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A13767 A triple antidote, against certaine very common scandals of this time which, like infections and epidemicall diseases, haue generally annoyed most sorts of people amongst vs, poisoned also not a few, and diuers waies plagued and afflicted the whole state. / By Iohn Tichborne, Doctor of Diuinity, and sometimes fellow of Trinity Colledge in Cambridge.. Tichborne, John, d. 1638. 1609 (1609) STC 24064; ESTC S118413 94,709 132

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Saint Iude seemeth to imploy vers 22. 23 commaunding to put this wise difference taking pitty of some and pulling othersome out of the fire according also to that generall rule which may be the ground of both these answers 2. Cor. 13. v. 10 God hath giuen this power to saue and not to destroy and so vpon Mat. 13. v. 29. the learned haue obserued three bad kinds of Excommunication comparatiuely to those eradications there spoken of Festinata Suspitiosa Damnosa which they thus expound namely damnosa Excommunicatio quando multitudo est in causa vel princeps nisi fuerit causa manifesta redundans in iniuriam ecclesiae as Saint Augustine obserueth the same quod aliquandò sunt tolerandi mali pro pace ecclesiae quando timetur de schisenate adding aliud est quod docemus aliud quod sustinemus For so may this Excommunication be well and fitly likened vnto a sword or physick which are neuer to be vsed but vpon great occasion and when those that haue skill how to vse them see it fit and needfull especially for this strongest kind of potion as I may so terme it which onely is to be vsed in desperate diseases And therefore the gouernours of the Church immediate ministers and awarders of this censure respecting with a wise eye and foresight when this physicke and last remedy may be profitable behouefull obserue many times that milder meanes of more graue and temperate admonitions and increpations to serue turne towards some persons to whome being wise as the prouerb is a word may be sufficient and many times better then this great blowe of Excōmunication Which further no immediate minister thereof vnder Christ priuately or more publickly in any state-administration is bound continually and without respect or difference to denounce and put in vse and execution but as they shall find and iudge it most profitable for that whole Church wherein they are Iudges and Commissioners or that speciall person or persons who may incur and deserue the same which being once discerned and vpon sufficient and mature deliberation resolued vpon it ought to passe against all that liue in the Church princes or potentates as well as others without respect of persons except onely which is the last reseruation in this case with strong hand they be openly withstood or iustly feared so to be which in another kinde was Dauid his case sometimes when in his wise foresight and most iust griefe and godly indignation withall he cryeth out 2. Sam. 3. cap. vers 39. The sonnes of Zeruiah are too strong for me Lastly I answer to the second part of this grand obiection that in respect of the last kind of Excommunication which we called for distinction sake Ciuil so far soorth as this censure hath beene at any time strengthned immediatly by ciuill Lawes and authority or the gouernours of any Church themselues haue had any delegate power committed vnto them for that purpose no chiefe Magistrate howsoeuer he be termed in monarchicall or any other state is any further subiect to it then as himselfe who is the fountaine of all externall power and such kind of proceedings shall thinke good for any iust cause and respect eyther of his owne good or peace or well ordering of his state to submit himselfe thereunto as the manner of our Kings of England is and euer hath beene in matters of common iustice to yeeld themselues to the order of Lawes as well as other their subiects and so are many times impleaded in their owne courts which if they should refuse no humane power by Gods word hath any authority to bring them into order either of any of those Ciuill courts or those other which for the constitutions and processe therein we haue called Ecclesiasticall Quest 2 The second question and obiection is framed by the selfesame Authors and sundry others peruerted rather then instructed by these masters why this censure of Excommunication and the key of all Ecclesiasticall iurisdiction in generall is not common to euery minister but made proper and peculiar to Bishops their Chancellors and Officialls or any other to whom more improperly in their iudgements it doth appertaine To which I answer that so far foorth as this Excommunication seperateth any from the inuisible Church it equally still belongeth to euery minister of what degree and guift soeuer as well as the administration of the word and Sacraments which are outward meanes in like manner to testifie vnto any their communion or separation from the true Catholike Church which is onely seene of God but for the other two later kinds of Excommunication which are properly politique and exercised euermore by some company liuing vnder forme and order of Lawes as all other of that nature they may no more properly or conueniently belong vnto euery minister then that euery Citizen should be Ruler and Magistrates at the least in free Citties or that euery Counsellor or Lawyer should bee Iustice of peace or that euery one should be the master father or first borne and so beare all kind of rule in euery familie Whence it is that Christ himselfe Math. 18. referreth matters criminall and of politique consideration such as no priuate meanes could reforme first of all to the Church Discipline by which as we haue aboue noted nothing els can be meant then that power in whose hand soeuer for orders sake and better execution by the designment and appointment of any particular Church it may rest by which any person or persons shall in the name of the same Churches proceede in this censure or any other of the like nature as we reade of Saint Paul 1. Cor. 5. v. 4. and 2. Thess 3. v. 14. writing to a certaine company to bee gathered together amongst the rest of the Corinthians for this end and purpose to take knowledge of such criminall and other kindes of causes which might require any such Ecclesiasticall censure and more speciall to the Thessalonians willing disordered persons to be noted by some letter or Epistle as worthy to be deferred to some further knowledge and iudgement as without which such noting and all other Ecclesiasticall obseruing were to smal or no purpose Wherefore the same Apostle 1. Cor. cap. 12. v. 28. speaking of all Church affayres and publique administrations maketh some to be Gouernours as well as others to be pastors and teachers of Gods people Sic 1. Tim. 5. v. 17. verè ruling Elders sensu vero genuine And herein neuer as yet did any iudicious Diuine stand much vpon it whether these Church Magistrates be termed Bishops Elders Chauncellors or by any other such like name or degree which the Church and chiefe Magistrate shall put in trust and commission for these administrations so long as the things themselues and the substantiall poynts for all Ecclesiasticall proceedings be allowed and maintained by euery chiefe Magistrate as they are proper and euen essentiall to any well ordered Church and necessarily required by Gods