged, and (vpon request) preached else where. By Richard Sheldon, Doctor in Diuinitie, his Maiesties chaplaine. In the preface whereof, there is also a briefe inquirie made by him, into a late sermon, stiled, The communion of saints. Sheldon, Richard, d. 1642? 1622 (1622) STC 22394; ESTC S117178 50,612 74

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of the said sight of him And in this respect it is that Christ saith beleeue it not hee doth not say beleeue him not beleeue not him but beleeue it not or beleeue not it It. So that it is a it a mysticall and mysterious it and manner of Christs being sacramentally personally in such Secrets and penetrals but not a hee or a him of Christs being there in humane shape Which being so that these false-prophets were to inuite the faithfull beleeuingly with faith to behould Christ to bee personally in such Secrets I hope the Papists will not denie but the same is punctually acted in their Christ in their Secrets Closets Church-arks Church-cupbords tabernacles c. Parsons was so well perswaded Parsons against Reports cap. 10. pag. 236. of the truth of this that Christ is to bee beheld and seene in the Secrets of Bread and Wine that with great ioie and confidence hee relateth out of Walsingham the answere of King Henrie the 3. of England made to King Lewis of France called the Saint For whereas King Lewis said that hee had rather heare manie Sermons then many masses King Henrie replied and said that for his part he had rather heare many masses then manie A conference betwixt King Henrie the 3. of England King Lewis called the Saint Sermons and withall yeeldeth this reason for the same that hee had rather see his friend then heare anye man though neuer so eloquently discoursing of him Christ then is to bee seene in popish penetrals with a Behould requiring faith and admiration If they should say and reply that they see him not properly that cannot bee for standing within their owne Christ in the popish Secrets v● conuersions by the force and Energie of conuersion principles that Christ is there vi conuersionis by the vertue of conuersion as my master Vasques taught in Rome I dare vndertake to shewe that in regard of the dependencie sustentation which the accidents of bread haue from the bodie of Christ whereby the substance of bread ceases to be and is turned into the bodie of Christ there is as intime So my Maister Vasquez his dictates which I haue with mee an vnion betwixt the accidents of bread and wine and Christs body as there is betwixt mans Soule and the qualities substantiall of the bodie yea in a degree though of farre inferiour excellencie of like kinde the accidents of bread and wine are sustained or sustentated if I may so speake by the bodie of Christ as the Humanitie The bodie of Christ sustames the Accidents of bread wine of Christ is sustained subsisteth by the diuine subsistence the difference onelie is one is more excellent then the other Againe in the one is supplied a naturall subsistence in the other a naturall inexistence or inherencie Now then as man in regard of outward qualities may be said to bee seen or the sonne of God may be said to be seen although Bellarmine affirmes that by consecration Christs bodie is made truelie and visibly present Bellar. lib. 1. de Miss cap. 12. ¶ Restat Salmero in vita Bellar. lib. 2. de Euchar. cap. 24. August lib. 3. de Trinit cap. 10. See Bell. lib. 1. De missa cap. 12 the Godhead the Soule or humane nature of man bee not seene as they are in themselues so likewise Christ in their doctrine may bee truly saide to bee seene in the formes of bread and wine And is it not a frequent saying with them when Christ is caried in their Processions Spectate Deus venit Behould God comes And was it not a saying of ould that they would aske of their Children whether they had respecting the eleuated Host at Masse seen God almigh tie vpon such or such a daie And doth not Bellarmine seeme to confesse that Christ may as trulie be said to bee seene in the formes of bread and wine as the Angells are seen in such formes and shapes as they take yea hee bringeth Saint Austines authoritie for the same that young Infants if they were not otherwise instructed in respect of that which is tould them concerning the diuine mysteries would thinke that Christ did when he was conuersant vpon earth appeare in the formes of bread and wine Answer 2 Secondly I answer touching Conuersation that the Pontificians cannot denie but that for their parts there is a conuersation betwixt themselues and their Christ for they are presentially with him they see him they handle him they speak to him they adore him they adorne A kind of true conuersatiō be twixt the Papists and their Christ him they lo●k him vp they carrie him about they walk to him and with him they watch with him and for him they cloath him and doe all seruices to him as to a Christ present both knowing seeing and vnderstanding well what they doe to him And further for their Christs part there present in A maine reason pretended for such corporal presence is that the popish faithfull may haue comfort thereby which cannot bee without some manner of conuersation See Iacob Suarez Thesauro quadrages ser 42. in fer 3. do pal person I hope they will not deny but that hee knoweth himselfe to be with them and in what manner hee is with them so that he heareth their prayers seeth their gestures weareth their ornaments worketh by his graces in their Soules and doth oftentimes many miraculous and prodigious effects and Cures amongst them And is not this a true manner of conuersation of such a Christ with such his Christians What is Conuersation but mutuall entercourse of Intelligent and vnderstanding Persons in actions done with knowledge and vnderstanding They vnderst and what they doe to this their Christ and I hope this their Christ knowes heares and sees what is so done by them to him and what answerably hee doeth to them When I was in Rome and pronounced an Oration in the Roman English Church vpon the burning and torturing of Maister Walter Marsh that worthie Martyr Amongst other points I remember one notable passage to wit That Christ beeing carried in a Pixe in that Procession where Master Marsh strook it downe by the handes of a Bishop their Oration taught mee thus to ●ay thereof See my Motues in the preface Christ conuerseth and visiteth in their processions in effect to wit that when Christ did visit his faithfull and make progresse amongst them then the impious and sacrilegious hands of that wicked man did violently beate and cast him downe Lo then here is a point of singular conuersation to wit visitation and progresse accknowledged in their Christ when hee is carried about in their Processions If it be here obiected that their Christ doth not speake vnto them with vocall words or sound of mouth I answer That is but one point of conuersation and the same may bee supplied by signes and some motions or gestures which the Priests make vpon him and about him aswell