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A05172 Divine and politike observations nevvly translated out of the Dutch language, vvherein they vvere lately divulged. Upon some lines in the speech of the Arch. B. of Canterbury, pronounced in the Starre-Chamber upon 14. June, 1637. Very expedient for preventing all prejudice, which as well through ignorance, as through malice and flattery, may be incident to the judgement which men make thereby, either of his Graces power over the Church, and with the King, or of the equity, justice, and wisdome of his end in his said speech, and of the reasons used by him for attaining to his said end Theophilus, fl. 1638. 1638 (1638) STC 15309; ESTC S108356 57,625 70

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account with Your selfe too Arch. ● And not to measure your peoples love by the unworthinesse of those few For a loyall and obedient people You have and such as will spare nor Livelyhood nor Life to doe You service And are joyed at the heart to see the Moderation of your Government and your constancy to maintaine Religion and your Piety in Exampling it As those that feare prejudice to Religion by the P●elates craft and unlawfull ambition Observ. are his Majesties most faithfull subjects and most to be trusted unto in a defence of his soveraignty against the Pope and Spanyard and all forreyne enemies of his greatnesse so are they for loyalty love the chiefe men to be trusted unto in the defence of his Majestie and of the publike against the prejudices which Prelates ambition avarice and artifice may breed to the quyet of the Church or State by the dangerous Practises of Papists Atheists and discontented persons within the Iland And as I thus beseech You for your People in generall Arch. ● so doe I particularly for the three Professions which have a little suffer'd in these three most Notorious Libellers Persons It cannot be made appeare that any of the three Professions have suffered by any act of the defendants Observ. done against the Kings honour benefitt or power but by practise of his Gr Counsell of the command which he adviseth his Majestie to lay upon the reverend Iudges not onely law and reason but the Kings honour likewise would mightily suffer For howsoever it is very consistent with justice and his Majesties goodnes to putt whatsoever he thinketh fitting to the deliberation of ●he reverend Iudges yet to prescribe them what to resolve is not compatible with his Majesties wisedome and honour And seeing it seemeth as well compatible with Episcop●ll dignity as it is with appearance of reason and moderation for Bishops to convent in a legall way before the reverend Iudges in those Courts where Bishops are no members such as affirme that their keeping Courts issuing Proces●es in their owne names are acts against the Statutes Lawes of our Countrie and seeing a Sen●ence of the Iudges in such course after hearing the reasons allegations and answers of both parties could not but shew more considerate more just and more legall then any decree or resolution of Iudges for obedience of his Majesties peremptory command without any hearing or citation of parties it is very strange to see that any greatnes of power in Church or State should have made so wise a man as the Archbishop to adventure to advise the K. to ordaine his Iudges to publish a resolution and declaration repugnant to Statutes and acts of Parliament which many understanding men affirme to be standing unrepealed especially seeing in consultations even about cas●s wherein there is nothing determined by Parliament it is a derogation both to the liberty competent to a Counsell and to the Majestie of a lawfull Soveraigne to prescribe or command their resolutions This d●sire of his Grace may happen to breede a suspition in most part of his loyall subj●cts in Scotland that it was his G● Counsell that made his Majestie in Parliament a● Ede in 1633. expresse what he would have them resolve in some cases put to voicing in his owne hearing and to discountenance and with his owne Royall hand write in a note as disaff●ctioned to his service the names of all those that voted not as his Highnes required whereby his Majesties honour as well as the liberty due to a Parliament did suffer in the opinion of his best subjects in that nation Meane while seeing upon the 12. of June it was ordered by his Majesties High Court of Starr-Chamber that the opinion of the Iudges should bee taken in the particulars which hee desireth his Majestie to cause them resolve and publish it seemeth strange that i● this Epistle Dedicatorie of his Gr most reverend speech pronounced two dayes thereafter his Gr willeth his Majestie to cause them resolve what is here craved for as it seemeth not to be pertinent to crave that his Majestie command the Iudges to deliberate or consider the matter after he hath done it so the matter being r●ferred to their consideration it seemeth not pertinent to desire his Majestie to cōmand what he will have them to resolve but leave it to their science conscience to declare what they judge to be lawfull in the case unlesse there bee som● prerogatiue not obuious to sence nor bounded with any reason either for his Gr desire or his Majestie command of such resolution ●r●h-B And for Physicke the Profession is honourable and safe And I know the Professors of it will ●emember that Corpus humanum mans body is that about which their Art is conve●sant not Corpus Ecclesiasticum or Politicum the Body of the Church State or Common-wealth Bastwick hath been hold that way But the Proverbe in the Gospell in the fourth of S. Luke is all I 'le say to him Medice cura teip●●m Physitian heale thy s●lfe As mans body is that about which the art of Phisick is conversant observ so the G●spell and mans spirituall good by the preaching of it not Corpus Physicum aut Politicum is that about which the art and calling of Churchmen ought to be conversant For albeit I can hardly agree to Erasmus where he writeth that as Crocodilus anceps animal nunc in terris nunc in aquis degit in terra ponit ova in aqua pr●edatur insidiatur ita qui aulici sunt Ecclesiastici utrobique pestilentes Yet I dare not but reverence the judgement of so learned a man where he writeth Quemadmodum mulus ex equo Asino conflatus nec equus est nec asinus ita quidam dum a●lici esse volunt Ecclesiastici neutrum sunt And yet le● me tell your Majestie Arch-B I believe hee hath gained more by making the Church a Pati●●t than by all the Patients hee ever had beside There is no Bishop that hath not gained more by conversing in matters Politicall and plying the wayes of Courts Observ. and by working upon the trust they gett sometimes with good Princes sometime with weake subjects then any of them hath ever gott by labouring in the word and doctrine for which the Apostle saith double honour is due to C●urchmen wh●me he designeth by the name of Presbyteri Sir Arch-B both my selfe and my Brethren have been very coursely used by the Tongues and Pennes of these men yet shall I never giv● your Majestie any sower Counsell I shall rather magnifie your Clemencie that proceedeth with these Offenders in a Court of Mercie as well as Iustice Sinc● as the Reverend Iudges then declared you might have justly ●alled the Offendors into another Court and put them to it in a way tha● might have exacted their Lives for their stirring as much as in them lay of mutinie and sedition Seeing