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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A39222	Sir Iohn Eliot his grave and learned speech spoken in the high court of Parliament desiring an orderlie proceeding in matters of religion and that it may not be onely disputed of but firmely established as it ought to be : expressing the misprision and errour whereby; Grave and learned speech spoken in the High Court of Parliament desiring an orderlie proceeding in matters of religion	Eliot, John, Sir, 1592-1632.	1641 (1641)	Wing E501; ESTC R8658	3,120	9

SIR IOHN ELIOT HIS GRAVE AND LEARNED SPEECH Spoken in the High Court of PARLIAMENT Desiring an orderlie Proceeding in Matters of Religion and that it may not be onely disputed of but firmely established as it ought to be Expressing the Misprision and Errour whereby his Majesty is traduced by evill Members about him And the great danger of over-whelming that we were in by the Bishops Articles and their Proceedings Exhorting to maintaine our King Country and Religion even with the sword against all Opposers With a Motion propounded for laying downe of the Grounds wherein the Arminians and wee differ SIR JOHN ELIOT HIS Grave and Learned Speech in Parliament I Have alwayes observed in the proceedings of this House that our best advantage is in order and I was very glad when that noble Gentleman my Country-man gave occasion to stay our proceedings for I feare it would have carryed us into a sea of confusion and disorder J having now occasion to present to you in this great weighty matter of Religion I shall be bold to give you a short expression of mine owne affection and in that order that I hope will conduce to the effecting of our worke and direct our labour to an end To enter into a particular discussion of the writing of the opinion of the Divines I feare it will involve us into a Labyrinth wee shall hardly get out and perchance hinder the way and darken the path in which we must tread Before we know what other men have declared it is necessary wee should presently lay down what is the truth And as I presume we come not hither now to dispute of religion farre be it from the thoughts of this church that have thus long continued and confessed now to dispute Shall posterity think that we have enjoyed our Religion fourescore yeares almost and are now doubtfull of the sense God forbid It may be Sir out of something lately delivered I have not unnecessarily collected that there is a jealosie conceived as if wee went to deale in matters of Faith it is our profession this is not to be disputed neither will that truth be receded from this long time held nor is that truth decaied It is confirmed by Parliament because it was truth And in this before J shall come to deliver my self more particularly give me leave that have not yet spoken in this great cause to give some apprehensions that J have of few for it is not in the Parliament to make a new religion nor J hope shall it be in any to alter the body of that truth we now professe I must confesse Sir among all the feares we have contracte● there ariseth to me not one of the least dangers in the Declaration which is made published in his Majesties name And yet notwithstanding this Conclusion exclusively let me say that I may not be mistaken that either in that or other things shall appeare to carry mention of his Majesty We have not the least jealousie in him we have that comfort in his piety and goodnes as if there be any misprision or 〈…〉 is by those Ministers about him wch not onely 〈◊〉 but all Princes are subject unto And to cleere that Princes are subject to misinformation and many actions may bee intituled to their owne names when there is no suspition of it to be done by themselves but give mee leave to looke back to presidents of other times and what I find in other storyes may be usefull in these Antiochus of Asia sent Letters unto his Provinces if they received any dispatches in his name not agreeable to Justice Ignoto se literus esse scriptas ideoque non parerent I find by Plutarch of the great King Antiochus of Asia who saith that Princes are obnoxious to abuses of Ministers and it could not at all times be prevented therefore he sent Messengers that Letters or Dispatches sent in his name that were not warrantable by Law and agreeable to Justice should not be conceived to bee done by him and therefore they should not give way unto it Sir I find another booke and I beseech you let it be apprehended for I hope I shall cleere some misprisions Gratian did not onely note and confesse the same but added the reason also which the Masters of the Civill Law can also testifie from their bookes wherein it is thus expressed Quod inveretundia potentium in instigation● principes saepe restringuntur ut non concedenda concedant because that oftentimes with importunity of Ministers those about them Princes are drawne to grant things not fit to be granted As it was in that so it may be in this I speake it to this end to draw this conclusion that if there bee any thing that carryes the title of his Majesty it may bee the fault of his Ministers far be it from me to have any suspition of him And now to that particular in the Declaration wherein I confesse it is an apprehension of more feare then I have in all the rest for in the rest of the particulars we heard what was said of popery and Arminianisme It is true our faith and religion is in danger but it is by degrees Here Sir like an inundation doth breake in at once that we are in danger to be ruined overwhelmed For I beseech you mark the ground of our religion it is contained in the body of these Articles If there be any difference of opinion concerning the sense and interpretation the Bithops Clergy in the Convocation have power admitted them to do any thing that shall concerne the continuance maintainance of the truth professed which truth being contained in these Articles and these being different in the sense so as if there be any dispute about it it is in them to order which way they please and for ought I know to Popery or Arminianisme may be a sense introduced by them and then it must be received Js this a sleight thing that the power of religion must be drawn to the persons of these men J honour their profession and honour the persons but give me leave to say the truth what wee professe is not mens but Gods And God forbid man should be judg of that truth Look upon the conclusion they have made and from thence J draw their Arguments J remember a Character I have seene in a Dyary of Edw. the 6. that young Prince of famous memory wherein he doth expresse the condition of the Bishops and Clergy of his time and saith under his owne hand-writing that some for sloath some for age some for ignorance some for luxury and some for Popery were unfit for Discipline and Government Sir I would it were not so with us nay give me leave to vindicate the honour of those men that openly shew their hearts to the truth There have bin Bishops such who were fit to be made examples to all ages who have shone in vertue like those two faithfull witnesses in heaven of whom we may use that Elegy which Seneca did of Cami●s that to their memory and merits Ne hoc quidem obstet quod nostris temporibus nati sunt To whose glory I may use the saying others faults are no prejudice to their vertue who are so industrious in their works But that ours now are not such so free sound Orthodox in religion as they should be Witnesse the man nominated lately I apprehend such fear that should it be in their power we may be in danger to have our religion overthrown but I give this for testimony And thus far to expresse my religion against all the power or opposition of these men or whatsoever opposition shall be we shall still maintaine that religion we professe for that we have bin born and bred in nay if cause be in that to dye Some of these Sir are Masters of Ceremonies and they labour to introduce new Ceremonies into the Church I hope wee should draw our swords to defend our Prince Country and religion against all Opposers This I speake out of the care I have to preserve the honour of our King against them who by these Innovations I feare have fought to undermine it But to come to the manner and method of our proceeding having made this expression wherein if I have transgressed the rule propounded I crave your pardon I desire to avoid confusion and distraction and that wee may goe presently to the ground of our Religion and lay downe that rule wherein all others rest and when that is done it will be time to take into consideration the Breakers and Offenders against this rule in the next place for before wee have laid downe that our worke will be in vaine Therefore lay downe the profession wherein we differ from Arminianisme and in that I shall be ready to deliver my opinion And this is my humble Motion FINIS