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A92768 A sea-cabbin dialogue, between two travellers lately come from Holland Translated out of Dutch; and dedicated to all those who desire to understand things rightly. 1652 (1652) Wing S2166G; ESTC R230267 35,605 66

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and Femall the which he did doubtlesse with an intent to the end that the Femall should be of use to the man and therefore in my minde it may justly be expected that even this Femall Creature ought to be of a publik use in a well setled Government and to beare a fit part in the Common-Wealths concernments that excepted which is not allowed of in Israel not for the whore keeping Sonnes of Israel Capt. Marry I like very well of your Proposition in case they be kept out of the Pulpits and out of the seates of Judicature remember I pray you your Alice Pierce and that some of them doe but too much exercise the patience of men Freeze Truly there have been Prophetesses amongst them and our Lord Jesus Christ himself preferred some Women even before his Apostles for that unto a woman he manifested the truth of that great good which he had wrought for all mankinde Women we see would not leave him they held him fast by his feet they ceased not to kisse and wash them with their tears they followed him even unto his death Nor would they depart from the grave before they had found him Women have instructed and admonished men and Women may be thought fit to admonish one another at select times in pious meetings Capt. I doe confesse that it would be more decent that they should reveal their faults to each others then that they should as the Papists fill the ears of Priests with those infirmities who do alas steal upon them through the charms and crafty insinuations of wicked men when as by their imparting of those slips unto Priests it doth for the most part happen that as then the saying is fulfilled They confesse to the Devill who makes the sinner worse then she was before Freeze Wise and Pious Widdows as also such women as have left off childe-bearing and childe-breeding and who have such under them as are capable to look unto their house-keeping might be imployed in severall directions and functions proper to their Sex as the Hollanders have several Establishments whereof women are the directours as women had in former ages the mannaging of great undertakings Capt. Let not them order dances Freeze Such dances as Miriam Aaron's sister with all the women and maidens of Israel did dance could not be amisse and which I would have both men and women to practise but let us break off now I pray you for that after dancing its fit to betake ones self to rest Capt. Stay yet a while I pray you for that I have something more to move concerning women and the settling of the Law Freeze You may finde much of the first in Charls Gerbier's Elogium Heroinum and in Mr. Hugh Peters his Good work for a good Magistrate by the latter of which most cases concerning Religion Mercy and Justice may be regulated in the Common-wealth of England In the first as I say you will finde severall observations note-worthy touching the usefull and laudable qualities in Women In the second you will meet with all those particulars which are to be minded by all those who intend to attain unto a great deal of quiet by a short cut In the first you will meet with many notable examples of the learning and wisdome of women of their constancy and courage of their chaistity of their abilities to govern he moreover tels you how that Ceres Queen of Sicily was the first that taught people to live under laws that Valasca Queen of the Bohemians governed her Estates without the Councel or advise of any men he tels you also of the Piety and Religiousnesse of women on the proofs that Mary Magdalen and Martha her sister did preach the Gospel of Christ amongst the Illirians and converted all its inhabitans how that the Sara's were devout the Maryes humble and pacified persons The Elizabeths Religious observing all the Commandments of God blamelesse the Priscillas heavenly and rich in discourse the Bathesbis Loyses and Eunices carefull in the instructing of their Children in the knowledge of God and finally how that Catharina Alexandria being under the Tyranny of Maxcentius was illuminated with divine knowledge from above and constantly maintained the faith of the Gospel Secondly you shall in Mr. Hugh Peters his short cut to a great quiet find that work for a good Magistrate which may stand with Religion Mercy and Justice without which there can be no good settlement nor any Moddel framed whereby all men may be found to observe Peace the main securing whereof must be setled by the framing of a good Conscience whereby the grand enemy of order will be kept out and debarred Capt. Why truly I must needs confesse that I have found so many truths recorded of worthy women in the said Elogium Heroinum as that I greatly marvell how so many injurious Pamplets have been published against them in England Secondly I have found so many observable things in the good worke for a Magistrate as that I cannot perswade my selfe but that if those particulars which are therein mentioned were setled here in England this Nation might be justly termed a happy one indeed in the which short cut if you observe it there is also a specification how a good number of Women may be very well imployed Finally It s my conceite that in case that honest Book the Bible be laid before those who shall be ordained to prescribe Rules and Lawes as then we shall no more stand in need of those Catterpillers called Attornies and Solicitors for that as then all men may be confident of a short cut to a great quiet as also that the Cheat will thereby be confounded to some purpose Freez I must needs tell you that ere long you may see somewhat in Print on that subject in the interim I shall believe that the condition of the English Nation will be the more answerable unto the essence and constitution of a Common-wealth whereas there shall be a Law whereby the old Norman Law shall be extinguished that every man shall have liberty to debate his own case before such honest men as shall hear them gratis Capt. Since you mention the word Gratis I must aske you in the first place whether you would not have three kind of men to act gratis viz. Ministers Judges and Physitians Freez Yes indeed that I would that is to say I would have the State to maintain the Ministers the Judges and the Physitians Capt. But what say you to the Law it selfe unto Clyents and their manner of addresses Freez Why marry I would have the old Law first of all to be so deeply interred as that it should never rise again except at dooms-day when as the corrupt Lawers themselves shall be brought to their Tryall without any Habeas Corpus or reprieve at all Secondly I would have this Common-wealths Judges to be such as that the Scripture phrase might be applyed unto them viz. For that now Saints shall judge the world