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A16795 The reasons vvhich Doctour Hill hath brought, for the vpholding of papistry, which is falselie termed the Catholike religion: vnmasked and shewed to be very weake, and vpon examination most insufficient for that purpose: by George Abbot ... The first part. Abbot, George, 1562-1633. 1604 (1604) STC 37; ESTC S100516 387,944 452

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hominem and so Tremelius out of the Syriake A viro haretico And the ordinary English hath it even as the Rhemists put it without varying a title in the whole verse A mā that is an heretike after the first and second admonition avoide another English Reiect him that is an heretike after once or twise admonition And I thinke it be not to be found but where 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is in the Greeke we put it p Act. 24. 14. 1. Cor. 11. 19. Gal. 5. 20. 2. Pet. 2. 1. heresie And if at any time there hath beene put for an heretike an author of sectes it hath beene to no other purpose but to expresse the nature of the word to make it plaine to the people what is meant by an heretike that is an inventor or a follower of some strange sector opinion in Religion to which peculiar vse the Ecclesiastical writers haue applyed 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 from a more generall vnderstanding amongst all the olde Grecians Here it may be noted once againe that you Papists make no conscience in charging vs with any thing whatsoever that maketh for your purpose For if it bee in our bookes as cleere as the Sunne to the contrary yet your people must not looke into our writings so to disproue your falshoode that is inhibited vnto them Whereby it appeareth that you not only do your best to send your ghostly children to hell but the glory of it is they must goe thither blindfolded At this b●…ck you now haue them T. HILL AS for their owne name vvhereby they tearme themselues Protestantes which name they take from certaine Lutherans in Germany who first named themselues so differing and dis-agreeing altogither from the Protestants in doctrine it is newe and never hearde of before in the world and of the same quality and condition that the name Zwinglians is of And therefore I conclude with the saying of Saint Hierome If any where thou heare them which are said to be of Christ to be Advers Lucif Chryso in Act Hom. 33. Iust. in Tryph. tearmed not of our Lord Iesus Christ but of some other as Marcionites Valentinians Hil-brethren or Field-brethren bee thou sure that they are not the Church of Christ but the Synagogue of Antichrist G. ABBOT I tolde you before that absolutely we challendge no name but Christians which is full out as ancient as the time of the q Act. 11 26. Apostles but Zwinglians you in your malice tearme vs as also Protestants with a contempt Yet this latter appellation was not begunne by you but arose vpon an accident at Spires in Germany There in a r An. 1529. Diet the Duke Electour of Saxony the Marques of Brandeburge the Lantgraue and some other Princes and Citties of the Empire did make solemnely in writing a s Sleidan Hist lib. 6. Protestation against a ●…ecree or Edict made in preiudice of the reformed Religion wherevpon for distinction sake in cōmon speech the name of Protestants which is the Prosters was given vnto thē By your former rule this cannot be an evill name since it is not taken frō any man or from the author of a sect but it arose from an action there first thought necessary to be done with those circūstances Whence it may be no marveile if that title arising from that action were never heard of in that meaning before And since that time those who are ready to vse the like Protestation vpon the like cause or doe approue of that their wise and Christian course there do not refuse to be called as they were in some sense not simply for some respects not absolutely but most of all for difference sake from you against whō the Protestation is to be made Yea and custome having so prevailed we do in writing speaking promiscuously vse the word Protestants as we do Religiosi or Reformata Religionis homines or Evāgelici not boasting in these titles as you doe to be called Papists but only admitting of thē for customes sake to make a distinction between vs you both tearming our selues Christians Now that we altogither disagree in doctrine frō the Protestants in Germany is not so much ignorāce in you to avouch as malice For you know sēsibly feele it that we right-wel agree with thē they with vs in displaying of Antichrist his Indulgēces his Pilgrimages his Orders of Religiōs in oppugning the Tridentine Councell which is the new-erected Capitol of Popery in that excellēt Article of Iustificatiō by faith only and in breefe in all matters of moment saving the point of Consubstantiation in the Eucharist which yet also thousands in Germany doe deny and whereof I shal haue occasion to speake farther s Ration 〈◊〉 afterward But the hatred which you do equally beare vn to thē vnto vs for the same respects doth shew that we ioine in serving the same Christ discovering the same Antichrist Your cōclusiō thē which you draw out of S. Hierome maketh nothing against vs nether doth ought that you intimate out of In. Martyr or Chrysost. They speake of heretiks who take both their name doctrine frō men alone nothing at all from God whereas first we are Patients and not Agentes when the name of any man is set vpon vs this is not by our selues delighted in And secondlye our doctrine is not from any creature but onlye from Iesus Christ and his word to whom we cleave and sticke as to a rocke and regard none who bringeth any thinge contrarie therevnto And so for this boute I leave D. Hill putting him notwithstanding in minde that he is so studious a sectatour and so faithfull a scholer of M Bristow that without varying a letter he citeth the place of Hierome word for word as his maister doth when Montenses and Campitas might for his credit sake and to have had a little variety beene as well translated Hill-men or Field-persons as after that sorte that he doth put them But there Hierome as it is most probable alludeth to the Montanists whom with a kinde of ierke he calleth not Montanists but Montenses for their loose life rather Campitas as being fitter to tumble in the fields then to shew themselves on the mountaines which also is collected by a learned t Marius Victor in Annotat. super Hieronim man vpon that place 7 HOwsoever some other simple flourishes are here made by M. Doctor yet the substance of his second Reason is this that the Romanists are called the Catholikes therfore they are the true Church which Argument is no better then a very vaine ridiculous thing For who doth not know that evil persons have good names as 〈◊〉 Adoni-z●…dek the king of Hierusalem 〈◊〉 Ios. 10. 1. who was an Idolater a Tyrāt had a name signifying the Lord of iustice or the iustice of the Lord one who was a grievous persecutour of the