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A07964 Maria triumphans Being a discourse, wherein (by way of dialogue) the B. Virgin Mary Mother of God, is defended, and vindicated, from all such dishonours and indignities, with which the precisians of these our dayes, are accustomed vniustly to charge her. N. N., fl. 1635.; Anderton, Lawrence, attributed name. aut 1635 (1635) STC 18331; ESTC S102869 83,816 338

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impossibile apud Deum omne Verbum Neither is there any repugnancy with reference to the Creature seing there is no hinderance or contradiction why euen in the same moment of tyme the Rationall soule might not be created by God and withall replenished with Grace Which point we belieue was actually performed in the Creation of the Angels of the soule of the first Parent much more in the Creation of the soule of Christ Mariamastix I grant indeed It is not repugnant to the absolute Power or Will of God to preserue any from Originall sinne Yet it is repugnant once admitting that diuine and immutable Decree by the which God hath ordayned that if Adam had not sinned all men should haue beene conceaued being indued with Originall Iustice but if Adam did sinne then they should be conceaued in wickednes and should by Nature become the Sonnes of Wrath. Mariadulus This your Answere is insufficient The Reason being because that diuine decree is so to be vnderstood as that if Adam should haue sinned all men who did take their origen from him through force of their Conception should stand obnoxious to sinne neither should they haue any title to that Iustice the which they had receaued in their first Parent Notwithstanding it followeth not that through force of that decree God should de●riue himselfe of that power but that he might out of his owne Mercy and singular Priuiledge really preserue any one from sinne For not only Sinne but also death did redound from Adam into all Mankind yet who doubteth but that God could make and effect that some one or other man should not dye at all Thus much in solution of your former Reply Now from the Premisses we may gather that it was in the power of God to preserue the Virgin Mary free from all sinne and to make her holy and iust in the first instant of her Creation And that God actually would so preserue her it may be made probably demōstrable from those Reasons by which S. Thomas in 3 part quaest 27. Artic. 4. proueth that it was conuenient and best seeming that the mother of God should be free from all actuall sinne The Reasons are seuerall and these following The 1. Reason is because as well the Honour as the Ignominy of the Mother redoundeth to the sonne The second In that the sonne of God who is the Wisdome of the Father did as it were inhabitate in the wombe of the Mother after a most peculiar and wonderfull manner but it is said in holy Scripture In maleuolam animam c. Wisdome cannot enter into a wicked hart nor dwell in the body that is subi●ct vnto sinne Wisd 1. The third Reason Because the Mother of Christ hath a singular affinity and coniunction with Christ himselfe But what agreement can be betwene Christ and Belial The fourth Because that testimony of the Heauenly Spouse ought to be accomplished and fulfilled in the B. Virgin Tota pulchra est amica mea macula non est in te Thou art all fayre my loue and there is not any spot in thee Cant. 4. The fifth Seing God did decree to aduance the B Virgin to so supreme dignity that she should excell euen the Angells themselues therefore it was most sutable and agreable that no priuiledge should be conferred vpon any pure Creature which was not conferred vpon the B. Virgin except such a priuiledge were repugnant to the Condition state Nature or Sex But to be sanctifyed in the first instant of Creation was giuen to our first Parents As also to be sanctified in the first instant of Creation and neuer to be polluted with any sinne was giuen to the holy Angells But this priuiledge is in no sort repugnant either to the Condition state Nature or Sex of the B Virgin Therefore it is a pious thing to belieue that the Mother of God did not want this Priuiledge Truly these former Reasons do no lesse proue that the Mother of God ought to be free from actuall sinne then if so it could be effected from Originall sinne yea more from Originall sinne then from actuall Veniall sinne seing Originall sinne doth more defile the soule and subiecteth both the body and soule to sinne then Veniall sinne can do Thus much of these Reasons probably prouing the Immaculate Conception of the holy Mother of God Mariamastix These your Reasons Mariadulus howsoeuer you set the best glasse vpon them that you can are no more preuay ling if so much in my iudgment then the Reasons produced to the contrary by me And thus supposing them both to be placed in one Scale or Ballance of equality neither is your doctrine herein any thing aduantaged nor myne preiudiced But ascend if it please you to other proofes I meane to the Fathers if any such you can alledge those Fathers to wit whom you Papists call the Centinells of the Church in the firster tymes and from whose ioynt-consent though they were but men and therefore subiect to Errour in matters of doctrine to swarue and decline you account it no lesse then Impiety Mariadulus I will obserue your imposed Method And accordingly I will precisely restrayne my selfe especially for greater breuity to three of those foure Fathers who liued within the first fiue hundred yeares the acknowledged Periode of the Purity of Christs Church and who 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and for Honours sake had the peculiar title giuen them of being called The foure Fathers of the Church I will begin with S. Austin who thus writeth lib. de Natura Gratia Excepta sancta Virgine Maria c. Excepta sancta Virgine Maria c. Except the B. Virgin Mary of whom by reason of the honour of our Lord when I dispure of sinne I ne●er speake For we know that more grace was conserred to her euery way to o●ercome sin●e who conceaued and brought him forth whom to haue no sinne is euident Mariamastix This authority I hould to be but impertinently alledged seing it being truly though not literally vnderstood of Actuall sinne you will needs ra●ke and tenter the words to Originall sinne With such penury of good proofes you labour as that for want of better you are forced to descend to these poore shifts Mariadulus Obserue the words of this authority with a diligent eye then you shall fynd no iust reason of this your vnkind exprobration Therfore euen to dissect this aut hority more particularly First whereas S. Austi●● sayth that he neuer maketh any question of the B. Virgin when he speaketh of sinne he intimateth in these words to make no question of her when he speaketh of Originall sinne Secondly whereas S Austin addeth that Grace was conferred to ouercome all sinne in any māner or euery way how could these his Words be true if the B. Virgin ●●re contaminate with Originall sinne Lastly whereas S. Austin professeth to haue no question of the B. Virgin when he discourseth of sinne and this propter honorem Domins for