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A94338 Three speeches spoken at a common-hall, Thursday the 3. of Iuly, 1645. / By Mr. Lisle, Mr. Tate, Mr. Brown, Members of the House of Commons: containing many observations upon the Kings letters, found in his own cabinete at Nasiby fight, and sent to the Parliament by Sir Thomas Fairfax, and read at a common-hall. Published according to order. Lisle, John, ca. 1610-1664.; Tate, Zouch, 1605 or 6-1650.; Browne, John, ca. 1581-1659. 1645 (1645) Wing T1121; Thomason E292_29; ESTC R200154 8,274 20

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you see you must stand to your Armes and defend your selves for there is no hopes for you unlesse you can submit your necks to the Queen and be transformed into Irish Rebels and Papists I know not how you can obtain any favour at Court especially having such a Mediator as you have a Parliament that is so hated by this King as long as that mediates for you you shall have nothing but if you can have a Popish Catholique Queen to sollicite in your behalf you shall have any thing I know you are too much Englishmen and Protestants to submit to such base conditions therefore lay aside all divisions and unite your selves in this Cause that you may be Masters of the Popish party that otherwise will kill you all Mr Browne his Speech MY Lord Mayor and you worthy Citizens of the City of London I shall not trouble you to repeat any of the Letters that you have heard read I doubt not but you that heard them do remember most of them only this I will say to you That for my part I know not whether we have more cause of joy or sorrow for this which this day you have heard Cause I know we have to be sorrowfull that things are so ill with us as they are and I am sure we have cause to rejoyce that things are now discovered and brought to light that have been so long hid in darknesse This day is a day of discovery heretofore those that spak those things that you have herad this day manifested unto you were accounted the Malignant partee they were termed Rebels they were suspitious jealous people without cause The Lords and Commons in Parliament they have heretofore declared their fears of the things that you see now proved Answers have been given to those fears with slights and scornes Things are this day discovered to you that were enjoyned to be kept secret by the strongest engagements the goodnesse of God giving successe to our Armie hath brought these things to light Before his Majesty departed from the Parliament the Lords and Commons by a Petition to him did present unto him their fears occasioned by the favouring of ●●●●sants their fears that he would bring in forraign Forces that he would change and alter the Laws they gave him their Reasons for all but he was pleased to give his Answer with denying all as they affirmed all For that of Forraign Forces because he gave a punctuall Answer to that I will tell you what it was When they told him that they were informed that the Popes Nuncio did deal with the French and Spanish Kings to send to him 4000. men a peece the King did Answer to them That it was improbable in it selfe and scandalous to him for which he desired reparation at their hands And at another time he Answers that very point concerning Forraign Forces positively and saith No sober nor honest man can beleeve that We are so desperate or so sencelesse they are his very words to entertain such a designe As to bring in Forraigne Forces which would not onely bury this Our Kingdome in distraction and ruine but Our owne Name and Posterity in perpetuall scorne and infamy You have heard what hath been said for that you have heard his own Letters how he deals with the Queen and how pressing he is with her to bring into this Kingdome the Duke of Lorraigne with his Army the Duke of Lorraigne you know is a Catholike Popish Forraigne Prince So you see how much he is altered from what he thought then and how his endeavours are now that both honest men and sober men may beleeve that hee would do it because he writes to her with such earnestnesse to pray her to do it for him For their fears of his making war against the Parliament of his alteration of Religion and Laws 〈◊〉 hath heretofore in his Printed Declaration expressed these words We do again in the presence of Almighty making war against the Parliament then against our own children that we will maintain and observe the Asts assented to by Vs this Parliament without violation and that we have not nor shall not have any thought of using of any force unlesse we shall be driven to it for the security of Our person and for the defence of the Religion Laws and Liberties of the Kingdome and the just Rights and Priviledges of Parliament And in another of his Printed Declarations he hath said God so deal with me and mine as my thoughts and intentions are upright for the the maintenance of the true Protes●ant Religion and for observation and preservation of the Laws of the Land And in another Declaration he saith That He is resolved not onely duely to observe the Laws himselfe but to maintain them against what opposition soever though with the hazard of his being And in his Declaration concerning his resolution to go into Ireland which is also Printed he calls God to witnesse the sincerity of his professions there made with this assurance That his Majesty will never consent upon what pretence soever to a toleration of the Popish profession there or the abolition of the Laws now in force against Popish Recusants in that Kingdome What could his Majesty have said more to satisfie his people Now compare his actions with his Declarations and compare his Letters to the Queen with his promise and protestations to the Parliament and you will say Quantum mutatus how much is his Majesty changed All that we have heard read we may divide into three parts The first concernes the Letters Propositions and transactions concerning Ireland The second the Letters from the Queen to the King The third Letters from the King to the Queene Concerning Ireland you have heard the Propositions made to the Queen for fending into this Kingdome diverse Irish Rebels under the Command of two professed Papists 6000. of them were to be under the Command of the Lord Glamorgan the Earl of Worcesters eldest son the other of 10000. under the command of Colonell Fitz Williams the terms that they were to come upon were read to you in the Propositions which themselves sent to the Queen You will not think that these came to maintain the Laws but to destroy them not to maintain the Protestant Religion but to overthrow it these Propositions being sent to the Queene and allowed by her and she sent them to the King For the Letters concerning Ireland they were written by the King to the Earl of Ormond who is now Governourthere in some of them Letters the King gives way to the suspending of Poynings Law I which was an Act of Parliament in the 10. year of Henry the 7. it was called Poynings Lavv because Sir Edvvard Poynings vvas Governour of Ireland vvhen that Lavv vvas made that Lavv made all Statutes that vvere before made in England of force in Ireland and the King may as vvell suspend all the Lavvs there as that Lavv by that Lavv of Poynings all Lavvs