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A88972	An answer by letter to a worthy gentleman who desired of a divine some reasons by which it might appeare how inconsistent presbyteriall government is with monarchy. In which the platforme of that government is briefly delineated, with the tenents and suitable practices thereof. And withall it is demonstrated, that it is inconsistent with any government whatsoever; is full of faction, sedition and treason; an enemy to all peace, domesticall, neighbourly, brotherly, &c. against soveraigne authority, authority of all iudges, and iudicatories, entrenching upon all so farre, as there can be no liberty of person, trade, commerce or propriety, but at their pleasure who bear sway therein.	Maxwell, John, 1590?-1647.	1644 (1644)	Wing M1377; Thomason E53_13; ESTC R20000	49,076	82

regard the King had made defection from the true Religion He being the nearest of the blood should come and take the Government upon him I know the just Copy of this Letter is extant to this day They runne to Armes the word is The Sword of the Lord and Gideon The good King was in the place of Iustice the prime of the Octavians with him hearing something of the uproare and tumult by a secret passage he and some other goe up to the Exchequer house overhead A great Lord was head of the Congregation he and some others came Commissioners to the King were admitted demanded those ●●tavians to justice The King askes this Lord how durst he against His authority His Lawes His Proclamation keep unlawfull meetings at Edenburgh for the King before had discharged the meeting of those Commissioners of Assemblie or any other meeting whatsoever without his Royall warrand The Lord with courage in zeale to a good cause told the King that he should see ere long they durst to doe more The Lord or some other taketh hold of one of the Octavians Gowne who was President of Session but he pulleth his Gowne out of his hand and conveyeth himselfe downe to the house where the Lords did sit in judgement In fine the King and Lords were forced to shun the danger of this tumultuarie insurrection to close up the doores and some to stand with their swords drawne if any should offer violence to break up the doores Some good Subjects especially Alexander Home of Northborvick for the time Provost of Edenburgh and Roger Mackmath whom King Iames ordinarily called His Bailie with others well disposed and Loyally affected Subjects and namely the Hammer-men rise up in Armes for the King who partly by smooth words and partly by threats husht and housed the Factious and Seditious The King came out of the place of Iudicatorie and on foot attended with many Nobles Gentlemen and other good Subjects came to His Pallace at Halyrude-house in Peace where immediatly in the afternoon he convened his Privy-Councell and by his Wisdome and Authority so repressed and punished that insolencie that all the time of His Raigne the like Barbarous treacherous course was never attempted I hope you are the more apt to believe this when you remember what a Petition or Declaration was presented to Queen Elizabeth at Green●●ch anno 1582. to remove from her Service and Trust such as they know were not well affected to the Religion and Church Sir I could make it appeare how all Seditions almost and Rebellions in that Kingdom have been set a foot or fomented by this Government Presbyterian How neighbourly Feudes have been encreased and entertained How Moneys collected for the reliefe and support of Geneva were by the chiefe Gamaliels and Presbyters interverted employed to raise and pay Souldiers to ayde and assist the Earle of Bothvell and his complices in Rebellion against the King I feare I have wearied you already the Subject is everlasting and I am weary of it If I should give account of the late practices and tenets of this late Covenant it were possible to let you see that it hath farre exceeded all the mischiefe ever their forefathers did although they tread in the same footsteps The reason why I have spared it is not I feared it I hope to discover it sometime to the World by anatomising it fully Next I hope you have espyed the Noble passages of it and are sufficiently confirmed that nothing can be more destructive of Monarchie and the Peace of any government To shut up all give me leave in the close to give the Articles of their Apostaticall Creed inconsistent with Monarchie which they hold as the twelve Articles of the Apostolicall Symbole I will touch onely the prime of those for for their other Articles they are so many and of so vast an extent abounding in Negatives that as King Iames saith well he that would keep them is not able to keep them in his Braine but must keep them in a Table Booke The Articles of the Dogmaticall Presbyterian Faith inconsistent with Monarchie 1. AS I have said before They Preach and maintaine that the Church is the house of God the civill Policy and Government are onely the hangings 2. Next they beleeve all Ministers are pari consortio honoris potestatis praediti that there must be a parity in the Church Ioyne these two together and you have a faire way for Democracie 3. They vindicate to themselves and their Consistory a soveraigne complete universall independent power in all things spirituall that concerne Salvation they have not onely the directive power but the Legislative also and all temporall things in order to Salvation and Religion come within the verge of their Scepter All soveraigne Power wheresoever you fixe it whether in one as in a Monarchie or in few as in an Aristocracie or in many or all by vicissitudinarie turnes have onely the Executive power to doe as they command and is bound to preserve by it's Power Lawes and Armes their sacred and celestiall Priviledges and Soveraignty 4. Whatsoever Lawes civilly enacted by King or Parliament they conceive to be against the Lawes of the Kingdome of Christ by their native proper intrinsecall right immediately derived from Christ they may repeale and make voyd discharge the Subject to obey them They may decree not onely different Lawes of their owne from the standing Lawes of the Kingdome but contrary contradictory and destructive of them And have withall so much coactive power that if obedience be denyed to the Lawes of this Soveraignty they can destroy the Soules of the Subjects by delivering them over to Satan 5. No Minister Preaching in Pulpit Sedition or Treason or railing at King Councell the prime Iudges is accountable or punishable by King Parliament Councell or any Iudicatory whatsoever But from all he may appeale to the Sanhedrim and Consistorie as the sole and proper competent Iudge 6. What Corroboration or civill Confirmation or Sanction they demand of the King which he is able to doe civilly for they will give him no formall interest in any sacred or religious thing He is bound to Grant it and to obey them as Christ's immediate Vice-gerents otherwise they may Excommunicate him 7. Reformation and preservation of Religion especially to prescribe the way and Orders for Reformation is solely theirs 8. The King is bound to put their Orders in Execution but if neither He nor His Councell nor His Parliament will doe it the Inferiour Iudges the Nobles the Commons nay every individuall man to his utmost power at their direction are bound to doe it 9. That they may without warrant of supreame Authority Assemble where and when they will for God and Christ's cause and for the Liberty and Peace of Subject and Kingdome in ordine ad spiritualia and there they may Covenant together sweare and subscribe for the glory of God the advancement of Religion and conspire and combine

are students in Divinity or Country Schoole-masters or such youths who are bred with some Gamaliel who after that they have given their private trialls by Preaching and dispute are enrolled Expectants of such or such a Presbyterie These must keep their turnes in Exercising and adding as they call it with the actuall Ministers so they call them and once admitted to that Presbyterie may whensoever employed Preach in any Parish Church within the bounds of that Presbyterie doe all Ministeriall acts except Baptize or give the Sacrament of the Lords Supper for ought I know there is no Consecration used by them in that holy action but a meere thanksgiving nay they may be constant helpers and Copreachers with a Rabbie if hee the Parish and Presbytery agree to it I pray you shew me where ever you read of such a profanation that a Lay-man without Orders Imposition of hands shall be a publique Preacher of God's word and intrude upon this Sacred Function These for the most part were the Beardlesse Boyes King Iames of blessed memory mentioneth in the conference at Hampton Court Who would brave him to his face pag. 4. Within one County there may be two or three more or fewer Presbyteries according as there be more or fewer Parish-Churches and yet all these Presbyteries are independant one from another only it is remarkable that the Presbyterie of Edenburgh because as they speak it is seated on the Watch-Tower hath well nigh obtained by custome and other meanes a Superintending power over all other Presbyteries and other Presbyteries many times send thither to have resolution of their difficult cases The reason is besides the eminency of this City by its wealth and the residence of all highest Courts of Iustice there although this Allobrogicall brood maintaine Parity there be notwithstanding some few Patriarchs who rule and over-rule all who Lord it and Pope it over the Lord's Inheritance and in this City ordinarily are some of these Patriarches and the Responsa prudentum from hence are received as Oracles by remote Presbyteries and reverenced as answeres by Vrim and Thummim There is none who liveth within the verge of a Presbyterie but is answerable to this Classis and Iudicatorie and must appeare whensoever or for whatsoever cited The King and His family are not exempted nor priviledged if He be cited and appeare not He may be excommunicated for His disobedience and contumacy If He appeare He must submit His earthly Scepter to that their Scepter which they terme the Scepter of Christ He must doe what is enjoyned The Presbyterie is independent from the Crowne of an earthly King who is Gods and Christs Vicegerent in the generall Kingdome of His providence only But this Sanhedrim is Christs vicegerent in His oeconomicall Kingdome as Mediator as they speake and consequently to it He must vaile His Crowne submit His Scepter and from it receive Christs Law and Ordinances King Iames of blessed memory knew this well who therefore in that Conference at Hampton-Court pag. 79. saith A Scottish Presbyterie as well agreeth with a Monarchie as God and the Divell then Iack and Thom and Will and Dick shall meet and at their pleasures censure Me and my Councell and all My proceedings Then Will shall stand up and say it must be thus Then Dick shall reply and say nay marry but we will have it thus And therefore here I must once reiterate my former speeches the King is answering to D. Rainolds who seemeth to begge of His Majesty a Presbyterie or some thing like to it Le Roy s' avisera Stay J pray you for one seaven years before you demand that of me and if you then find me pursey and fat and my Wind pipes stuffed I will perhaps hearken to you for let that Government be once up I am sure I shall be kept in breath then shall we all of us have work enough both our hands full But D. Rainolds till you find that I grow Lazie let that alone It is more than notoriously knowne to many yet living and is upon Record in the Presbytery Bookes of Edenburgh how King Iames not once but many times hath sent men of Honour and good quality demanding or rather requesting for some things at their hands who have heard the Commissiones propose the King's mind But they to keep the power and place Christ hath given them in that dignity suitable to so high a trust have dismissed the Gentlemen sent by the King without answer and by an Order of that Spirituall house have appointed one or two as Commissioners of the Presbytery to goe to the King with their will and pleasure loosing no thing of Christ's authority and carrying themselves with the King almost as if two free Estates or two free Kings had met and were dealing together As no person is exempted from obedience and submission to this power so no crime or sinne whatsoever committed or suspected to be committed within the Seignorie of this pettie Principalitie And that sometimes is so extravagantly and transcendently too look't after and called in question especeially if indiscreet zeale or holy Spleen work and move by the Spirit on a holy Brother that if there be a fact and fault committed secret or knowne to very few it is brought forth to the light of the World There is no care taken to reconcile the Lapsed to God in a private way and to conceale his offence but disgraced he is publiquely What sound repentance this may worke judge you How consonant this is to the Apostolicall Canon They that sinne publiquely rebuke publiquely and to the common Maxime of the Church de occultis nonjudicat Ecclesia he may easily see who hath not divorced himselfe from common sense and reason To cure these secret sinnes by the power of the Keyes in interiori foro conscientiae and to cover them with the mantle of Charitie smelleth rankly of auricular Confession Popish absolution and Sigillum confessionis See the conference at Hampton-Court pag. 93. It is certaine a foolish man revealing foolishly his faults to his wife the zealous wife upon some quarrelling betwixt her and her Husband hath gone to a good Minister revealed what was told her and the honest impartiall Minister hath convented the man charged him with his sinne and made him confesse satisfie and doe pennance publiquely Nay upon a surmise suggestion suspition or any misinformation if the Minister or Lay-Elder delate that is present two persons to converse so familiarly that it is to be feared that they are guilty of fornication if they be unmarried or of adultery if both of them or either of them be married they shall be cited and convented examined by all proofes presumptions interrogatories c. whether or not they have sinned If that the presumptions be pregnant although no proofe be they shall be put in close prison fed on bread and water kept that none may come at them all Members Constituents of these Iudicatories

good men to oppose or moderate this course as to a man to stop a current of a flood after a great inundation of raine with his foot There is another trick of policy too whereby the Apostles of this province advance their own credit that the wisest of the Nobility and Gentry see who are the active and doing men and having their particular interest many times both in the publike and their own private they make their addresse to these Popes gaine them to their course and strengthen themselves by the Spirituall Sword to distu●be the publike or to gain their private ends whether right or wrong When the Commissioners from hence returne to their severall Presbyteries they intimate to them to command the particular Ministers to Preach in their parishes Doctrine tending to the advancement of those designes and this is so much obeyed that the Minister of the Kings family or Parish must sing the same song although it concerne the King in His Honour or in that is most deare to him and be to the prejudice of his Person Soveraignty and Government These {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} these prime men of God are attended and honored so by the subtle and cunning Nobles and Gentlemen that they are well nigh deified in their comming to and fro to Assemblies Presbyteries or upon other occasions the most eminent of the Province wait upon them entreat them to come to their Houses set them at the head of the Tables by my Lady provide for them the best chambers And that you may know howsoever they pretend Parity that it is protestatio contra factum never Bishop in Scotland hath come into Cities with such Convoyes been attended with such great personages as some of this holy Brotherhood It is to this day remembred that when Mr Robert Bruce came from his visitation in the West or South returning to Edenburgh and entring by the Canon-gate King Iames looking out at His Window in His palace at Halyrude House with indignation which extorted from him an Oath said Mr Robert Bruce I am sure intends to be King and declare himselfe heire to King Robert the Bruce If you would allow me upon this to digresse I beg to be bold to tell you a true story the most insolent I beleeve you ever read or heard When Q. Elizabeth was waxed old K. Iames bethinking how to come at the peaceable possession of that Right God and nature had entitled him to after her death resolving to recall pardon the Earles of Angus Huntlie and Erroll who at that time were banished and beyond Seas feared if by himselfe and his Soveraignty he should doe it because they were professed Papists he feared the Church would except against it and move his Subjects to Sedition and Rebellion yet the Noble men were most able to strengthen him and doe him best service in the Kingdom To prevent this mischiefe he sent one of his trusted and worthie Courtiers to Mr Robert Bruce one of the Ministers of Edenburgh who at that time had great sway in the Church desiring him to come to His Majesty about some businesse of high concernment Mr Robert did come The good admirable King welcomed him more then courteously took him into his Retiring or Bed-chamber Spoke powerfully to this sense M. Robert I have sent for you to have your advice in a businesse of great weight concerning the Peace of Scotland and England and which concernes me in Right and Honour most nearly Q. Elizabeth my Sister and Cousin is sick and cannot live long you know I have God's and Nature's Right to that Crowne I cannot loose it in Honour or in Iustice and yet my prayer to God is that I may come at my Right without any blood I know there is some Faction in England against me but my friends are more prevalent there It concerneth me in the poynt of Prudence to provide that there be no Faction and division in this my Kingdom of Scotland for if this Kingdome be all one way for me in hearty obedience and Subjection the disaffected party in England will be better advised then to worke me trouble to their great disadvantage Now saith the best and wisest of Kings I feare nothing but that these three Noble men beyond Seas because of their forfeiture may be wrought upon by Papists encouraged and enabled by them there and the English Papists who are most against my comming to the Crowne of England knowing I am a sound Protestant to come hither and trouble Me and the Peace of this Kingdom Doe you not think it fit that I give them a pardon restore them to their Honour and Lands and by so doing so gain them that thus I may save the effusion of Christian blood To this demand so piously made the answer was Sir you may pardon Angus and Arroll and recall them but it is not fit nor will you ever obtain my consent to pardon or recall Huntlie To this the most gratious King sweetly replied Mr Robert it were better for me to pardon and recall him and not the other two then the other two without him 1. First because you know he hath a greater command and is more powerfull then both of them 2. Next you know I am more assured of his affection to me for he hath married my deare and neare Kinswoman the Duke of Lenox his Sister His rejoynder was Sir I cannot agree to it The King out of the great depth of His wisdome and prudence and His transcendent goodnesse concluded thus M. Robert I have imparted my most secret thoughts to you first before any and to you only I am so confident of your zeale and good affection to Me and My Honour that I entreat you to think upon this matter a day or two and after your better thoughts and Prayers returne to me and tell me clearly what you think Thus was he dismissed with as much respect as the King could give to any of His highest Subjects The truth is at this time this man had more power in Edenburgh then the King and his credit there had a mighty influence upon all His Sect and many in the Kingdom within a day or two he Returnes to His Majesty yet if I be informed right not till he was called upon When he entred the Kings Presence-chamber the King took him in to a secret retiring roome as before made the doore be shut and speaketh to this sense Now M. Robert I hope you have thought more seriously upon that weighty businesse I proposed to you the last day and have prayed God to direct you and Me both tell me then what you think of my purpose and resolution concerning those three Noblemen He returneth this answer Sir the more I think of it the more I am confirmed in the advice I gave to you the last day I agree with all my heart that you recall Angus and Arroll but for Huntlie it cannot be The King resumed