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A47734 An answer to a book, intituled, The state of the Protestants in Ireland under the late King James government in which, their carriage towards him is justified, and the absolute necessity of their endeavouring to be free'd from his government, and of submitting to their present Majesties, is demonstrated. Leslie, Charles, 1650-1722. 1692 (1692) Wing L1120; ESTC R994 223,524 303

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of K. James II. when he came among them sacrificing his Interest to the carrying on of their own Designs did justly deserve that Judgment which fell upon them in the Issue of that War We have done with their Loyalty at least their Mouths are stopt against the Defection of so many of the Church of England Of the Roman Catholicks of England And I think the Roman Catholicks of England too are not to insult For though the Oaths be not come to them and therefore we cannot say certainly whether they will Swear or not yet there lies this against them viz. in their publick Chapels here in London they pray for K. W. and Q. M. which some of their Communion told me I hear that all the Protestant Non-Jurors say There is the same Argument against praying as swearing And of all their number none did allow himself to pray but Dr. Sherlock alone who as he tells in the Preface to his Recantation stood single among the Non-swearing Clergy upon this account and you see he did not stay with them But the same Principle that led him to pray brought him to swear too rather than stick out Therefore let not these Roman Catholicks be high-minded because others have fallen but rather fear lest having gone already Dr. Sherlock's length of Praying they may come to Swear like him if they should be pinch'd as he was Nay I have heard several of them argue for the Lawfulness of it only they would keep from it as long as they could I say not that this does conclude upon others who do not so but it may make them more modest in rejoycing over our Fall Non-Jurors of the Church of England Upon the whole I must say That there are none have cleverly stuck to the Principles they profess'd but the Non-jurors of the Church of England For as they profess'd them all along in the same sense they have stuck to them now and have given that demonstration of their being in earnest that they are content to lose all rather than deviate from them And this is one Discovery among the rest that this Revolution has made It has discovered the inflexible Loyalty of these Men whom neither personal Injuries nor Attempts upon their Religion Liberty or Property can move from that Duty to the King which they think a Principle of their Religion and this is a high Vindication of their Religion and a Recommendation of it But now we are upon the Discovery let us not forget to do Justice to all We cannot forget the Rise and Source of our Disease whence all these Evils we now feel and foresee have come upon us and that is our wicked Presbyterian Rebellion against K. C. 1. which banished his Children into Popish Countries God thereby fulfilling a just Judgment upon these Unchristian Rebels Presbyterian Loyal●y permitting his Son to suck in the Principles of Roman Catholick Religion of which these Hypocrites against their own Consciences accus'd his Father and on that pretence instigated his deluded Subjects to Rebell against him Therefore it is plainly the Presbyterians we have to thank for K. J's being a Roman Catholick and all the ill Consequences which depend upon it God often in his All-wise Providence suffers Rebellion to bring on those same Evils for prevention of which we chose to Rebell as the Jews crucified Christ lest the Romans should come Joh. 11.48 and his Death brought the Romans who did take away their Place and Nation This had been an Application more befitting a Divine and to have warn'd us of those Sins which have provok'd God to send his Judgments amongst us rather than to bite the Stone not minding the Hand that threw it to lay all upon K. J. if it had been true But to tell down-right Untruths of him or to misrepresent the Truth to appear other than really it is which is likewise Lying and perhaps the more wicked of the two being harder to be discovered and so more apt to impose upon unwary and unthinking People This is direct Diabolical the Office and the Denomination of the Adversary and false Accuser Popish Principles which are embraced It had been a more proper and serviceable Undertaking of this Author to justifie himself and others of his complection from this Imputation and several other things formerly rail'd at against Popery as the Deposing Doctrine Dispensing with Oaths Jesuitical Equivocations and Mental Reservations Not keeping Faith with Hereticks c. where we own we must have kept the same Promises made to another and all this or any other Falsity or Immorality to be allow'd for the Good of the Church If to preserve the Protestant Religion will excuse us to dispense with God's Commands as much as we say the Papists have done to preserve their Church we must expect that the Protestant Religion will grow as hateful to all good Men as the Church of Rome is to the most Bigotted against it or the Jewish Doctrine of Corban which dispenses with the fifth Commandment upon the same Pretences viz. for the Good of the Church to enrich the Treasury of the Temple or the Phanatick Confession of Faith That Dominion is founded in Grace But all these have the Advantage of our Church of England Clergy The Jews had the Tradition of their Elders to plead and the Church of Rome have their Great Council of Lateran for the Deposing Doctrine the Council of Constance for Violating Faith to Hereticks c. and they have their Traditions too for the Benefit of the Church and the Presbyterian has his Solemn League and Covenant But the Church of England Clergy are destitute of all these Helps There is nothing of these but the direct contrary in all her Articles Homilies Canons Rubricks or any Constitutions of her Church The Church of England Vindicated And the Metropolitan of all England with a Quorum of Bishops and several hundreds of the Inferiour Clergy have adhered to the Doctrine of their Church and suffered themselves to be Deprived rather than act or teach contrary to it Therefore this cannot be called a Defection of the Church of England but only of particular Persons who have done it in opposition to their Superiors in the Church as well as in the State and let them answer for it but let the Reputation of the Church be preserved It has already received both a Testimony and a Vindication from the Mouth of K. J. himself who as some present have told when an Irish Lord at Dublin attending upon His Majesty at Supper began to reproach the Church of England for her Apostacy from her former Principles of Loyalty c. The King reply'd They are the Church of England who have kept to the Principles of the Church of England The Lord made Answer But Sir how few are they in comparison with the rest The King said They are more than Christ had to begin Christianity with And all Rightful Kings of England have this
threatned to visit the Sins of the Fathers upon the Children to the third and fourth Generation His Blood be on us and our Children Matth. 27.25 lyes heavy upon the Jews to this Day And Sir that Ocean of Blood spilt in one of your Revolutions must lye at some door or other And an Age or two will not do away the Guilt of this I am afraid the Blood of Charles the Martyr and all shed in that Rebellion against him lyes still upon these Nations They cannot Repent while they maintain the same Principles which rais'd that Rebellion They are come to that that they are not afraid nor asham'd publickly in Print and in Coffee-houses to justifie that Civil War as our Author would call it against King Charles the First In this Years Almanacks sold about the Streets Partridge's Almanack for the Year 1692. the 30th of January is left out with Good-friday Ashwednesday and other Superstitious Days And instead of these he puts into his Chronology some of the black Aspersions cast upon King Charles the First as the Murther of King James the First and what he thinks were the Arbitrary Proceedings of his Reign and setting up of Popery And he reckons as Festivals the Successes of the Parliament Army against the King as the Battle at Naseby Fatal says he to the Tories and Papists so he styles the Loyal Party He tells you of that King 's deserting his Parliament which is as good as Abdication of his dispensing Judges c. and Bishop Laud being Beheaded for Treason against the Nation That was the style of Treason in these days and best lik'd still set up even by this Author who give Army Treasury and all from the King to the Nation as before is told These are small Signs of Repentance And therefore we have but small hopes that this Age is yet free'd from the Blood spilt the two or three last Ages In which there is yet a farther Consideration and that is That Children may not only suffer Temporal Punishments for the Sins of their Fathers But that Men may really make other Mens Sins their own by Approving and Incouraging them Nay but by consenting to them as St. Paul reckon'd himself Guilty of the Murther of St. Stephen because he only held their Clothes who stoned him Thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy Neighbour and not suffer Sin upon him or that thou bear not Sin for him as our Margent reads it Lev. 19.17 This is every Man's Duty But especially of the Clergy who are appointed by God Watch-men for this very purpose And if God will require at their hands the Blood of all the Souls that Perish through their Negligence or Cowardise in not warning them against their Sin as we are expresly told Ezek. 33. What will become of those Clergy-men What will their Judgment be who lead their Flocks by their Example to Sin Who justifie and maintain their Sin And imploy their Wit and their Learning to find out Distinctions and Salvoes to keep their Flocks from Returning and Repenting Who defend or palliate the Wickedness of former Ages to give Countenance to the Crying Sins of this That as our Saviour told the Jews Matt. 23.35 36. all the Blood shed in all former Ages from Abel may come upon this Generation Surely those Clergy who plead for the Murthers and Rebellions of former Times make themselves more Guilty of that Blood than many of the Ignorant hands that shed it And thus we may not only bring upon our selves the Blood which we incourage other Men to spill in our own Time and what has been spilt in former Ages by our defending it But we involve our selves more expresly in the Guilt of the Blood that shall be spilt to the end of the World by the Influence of our Actions or Writings Because to incourage and contribute towards the committing of a Sin is in some sort being the Author of it at least it is being Guilty of it in a nearer degree than only approving of it when it is done These Considerations I earnestly recommend to this Author's second Thoughts that he may have a view of the vast Sin he has run himself into if his new Principles do not hold The Blood that is has been or shall be spilt upon this Quarrel to the end of the World Some conjecture That the Reason of Dives being so importunate for the Salvation of his Brethren was not out of Charity to their Souls which is not suppos'd to be in damn'd Spirits but because his Sufferings increas'd in Hell to the same proportion that his Example upon Earth incourag'd others to Sin whereby we may suppose his Brethren to have been chiefly Infected The Application I make is the Danger of transmitting any thing to Posterity in Writing which may in the least favour any Sin especially that of Blood which crys till it be avenged And the greater credit our Author's Book has with some for of People its infection will be the greater and he have the more to Answer for Therefore he ought to be very sure that his Reasons are good upon which he Pawns the Salvation of his own Soul and of so many Millions With this Preparation I hope he will look again with an impartial Eye upon these Reasons he has produc'd and consider whether they will bear such a Weight as he has laid upon them He says p. 3. n. 3. If we look into History we shall find the best the happiest and most prosperous People most jealous of their Liberty and while they continue firm in their Resolution of maintaining it against the Enchroachments of their Governors even with the hazard of their Lives they have continued Great and Happy This is but saying instead of proving and it is absolutely denied You have seen the Opinion of a Roman and a Greek Plutarch and Lucan upon the Case and many more are to be produc'd to shew that Rome and other Countries were never so miserable as in their Contests for Liberty against their Governors Among all of whom there is not a more pregnant and sad Example than that of England Nor will the Fate of Holland be an Exception from this Rule Reckon first their many years Civil War and innumerable Slaughters which their own Histories relate were occasion'd by their Contests for Liberty against the Crown of Spain to which they were then Subjects And they have liv'd since in almost continual War with all their Neighbors They have been in daily danger of being swallow'd up as by the Sea so by France sometimes and sometimes by Spain and have been kept up chiefly as a ballance 'twixt contending Princes It was but in Queen Elizabeth's Reign that they stil'd themselves the poor distressed States and it is but a very few Years since we saw France in possession of most of their Towns and had been of all the rest if King Charles II. had not interpos'd and taken that critical Minute to rescue his Nephew the P.
the ruine of the Army and that there could be found no hands so cheap and easie to be got or any that would be more hearty and faithfull than the Protestants of this Countrey who having their particular Interests seconded by Natural and Religious motives must be more zealous in carrying on this War than any foreign or mercenary Soldiers as is evident by what has been done by the London-derry and Eneskillen Soldiers who are and were made up of the meanest and lowest People of this and the neighbouring Provinces You cannot forget who offered and that at their own charge on our first landing here to block up Charlemont and to raise Regiments to secure the Northern Garisons that the established Army might have the more leisure to attend the motions of the publick Enemy and I presume you cannot but as well remember who ridiculed scorned and contemned all motions of that kind and who affirmed and that openly that the Protestants of this Province ought rather to be treated as Enemies than Friends and that the best of them had either basely complied with K. J. and his Party or cowardly left and deserted their Countrey that the Goods and Stocks of the Protestant inhabitants once seized by the Enemy were forfeited and ought not to be restored but given as encouragement to the Soldiers that all Papists ought to be plundred and none protected that the restoration of Civil Government was a diminution of the power of the General and the Army and that all the Protestants inhabitants of this Province were false to the present Government and ought not to be trusted with places of Trust or Power that as their Persons were not to be trusted so their Oaths and Complaints were neither to be believed nor redressed that so an easier and a safer approach might be made to invade the little left them by the Irish That all endeavours of the settlement of a publick Revenue were designs to oppress the Army that free quartering was the least retaliation that Protestants could give for being restored to their former Estates that Religion is but Canting and Debauchery the necessary Character of Soldiers If to these you add the Pressing of Horses at pleasure Quartering at pleasure Robbing and Plundering at pleasure denying the People Bread or Seed of their own Corn though the General by his publick Proclamation requires both and some openly and publickly contemning and scorning the said Proclamation whereby multitudes of Families are already reduced to want of Bread and left only to beg or steal or starve These being the Practices and these the Principles and both as well known to you as to me can it be wondered that the oppressed Protestants here should report us worse than the Irish or can it be wondered that God should pursue us with his dreadfull Judgments who have so provoked him with our daring sins Or can we rationally expect God should fight for us while we thus fight against him We may as well expect Grapes from Thornes and Figs from Thistles as success to a Protestant Cause from such hands Can we expect Sodom to destroy Babylon or Debauchery to destroy Popery Our Enemy fights with the Principle of a mistaken Conscience against us we against the conviction of our own Principles against them What I have learned of the Enemies Principles and Practices since I left you I shall here inform you and reduce what I have to say to these two general heads 1. The frequent Discourse of their King 2. His publick Declarations and Proclamations for the well government of his Army 1. As to his private Discourse 1. He expresseth great Zeal and passionate Affection to his English Subjects in so much that both French and Irish often say of him as he did of K. David That he loves his Enemies and hates his Friends 2. He is heard often to desire his Officers That in their Engagement with the English they should be treated as mistaken Subjects and not as obstinate Rebels 3. He is heard often to declare That since he rightly understood Christianity he ever asserted Christian Liberty as well in his past Prosperity as his present Adversity 4. That all Perswasions in matters of Religion Who have most Charity and least of Severity are most agreeable to Christianity 5. He is often heard to complain That he ever observed an aptitude and propensity in Persons of Power to persecute such as differ from them 6. That this natural aptitude to persecute ought to be restrained by wholesome and effectual Laws 7. That this persecuting Spirit influencing the greater number of all Perswasions especially Persons in Power is the only cause of his Majesty's present Sufferings 8. He is passionately kind to all Deserters and chearfully receives and soon prefers them 9. He pretending his Sufferings to be thus on the account of Conscience seems not to doubt but God will find some unexpected means for his Restauration in 1690. as he did in 1660. 10. He is heard frequently to declare against the Dragooning Persecution of France and the barbarous and inhumane Murders committed on the Protestants of this Kingdom in the year 1641. as passionately and perhaps as sincerely as the Scribes and Pharisees did against their forefathers for persecuting the Prophets To these I think fit to add the particulars of his Majesty's publick Declarations which are ordered to be read once every two months in the head of every Troop and Company in his whole Army and to be fixed up in all the Boroughs and Market-Towns in this Kingdom 1. His Majesty is pleased earnestly to recommend the performance of publick and private Duties to God to all under his command and particularly recommends to the Roman Catholicks of his Army frequent Confessions and strict observation of Sundays and Holy-days 2. He publickly declares what subsistance he allows to every Horse Dragoon and every private Soldier in his Army and what is reserved in the Pay-Master's hands for the Accoutrements and the Hospital 3. He avoids and forbids as unnessary the charge of all Agents and commands the Majors of every Regiment to do that work and to save the charge 4. He strictly requires the private Soldier out of the said Subsistence duly and truly to pay his Quarters 5. In case they shall want their Subsistence they are then required every week to give their respective Landlords a Note under their hands which shall be received by the Receiver General as so much Money out of any Branch of His Majesty's Revenue 6. His Majesty forbids all stragling of private Soldiers from their Garrisons without their Officers Pass and requires all Officers either Military or Civil to apprehend such Soldiers having no Pass and to send them to their Colours to receive punishment according to their demerits 7. His Majesty by the same Proclamation forbids all Plundering on any pretence whatsoever under pain of death without Mercy 8. He requires both Officers and Soldiers under the pain of his high Displeasure to