Etenim cum hinc ob consilij maturitatem longam maximarum rerum experientiam prope Regem ad maxima Reipub. negotia peragenda sedere compellimini illinc vero propter senilem infirmitatem amplissimam vestram prouinciam peragrare quomodo se quisque suo in munere gerat perlustrare non possetis adiutorem vobis elegistis nobilissimum Dominum D. Franciscum de Harlay virum omnium virtutum laude florentem qui ex illustri ortus familia inter magnates sanè si voluisset spleÌ„dide viuere potuisset sed ab ineunte aetate saeculi pompis nuncium remittens in altissimarum rerum contemplationem mentem suam tanto studio tantaque ingenij foelicitate intendit vt non in Latinis modo Graecis literis sed in omni scientiarum genere tam miros breui tempore fecerit progressus vt inter grauissimos Theologos Parisienses iuuenis summa cum laude professus sit qui rerum etiam occultarum cognitioni raram quandam prudentiam coniungens ad res magnas sacras eximiè gerendas admodum habeatur idoneus Hic talis ac tantus iuuenis vestram sustinens personam ac grauiore vestro illustratus consilio gregem vestâ—um vigilantissimè inspiciet omnia quae ab boni Pontificis munus spectare intelligit prudentissime administrabit Quum igitur prouinciam nobis proximam ab Illustrissima D. vestra adeo omni ex parte excellenter gubernari perspexerimus mirum videri non debet si nos qui omni proprij Episcopi auxilio penitus destituimur ad tanti Archiepiscopi patrocinium confugiamus Itaque humillimè ab Illustrissima vestra Amplitudine petimus vt in suam nos clientelam benigne admittere libellum hunc perpetui nostri erga Illustrissimam D. vestram obsequij quasi arrhabonem recipere dignetur Deumque Opt. Max. quotidie rogabimus vt Illustrissimam D. vestram ecclesiae suae quam diutissime incolumem conseruet Parisiis xxi Nouembris Anno Domini 1614. AN ANSVVERE VNTO M R ABBOTS EPISTLE DEDICAtorie GOOD Christian reader I being prisoner by the gatehouse in westminster when Mr. R. Abbots last booke intituled the true ancient Roman Catholike came forth against mee was you may be sure wel inough looked vnto for writing then any replie Since my enlargement I was a long time occupied partlye in flanders partlye in Paris about ordinary busines well knowen to many so that I had small respite to reade ouer that which M. Abbots had written against mee At leÌ„gth coming to haue better leasure albeit I haue neuer since bin free from the same care and not willing to spend my spare time idly but to set in haÌ„d with some peece of worke I was by my graue and vnderstanding frinds advised to begin with a confutation of the same booke as coming forth latest and being indeed the only booke wich M. Abbot had labored in defence of himself against mee I at my louing frinds instaÌ„ce perusing ouer that booke more diligentlie found it fuller of words tauntes and cauills thaÌ„ of weightie and sound matter and would therfore rather haue made choise of some other booke of more importance not making anie great reckning of his vntrue imputations and bitter speeches against my self bicause the most honorable prelates of the primitiue Church and best deserving Doctors whose bookes I am not Worthie to carrie after them writing against bitter and broadmouthed Heretikes never lightlie escaped better cheape for what these mild hornets wanted in sound reasonnig that they were wont to supplie in foule railing My kind frinds replied that how litle account soeuer I made of mine owne interest yet M. Abbot being now growen a maÌ„ of name and chosen for the divinitie reader in the famous vniuersitie of Oxford that ought not to bee contemned which hee and his frinds deemed worthie the print Besides he pretendeth it to bee a peece of great price long premeditated and esteemed by him a mater worthie a large treatise and therfore not to bee lett passe as a thing of naught without an answer whervpon in part and withall to iustifie that in my booke which hee catcheth at as least iustifiable belike for he doth not answere it orderlie as it lieth though it were but a litle one but picketh out certen parcelles I in fine resolued to examine brieflie the weight and worth of that his booke which hee surnameth à counterproofe not vnproperlie bicause hee doth in it verie often hunt the counter as they say that is rather runne vp and downe forward and backward turne this waie and that waie verie idly and impertinently then fall to any serious proofe or pursue the points in questioÌ„ directlie Notwithstanding I will not deale with M. Abbot after such a hafting and abrupt manner as hee doth with mee by cutting of at the first clapp fowerscore eight pages of my small discourse without amy word of auswere therunto mangling also the middle of it and leauing out a great part of the latter end but will begin with him at his Epistle Dedicatory and thenceforth prosecute it orderlie as it lies not omitting by the way anie matter of moment though I meane not to sett downe his whole text word by word bicause that would cost mee more the printing then it is worth by agreat deale And wee here in banishment haue not so much spare monie but the summe and substance of all hee handleth shal bee sincerely related as the iudicious and vpright Reader if hee please to conferre this my answere with that his booke shall easilie perceiue Having in few words shewed the reasons that moued mee to vndergoe this worke and the method that I meane to obserue therin without anie further preface I will presentlie come to M. Abbots Epistle Dedicatorie in the first entrie wherof hee seemes to plaie the triuant and for want either of iudgment or of fitter inuention to fall into a faultie Exordium by the skilfull in that art called Commune comon which his aduerse party maie as well if not better vse against himselfe then hee doth against his aduersarie Neither needes it anie other answer but a plaine returne of the same wordes with a verie little alteration Let vs trie whether M. Abbots proeme proposed against vs will not in the iudgement of an indifferent Reader serue for vs against them Thus it begmneth Mr. Abbots text turned against his ovvne partie MOST gratious and renowmed prince such is the malice and furie of Antichrist and his army of priestes as Gregorie calleth theÌ„ in oppugning the Religion and faith of Christ Greg lib. 4. Ep. 38. as giueth cause to vs that fight for Christ to stand continuallie vpon our guard and to be readie still in armes to entertaine the assaultes that are made continuallie against vs. W. B. THE first staffe of this wartier like sentence bicause it hath in it the names of Antichrist and Priests maie at the first blush seeme to some protestantes to hitt vs but
reader and for the rest to take a longer daie wheras he saies that he hath followed me step by step he should rather haue said leape by leap and that with such vnexpected nimble dexteritie in a man of his declining age and heauy constitution that at the verie first feese he hath overlept fowerscore and seauen pages of mine smoothing the matter ouer as though all that had been vagaries volūtarie discourses of mine owne when as in deed there is not one passage of them but in answere to another of his there also set downe as everie one maie see And that the reader maie take a vieu of his substantiall answering my booke maie it please him to consider that in my whole booke there are but two hundred fourescore and six pages in quarto vnto threescore and one wherof M. Abbots answere doth extend onelie he beginning at the 87. and ending at the 148. and yet hath he chopped of by the waie 7 pages at one blowe as he cōfessesh himself in the 227. page of his booke so that in all he hath answered vnto 54 sides that is 27 leaues in quarto which doth not amonut to 7 sheetes of paper Now out of these 7 sheets you must also draw M. Abbots owne text which is comprised within mine and taketh vp neere hand the third part therof so that in true reckoning his prettie thick booke in quarto is but an answere to little more then fower sheets of mine And yet the vanitie of this braggadochio is such that he would make his simple reader beleeue that he hath coursed me Iolily following me step by step and leaving nothing of substance in all my book vnanswered R. AB OF this worke I haue finished but one only part wherin I haue at large discouered their vaine ostentation of the Catholike name and faith and shewed plainelie that the Romish religion accordeth not with Saint Pauls Epistle to the Romanes nor with his other Epistles which M. Bishrop Calleth to assist him bicause he findeth nothing to helpe him in that Epistle to the Romanes In all which I have been carefull gentle reader to giue thee satisfaction by the Cleere testimonie either of some learned Bishop of Rome or by some other famouslie approued and comended by that church Being now required a service of another kind so that I cannot yet goe forward with the rest I haue thought good to publish this in the meane time If I haue promised anie thing in this that is not here performed expect it in that that is to come Assist mee I praie thee with thy praiers vnto Almighlie God by whose grace I hope in due time to supplie that that is wanting now w. B. BEcause I haue as I hope sufficientlie displaied in my former booke the mans vaine humor in presuming aboue measure vpon his owne strength and shewed that his vaunting words do farr surpasse his slender works Therfore I do now onlie desiret the reader to suspend his Iudgment till he come to behold the combat it self which I trust to obtaine the sooner because M. Abbot himself notwithstanding his former florish seemeth here to feare some after clapp And therfore intreateth his gentle reader to beare with him if he hath not performed in this that which he promised and to praie to God to help him forth with it and then to expect by tom long the carrier some more worthie peece of worke for a supplie I am glad to see some more modestie in the man then was wont to bee we haue not now as he fondly vaunted in his first book the whole truth furnished and set out with all its strength and such troupes and bands levied as should fright and put to flight all the world but one part of a poore peece of worke wherin he doubteth also whether he hath performed so much as he promised seing the world so amended and such a towardly disposition in him my poore praiers shall not be wanting that he may haue grace to see his wn weaknes to vnderstand daily better and better the badnes of their cause to feele more and more the feeblenes of mans wit setting it self against the might of Gods truth and so by little and little to retire himself from the bolstering out of that which he perceiueth not to be substātiall and sound and begin at length to employ his talents to the honour of him and in defence of his cause that hath bestowed them vpon him In the meane season goods ir what reason haue you to except against mee for employing the other Epistles of S. Paule aswell as that to the Romanes in favor of the Roman religion be not proofes taken out of anie of the other as pregnant and forcible as if they were taken out of that are they not all alike canonicall and of the same divine authoritie you doe but dreame when you imagine that proofes taken out of that to the Romanes be more proper then others for confirmation of the Romain faith should not the Romanes beleeve anie thing deliuered in the other Epistles of S. Paule as firmelie receiue it as currantlie as if it had been written to themselues Againe that Epistle was not penned by the Romans to declare their faith but was by the Apostle addressed to them for their further instruction and consolation wherfore it can be no more properly called a profession of their faith then of anie other Christians everie Christian being as well bound to beleeue all written therin as the Romanes M. Abbot contrarie to his owne knowledg eie-sight doth saie that I craved aide of the other Epistles of S. Paul because I could find nothing to helpe mee in that to the Romanes for I do alleage many texts out of that verie Epistle in proofe of the Catholike cause I desire thee reader but to turne to the 135. page of my booke and if he there do not find that I haue emploied as manie sentences therof to mainteine our cause as M. Abbot that braggs so much of it hath done to vphold theirs then let him take M. Abbot for a true mā but it being certain that I haue as plentifully produced testimonies out of it how canst thou choose but censure M. Abbot for a man that makes small conscience what hee saies of his adversaries writing finallie to vnderpropp his credit which hee saw tottering and like to decay he auerreth that hee hath been carefull to giue his Reader satisfaction in his allegations vsed in this booke hauing made choice onlie either of some learned Bishops of Rome or of others famously approued by that church But what if that bee not so neither doth he not by heaping one false tale in the neck of another much hasten on the downfall of his reputation and creditt who is ignorant that the Roman church hath condemned by name Cornelius Agrippas book de vanitate scientiarum and yet M. Abbot page 851 doth solemnly cite him for one of his grave Authors All the learned
Hee hath shewed his good will I confesse by giuing the essay but hath done litle more therby then bewrayed how vnable he is to performe it so that one may wonder at his simplicity shall I say or at his audacity or rather at both at his simplicitie for wanting wit to vnderstand when it was so plainlie told him how impertinentlie he dealeth in the matter At his audacity if seing his rash and raw Enterprise succeed no better he would neuertheles hold on still and proceed farther Let it bee by the waie obserued that M. Abbots intention was and is to describe the true Roman Catholike for that you shall heare him hereafter in the heate of disputation verie busie to proue that there is such an incompatible repugnance betwene the very tearmes RomaÌ„ Catholike that they can no more be coupled together theÌ„ particuler and vniuersall yet here more calme and better aduised he acknowledgeth that they may stand well ioyned together and be attributed to one particuler person and by the like reason to one particuler Church so that howsoeuer hee crie there against vs for couchnig together the Catholike Roman Church yet here he must needs approue it or els contradict himself and giue ouer his intended description of the true Roman Catholike well be it pardonable for a new ghospelling Minister to vnsaie that in one place which he saith in another yet that calumniation of my poore labors imployed in the seruice of the Catholike cause for my bellies sake as he writeth is not tolerable but the imputation is so grosse and palpable God be thanked that M. Abbot cannot chuse but receiue shame by it which I will declare by this briefe Antithesis between himself and mee hoping that the good Reader will giue me leaue being put to it to relate that of my self which is coÌ„monly knowen It is not vnknowen to manie that I did forsake the apparaÌ„t hope of a poore gentlemans estate to become a Roman Priest he to escape miserie crept into the Ministery I wittingly and willinglie made my self therby vncapable of all spirituall liuings and promotioÌ„s which our noble countrie doth afford in great plentie vnto men of the Church he contrarywise as it seemeth followed the studie of new diuinity to fill himself with fat benefices if the greedie apperite which his former penurie bred in him can be satisfied for hauing three or foure liuings already he is thought to gape still after some greater In a word I doe striue to walke in the narrow and hard path of fasting praier and contineÌ„cie from all corporall pleasures he liueth at large following the carnall libertie of Luthers Ghospell of wiuing eating fulfilling the desires of the flesh All which being dulie coÌ„sidered let the indifferent Reader iudge whether of vs two be likelier to contend about matters of religion for our bellies sake The same may be said for the point of honor and reputation he runing the full carriere of our countrie to highe dignities and promotions I treading in their foosteps who be they neuer so learned or vertuous may trulie saie with the Apostle I thinke that God hath shewed vs the last 1. Cor. 4. v. 9. as it were deputed to death and the drosse of all euen vntill this daie wherfore all wordly credit and belly commodities lying in M. Abbots way and against my profession were his wits at home thinke you when he vpbraided mee with them And if I would make deceiuing of soules my occupation as he for his credits sake and gaine seemeth to haue made it his I might perhaps haue been litle behind him in wordlie wealth and reputation But god forbid that to gaine all the good in the world I should once goe about so much as to endanger the saluation of myne owne soule so far of am I our blessed lord be praised therfore from being any whit disposed to follow M. Abbots trade and occupation in deceyuing of others R. AB VVHICH worke I most humbly desire may goe forth vnder the protection of your highnes who according vnto that eminent wisedome and knowledge wherwith God hath endued your tender yeeres I make the iudge of this quarrell and therfore the first part therof I do now tender at your highnes feete for a testimonie of my loyall and dutifull affection and for acknowledgment of my deuotions vnto Almightie God for the preseruation of your highnes and the continuance and increase of his graces and blessings towards you that your princelie name maie more and more grow great and be a terrour vnto the self exalting kingdome and Monarchie of the great Capitolian Priest at length to worke the vtter ruine and confusion therof which as we beleeue not to be far of so we hope that in that glorious reuenge of the cause of Almightie God your highnes shall haue a chief and honorable part and that God will strengthen your arme and giue edge to your sword to strike through the loynes of all them that are the supporters of that Antichristian and wâ—cked state which all other additions of honour and renowme both with God and men I wâ—ll neuer cease to further by my praiers vnto almighty God so I rest alwaies to your highnes seruice most humblie and affectionately deuoted R. Abbot W. B. AS wee do most freely confesse almightie Gods exceeding bouÌ„tifulnes towards that our gratious yong Prince Henry now deceased in powring out vpon him plentifully singuler naturall gifts of both valor and vnderstanding do dolefullie bewaile the great losse of such a glittering ornament and comfort of our infortunate country so we hartelie wish and do daily praie that it may please the immeÌ„se divine bountie to blesse that tender young prince Charles his deare and noble brother with the true knowledg of the Catholike and Apostolike faith that he may to God Almighties glory to the true honor and peace of our countrie and to his owne eternall saluation returne vnto the ancient and holie Religion of his best renowmed and most puissant progenitors that growing as in age so in vnderstanding and true pietie hee may become though no competent Iudge in matter of faith as M. Abbot too flatteringlie would make his royall brother in his nonage for the iudgment of those high supernaturall points of religion do belong rather to the vocation of godly and graue learned Bishops than to youthfull princes yet to be a deuout imbracer and à zealous mainteyner of that heaueÌ„ly ingraffed word which only can saue our soules for the defence wherof the glorious title of defender of the faith was annexed to the crowne of England In which and for which principally his most royall and gratious Grandmother was put to death which to haue been the now Roman faith and Religion no honest man can or will I thinke deny And who is such a stranger in the estate of our neighbour couÌ„tries that doth not clearlie behold the readie way to aduance his princely name and renowme and to
with milke and hony Like wise did his diuine wisdome permitt the cruell and bloudy Emperours Diocletian and Maximiniā to doe all the mischiefe that the malice of man could devise to make hauock of all Christians and a finall extermination of all monuments of Christian religion neuertheles when they had powred out the extremitie of their outragious malice they died most miserablie and the great Constantine our most glorious countriman that succeeded them did very shortlie after triumphantly set vp the Christian religion vnto the vnspeakable comfort of all Christians wherfore albeit to the eie of man there do not appeare anie present redresse of our miseries yet reposing our trust in the might mercies and promises of God let vs confidently saie with S. Peter 1. Pet. 3.9 Our Lord slacketh not his promise as some do esteeme it but he doth patiently for you not willing that any perish but that all returne to penance It maie be very well that he hath stayd the longer partlie to scoure our the rust of our former fautes partly that the number of those glorious Martirs and confessors wherwith he will haue our realme fenced adorned maie be accomplished or that the conversiō of many that wēt astraie might be wrought by beholding the constant suffering of his seruants finally that the full measure of the impenitent maie be made vp The soveraigne lord of heauen and earth having vpon these or the like considerations knowen only to his vnsearchable wisdome made staie of our deliuerāce vntill this present must not therfore be thought to haue cast vs of for euer and to haue wholie forgotten his mercies but we must with longanimitie attend his good pleasure and leasure and in any case not leese our confidēce in him which he doth not onlie expect at our handes but doth also so much respect it that for it alone he promiseth deliuerance Psal 90. Quoniam in mesperauit liberabo eum protegam eum quia cognouit nomen meum I will deliuer him bicause he put his trust in mee I will protect and defend him bycause he knew my name that is my might my mercie my loue to all that call vpon mee and put their trust in mee Againe Our Lord will helpe them and deliuer them Psal 36. and saue them Quia sperauerunt in eo euen for that they trusted in him The house of Israël trusted in our lord and he was their helper and protector the howse of Aaron trusted in our lord and he was their helper and protector they that feare our lord let themtrust in our lord Psal 113. for he wil be their helper and protector Call vpon me in the daie of tribulation and I will deliuer thee Psal 49. and thou shalt honor mee behold God takes it for honour done vnto him to call vpon him in our distresse and to be so well perswaded of his honorable care ouerall his people that he will not let them perish vnder his handes These being words of comfort vttred by the spirit of God and recorded in his holy word would it not grieue anie Christian heart to heare some other wise good soules to say oh I shall never see any amendement things will neuer goe better while I liue Now poore spirited people why doe you to your owne griefe and others discomfort take vpon you to determine that which you are altogether ignorant of who made you priuie to Gods counsells what can you tell how long you shall liue your selues or what shall happen in your daies you may verie well saie that we haue not deserued anie such great grace at Gods hands nay rather that we are most vnworthy of it wherfore if God deale with vs after our deserts we shall never see that happie day but do not take vpon you to sett bonds to Gods infinite mercies the highest pointe wherof is to surpasse infinitly and to prevent all merit of man and to goe far beyond all humane expectation It troubleth me not to heare our persecutors saie of vs Psal 70.11 God hath forsaken them come let vs persecute and apprehend them for there is no bodie to deliuer them or to crie out with the children of Edom against Ierusalem rase it rase it euen vnto the foundation therof Psal 1 6.7 for they doe but shew blind Zeale and ouer great confidence in their bad cause But to see Gods seruants not to be as couragious in his quarrell and as hopefull in his helpe succour is a great sorrow to my heart which pusillanimity of ours springeth from no other roote then from want of deepe and often meditation of our blessed lords soueraigne power goodnes and mercy and for want of due consideration that it is onlie the true honor of God and the restitution of his holy religion which we so vehemently thirst after and earnestly desire to see once againe florishing in our countrie which wee doing our parts God will no doubt for his owne glories sake in time performe To those puling and deiected spirits let me be bold to speake in these words of the Apostle Heb. 10.35 Doe not therfore cast awaie your confidence which hath a great recompence of reward for patience is necessarie for you that doing the will of God you may receiue the promise for yet a litle and a verie litle he that is to come will come and will not slack or tarie and my iust liueth by faith And if any man draw back he shall not please my soule But we are not childrē of withdrawing to perdition but of them that beleeue to the sauing of the soule which words of the Apostle are taken out of the like of the prophet Abacuc who saith If he make delaie waite for him for coming he will come that is he will not faile but surelie come and will not staie long Abac. 2.3 behold he that will not beleeue this his soule is not right but the iust man shall liue in his faith Out of both which the prophets and Apostles words I gather a necessitie imposed vpon all right and good soules if not to belieue assuredlie yet to liue in great hope and confidence of speedie succour frō God for their deliuerie otherwise they not onlie want that speciall vertue of hope but also are in daunger according to the foraleaged testimonie of the holy Ghost of drawing back and falling awaie from the state of saluation to their owne everlasting perdition After these plaine testimonies taken out of the word of God I hope the good Catholike Reader will giue me leaue to imploy one probable coniecture taken out of the prudent obseruation of some vertuous iudgements It cannot be denied that priests and religious persons bee vnder God the chiefe planters and waterers of the Catholike Roman religion for they by preaching teaching administring of Sacraments and trayning vp of others in vertue and by their good example do settle vphold and confirme all the rest in matter of faith and religion
the redeemer of mankind the keies of the kingdome of heaven and the power of loosing and binding And that also even vnto these daies hee doth in his successors liue and determine causes and shall alwaies liue To him doth Celestinus now Bishop of Rome in right order succede finally by vertue of power receiued from the said Celestinus they proceede to pronounce senteÌ„ce against Nestorius Bishop of Constantinople All which set togither standing of record in the third generall councell doth demonstrate that the Easterne church did acknowledge both the Bishop of Rome to bee S. Peters lawfull successor And that it also did appertaine to him to excommunicate and depose principall Bishops of the Greeke and Easterne church which no man can doubt to bee principall and most proper actes of supreme power in government with this I will linke another like example practised and recorded in the fourth generall councell held at Chalcedon Dioscorus patriarch of Alexandria being for his erronious opinions and enormious actions called in question was convented to answere in that generall councell first all the actions that are entered against Dioscorus are stiled thus Concil Chalced. actio 3. Libellus Theodoridiaconi ad Leonem PapaÌ„ ad Chalced coÌ„cilium Libellus Iscyronis ad Leonem nem PapaÌ„ Chalcedon conciliuÌ„ Vnto the most holy and most happie Archbishop of the great and old Rome Leo and to the generall councell assembled at Chalcedon Setting the Bishop of Rome as head before the generall couÌ„cell as his bodie which in expresse tearmes the whole couÌ„cel acknowledgeth writing vnto the said pope Leo the great That hee was President over them Quibus tu quidem sicut membris caput praeâ—ras quam velut auro textam seriem ex veste Christi praecepto legislatoris venientem vsque ad nos ipse servasti vocis beati Petri omnibus constitutus interpres eius si lei beatificationem super omnes adducâ—ns even as the head is to the rest of the members that the custodie of our lords vineyard was coÌ„mitted to him that hee was the interpreter of Saint Peters sentence Observe secondlie the forme of their definitiue sentence which is thus set downe The most holie and most blessed Archbishop of great and old Rome Leo Ibidem in exemplari epist Paschacini Vnde sanctissimus ac beatissimus Papa caput vniuersalis ecclesiae Leo per nos vt lâ—gatos suos sancta synodo consentiente Petri Apostoli praeditus dignitate qui ecclesiae fundamentum et petra fidei calestis regni lanitor nuncupatur Episcopali eum Dioscorum dignitate nudavit ab omni sacerdotali opere facit exortem by vs and this present holy councell together with the most happie most worthy Apostle S. Peter who is the rock and topp of the Catholike church hee who is the foundation of the Orthodox and true faith hath deposed Dioscorus from all Episcopall dignitie and deprived him of all priestlie function and ministery First let it bee well obserued and borne in mind that all the parts of this my discourse be verified in the sentences of these two generall councells First that S. Peter was that rocke vpon which Christ built his church Secondlie that the Bishop of Rome succeeded him therin Thirdlie that in the vertue therof is comprehended power and authoritie to vphold the Orthodox saith and to punish and depose the highest patriarches in the church aswell of the east as of the west if they do obstinatlie trouble the peace of Christs church This having been by the verdict and practise of the pure Church in ancieÌ„t time so cleerly testified in two of those prime generall councells which the Protestants themselues do confesse to bee Orthodox and authenticall what reasonable Christian can take anie exception against it yet for more full confirmation of this most important point of our faith I will passe through all the patriarchall seas and out of each of them choose some sufficient proofe for the popes supremacie in gouernment Athanasius patriarch of Alexandria was absolued and restored by Iulius pope of Rome Dioscorus of the same sea was excomunicated and deposed by Leo the great Nestorius patriarch of Constantinople was in like manner censured and depriued by Celestinus pope of Rome of whom wee haue alreadie treated Now to S. Iohn Chrysostom Bishop of the same city of Constantinople who was absolued and restored to his Bishopricke by Innocentius the first pope of Rome This verie learned zealous and godly prelate and most eloquent preacher was through the malice of the Empresse Eudoxia assisted by her husbaÌ„d the emperour Archadius deposed hoised out of his seate euen by the verdict of many Easterne Bishops assembled in a councell wherof Theophilus patriarch of Alexandria was the head wher vpon hee treading in the noble stepps of Athanasius and diuerse other good Bishops made his appeale to InnoceÌ„tius pope of Rome craving of him to reuerse that vniust sentence which had been given against him Innocentio Papae Ioannes Chrisost ex palladio in vita eius Quapropter ne confusio haec omnem quae sub coelo est nationem enuadat obsecro vt scribatis quod baec tam inique facta absentibus nobis non declinantibus iudicium non habeant robur sicut nec sua natura habent Illi autem qui inique egerunt poena â—cclesiasticarum legum subâ—aceant nobis vero qui nec conuicti nec redarguti nec habiti vt rei literis vestris charitate vestra aliorumque omnium quorum scilicet anâ—ea societate fruâ—bamur fâ—ui concâ—dite these bee his words I beseech thee holie father that their sentence so vniustly giuen in my absence I not refusing iudgement maie bee of no validity furthermore that they who haue done mee that wrong may according to the lawes of the church bee punished And commaund that I being innocent and not to bee convicted of any crime may bee restored to my church againe See most evident acknowledgment of the Bishop of Romes power to repeale the sentence of a councell holden in the greeke church by the greatest patriarch of those coasts yea and to inflict punishment vpon them Item to restore Saint Iohn Chrisostome to his Bishopricke againe which Innocentius effected Ex epist 30. Innocent ad Archadium ex Nicepho 10 l. 13. c. 34. Itaque ego minimus peccator cui thronus magni Apostoli Petri creditus est segrego to illam a perceptione immaculatorum mysterioruÌ„ Christi dei nostri Episcopum etiam omnem aut clericum ordinis sancta dei ecclesiae qui administrare aut exhibere â—a vobis ausuâ— fuerit ab ea hora qua presenteâ— vinculi meilegeritis literas dignitate sua excidisse decerne thundering out a most terrible sentence of excomunication against the Emperour Archadius in these tearmes I the least of Gods seruaÌ„ts and a sinner vnto whom the throne of the great Apostle S. Peter
vnrulie creatures bee brought to disgrace the good meaning godly endevors of others most godlie and religious persons who in true Apostolicall maÌ„ner haue through Gods inestimable mercy converted infinite multitudes of those heatheÌ„s vnto the Christian religion I haue staid the longer in this paragraff bicause M. Abbot by the way touched many great matters in it rather to giue the Reader reasonable satisfaction therin then that his resemblance deserued half the paines which holdeth no proportion at all in the mayne point The reader shall do well to note by the way how many vntruthes M. Abbot le ts slip in this section bicause he doth in the end of this chapter bragg that he hath not once lied in all this discourse hâ—re we haue these I. that we teach the Catholike church to be in closed within the wals of Rome and do tie the seat therof to one partâ—culer place secoÌ„dly that we hold no man can be baptised to saluation vnles he meet with a priest 3. That no man can obtaine saluation vnles hee repaire to Rome or meete with a Roman Priest wheras we hold millioÌ„â— to be saued that neuer saw Rome Againe that any true repentant soule that cannot meetâ— with a Roman priest to make his confession may nevertheles by true contrition obteyâ—e pardon of his sinnes and eternall saluation I omitt as fleabitings those other his peccadilia of taking Donatists for Rogatists and Cartenna for Africa bicause M. Abbot by coÌ„fessing that oversight hath made satisfactioÌ„ THE SECOND SECTION of the second chapter W. B. THE second branch of M. Abbots comparison between the Roman church and the Donatists is as faulty as the first Thus he proposeth it The Donatists would haue the church to be called Catholike Aug. in bre collatâ— diei 3. c. 2. not by reason of the communion therof throughout the whole world but for the perfection of doctrine and Sacraments which they falsly chalenged to theÌ„selues The same perfection doth the church of Rome arrogate to her self This halteth on both sides as the former did for the Donatists as S. Austin M. Abbots Authour relateth did not call their church Catholike for perfection of doctrine or Sacraments as M. Abbot fableth Epist 48. but for the fulnes of Sacraments and for observation of all gods commandements they were not so dull and blockish as S. Austin noteth to argue an vniuersality out of perfection which is seldome vniuersall but aymed alwaies at some kind of vniuersality On the other side there is no RomaÌ„ Catholike that would haue the church be called Catholike rather for her perfection in doctrine and Sacraments then for her communion over all the world R. ABBOT §. 2. IT is true that S. Austin chalenged vnicentius the Donatist for interpreting the word Catholike Aug. epistola 48. Idem in Breuic collat die 3. cap. 2. not for the communion of the whole church but for the obseruation of all Gods coÌ„maundements or for the fulnes of Sacraments yet I did not amisse to put perfection for fulnes because they do both signifie the same thing for is not fulnes of Sacraments the same with perfection of Sacraments and observation of all gods commaundements with perfection of observing them Collat 3. cuÌ„ donat cap. 102. like as perfection of doctrine is to teach all truth Besids Gaudentius a Donatist doth tell vs that by Catholike they vnderstood perfect when he said the word Catholike importeth Replito fulc c. 10. dem 6. that which is full in Sacraments which is perfect and which is vnspotted To the second member I say that Bristow a great Romanist granteth the church to bee called Catholike bicause she is vniuersally perfect halteth in nothing and is spred ouer all the world and Austin himself in his younger daies did so expound the same word though in his further experience and Iudgment hee abhorred from it and left it wholy to the Donatists So did Ciril of Ierusalem and also Pacianus wherfore M. Bishop sheweth himself scarce wise in denyall of it W. B. I haue M. Abbot guilty and confessing that hee changed his Authors words yet never without one idle excuse or other he hath forsooth given another word but which signifieth the same in effect If the words had been of the same signification yet it had been plainer dealing to haue kept the authors owne words but if there be great diuersity betweene them then there was litle shew of honest dealing to shift from the one to the other who but M. Abbot will say that perfection of Sacraments and fulnes of Sacraments bee all one where fulnes is referred to the compleat number of Sacraments and perfection may bee attributed to the right vse of them or to the vertue and efficacy of them For they bee two distinct controversies betweene the Protestants and vs. The one how many sacraments there bee the other of what perfection and efficacy they are That is whether they conferre grace or no. wherfore it was not well done to thrust in perfection for fulnes there being such ods betwene the nature and vse of those two words Againe betwene the obseruation of all Gods coÌ„maundements and perfection there is a notable difference in the way of our religion for it appertains to all the faithfull to obserue all Gods commaundements but the counsels of perfection are left to the free choice of them whose harts it shall please God to dispose that way wherfore if M. Abbot had had an honest good meaning he would not haue so changed his authors words but hee more like a Ioly wise politike protestant that beleeveth neither the full number of the sacraments nor thinketh it possible to keepe all Gods coÌ„maundements flieth from those tearms of fulnes of sacramentes and obseruation of all the coÌ„maundements as froÌ„ checks and reproues of their new belief and choppeth in perfection of doctrine bicause he can therin better wrangle And albeit Gaudentius did ioyne perfect and vnspotted with fulnes yet it followeth not therof that he tooke those words for all one but rather ioyned together many words of diuers significations to explicate more fully the force of the word Catholike Now to the second member albeit Doctor Bristow a man of singuler vertue and learning and some others haue taught the word Catholike to comprehend within the latitude of his signification that which is vniuersally perfect and halteth in nothing yet no one of them doth exclude the more vsuall and better allowed signification of the same which is to designe the communion and society of the whole world Nay Doctor Bristow in the very wordes cited by M. Abbot doth expresly include it and is spred over all the world and that after the example of Saint Austin euen by M. Abbots owne confession For albeiâ— that great Doctor in his youth vsed the worâ— Catholike to signifie perfection of doctrine yet growing to riper iudgment and being of better experience he abhorred that signification of the
word as Donatisticall left it wholy to the Donatists wherfore let the indifferent reader iudg who dealeth more soundly in the exposition of this word Catholike whether I that do follow S. Austin in his more advised and riper iudgment Or M. Abbot that would haue him followed in that he taught being yet young and which hee himself afterward vpon better consideration thought good to alter Is it not a signe of most wilfull blindnes to alledge that as imitable out of an Author which hee himself advisedly corrected and taught to bee abhorred THE THIRD SECTION W. B. THE third particle of the resemblance M. Abbot hath couched in these words That as from Cartenna the Donatists did send Bishops to other countries even to Rome it self so from Rome by the papists order Bishops be authorised to all other countries This is of small moment if it were true But I read not in S. Austin that the Rogatists sent any Bishops from Cartenna into other coasts but rather required men of all other places to come to their quarters if they would obteyne Saluation That then may passe for another ouersight Neither bee all Catholike Bishops consecrated at Rome and thence sent into other countries but they be ordinarily made in every Catholike countrie though to preserve vnity and good order their election bee approued by the Bishop of Rome Christs vicar generall on earth and supreme pastor of his church R. AB §. 3. PVT Africa in steed of Cartenna and then M. Bishop can say nothing against the resemblance August epist 48. I not weighing the matter so strictly did put Africa for the third part of the world and in that signification Cartenna is within Africa well let Cartenna be put out bicause Libia and Mauritania refused to be called by the name of Africa as Austin noteth and let it run thus The Donatists sent Bishops out of Africa to dwell at Rome or some Bishops out of Africa to create some other bishops of their faction at Rome So doth the church of Rome send Bishops into all other countries of their religion or if they do not send such bishops abroad yet in that Bishops made in other countries must haue the Bishop of Rome his confirmation it is all one as if hee had sent them from thence w. B. well seing the poore man acknowledgeth his error let him be pardoned Let Cartenna and the Rogatists who only raigned there bee changed into the Donatists of Africa That silly excuse that Africa contaynes the third part of the world might be to purpose if Africa had been sett for Cartenna Continens pro contento but Cartenna was set for Africa which being so obscure a part of Africa could not decently be put for the whole wherfore M. Abbot hath reason to wish Cartenna to be blotted out and so might hee haue done by all these resemblances had not his fingers itched to blase abroad his owne folly As for his reformation of it though he saw the disproportion yet could he not let it alone For he was not ignorant that most Catholike Bishops neither went to Rome to be there consecrated nor were consecrated by any Bishops that came from thence As all the Donatists were either consecrated in Africa or els by Bishops who were sent out of Africa to consecrate them what salve then hath hee for this sore Mary that it is all one to haue the popes confirmation and to be consecrated by Bishops sent from Rome Some what like hee might haue said but not all one for to approue the election of a Bishop and to elect a bishope or to consecrate him bee farr different things as every man that is acquainted with these matters can readily tell I admit Donatists would gladly haue had Bishops of their owne sect in every countrie that they might haue had no need to send Bishops out of Africa to consecrate them in other places And thervpon I do inferr that euen therby they were convinced not to bee Catholikes bicause their pastors preachers were not vniversally spred ouer all countries contrarywise the Roman church is proued to be Catholike because it had in everie country Bishops of their owne faith and communion So that M. Abbot winding and turning on both sides to get out of the briars doth still more and more intangle and fasten himself in the same §. 4. w. B. THe fourth point of M. Abbots comparison is this The Donatists would be taken to bee Catholiks for keeping communion with the church of Cartenna even so will the Papists for holding society with the church of Rome The former point of the resemblance is too too absurd for the Donatists abhorred the Conventicle of Cartenna as schismaticall as hath been often repeated And the secōd part taken as true proportion requireth is not perfect for wee should not esteeme men Catholiks for communicating with the church of Rome if that communion were closed vp within the wals of Rome or within her confines as the Rogatists were pinned vp in Cartenna but for that by communicating with the church of Rome wee do enter into communion with all other churches of the same religion which are spred over all the world R. AB I Said the Donatists I should haue said the Rogatists who expounding the word Catholike for integrity and perfection of faith as before wee haue seen and affirming themselues only to be Catholiks left it as a consequent that none could bee called Catholiks but by ioyning with them The Donatists were in the same error concerning their church in Africa The Papists are like vnto them both who plead the same for the church of Rome but M. Bishop tels vs that they do not call men Catholiks for communicating with the church of Rome if it bee taken for that particular church which is closed within the wals of Rome which is contrary to that hee taught himself a litle before For he taught before that men became Catholikes by holding the Roman faith and communicating with the church of Rome but to shift ouer this hee addeth that therfore they become Catholiks in communicating with the church of Rome bicause that by that communion they enter into societie with all other churches of the same religion which are dispersed all the world ouer But against this it may bee said that thē men do not now become Catholike as they did of old because of old it was enough to communicate with the church spred ouer the world but now it is to be added that by cōmunication with the church of Rome wee must communicate with the church spred ouer all the world what if the church of the whole word do not hold communion with the church of Rome as when Arrianisme had in a manner ouerflowed all the world and when the East and west churches were deuided from Rome and before the brood of Ignatius had converted the Indians whence was the name of Catholike to bee taken then Put the case that all other
and Latin church but also by diuers plaine texts of holie scriptures rightly vnderstood according vnto the same most holie and learned Prelates interpretation whom all good Christians are bound to beleeue as the Pastors and Doctors to whom our Saviour Christ committed both the preaching of his word and government of his church in the purer times therof To repeate the same here againe is needles and would bee ouer tedious The reader may if hee please but turne backe to the second section of the first chapter where he shall find them there M. Abbot himself attributeth to the church of Rome eminencie of place precedence of honour authoritie of estimation and accompt and yet here would seeme to deny the same church to bee the chief member of the Catholike church as though eminencie of place and precedence of honor could belong to any other then to the chief church how simple is that which foloweth that albeit in humane estimation the church of Rome may bee more eminent then any other yet with God there is no more respect of the church of Rome then of anie other For those men of which hee himself is one should bee much to blame if they would account that more eminent and honorable which they know God to esteeme but as equall and of the same degree because we are bound to conforme our iudgments to the straight rule of Gods vpright censure wherfore for that wee are fully perswaded that it hath pleased god to graunt that preeminence and priuiledge vnto the church of Rome wee do attribute the same vnto it If wee did thinck that god did not alowe of it neither would we condescend thervnto And who in his right senses can imagine that God doth not esteeme better of them whom it hath pleased his diuine bounty to make better As for the church of Ierusalem it had no such promises that hellgates should not prevaile against it or that their governors faith should not faile Nay rather it was by the prophets fortold that they should faile both in a Ezechielis 7.26 Lex peribit à Sacerdote Consilium à Sapientibus knowledg by not beleeving in their Messias and in b Hierem. 11.19 Ego quasi agnus mansuetus qui portatur ad victimam non cognoui quia cogitauerunt super me consilia dicentes mittamus lignum in panem eius eradicemus eum de terra viuentium practise also by compassing of his death Thus much for the church of the Iewes Touching the Rulers of seuerall churches since Christ his time others not having the like good assurance from our Saviour as the pastors of the church of Rome had wee haue more reason to relie vpon the perpetuall stabilitie of the church of Rome then vpon any other This I say having been proued already not onlie by the testimony of all antiquitie but also by the expresse word of God M. Abbots demaund is fully satisfied and therwith I hope hee will rest content Now to his answere vnto that place of S. Hierom. first whilst hee would seeme an over subtle sifter of S. Ieroms words hee ouerthroweth himself horse and foote For wheras hee affirmeth that Ierom would not haue said the same of ioyning with Liberius that hee said of Damasus it is very cleere that hee would and might also very well haue so done according as M. Abbot himself expounds S. Hieroms words For if S. Hierom said no more of Damasus then that hee would ioyne with him so farre forth as he sate in S Peters chaire that is so long as hee taught the same doctrine that saint Peter taught might he not haue said boldly as much of Liberius though hee tooke him to halt in some things hee needed not doubt I hope to follow him so farr forth as he followed S. Peter was he not sure enough if hee followed him no further neuer to faile M. Abbots answere then destroying it self needs no other confutation Yet for the readers further satiffaction concerning pope Liberius I add that there be many c Ruffin l. 10. eccl hist 17. Theodor. 2. hist eccl 16. Sozom 4. hist 14. Niceph. 9 hist 35 ancient good Authors who write that Liberius was not faultie in any matter of faith though hee yeelded vnto the condemnation of S. Athanasius because hee was by the Arrians accused not of his faith but of many pretended haynous crimes And albeit Liberius subscribed to the councell of Smirna yet hee could not bee condemned therfore of heresy for therin was not couched any one word contrary to the true faith though the word Consubstantiall were left out yet d Athanas Apol. de fuga Hieron in Catal. in fortunat others who for their greater iudgment and knowledg are to be more respected do blame Liberius as favoring the Arrian heresy not that hee beleeued any point of it but for that hee through tediousnes of exile and feare of torments yeelded to do that which redounded vnto the countenancing of the Arrian heresie And in like manner though there were nothing in that confession of faith to which hee subscribed that was not true yet in that time when there was so much ado about the word cōsubstātiall to cōsent vnto them that reiected that word was interpreted and taken of many for litle lesse thā to reiect the Catholike faith Briefly although his faith was sound yet his fact was preiudiciall vnto the Catholike faith and verie aduantagious for the Arrian heresy wherfore not to bee excused nevertheles albeit of humane frailty hee therin failed yet afterwards hee made good satisfaction therfore carried himself so vprightly and vertuously that he died a Saint as testifieth besides other a Ambr. de virg l. 3. in initio Soles mecum Beatae memoriae Liberij praecepta reuolue re quo virsāctio◠eo sermo accedat gratiosior S. Ambrose who citeth his testimony as a mans of holy and happie memorie And b Basil epist 74. Quae illia beatissimo Liberio proposita sunt S. Basil who stileth him a most blessed man This by the waie of pope Liberius Now to the true meaning of S. Hieroms words which cannot be drawen to that sense that M. Abbot would rack out of them to wit That hee would ioyne with Damasus so farforth only as he followed S. Peter for so might hee haue been bold to saie of Liberius and of his owne prelate Paulinus or of any man els but his true intent was to declare that in all doubtfull questions of faith every good Christian ought to make his recourse vnto the Bishop of Rome who sitteth in S. Peters chaire as his lawfull successor And therfore by vertue of our Saviours praier made for S. Peter and his successors shall never faile in question of faith whosoever therfore cleaveth fast vnto the popes resolution is assured never to faile This to haue been the true meaning of that famous doctor may most easily bee perceiued by the occasion and
circumstance of the very same Epistle S. Ierom finding the Bishops of the East vnder whom hee then liued to bee at fowle square about the word Hypostasis which may signifie either a substaÌ„ce or a person and being vehemently sollicited as a very learned man to deliuer his opinion whether they should say one or three hipostases would neither trust his owne learning which was singular nor rely vpon the iudgment of Paulinus by whom hee was made Priest who was both a very learned man and the patriarch of Antioch his proper pastor and prelate but knowing well that the finall and infallible resolution of all such doubts appertained vnto the Bishops of Rome addressed himself vnto him as vnto Christs vicar and S. Peters successor And was so far of from saying that hee would follow it no farther then hee followed S. Peter or from taking vpon himself so much as once to iudge of the popes senteÌ„ce that hee would beleeue and embrace whatsoever hee should determine Hiâ—ron epist 57. ad dama sum papam Disâ—ernite si placet obseero non ti meho tres hypostases dicere si iuhetis Ibidem Obtestor beatitudineÌ„ tuam per crucifixum vt mihi Epistolis tuis siue tacendarum siue dicendarum hypostaseon detuâ— auctoritas Ibidem Non nouivitalem miletum respuo ignoro Paulinum Quicunque tecum non colligit spargit hoc est qui christi non est Antichristi est and most instaÌ„tly besought Pope Damasus to commaund him and give him authority to say either three hypostases or but one And finally doth conclude that hee who would not be ruled by the pope in such doubtfull causes was none of Christs flocke but belonged to Antichrist Let S. Hierom then bee taken for a perfect patterne of true obedieÌ„ce vnto the popes senteÌ„ces and let M. Abbot staÌ„d for an exaÌ„ple of wranglers and perverters of the ancieÌ„t fathers true meaning And for that M. Abbot brags in the end of this discourse that hee told not one lie in it which might bee taken for a miracle if it were true Let the reader know that hee belieth here that worthy patriarch Paulinus Ex phan heres 77. wheÌ„ he saith of him that hee taught not the doctrine of Peter in that questioÌ„ For Paulinus was of no other opinioÌ„ touching the blessed Trinity then was that great light of that parte of the world S. Athanasius as witnesseth that sound recorder of antiquity most holy Bishop Epiphanius So that for no other cause in the world did S. IeroÌ„ write vnto pope Damasus for finall resolutioÌ„ of that difficulty theÌ„ for that hee was fully perswaded that it beloÌ„ged vnto the Bishop of Rome rather theÌ„ to any other Patriarch to determine all such hard doubtfull questioÌ„s M. Abbots key-cold glosse takeÌ„ out of Erasmus his scholies vpoÌ„ that Epistle is not worth the answering for hee being but a late and slipperie writer no fast hold can bee taken on him Againe his words bee as vncertaine as hee that spoke theÌ„ he supposeth that the Cyty of Rome may hap to degenerate in the end May hapso may hap no. So the Bishop of Rome do continue alwaies Orthodox as we make no doubt but through the vertue of our Saviours praier hee shall our pole-starr in darke questions shall alwaies remayne firme and cleere Though the city of Rome which god forbid should bee ouerrun either by the Turke or by any other wicked race of misbelieuers to wars the later end of the world as it was in the beginning of the Christian religion ruled by heathen Emperors Of M. Abbots interpretation of S. Peters faith and coÌ„fession hath been spoken sufficiently I hope in the first chapter whither I referre the Reader Hitherto of M. Abbots former resemblances betwene the Donatists and the Papists in steed of iustification wherof hee hath in each of them confessed some one oversight or other besids hee hath made many sorie shifts to vphold them And hath poudered them also with diuers vntruths M. Abbot hauing acquited himself so brauely in his precedent braÌ„ches of comparison now hee will no doubt as worthily and wisely multiply and increase them The first staffe of his multiplication staÌ„deth vpon Donatus the pope as hee stileth him but hee might more modestly haue termed him the Abbot of the Donatists R. AB THAT Archheretike exalted himself aboue the Emperor Optatus l. 3. co â—arm and therby as Optatus reporteth made himself more then a man euen as it were a God bicause there is none aboue the Emperor but God And albeit hee did not expresly call himself God yet he did that which was aequivalent for hee made his party to stand in more feare of him then they did of God Hee advanced himself aboue all other Bishops thinking none comparable to himself Is not the pope of Rome such another Hee hath exalted himself aboue all other Bishops he hath lifted himself aboue the Emperor and therby as Optatus concludeth made a god of himself Extrauag Iohis 22. Cum interim in glossa in edit Par. 1601. cuÌ„ priuilegio Gregorij 13. besids he in effect taketh vpon him to bee God by dispensing against the law of God and by disanulling the institution of Christ yea in very words hee hath yeelded to be called a god leaving yet standing in the glosse of the Canon Law vncorrected Our lord god the pope he will haue men stand in no lesse awe of him then of God himself whiles he maks shew of Gods anger at his coÌ„maund to inflict it where hee will W. B. IF mens owne inventions how silly soever seemed not vnto themselues ouer daintie pretious M. Abbot would haue chosen rather to haue blotted out his former childish resemblances then to haue added new vnto them of the like light nature This his first is so generall on the parte of the Donatists and so vnproper to bee applied to the pope and papists as he tearmeth them that it is worse then naught was there ever any Archheretike that preferred not his owne iudgement and inuention before both Popes and Emperors too if they could not get them to imbrace their heresies and in this high kind of pride and disdaine there was never any perhaps that passed the protestants Grandsier and Ringleader Martin Luther who with his Bible Luther libro aduersus Regem Angliae Ibidem was in his owne conceit to be preferd before a thousand Austins a thousand Ciprians and a thousand churches In the eie of the world I wil be saith hee so honest that they shall not be worthy to loose the lâ—â—chet of my shoe And touching my doctrine I am to Deuils Kaysars kings princes and to all the world too too froward and proude In glossa co praeten sum edictum Imperiale And in another place I Doctor Martin Luther of Iesus Christ an vnworrhy Euangelist do say that the Emperors of Rome Turky and Persia the Pope Cardinals Bishops priests fryers and
ours Now it is to be cōsidered in whether they did well in whether ill To decide this cōtrouersie let vs heare the cēsure of the best Catholike Authors of those times Optatus a most worthy prelate that liued amōg the Donatists Lib 1. con Parm. blamed them greatly for appealing frō the iudgment of Bishops vnto the Emperor constantine the great relateth how the same good Emperor detesteth that their appeale breaking out into these words O furious and mad boldnes they Ad quam appellatio nem constantinus Imperator sic respondit O rabida furoris auda cia sicut in causis gentilium fieri solet appellatio nem inter posuerunt Aug. Ep. 166. Quia constantinus non est ausus de causa episcopi iudicare eam finiendam Episcopis delegauit Idem Epistola 162. Neque est ansus Christianus imperator sic eorum fallaces querelas suscipere vt de iudicio episcorum ipse iudicaret sed alios episcopos dedit a quibus ipsi rursum ad ipsum imperatorem prouocarent quam re illos quemadmodum detestetur audistis eorum peruersitatibus tandem cessit vt de illa causa post episcopos iudicaret a sanctis antitistibus postea veniam petiturus c. like the pagans haue put in an appeale which was from the Bishops to the Emperor S. Austin an other Antagonist of the Donatists in rehearsing the demeanor of the said Emperor towards the same appeale sheweth his owne opinion therabout He first recordeth that the Emperor would not take vpon him to iudge of the iudgments of the Bishops till hee was pressed thervnto by the Donatists impudencie which to represse hee finallie gaue them the hearing yet vnder the correction of the Bishops meaning afterward to craue pardon of them therfore all this that great doctor hath set downe in expresse tearmes further S. Athanasius of this matter vseth these words If the iudgmēt of this cause belōg to Bishops what hath the Emperor to do therwith if contrarywise these thinges be forged by the threates of Emperors what need is there of Bishops when was it euer heard that the iudgmēt of the church took its authority from the Emperour he relateth there this sentēcee of the great Hosius to the Emperor Athanasius epist ad solitar vitam agentes Si istud est iudicium episcoporum quid commune cum eo habet imperator sin contra ista minis Caesaris constantur quid opus est hominibus titulo episcopis quando a condito aeuo auditum est quod iudicium Ecclesiae authoritatē suā ab imperatore accepit ibidem in epistola Hosii ad Imperatorem Ne te misceas ecclesiasticis neque nobis in hoc genere praecipe sed potius ea a nobis disce tibi Deus imperium commisit nobis qua sunt ecclesiae concredidit intermedle not with ecclesiasticall causes nor cōmaund vs in that kind but rather learne those matters of vs God hath giuē you the Empire but hath cōmitted to vs the charge of the church To whō I will ioyne S. Ambrose who to the Emperor Valētinian addresseth this discourse whē haue you heard most gratious Emperor that laymē did iudge ouer Bishops in causes of faith Surely if your sacred maiesty please to pervse the course of holy scriptures or practise of former times you shall find none that deny bishops in matter of faith Ambros l. 2 epist 13. ad Aug. valentin Quando audisti clemētissime imperator in causa fidei laicos de episcopis iudicasse c. At si certe vel scripturarum seriem diuinarum vel vetera tempora retractemus qui◠est qui abnuat in causa fidei in causa inquam fidei Episcopos solere de imperatoribus Christianis non imperatores de episcopis iudicare c. Pater tuus deo fauente vir maturioris atatis qui dicebat non est meu◠iudicare inter Episcopos c. in matter I say of faith to haue been Iudges over Emperors not Emperors ouer Bishops your father being by the fauour of God a man of riper yeres did say it belongeth not to me to iudg ouer Bishops It being then most certain and evident by the verdit of S. Athanasius Hosius S. Ambrose S. Austin and Optatus that the Catholike church in that her natiue purity did mainteyne that opinion that temporall Princes had no authoritie to determyne ecclesiasticall causes The Donatists therin agreed with the true Catholike church and when they did fly from the iudgment of Bishops vnto temporall princes as supreme iudges in causes ecclesiasticall then they traced out the pathway vnto the protestants misbelief and therin were condemned and the protestants in them by the verdict of the most approued Prelats and best learned doctors of the primitiue church Let this then bee scored vp for a principall resemblance betweene the protestants and the Donatists R. AB 4. THe Donatists by false rumors discouraged men from coming to church and gaue out of the Catholike Bishops that some of them at the time of celebration of the sacraments Optatus l. 3. 7. did set an image vpon the aultar or communion table wherat the minds of men were greatly moued and euery one said hee that tasteth therof tasteth of a prophane thing so contrary was it holden to religion then which M. Bishop approueth now to set images vpon the Aultar But in this also the Papists are their followers who in the like sort devise rumors and tales of our divine service to make men abhorre to haue communion with vs. W. B. THis resemblance is more common then the high way For men of what religion soever they bee do seeke out reasons to disswade others from participation in holy rites with all other religions and specially from that which is most contrarie to their owne And neuer were any sectaries that deuised more lewd and vile slanders of any religion then the protestants haue done of the Roman And among others they do vse the verie same motiue of the Donatists to discourage men from going to masse To wit that there are Images in the churches set vpon the high aultars So that M. Abbot in multiplying his resemblances doth but multiply and increase the protestants conformity with the Donatists to the shame of their owne religion what kind of Image that was which the Donatists rumored should bee set vpon the Aultar for of the communion table or of Ministers there was no newes in the old daies of Optatus but of Aultars sacrifice and priests it is not certaine whether it were of Dragons and Leopards such as the protestants set vp in their churches or rather of some false God I cannot find in that Author Only I am assured it could not bee of any holy picture of Christ or of anie of his Saints such as Catholiks place in their churches because long before that in Tertullians daies there was engraven vpon the chalice wherin they offred vp the sacrifice of Christs
addeth in another place whosoeuer shall not receiue you nor heare your wordes Math. 10 15. going forth out of the house and citie shake of the dust from your feet Amen I say to you it shal bee more tolerable for the land of the Sodomits and Gomorrheans in the daie of iudgment then for that city Behold how straightly wee are charged to heare and beleeue Christs witnesses the pastors and Doctors of the Catholike church If wee do otherwise wee shal bee taken to despise Christ and to despise his heavenly father and shall find no lesse intollerable iudgment then did the stinking and abhominable Sodomites Moreouer the pastors of the Catholike church are not only Christs bare witnesses and Ambassadors but they bee also our spirituall governors Act. 20.28 Posuit vos Spiritus sanctus regere ecclesiam Dei The holie Ghost hath appointed you to gouerne the church of God If they bee our governors wee must obey them Hebr. 13.17 Obedite prepositis vestris subiacete eis Obey your Prelats and bee subiect vnto them hee that resisteth power Rom. 13.2 resisteth the ordinance of God And of all governors the spirituall that do represent our Saviour in a higher degree are most to bee respected Therfore more hainous is the offence of euerie one that doth obstinatlie withstand them then of others that withstande their temporall prince Math. 18.17 Qui ecclesiam non audiverit sit tibi tanquam Ethnicus Publicanus Hee that will not heare the church let him bee taken for a heathen and a publican whervpon there is commonly in all generall councels Anathema an excommunication and curse vpon all them that shall not beleeue all and euerie article of faith in the same generall couÌ„cell declared and determined which doth most manifestly demonstrate that any man who shall refuse to beleeue any one article of faith by the church declared to bee such is worthie to bee excommunicated that is to bee depriued of the societie of Christians in this world and consequentlie of the fruition of Christ in the world to come if they do not in time repent whence I gather this short argument hee that refuseth to beleeue Gods witnesses the pastors of his church and our spirituall governours in any one article of faith deserueth to bee condemned but they that hope to bee saued in their owne religion of whom wee now speake do refuse to bâ—leeue Gods church in some article or other of the Catholike faith therfore they deserue to bee condemned For the further explication of the great conveniencie and necessitie wee haue to beleeue and obey the Catholike church in matters of faith let is bee well weighed that it doth in manner as much import vs vpon whose credit wee beleeue anie thing as what wee do beleeue for such is the weaknes and vncertaintie of our owne Iudgment that wee neede nothing more then to haue an assured guid to coÌ„duct vs safelie in the high matters of divinitie which do farr surmount our naturall vnderstanding and capacitie Because as the Apostle discourseth divinelie faith is of hearing How shall wee then beleeue Rom. 10. without a preacher and how shall any man preach vnto vs without hee bee sent which is as much to say that without the helpe of some bodie sent from God to teach vs what wee haue to beleeue wee cannot beleeue aright wherfore it doth wonderfully much import vs to make right choice of this instructer for such as our guid and director is such is our faith If our guide bee blind wee following him shall blindly fall into the ditch with him If hee see cleare if he bee well aduised staid and certaine following him wee shall be assured to walke in the streight path For example The Turks beleeue in one God maker of heauen earth as wee do yet haue they not the true faith therof as wee haue because they haue not the same guid and instructer for that article that wee haue They be led to beleeue that by the credit which they giue to the ministers of Mahomet who out of his Alcaron teach them so to beleeue in God wee beleeue the same for that the Catholike church doth so teach vs in the first article of our Creed Ours is the act of true faith because wee are directed by the true church that cannot deceiue vs. The Turkes perswasion is no act of true faith for that hee taketh it on the credit of them that may deceiue him And do without doubt in manie other points deceiue him wherfore whether they do in this or no hee is vncertaine and consequently his persuasion being vncertaine hee cannot haue anie true faith which is certaine and without all peradventure In like manner the Iewes albeit they haue the old testament for their foundation yet being destitute of an vndoubtable directer and taking for their blind guides their Talmud and Rabbins are cleane voide of all true faith because their perswasion also relieth vpon them that may and do verie often misleade and beguile them For come to some other question of faith yea to the principall and ground of all the rest that is to beleeue Iesus Christ to bee the sonne of God and the true Messias and redeemer of the world The Turke not finding that in his Alcaron nor the Iew in the old testament according to the exposition of their Sinagogue do most blindly and obstinatlie refuse to beleeue it See then of what importance the direction of a true sincere guide is in all matters of faith wherfore it hath pleased the vnsearchable wisdome of our blessed Saviour to giue vnto all his faithfull servants for a most assured guide his best beloued spouse the Catholike church 1. Tim 3. the piller and ground of truth to whom hee being to depart out of this world bequeathed the holie Ghost to teach her all truth Ioh. 14.16 and that at all times vnto the worlds end I will aske my father and hee will giue you another Paraclete that hee may abide with you for euer Ioh. 16. when the Spirit of truth cometh hee shall teach you all truth Therfore it is great reason that wee should both acknowledge our blessed maisters carefull providence over vs in providing vs such a guide and also take our selues fast bound to obey the same holie church in all her declarations made to that purpose It is not then without exceeding great cause that all good Christians even from their infancy are taught to beleeue this that they neuer afterward faile therin And that they may the better remenber the same good lesson which doth so much import all men to learne perfectly they do from thence forth make dailie profession therof when they saie in their creed I beleeue the holie Catholike church That is I do not onlie beleeue that there is one holie Catholike church but I professe to beleeue what the same church doth teach mee to beleeue all and everie article of faith
without exception against any one of them for if I do beleeue her in one and not in another I am become such a chooser as the Latines following the Grecians call hereticus an heretike and do indeed shew that I do not assuredlie beleeue the church as Gods interpreter that cānot erre but onlie so farre forth as I thinke good And then it may bee asked mee why I do beleeue her at all if she do but now and then tell the truth for it may bee that then shee doth not say true when I do beleeue her To put vs out of all these doubts and difficulties the selected gouernours of the church the maisters of the world Christes hoy Apostles before they did depart to preach the Gospell to all nations set downe this for a most assured principle of the Christian faith I beleeue the holie Catholike church to teach all Christians that in those supernaturall misteries of the kingdome of heauen wee must not leane to the light of nature or trust to our owne Iudgments or follow the advise of everie one that will take vpon him to bee a maister but hold our selues preciselie to that which the holie Catholike church doth teach vs obeie her fullie and wholie in all things Out of the premises this argument may bee framed directly to our purpose No man can bee saued vnles hee follow the direction of the one holie Catholike church in all matters of faith but they that bee of opinion that euerie man may bee saued in his religion do not follow the direction of the Catholike church which doth teach all men to imbrace and follow one only faith and religion wherfore they that will not imbrace the said one only faith which the Catholike church teacheth cannot bee saued To make this more plaine and probable let vs in a word or two examine the speciall meanes that the protestants vse to attaine vnto the true vnderstanding of Gods word and therby vnto saluation where wee must obserue by the way that wee all agree in this that there is nothing to bee beleeued which is not by God reuealed vnto vs. The Protestants do hold all that to bee written either in the old or new Testament wherin wee dissent from them teaching all revealed verities not to bee written in the Bible but some of them to passe from father to sonne by word of mouth and by tradition Of which difference here I doe not dispute but wee all taking for our ground Gods owne and onely word revealed written or vnwritten do inquire how wee come to the true vnderstanding of it wee say by the explication and declaration of the Catholike church The Protestants approue not that meanes but vnder the colour of mans inuentions reiecting of it do either leane to their owne iudgment learning or follow the authoritie of their chiefe preachers or els runne to the revelation of the Spirit speaking inwardlie to their spirits Now if none of all these bee assured meanes to attaine vnto the true vnderstanding of Gods word then their faith that relieth principally theron cannot bee assured Some of them in great zeale simplicitie will say that they relie only on the word of God but good poore soules they know not well what they saie for the question being about the vnderstanding of the same word of God wee affirming the word to bee for vs they denying that and chalenging it to bee for them who shall iudge whether of our pretentions to the same word bee true they will conferre one texte with another so will wee and consider all circūstances too wee will repaire also to the originals haue respect vnto the Analogie of faith briefly wee will vse all humane diligēce pray also to God to assist vs supernaturally yet whē wee haue all done wee come to no agreemēt who shall thē agree vs If they would come with vs to the Catholike churches determination in some generall councell wee should quickly haue an end but they vpon one vaine pretext or other fly of and will finally follow no other then one of those three guids before named wherof the first which is their owne learning and Iudgment bee it neuer so great yet they maie mistake and fall into error Omnis enim homo mendax Rom. 3. For every man is subiect to bee deceiued specially when they bee in passion and striue to vphold and make good their owne conceites against others for then they do oftentimes run astray verie strangelie Secondly the Protestants that relie vpon the reputation and credit of their preachers how can they set vp their rest vpon them assuredlie for that first their masters being men may bee deceiued aswell as other men maie be and that they are in deed deceiued not only the Catholiks who are the farre greater and founder part of Christians do affirme but those also that they themselues hold for men of God do testify the same For example Martin Luther with his disciples repute Zuinglius Calvin and all the troupe of Sacramentaries to bee deceiuing masters and to erre damnablie in the matter of the blessed Sacrament On thother side the Sacramentarie protestants do all teach that Luther with all his followers erred as in many other points so principally in that matter of the reall presence which of these two to omit diuerse other their contradictions shall a poore protestant beleeue and follow both hee cannot because what the one affirmeth thother denieth and each of them saith that the other is deceiued Hee thē taking them both for true of their words must needs beleeue neither of them for that the one avoucheth the other to bee in error Hee maie leaning to his owne Iudgment and liking rather follow one of them then the other yet hee cannot do that without some feare of being deceiued himself because hee hath so many euen of his owne side to bee against him wherfore he can haue no faith at all in these points For faith is an assured perswasion of that to bee true which you do beleeue without anie doubt or feare of the contrarie Let vs now come to their last refuge and surest hold as some take it of the spirit which is indeed the most wauering and vncertaine guide of all the rest For doth not the Lutherans grosser spirit buzze into their braines that they haue found out the light of the Gospell yes I warrant you saies euery good Lutheran Not so saith the purer and nimblet spirit of the Calvinists it was but the dawning of the daie that appeared to M. Luther the light of the Gospell began then only to peepe vp but the bright beames therof brake not out till M Caluins doctrine glittered The more brisk spirite of the Brownists doth assure thē that the nooneday light of the same Gospell shineth onlie in their Horizon And what shall wee say to the Anabaptists who as they bee the most frantike of all other so they brag most of all of verie familiar
diuine sauiour to testify of himselfe that one of the principall causes for which hee was made man was to publish and declare those heauenly verities vnto mankind Ioan. 18.37 for this saith hee was I borne and for this came I into the world that I may giue testimony to the truth and for the same purpose as hee was sent himself from his heauenly father so did he send his Apostles and disciples into all coasts of the earth that they might annouÌ„ce and preach the same diuine doctrine vnto all nations Math 24 14. This Gospell of the kingdome shal bee preached to the whole world in testimonium omnibus gentibus for a testimonie to men of all countries And as it hath pleased God to make choice of some certen persons to be principall preachers to the same his diuine word so his will and ordinaunce is that none of his seruants shall bee ashamed to make professioÌ„ of anie part therof wheÌ„ it shall concerne either the honour of God or the good of his neighbor The first reason therof may bee collected out of that which went before thus if our blessed Lord and redeemer Christ Iesus was borne to giue testimony to the truth everie good Christian that is a liuely member of his misticall bodie must needs take himself also to be borne anew to the same end and purpose and therfore when time and place do require it they must either testify the truth publikely or shew themselues bastards and cowards much vnworthie the name of Christians The chosen vessell of grace S. Paul speaketh learnedly and noblie when be saith corde creditur ad iustitiam ore autem fit confessio ad salutem By harâ— wee beleeue to iustification but by mouth confession is made to saluation Like as there must bee a pious and devout inclination of the soule to bow it to the obedience of faith wherby as by the prime meanes we attaine to Iustification even so to arriue happely vnto the hauen of saluation we must by word of mouth make open professioÌ„ therof For if one should bee conuented before the magistrate and questioned about his faith if he then do not stand to the profession of it he first depriues Almighty God of that due honour which wee all do owe vnto his diuine Maiestie for we shewe our selues to feare men more then him and do besides betray his truth and make it contemptible in the estimation of the beholders For how should other men be induced to value Gods testimonies at that high rate at which king Dauid who was a most cunning spirituall Ieweller set them when hee said They are to be desired much aboue Gold and the rich pretious stone If they see them that are accounted Gods seruants wisemen to set so light by them that they are euen ashamed to make profession of them Is it not a great dishonor to Gods cause to see his followers wheÌ„ it comes to the triall to turne the shoulder and shrinke awaie from it The vngodlie do assemble together to out-countenance the truth of God to reuile and vilify his seruants to terrifie all the beholders from the embracing of his truth And Gods vnworthy and faint-harted souldiers called thither to vphold his honor and to testifie the verity therof to all the assemblie be dumbe and dare not speake one word in defence of it Shall not such men in vpright iudgment bee conuinced to haue forsaken God when hee stood in most need of their seruice and to haue betraied his cause by not defending of it at all when they were called forth to haue â—â—oken in defence of it yes verily for their inditement is already drawen and registred by that great cleark S. Iohn the Euangelist vnder the name of certaine principall persons among the Iews in these words Ioah 12.42 Of the Princes also many beleeued in Christ but for the Pharises they did not confâ—sse that they might not bee cast out of the Sinagogue for they loued the glorie of men more then the glory of God Those Princes partlie to keepe their credit with that state and partlie for fearâ— of being cast out of the Sinagogue durst not confesse Christ though they beleeued in him Is not this the very case of them that beleeue our faith and religion to bee the true Catholike faith and religion yet to keepe their credit in the world or to avoide those discommodities which by professing of the Catholike faith they should incurre dare not come to that noble act of confessing it they must needs therfore yeeld theÌ„selues guiltie of that which foloweth in the same text that they loue the glorie of men more then the glory of God They had rather please bee well thought of by poore mortall creatures for condescending to do what they would haue them to doe then to bee highlie esteemed of their most dreadfull lord and Creator as his trustie faithfull seruants They do ouer and besides wonderfullie scandalise their poore brethren that bee of the same religion wherof the weaker sort are by their ill exaÌ„ple shaken and induced to forsake their faith And the stronger cannot but greatlie grieue to see Gods cause so wretchedly betrayâ—d and their infirme brethren scandalized To say nothing of the glory and triumph which they leaue vnto Gods enimies as conquerors ouer his feeble seruantes and the occasion they giue them to harden their harts in their errors wherfore as principally for the honor of God and his holie cause so also that we giue no offence vnto his faithfull seruants or occasion of ioy to his aduersaries wee must plucke vp our spirits when wee bee called to answere in matters of religion And not regard either the shame of the world or anie temporall losse that therby may betide vs but lift our harts to heauen and consider how honorable it wil bee in the sight of Angels how gratefull to God and acceptable to our glorious blessed Saviour to acknowledg him before men not to feare or be abashed to giue testimony to his truth in the presence of his enemies which we shall the sooner and more willingly performe if wee then call to mind these his most comfortable words Math. 10 22. Every one therfore that shall confessâ— me before men I will confesse him before my father which is in heauen Behold what esteeme and great reckening Christ maketh of this out ward confession of his truth though he shall get to himself litle or nothing therby yet wee shall gaine exceeding much in that we shall purchase his extraordinary fauour against the daie of our last reckening be therfore most gratiously welcomed of him and by himselfe be presented to his heauenlie father in the presence of that most glittering and noble company of heauen as verie faithfull and stout seruants that stood valiantlie for the defence of his cause in the face of the enemie we shall then heare these most confortable and ioyfull words Euge serue bone fidelis