your Majestie doth not see the foule dust which they cause to rise up into the aire with their feete I perceive it well said the King let us stay here for them in the meane time take your prospective glasse as the Constable did at Piquerox the better to know them afarre off And as the King walked somewhat aside the Marshall d' Aumont said Sir we shall speedily heare some newes for I see a carrabin among the mirtle trees that runs as fast as he can to get before his fellowes he seemes to be some harbinger or quarter master that seekes to come to the campe before the rest that he may take vp the best lodging but coming nearer they knew him to be a Iesuite that was sent in great haste by his Generall to perswade the King not to beleeue all that should be told him touching the lamentable state whereinto the affaires of France are now reduced and he was no sooner come to the King but on the other side Hautefontaine suddenly was at his heeles who had slipt out of the company that he might excuse himselfe touching the miserable disorder hapned in S. Iohn d' Angely And as soone as he spied the Iesuite he suddenly cried out and said What doth this Iannisarie here doth it not suffice his Societie to haue supported the authors of the diuision between the mother and the sonne but must he come hither also to trouble and disturbe the peace of the blessed What noise is that which I heare said the King Varenne made answer It is Hautefontaine that quarrels with this good father which even now came to your Majestie Hautefontaine said the King bid him come hither that I may speake with him Who coming to the King-presence he asked him who had sent him into these quarters By the Lord Sir excuse me said he if I do not sweare as the Huguenots do for I am angrie I am not come hither for mine owne pleasure it is true that I make no account of my life but I am halfe mad to see this Spanish Iannisarie presume to speake unto you after they have dealt with you as they have done and Catholikly set fire in the foure quarters of your sonnes Realme Why do you call them Iannisaries said the King Do not you know said Hautefontaine that the Turks Ianisaries haue neither father nor native country acknowledging no Lord but the great Turke so the Iesuites neither respect their country nor their parents but onely bend their mindes and all their studies to accomplish the will and desire of Yo el Rey their Soveraigne Lord and the better to effect his will and pleasure they haue troubled all Christendome and are the cause of the death of all these brave Knights which are now coming hither to your Majestie The King looking backe saw all those that had past over the river who all together began to kneele downe Are these moale-catchers or takers of Montauban said the late Admiral d' Anvile The King therwith sharply reproved him saying Hold you your peace this is no spectacle to be laught at and therewith his heart was so much grieved that he could hardly speake yet he refrained not to entertain them friendly and then particularly embracing the Cardinall de Guise the Duke de Mayenne and the rest of the Lords he prayed them to go and rest themselves and hauing eased their bodies awhile he would conferre with them at leisure and therewith he commanded Zamet to entertain them wel and so drew himself aside with his most confident friends untill the next day While the King spake unto them Hautefontaine stood talking with Beringhen touching the motives of the secret mysteries of Bearn and entred into so profound a discourse with him that they past over a great part of the night therein At last the King desiring to take some rest asked for Beringhen and answer being made That he was without walking with Hautefontaine He commanded that they should both come to him And turning to Hautefonte he asked him what occasions had moved them to rebell against the King his sonne saying hide nothing from me but speake boldly like a true Huguenot Sir said he if I should die once againe by a musket shot at me from the wall by a false brother of the companie I will tell you our affaires truly how they past and wil not lie in any point It is long time since we perceived that the Spaniard doubting the end of the truce betweene him and the Hollanders and that for the good of his affairs he sought to trouble France by some civill warre finding no better meanes then to make us wrangle among our selves with blowes of Pater nosters and Clement Marots Psalms his device from that time effected what it could and to give us matter and subject to enter into the field many things which your Majestie had formerly granted unto us by your Edicts were denied us The affaires of Bearn were brought in question as a countrey neare bordering upon Spaine his principall agents there dispersed a certaine quantitie of Medales for marks of Catholikes on the backe side having Iulius secundus The Marquis d' Ancre was no sooner slaine but du Vair Keeper of the Seales author of the assembly of speciall persons holden in Roane in the beginning of an 1618. caused that notable decree of the privie Councell for the restoring of the temporall goods and lands unto the spirituall persons in Bearn to be pronounced but the great difficulties touching this restitution caused the execution thereof to be delayed The Spaniard that stil sought to set fire on France caused the Bishop to trot up and downe Paris to have an end and order of their suite Thereupon our Ministers made a generall assembly in Loudun in the meane time we were undermined by all the malcontents in the Realme but yet they could not win us in any sort to estrange our selves from the fidelitie which we owe unto our King Luynes and his brethren fearing lest we should make a scape promised us in the Kings name that within six moneths the speciall points of our complaints should be answered and that in the meane time nothing should be innovated in the country of Bearn Vpon this assuraÌ„ce we brake up our assembly with promise by word of mouth that we should have leave to reassemble if that were not performed within the said time which was promised unto us But that word was not held with us but on the contrary we were mockt and without staying till the six moneths were expired your old servant de la Salle was driven out of Navarrens and at the same â—â—me the Iesuites were established in P 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 hereupon wâ— presented our most humble supplications to the King your sonne and in stead of an answer thereunto we had a flat deniall Whereupon wee assembled the Deputies to renew our complaint but without giuing them audience we were proclaimed Traitors Then we saw all the Transmontaine faction
blowes and blowes never met with them and that is it which Luynes Surgeon wrote to his wife that was in doubt lest her husband was slaine in the armie Wife take no care for me but be quiet feare nothing for I incurre no danger my Lord Constable doth me that honour to affect me much and to keep still neare unto his person Thus you see how those gallants are miraculously preserved and kept out of the danger of blowes while they cause others to lose their lives Our posteritie said the King will hardly beleeue that men of no degree and voide of all valour should in so short a time lay hold upon the government of France Sir said Pluninel I did neuer so easily with bit and bridle manage your Graces great horses in the stable without comparison as I have seene them manage all the Princes of your Realme What said the Marshall de Brisac was not Cadnet so bold as to threaten the Prince that he should not go out of Bois de Vincennes if he did not consent to give him the Princesse of Orange to be his wife who died for griefe thereof You iest said the King He hath done more then that said he for he was so presumptuous as to presse the Earle de Soyssons to give over the office of high Steward unto him The late Earle taking the word out of his mouth said If my sonne had bin wise he should have caused him to be well beaten for his impudencie You haue reason said old Courtenay if he had Rambure or such another Knight as he for his governer but he hath a blocke to be his schoole-master that knowes not what belongs to honour and courage and therefore those companions know with whom they have to do Let us enter into some other discourse said the King as I remember one of you told me that during all these businesses Luynes and his brethren carried their wives with them unto the warre and that they were with them during the important siege of Montauban if it were so it is very likely that their intent was no other but onely to make their battery under curtains At that word M. William gave a nod and said to the King Indeed my Lord you have often bin told that they play the Kings and that I acknowledge they have heretofore sitting by the fire heard how you in times past rid upon the League and those gallants would imitate you and thinke by riding their wives to ride upon the Huguenots but those wicked heretickes have knavishly ridden upon them before Montauban Whereat all of them began to laugh But the King enquired of the miracle of the Spie and much desired to know it and speaking thereof askt why after he had escaped in such maner he was not sent into the Towne to convert the inhabitants Faith of a gentleman said de Loppe that had bin no safetie for him for so the people might have hangd him up in good earnest God is strong every where said the King and can defend those that are his at all times and in all places but tell me who sent father Dominicke de Iesus Maria into France what maner of man is he And it please your Majestie said the Earle de Fiefque he is a holy man I yet have a portatise cloake that he gave me your Majestie will not beleeve what honour the Parisians did unto him and yet know not wherefore every woman cut off a peece of his gowne and he came thither onely to shew us that all the Spaniards are not Saracins and that there are some holy men among them If I had bin of the Kings Councell said the Abbot du Bois I would in counter-change have sent father Berule to Madril I am sure that the women of Castile would also have cut his fustian That were good said the Marshall de Fervaques if French cloth were as fine as Spanish cloth but if I were of the Councell as the Cardinall de Rets is and as forward as the Earle de Chomberg who is capable to redresse all Luynes faults so that he doth not joyne with forreine faction I would make the Spaniard know that he is not a better Catholik then I my selfe am and would keepe him from having secret intelligences with our Favorites to the great detriment of the Kings service and the Realme which goes to decay if remedy be not speedily had therein I confesse said the King that since I have heard of all the bad and perfidious practises which that gallant and his brethren have done and performed my son never knowing thereof my spirit hath bin in continuall perplexitie fearing lest they should destroy their good maister and great benefactor Sir said the Marquis de Villars the earth never bare more traiterous and ambitious villaines then they are they have bin so bold the last yeare to cause a Maske to be made in Burbon hall wherein they presented divers mysticall figures and among the rest a great Lady and divers Giants chained whom Luynes apparelled like Phebus drew after him whereof the greatest resembled the Duke de Mayenne upon whose head Luynes set his foote for a signe of servitude Truly said the Baron de Plancy he made another more impudent in the Castle of Piquerox for there perceiving the King to be grieved for the losse he had received by the death of the Duke de Mayenne he devised a litle Comedie to make his Majestie merrie wherein hee presented a great Moore making divers strange jestures and for that he resembled the Duke de Mayenne the King commanded them to leave and act no more Why said Luynes Because said the King that this man in all respects resembles the Duke de Mayenne I cannot endure to see it Truly Sir said he his death needs not minister cause of sadnesse to your Majestie for he was a turbulent fellow that troubled all your affaires you were no King as long as he lived we haue discovered and found out that he made a third partie and since his death we have found all his practises Thus this villaine alwayes sought to divert all the good opinion that his Majestie had of his servants and of all those of his blood He did another matter said the Secretarie of State for the Seales he was so impudent as to write vnto the Pope that the Queen mother was the cause that Montauban was not taken thereby thinking to cover his owne cowardlinesse from whence it may be conjectured how many false reports he hath made to the king your sonne seeing he was so bold to send such a message to his Holinesse You shall never have done Sir said the Earle de Lude if you will hearken unto all their arrogant actions who knowes them better then my selfe that brought them up as long as any of that race are neare about the King your sonne they will spoile all there being no kind of wickednes whereof they are not capable and aboue all things beleeve it
Sir my Lord the Prince may well offer a great candle unto God when he shall escape out of their hands your Majestie must foresee these things As the King was discoursing with the Lords touching the sorrowfull state of the affaires of France and about the meanes to remedie the same all the assistants partaking with the griefe of that good Prince on a sudden Monsieur de Vury breaking through the prease came to his Majestie and to comfort him said Corbien Sir you have sufficiently lamented the miseries of the time I must now make you merry a while by telling you that which I presently saw as I was hawking after a partridge along by the river side by chance I came to as merrie a combat as ever was acted upon the Theater de Tabarim in the place Dauphine Betweene whom said the King Your Majestie must know said Vitry that Marshall d' Ancre walking along by the river side with Dole when Charon set on shore the new Constable of France with his sword of say What said the King is he here Corbien said he he is there I assure your Grace I haue seene him and when I saw him I laught for ioy he hath the countenance of as notable a rascall as ever I saw But before I proceed further I must tell you of the pleasant salutation of these two combattants Marshall d' Ancre walking as I said before stood still to contemplate the proud gestvre of that new come guest and beholding his face he knew it was Luynes wherewith suddenly the blood rose in his face and he said to Dole Behold the traitor that caused me to be kild I will now kill him and without speaking any more words casting his cloake over his face went to meet with him and as soone as he got to him he gave him a great bob on the nose saying Traitor now I le make thee pay for thy villanie The Constable abasht thereat said You are deceived you mistake me for another I understand no Italian Pardieus I undestand French well Lay hand on thy sword said the Marquis Are not single combats forbidden here said the Constable Villaine said the Marquis thou art afraid and saying so he fell upon the Constable and gave him divers great blowes with the flat side of his sword in such maner that never any curtall jade was so well beaten The Archbishop of Sens that stood hard by them had a great desire to helpe him but he durst not go betweene them still remembring the blowes with spits which were given him in Tours by the Marquis de Noirmontiers cookes when he was Soliciter of his house and so for want of aide the villanous Constable was as well beaten as ever was Dieret Chiury when he imagined that the blowes with a cudgell which were given him were pistols shot for Marquis d' Ancre still laid on like Rovillac and Luynes cried out as loud as he could like Ronsselay at S. Germains Fayre which was the cause that Radamanthus Lackeys ran thither and laid hold upon those two champions intending to carry them before the ludge to be punished for their insolencies Marquis d' Ancre alledged that he was not the man that first brake the peace and spake them so faire that they let him go in the meane time du Travail came thither who fiercely laid hold on the Constables coller in such maner that I thought he would have strangled him but when he had set his foote vpon his belly and taken his sword from him he ran away leaving him there in a maner halfe dead saying nothing to him but onely Remember thy selfe Provinciall I that tooke pitie to see that Rodomond favorite so hardly used found the meanes that without taking the advice of de Modenne or de Contade I puld him slily out of their clawes and brought the gallant hither to make your Maiestie some sport Truly said the King you have done me good service let him come in that we may see that great Warrier and great Statesman all in one Whereupon Colonell Galatis with a das tich Gods sacrament caused the prease to open and therewith Vitry brought him in every man as well as he could fixing their eyes upon him to behold his physiognomie The Poet Desportes at his entring giving him a welcome according to his Art and speaking aloud said Give place give place to this companion Who while he liv'd was like a great Monarchus But being borne in Champianion In Poiteiou he was cut off by Parcus Being in the middle of the companie all of them began to crie saying The fox the fox wherewith you never saw villaine more ashamed and after silence was made the King askt him who he was I am said he the Constable of France your most humble subiect and servant Constable said the King by what title got you that office it is not aboue foure yeares since you were but a Falconer and in so short a time have you attained to so high a degree you have made great haste You must not muse thereat Sir said Haeren if hee had not put me out of countenance I had had as good fortune as he Hold your tongue said the King Parmafe and it please your Maiestie said M. William I could be well content to pay his breech with a whip full of points to be revenged on him for the pension that he tooke from me to give it unto de Mons his brother in law Truly M. William said Saroque you are misinformed to beleeve such things my Lord Constable was not so foolish to imagine that he could make that small matter of Province greater then it is notwithstanding that he is the most valiant man of them all for he alone tooke Montauban or else they of Montauban tooke him What extravagant words are these said the King give us leave quietly to hearken unto the mysticall discourse of this new conquerour Sir said the Duke de Mayenne he will but abuse you with words he is a perfect lyer command him to go directly to the matter otherwise I cannot abstain from giving him a blow on the lips at the first lie he makes With that the King turning to the champion said briefly unto him Heare you my Lord Constable made in haste abuse not my leisure tell me all your notable proceedings without dissimulation if you desire to finde mercie at my hands for your misdeeds all these gentlemen know your actions and the Earle de Lude that stands here is wholy acquainted with your life go directly to worke otherwise you shall finde Lugoly ready to give you your hire Sir said Luynes now I perceive well that I am undone In manus tuas commendo spiritum meum my processe is made and further all these noble gentlemen that are here will never pardon me for that as many Lords as are here about your Majesty are as many witnesses to convince me of all the perfidious actions that I have committed both against the one
the Marquis de Themines and the Duke de Mayenne also had bin slaine there besides 400 gentlemen of name and qualitie and aboue 15000 souldiers kild That touching the raising up of the siege he could say nothing for that the reverend father Dominique de Iesus Maria had there lost the subtiltie of his revelations and that there was none but the Duke de Branthe the Duke de Cadmet and the Duke de Luynes that were capable to take it but they were not men to expose their bodies in all enterprises because of the importance of their persons Are they Spaniards said the King They are said Villeroy the onely faithfull Counsellers to the King your son by whose advice all the Realme is governed Wherewith King Henrie the fourth scratching his head stood as if he had bin in a dreame and staying a great while without speaking a word at last sighing with a sad countenance and sorrowfull voice he said Alas now I see well that these men by litle and litle will vndoe my sonne and that that which my enemies could not do while I lived they will enforce themselues to effect it in his life time by the meanes of those three petie Kings Let search be made in every place to kuow if there be any of my old servants to be found among all those that have bin kild before S. Iohn Clerac and Montauban that I may discourse with them touching those lamentable things that are done in my poore countrey of France Truly said the Chancellor de Belieure euen now I saw almost 20000 persons of all sorts and qualities which stand on the other side of the river of Stix desiring to passe over but the Boate-man Caron refused them all vntill they have bin purged in the 〈◊〉 of Purgatorie They maintaining and constantly affâ—â—…ing that they were exempted from it because they haâ—…â—ost their lives before the heretiks forts according to the assurance given them in the other world by the Iesuites â—f Thoulouse and Bourdeaux and namely by father Russelay That grieves me much said the King I could be content to haue given 100000 crownes to marry the Nunnes in Paris vpon condition that this contention were ended I haue so great a desire to see some one Frenchman or other that might ease me of my care for the apprehension that I haue conceived of the troubles of the King my son of the Queene my wife and of my children Therewith the Baron de Liencourt stept forth and said to the King Sir your Grace is much troubled to know the truth of the affaires in the other world you need but direct your selfe vnto some Iesuites for they haue letters from all places I came but now from speaking with father Gontrie hee cannot chuse but know something if you will haue me enquire of him it may be my wife hath written him a word or two thereof No no said Samet those kind of people are too craftie and subtill the truth neuer comes directly out of their mouthes you shal know nothing that way I know a better way Caron the boatman is my friend he and I haue many times dranke together I will deale so well with him that for my sake he shall not make difficultie to suffer some Frenchmen upon my recommendation to passe over or else let me go over to them to heare what they can say touching your Graces desire Venture S. Gry said the King your invention is very good Wherewith M. Guilliaume who in the meane time stood attentively to heare that discourse began to say unto the King My Lord if you thinke it good I will gladly beare Sebastian Zamet companie and will aide him finely to passe over as the succours did into Montauban while he stands speaking with old Caron and then I will speedily make a journey to Louviers to know how â—ll fares there and whether the Normands are well coâ—â—…t to be bowles of Quillibeuf in recompence of their service I will not have you stirre from thence said the King you shall stand sentinell on the South side and onely marke when the Archduke Albertus shall leane off his Monks cowle Zamet dispatched away went to the river side where being arived he heard newes that the Cardinall de Guise was come thither with buls to cause all those to passe over that died as he did in that holy warre but that there was some dispute happened among those that stayed to passe over for which cause Caron would not let them passe for feare lest they should fight together while they were in his boate Thereupon Zamet to further the businesse gaue his advice that it was convenient to sprinkle all those that quarelled together with water of oblivion before they entred into the boate that so forgetting their quarels they might passe over peaceably This counsell was instantly followed but as things are full of crosses another controversie hapned after that betweene the said Cardinall and the Duke de Mayenne who should first go into the boate The strife was long which much displeased Zamet because it staid him from returning backe unto the King The dispute was maintained by reasons on either side The Cardinall said he died first and by consequence that he ought to go first The Duke denied not that but said hee was to be preferred before him because he had bin slaine in the Kings service and that the Cardinal died onely of sicknes The Cardinall replied that for Gods sake he had abandoned both wife and children and to proue it desired no other witnes but the Duke de Nevers and that he had not done so At last they stood vpon the difference of their degrees and qualities and for that the Church alwayes hath the preheminence it was iudged that the Cardinall should enter first into the boate as also because he had brought the buls to free them to passe over the river without going into Purgatorie and so all of them past over with this decree that those who thereafter should come from the siege of Montauban should enioy the like priviledge When they were set on shore on the banks of the Elizian fields Zamet recived and saluted them with both his arms about their middles jesting and sporting with them and assuring them that King Henrie the great would be exceeding glad to see them because of the desire he had to vnderstand the state of the affaires of France The impatience that troubled the spirit of that good Prince had moved him to walke with the greatest part of his old servitors to the side of the riuer to meete with Zamet the late Baron de la Guiche because he was very tall was he that first afarre off discouered that French troupe and said to the King S. Fiacre Sir I thinke these are the men of Montauban before vs they are a great number I wonder how so many brave men have suffred themselves to be made nestle-birds you will say that it is a great armie and I marvell that
to arise and the better to disguise the action in stead of speaking openly against the heretickes because that would have savoured too much of the old league it was reported in all places that we were not good common wealths men and that we had called the virgin Marie la Guimbard thereby to move all the Catholicks vnder that pretence to seeke revenge against all those that aided you against the leaguers And in truth Sir your Majestie may well note and perceive and so may all good Frenchmen likewise that they have assailed and spoiled none but those Townes which in time past served your Majestie for a retraict in the time of your greatest troubles witnes S. Iohn Nerac Clerac and the Towne Burbon de Montauban which beares the name of your house to shew how much they that caused it to be built were affected to your blood This in few words Sir is the history of France and Spaine I haue heard you well said the King but who thrust Luynes forward to destroy that which I haue made A designe to make himselfe great by our ruines and the decay of your state said Hautefontaine There is a great apparence thereof said the King call Vair unto me said he let me heare his reasons Beaulide-ruze go you and seeke him out That 's to no end said the Marshall d' Ornano for I haue heard that he is out of his wits for griefe that he had to have bin so unfortunate that he could not be at the funerall of the Chancellor de Sillery Let that Stoick school-master to Veron alone you have all these Lords and Gentlemen here Sir who will truly and plainly tell you the truth of the desolations of France to morrow in the morning saluting your Grace they will let you know more then you would know You say true said the King The next day the Marquis de Termes was the first that shewed himselfe when the King came out of his chamber who with a smiling countenance bad him welcome and then asked him for Monsieur le Grand and what Lords and gentlemen had past over the river with the Duke de Mayenne as also how many men were slaine in those brave enterprises made by the bucklers of France Sir said the Marquis my brother hath alwayes bin a most humble servant to your Majestie and so he is still unto the King your sonne and to all the blood Royall Luynes hath put him backe from deling with the affaires of the State and therefore he meddles not therewith Touching those that came with the Duke de Mayenne they are 400 gentlemen of good qualitie and about 2000 souldiers Shew me particularly the originall of so many mischiefes Sir said he the pride of three Falconers whom you placed about your sonne upon the recommendation of Varenne who stands there behind you are and will be the cause of the dissipation of your Crowne they haue won the King your sonnes fauour they do not tell him of the affaires of his Realmes but cleane contrary and as they would have him know it they have cleane altered the whole Court the Court is filled with their brethren brothers and sisters in law nephewes nieces cousins and allies and all sorts of rascals having driven out all your old servitors and those of the Queene mother it being most true that no man what or whosoeuer can haue accesse to his Maiestie but onely by their meanes they keepe the Prince brother to the King your sonne as their servant they haue laid hold upon the forces of the State drawne the treasures thereof cleane drie and in a word they governe all What said the King doe not the Councell speake against those disorders In truth Sir said de Termes they have changed both the Councel and the Counsellors Doth my wife endure that why doth she not oppose her selfe against it said the King Oppose against it said the Marquis if she should but once opē her mouth to speake against it they would presently clap her up in hold like the Descomans You iest said the King if I were she I would let them know that I am the Queene-mother Alas Sir said the Marquis if you knew how they have used her within these foure yeares and a halfe there is no slave but wold rather enjoy his condition then hers they have driven her shamefully out of Paris they limited her two yeares together to stay in the castle of Blois they pursued her by force of armes they haue made her follow their armie like a Lanceknights wife to conclude they haue in such maner made her subiect to their dominion that she dares not once complain of the rigor which they vse against her Doth the King my sonne know that said the King No Sir said the Marquis they are warie enough to let him know it on the contrary they seeke all the meanes they can to divert from her all the good affection that the King beares unto her still whispering him in the eare that she hates him that she seekes to make his brother King that she is an Italian and other diabolicall inventions to feare him without once putting him in minde that she is his mother or what love she doth beare unto him in that respect Those are three villanies said the King I would that Rapin had them under his hands in the place of execution but I wonder why the Pope doth not take on him to stop the courses of such sowers of diuision betweene the mother and the sonne it would be a great good for Christendome and an honour unto him It is hard said the Marquis to make an answer thereunto Sir yet I wil shew you what I have heard from father Raude a Charterux Monke a great friend to our house your Maiestie shall understand if it please you that at such time as those three brethren usurped upon the authoritie Royall they also ioyned with the body of the Societie of the name of Iesus for two causes and the Iesuites for two causes entred into league with them Luynes useth their helpe to get in the mony belonging to the Marquis d' Ancre which was in the Mount de Prete in Rome and in requitall thereof he promised to reestablish them in their colledge in Paris in despight of the Court of Parliament as he hath done and further he hath sent the Marquis de Quemere Ambassadour to Rome in the Kings name to solicite their reestablishment in Venice The Iesuites in recompence promised him that they would aide him in all things and in every place and that they would in such sort obtaine his Holinesse good will towards them that hee should be favourable unto them during their usurpation and that neither the Pope nor they would exclame in any sort against the bad dealing which they should offer unto the Queene mother and it is certaine that his Holinesse never wrote any thing thereof neither makes any complant against the insolencies of those Favorites On the contrary the