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A47820
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Citt and Bumpkin in a dialogue over a pot of ale concerning matters of religion and government
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L'Estrange, Roger, Sir, 1616-1704.
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1680
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Wing L1216; ESTC R15090
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Cause if you can but produce any One Material Point which he hath either Falsify'd Palliated or Omitted in the whole Proceeding But to be plain with you Citt One of the Authours of your Preface is a Common setter a Forger of Hands a little spy upon the Swan in Fishstreet a Hackny Sollicitor against both Church and State You know this to be true Citt and that I do not speak upon Guess so that Calumny and False Witnessing is the best part of that Authours Trade And then the pretended History is a direct Arraignment of the Government He takes up the King and Council Pag. 381. reflects upon the Iudges in the very Contents and elsewhere he descants upon the Duke of York in opposition to the express sense and declaration of the Bench Pag. 145. and has the confidence yet to Dedicate this Gally-mawfry of audacious slanders to the Two Houses of Parliament There is little more in the whole then what has been eaten and spew'd up again Thirty times over and the intire work is only a Medly of Rags and Solaecisms pick'd up out of Rubbish and most suitably put together Citt. You may take his part as ye please But there 's a Famous Lecturer charg'd him Publiquely for Popery in his Answer to the Appeal and for falling upon Dr. Lloyd True He did so but at the same time that Lecturer found no fault with the Appeal it self and the best on 't is his Tongue 's no more a slander then his Pen And whoever reads what he has written concerning the Late King and the Episcopal Church will think never the worse of L'Estrange for what he says Now for the Reverend Dean of Bangor I dare say he never spake or thought of him but with Veneration Let me see the book Look ye here 't is pag. 18. in L'Estrange's Impression and 't is pag. 15. in this and here 's the Point Their Loyalty and Good service paid to the King says the Appealer speaking of the Papists was meerly in their own Defence Now see L'Estrange's Reply upon it If it lies says he as a Reproach upon them that they did not serve the King out of Loyalty that which they did was yet better then not serving him at all and better in a Higher degree still then Fighting against him And a little after It is worth the Observation that not a man drew his Sword in the opposite Cause who was not a Known Separatist and that on the Other side not one Schismatick ever struck stroke in the Kings Quarrell And now for your Notes upon his Answer they are so silly that it were Ridiculous to Reply upon 'um who knows says he but the Regicides were Papists in disguise pag. 19. And a deal of such senselesse stuff enough to turn a bodies Stomach And if you 'd inform your self of his Malice look ye here pag. 4. p. 9. and p. 33. how he Palliates if not Justifies the Late Rebellion the Murther of the Arch-Bishop of St. Andrews and the drawing of the Sword against the King Briefly 't is an Insipid Bawling piece of Foolery from One end to the Other And it is not but that I highly approve of your Zeal for the Discovery of the Plot and Suppressing of Popery but we are not yet to Trample upon Laws and Publique Orders for the attaining even of those Glorious ends But now I think on 't deal freely with me did you really go to the Registers ye spake of to furnish Names for your Subscriptions Citt. No That was but a Flourish but all the Rest we Literally did True Are not you Conscious to your selves of your Iniquities who made You a Commissioner for the Town or You for the Country But we are like to have a fine business of it when the Dreggs of the People set up for the Representatives of the Nation to the Dishonour of the most Considerable and Sober part of the Kingdome Pre'thee Bumpkin with thy Poles and Baltiques how shouldst thou come to understand the Ballance of Empires who are Delinquents and who not the Right of Bishops Votes And You forsooth are to Teach the King when to call a Parliament and when to let it alone And are not you a fine Fool i' the mean time to Drudg fot the Faction that Sets ye on to be afterwards made a slave for your pains And then for You Citt with your Mouldy Records your Co-ordinate Estates and your Sovereign Power of the People Do not I know all your Fallacies your Shifts and Hiding-holes There 's not one step you set but I can trace you in 't You have your Spies upon all Libraries as well as Conversations your Agents for the procuring of old Manuscripts and Records and for the Falsifying of New ones to make them look like Old Ones Nay the Papers of State themselves had much ado to scape ye Those that assert the Iust Rights of the Crown you either Bury or Conceal only Publishing the Presidents of Seditious Times in Vindication of such Principles Citt. I must confess I take the Government to be Co-ordinate and the King One of the Three Estates with submission to be better inform'd True If it be so how comes it that the House of Commons even in their most Popular seasons have still own'd the Crown of England to be Imperial How comes it that all our Laws are call'd the Kings Laws all our Courts of Iustice his Majesties Courts and all Publick Causes try'd in the Kings Name and by the Authority of his Majesty Citt. But have not the Two Houses their share in the Legislative Power True You must distinguish betwixt the Consent and the Sanction the Preparatory Part is Their's the Stamp is the Kings The Two Houses Consent to a Bill It is only a Bill when it is presented and it remains yet a Bill even when the King has Consented to it and in this Common Consent in Order to a Law the Two Houses may be said to share with his Majesty But then the Fiat that superinduces an Authority and is Only and Properly the Act of Legislation is singly in the King So that though they share in the Consent they have no pretence at all to the Sanction which is an Act of Authority the other but of Agreement And yet again admitting your Coordination First every King runs the hazzard of his Crown upon every Parliament he calls For That Third Estate lies at the Mercy of the Other Two And further 't is a kinde of Ringing the Changes with the Government the King and Lords shall be Uppermost One day the King and Commons Another and the Lords and Commons the Third For in this Scale of Constitution whatsoever the One will not the Other Two may Citt. Well but Ours is a MIXT Government and we are a Free People Tru. If ours be a Mixt Government so as to any Popular Participation of Power with the King then it
Conspirators may meet under the Cloak and colour of Protestants The intent of the Meeting is matter of State and you turn it off to a point of Religion Citt. But is it not matter of Religion to joyn in a Petition for the meeting of a Parliament to bring Malefactors to a Tryall and to extirpate Popery True Such a Petition as you Instance in is in the appearance of it not only Lawfull but Commendable But then it must be promoted by Lawfull means and under Decent Circumstances 'T is a good thing to Preach or Catechize but it is not for a Lay-man presently to pluck the Parson out of the Desk or Pulpit that he himself may do the Office It is a Good thing to execute Iustice but yet a private man must not invade the Iudgment-Seat though it were to passe even the most Righteous Sentence Citt. The King may chuse whether he 'l Grant or no So that without invading His Right we only claim the Liberty of Presenting the Request True That may be well enough at First but still after One Refusal and That with a Publick Interdict on the Neck on 't forbidding the pursuance of it such a Petition is not by any means to be Repeated First out of Respect to Regal Authority Secondly as the King is the Sole Iudge of the matter Thirdly upon the Importunity it is not so properly Desiring of a thing as Tugging for it Fourthly It tends many ways to the Diminution of his Majesties Honour in case it be Obtain'd For it implys either Levity or Fear or to make the best on 't the King confers the Obligation and the Heads of the Petition receive the Thanks Now adde to all this the suborning of Subscriptions and the Inflaming of Parties what can be more Undutifull or Dangerous Citt. But do not you find many Honest and Considerable men concern'd in these Petitions True Yes in several of them I do and the main reason is This. There 's no man under Five and Fifty at Least that is able to give any Account of the Designe and Effects of this way of Petitioning in Forty and Forty One but by Hear-say so that This Nation proceeds mostly upon the Maxims and Politiques which That Republican Humour deliver'd over to us But yet let the Thing or the Manner of it be as it will Those that disarm'd and turn'd back the Kentish Petitioners at London-bridg Those that Wounded and Murther'd the Surry-Petitioneres in the Palace Yard only for desiring a Peace and in order to the Preservation of his late Majesty Those People methinks that were fo Outrageous Against Those Petitions and Several others of the same kind should not have the Face now to be fo Violent for This. And whoever examines the present Roll will find the Old Republicans to be the Ring-Leaders Bum. Really Citt the man speaks Reason Tru. Consider then the Mean ways ye have of advancing your Pretensions by Falshoods and Scandals to disappoint Honest men of Elections The use ye make of the most Servile Instruments to promote your Ends your fawning Methods of Popularity toward the Rabble your ways of undermining the Government of the City as well as of the Nation your worse then Iesuitical Evasions in matter of Conscience your Non-sensical Salvo's and Expositions of Christian Liberty your putting out the Church of Englands Colours and calling your selves Protestants when you are effectually no better then Algerines and Pyrating even upon Christianity it self your Beating of the wood in the History of our most Seditious Times to start Presidents and Records in favour of your own Disloyal Purposes The Pharisaical Distinguishing of your selves from the Profane as you are pleas'd to stile all others even in your Dresse Tone Language c. Your Uucharitable Bitternesse of Spirit your lying in wait for Blood and laying of Snares for the Unwary and the Innocent and still vouching an Inspiration for all your Wickednesse your gathering of all Winds toward the raising of a Storm Your Unity in Opposition and in nothing Else your Clamours and Invectives against Priests and Iesuits when it is the Church of England yet that feels the Last effect of your Sacrilegious Rage 'T is not so much the Officers of the Church and State that are Popishly Affected but the Offices Themselves and Those in the first place as you chuse your Sins too that are most Beneficiall To say nothing of your wild Impostures upon the Multitude Citt. Now you talk of Impostures what do you think of L'Estrange's History of the PLOT and his Answer to the APPEAL Whether are Those Pamphlets Impostures upon the Multitude or Not Tru. You were saying e'en now That The History of the Damnable Popish Plot was of your Writing Answer me That Question First Was it so or not Citt. No it was not of my Writing It was done by a Protestant-Club Tru. Why then let me tell ye if a man may believe the Preface to That Club-History or the Notes upon the Answer to the Appeal for I have read them all L'Estrange's Pamphlets are great abuses upon the People But if you had the Books about ye the matter were easily clear'd by comparing them Citt. By good luck we have 'um all about us that can any way concern this Question And look ye here now First He calls his Abridgement of the Tryals The History of the Plot without mentioning one word of the Original Contrivance the Preparatives manner of Discovery and other Remarkables essential to a History 2. He omits Staly's and Reading's Tryals which yet sure had Relation to the Plot. 3. In his Epistle he seems to drown the Popish Plot with suggestions of an Imaginary One of the Protestants 4. The amusing People with such Stories is notoriously a Part of the Grand Popish Designe 5. Whereas he tells us that not one Material Point is omitted most Readers cannot finde the substantial part of Mr. Bedloes Evidence against Wakeman P. 46 of the Tryall So much as hinted at Not to mention the gross shuffles and Omissions in Pag. 77. and elsewhere 6. He charges the Printed Tryals in his FREEBORN SUBIECT P. 15. with many Gross Incoherences and very Material mistakes yet Instances but One and corrected too as an Erratum 7. When Our Posterity shall urge these Tryals for proof against Papists how easily may the subtle Villains stop their Mouths by alledging from this Authour that no heed is to be given to the said Tryals being so publickly own'd by a Person of his Note and late Qualification to be guilty of so many and such very Material Mistakes True Observe here First L'Estrange expounds his History in the Title Page by restraining it to the Charge and Defence of the Persons there mentioned Beside that he calls it an Historical Abstract and a Summary in his Epistle 2. Staleys Trial had no Relation at all to the Plot and Reading was not Try'd for 's Life and so not within