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A51741 A reformed catechism. The first dialogue in two dialogues concerning the English Reformation / collected for the most part, word for word out of Dr. Burnet, John Fox, and other Protestant historians ; published for the information of the people in reply to Mas William Kings answer to D. Manby's considerations &c. ; by Peter Manby. Manby, Peter, d. 1697. 1687 (1687) Wing M388; ESTC R30509 77,561 110

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comfort or discomfort This Remorse argues that he seared the danger of them whom he had seduced from the Faith of Christ Let this move you even at the last point as your Case is not unlike to Berengarius so let your Repentance be like his unless you will according to the hardness of your Heart treasure up wrath against the day of Wrath. Well what is it then perhaps shame to unsay what you have said may hinder your return But Saint Paul St. Cyprian and St. Austin thought it no shame to repent and agree with the Catholick Church You will say perhaps your Conscience will not suffer you But what Conscience is it that would separate you from all the rest of the Christian World to a liberty which hath no ground in the Holy Scriptures If you judge this liberty to be good then you judge all Christendom to do evil besides your self O what a presumptuous Opinion in this whereupon to forsake the Church of Christ what is your colour or pretence for this the Abuses of the Church as though in your Church there were no Abuses yea that there were And if you forsake the universal Church for Abuses why then do you not forsake your own Church and so be flitting from one to another if you had seen Abuses the way to reform them was not to make a defection from the Catholick Church He is not a good Chirurgion who for a little pain in the Toe would cut off the whole Legg Ye are like Diogenes who upon a time envying the Garments of Plato said Ecce calco fastum Platonis Plato answered Sed majore fastu But some peradventure have animated you to stick to your Tackle bearing you in hand that your Opinion is good and that yee shall dye in a good Quarrel and God will accept your Oblation But hear what Christ faith if thou come unto the Altar to offer thy Oblation and knowest that thy Brother hath ought against thee leave there thy gift and go and be reconciled to thy Brother and then come and offer thy gift This he said to all the World to the end they might understand upon what terms their Offerings should be accepted Remember therefore before you offer up your Offering what not one Brother but many Brothers even all the Church of Rome and Church of England have to say against you I say no more than what the Church hath allowed me to say The Sacrifice that is offered out of the Church is not profitable The Premises therefore considered for God's sake I say Memor esto unde excideris age paenitentiam prima opera fac Cast not your self away Spare your Soul Spare them also whom you have seduced and let not the Blood of Christ be shed for you in vain harden not your Heart submit to the received verity of all Christendom stand not too much in your own conceit think not your self wiser then all Christendom besides leave off your unjust Cavils and believe as the Catholick Church Believes and Teaches you perswade your self that extra ecclesiam non est salus And thus much have I said of Charity if this poor Exhortation of mine may sink into your head and take effect with you then have I said as I would have said otherwise not as I would but as I could for this present Fox page 650 651. The Bishop of Glocester having ended his Speech Doctor Martyn takes Cranmer in hand viz. These two Princes meaning Philip and Mary finding this noble Realm perverted from the unity of the Catholick Church and perceiving also that you do persist in your detestable Errors have made their humble Request unto the Popes Holiness Paulus IV. as Supream head of the Church under Christ declaring to him that whereas you Archbishop of Canterbury and Metropolitan of England at your Consecration took two solemn Oaths for your due Obedience to the See of Rome to become a true Pastor of the Flock yet contrary to your Oath and Allegiance instead of unity have sowed discord instead of Chastity Marriage and Adultery instead of Obedience Contention and instead of Faith ye have been the Author of all Mischief The Popes Holyness considering their Request and Petition hath granted to them that Process should issue against you And whereas in this late time yee have excluded both Charity and Justice yet hath his Holyness decreed that yee shall have both Charity and Justice shewed unto you Also the King and Queens Majesty have appointed us Doctor Story and Me their Attorneys Wherefore I here offer my self as Proctor in the Kings Majesties behalf I exhibite certain Articles containing manifest Adultery and Perjury Also Books of Heresie made partly by him partly set forth by his Authority and here I produce him as party principal to Answer to your good Lordship A. Before you go further I desire to understand upon what account they laid Treason to his Charge B. In his Tryal set down at large by Fox you shall find him Answering or rather evading all the other particulars of Heresie Incontinency Perjury but scarce a word of defence as to the matter of Treason A. What should be the reason of that B. You must know that Edward VI. dying in the year 1553. all his Privy Council the chief of the Nobility the Mayor and City of London these are Foxes words almost all the Judges and chief Lawyers of the Realm Justice Hales only excepted Cranmer and Ridly Bishop of London conspired to advance the Lady Jane Grey and exclude their lawful Sovereign the Princess Mary eldest Daughter to King Henry VIII Their grand pretence being that otherwise the Protestant Religion could not stand and having Proclaim'd Lady Jane the Lords of the Council writ a Letter to the Princess Mary dated July 9th 1553. a Copy whereof you may see in Fox 3 Vol. Cranmer Subscribing the first Man. The Letter begins thus Madam We have received your Letter the 9th of this instant declaring your supposed Title to the Imperial Crown of this Realm For Answer whereof this is to advertise you that forasmuch as our Sovereign Lady Queen Jane is after the Death of our Sovereign Lord Edward VI. a Prince of most noble Memory invested and possessed with the just and right Title in the Imperial Crown of this Realm you surcease by any pretence to vex and molest any of our Sovereign Lady Queen Jane her Subjects c. A. How does Burnet Apologize for this B. Nothing at all for this Letter which is too palpable and too unfortunate to admit of any colour He confesses the Archbishop of Canterbury was the first Man that Subscrib'd it A. But I have heard that he refused to set his hand King Edward being yet alive to certain Articles for Disinheriting the Daughters of Henry VIII after they were signed by all the Privy-Council all the Judges and chief Lawyers except Justice Hales B. Take the account of it thus fairly out of Burnet Dudly Duke of Northumberland
finding that nothing went so near the King's Heart Edward VI as the ruin of Religion which he apprehended would follow upon his Death when his Sister Mary should come to the Crown upon that he and his party took advantage to propose to him to settle the Crown by his Letters Patents on the Lady Jane Grey then newly married to Guilford Dudley Northumberlands fourth Son how they prevailed with him to pass by his Sister Elisabeth who had been always much in his Favour I do not so well understand But the King being wrought over to this on the 11th of June Mountague Chief Justice of the Common-Pleas Baker and Bromly two Judges with the King's Attorney and Solicitor were commanded to come to Council There they found the King with some Privy-Councellors about him The King told them he did now apprehend the danger the Kingdom might be in by the Succession of his Sister Mary So he ordered some Articles to be read to them of the way in which he would have the Crown to descend They objected that an Act of Parliament could not be taken away by any such Device yet the King required them to take the Articles and draw a Book according to them They asked a little time to consider of it So having examined the Statute of the first year of his Reign they found that it was Treason not only after the King's Death but in his life time to change the Succession Secretary Petre in the mean time pressed them to make haste When they came again to the Council they declared they could not do any such thing for it was Treason And all the Lords should be Guilty of Treason if they went on in it Upon which the Duke of Northumberland who was not then in the Council Chamber being advertised of this came in great Fury calling Mountague a Traitor But the Judges stood to their Opinion They were again sent for and came on the 15th of June The King was present and somewhat sharply asked them why they had not prepared the Book as he had ordered them They answered that whatever they did would be of no force without a Parliament But the King said he would have it first done and then ratified in Parliament and therefore required them on their Allegiance to go about it and some Councellors told them if they refused to Obey that they were Traytors This put them in a great Consternation and Old Mountague thinking it could not be Treason whatever they did in this matter while the King lived and at worst that a Pardon under the great Seal would secure him consented to set about it if he might have a Commission requiring him to do it and a Pardon when it was done both these being granted him he was satisfyed The other Judges being asked if they would concur did all agree being overcome with fear except Hales But Cranmer still refused to do it after they had all signed it and said he would never consent to the Disinheriting of the Daughters of his late Master Many Consultations were had to perswade him to it but he could not be prevailed on till the King himself set on him who used many Arguments from the danger Religion would otherwise be in together with other Perswasions so that by his Reasons or rather Importunities at last he brought him to it NOTE The Doctors excuse for this unjust Act of Cranmers importunity the same that naughty Women are said to pretend for their Incontinency If he did this only as submitting to his Princes importunity how came he after King Edward 's Death to Subscribe the aforesaid Letter And to do both after he had said he he would never consent to the disinheriting of King Henry 's Children The Reader may now understand the reason why he answered little or nothing to the Treason objected to him by the Bishop of Glocester because there was too much Truth in it And methinks this excuse which Burnet makes for him does him no service namely that he stood off a good while but at last with much a do was perswaded into this Conspiracy against K. Henry 's Children How does this answer the Character which Fox gives of him in causes pertaining to God and his Prince no Man more stout no Man more constant then he But whether he was in reality so unwilling to this Action is a question which the indifferent Reader may easily resolve Since he could not but apprehend that Queen Mary would call him to an account for the troubles he had brought upon her Mother and indeed upon the whole Church and Kingdom of England For amongst all the English Bishops anno 1533. King Henry could not find such another Person as Burnet confesses to serve him in the See of Canterbury Now as for Mountague Chief Justice of the Common Plea's and the rest of the Judges who at last consented to the advancement of Lady Jane Grey you may observe them scrupling the matter not out of Conscience but apprehension of the Law. All that they desired was to be indemnified from the danger of Law. A. Now go on to relate how he acquitted himself of the other particulars laid to his Charge Heresie Perjury Incontinency B. Although he answered nothing to the Bishop of Glocester concerning the point of Treason yet I remember somewhat in Fox which he reply'd to Doctor Martyn the Queen's Proctor viz. I protest before God I was no Traytor but indeed I confessed more at my Arraignment than was true Martyn returns that is not to be reasoned at this present you know you were condemned for a Traytor Fox page 653. 3 Vol. A. Is there no more in Fox as to that point B. Not a word more that I can find A. Then proceed as to the particular of Heresie B. John Foxes words are these As for the matter of Heresie and Schism wherewith he was charged he protested and called God to witness that he knew none that he maintained But if that were an Heresie to deny the Popes Authority and the Religion which the See of Rome hath published to the World these later years then the Apostles and Christ himself taught Heresie and he desired all then present to bear him witness that he took the Traditions and Religion of that usurping Prelate to be most false erroneous and against the Doctrine of the whole Scripture That he is the very Antichrist so often preached of by the Apostles and Prophets For it was most evident that he had advanced himself above all Emperors and Kings of the World whom he affirmeth to hold their Estates and Empires of him as their Chief and to be deposed at his good Will and Pleasure That he hath brought in Gods of his own Framing and invented a new Religion full of Gain and Lucre. This Enemy of God and of our Redemption is so evidently painted out in the Scriptures by such manifest Signs and Tokens that except a man will shut up his Eyes and Heart against the