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A19033	The plea for infants and elder people, concerning their baptisme, or, A processe of the passages between M. Iohn Smyth and Richard Clyfton wherein, first is proved, that the baptising of infants of beleevers, is an ordinance of God, secondly, that the rebaptising of such, as have been formerly baptised in the apostate churches of Christians, is utterly unlawful, also, the reasons and objects to the contrarie, answered : divided into two principal heads, I. Of the first position, concerning the baptising of infants, II. Of the second position, concerning the rebaptising of elder people.	Clyfton, Richard, d. 1616.	1610 (1610)	STC 5450; ESTC S1572	214,939	244

help of God to put a brief answer to these opinions which by the Churches in all ages have bene and are condemned for hereticall the practise whereof I could wish might never have befallen to any of myne owne country especially to them that were partakers with me of the afflictions of Christ for the witnessing of his truth And chiefly vnto him to whose charge both I and divers others had once purposed to have committed our soules had he not besides these broached some former opinions both erronious and offensive wherby the truth for which we suffer is like to be the more blasphemed of the wicked many hindered in our owne country that shall heare thereof of whom we had great hope that they would have walked in the same faith with vs. Notwithstāding for as much as I am informed that the authour hath promised vpon the sight of his errors to confesse the same I do the more willingly take vpon me this labour praying the Lord to give a good yssue to his glory for his mercy sake Amen Mr Smyth A REPLY MADE IN DEFENCE OF TWO truthes viz 1. That Infants are not to be baptised 2. That Antichristians converted are to be admitted into the true Church by baptisme These two truthes are by you Sir in your answer intituled Anabaptisticall c. Rich Clifton Sir Whereas you iustify your two Positions to be two truthes and so ●title your Reply A defence of two truthes And charge me with vsing of ●eproachfull speaches in calling them Anabaptisticall Herevnto I answer ●irst that your two Positions will no more prove two truthes then Ierobo●ns two calves proved two Gods as in my former answer I have shewed ●nd shall by Gods grace more fully manifest in this treatise following Secondly I deny to have vsed any reproach by intituling your erronious opinions Anabatisticall But your self do sinne in calling evill good and darknes light thereby bringing vpon your self that fearfull woe d●nounced by the Lord against such Esa 5. 20. If you repent not 3. Whereas you blesse God that yo● are accounted worthy to suffer rebuke for Christes truth wish me to know that my reproach shall light vpon myne owne head c. I could wish you did not rejoyce in vayne for there is a suffring for evill iustly deserved as well as for the truth 1 Pet. 2. 20. The Iesuites some of them have sufferred vnto death yet had they no cause of reioycing therein seing they suffered for their due desert And so your opinions being termed Anabaptisticall for their vntruthes can bring no true comfort vnto you in suffring for them nor yet my reproach as you call it any iudgement upon my head being warranted to give falsehood her deserved titles Gal. 3. 1. Phil. 3. 2. Gal. 4. 9. As for Christ and his truth which you say are by me evil spoken of it had bene lesse sinne in you to have stayed your pen from publishing of such sclaunders vnlesse you could have proved your Positions the truthes of Christ which I am sure you shall never be able to doe Mr Smyth In your Preface you avouch that your are provoked to write I mervayle you should so speak seing your conscience telleth you did make the first quest or motion ●● Mrs Bywater c. Rich Clifton For Answer herevnto know you Sir and let all men take notice that the thing which you charge me with is most vntrue for presently after you were fallen into these grosse errors came Mr Southworth Mr Br●mhead two of your followers to my chamber as they sayd in kindnes to see me and entred conference with me concerning these opinions saying that they had heard that I had bene enclyned that way when I was in England with some perswasive speaches to consider of this your new walking saying also that you were willing to conferre with me and did wish that eyther I would come to you or els if I were willing you would take paynes to come to me to whom I answered that I never had any thought of imbracing such opinions neither was willing to have any conference with you thereabout which when they heard me so to say they further did solicite me to write with you about these points and sayd that you would as willingly as frendly write with me thereof as you did in England in our former conference concerning excommunication and other differēces then betweene you me offring if I would not beginne that yet I would vouchsafe to read and answer your writing to whom I sayd againe that I would not write first or require your writing for I thought not to have any dealing with you yet being so importuned I tould them that I would be content to read it if you sent it me but for Answere therevnto I I promised none onely I sayd I would consider thereof and so do then as I thought good This was the substance of my speaches to Mr Southworth and Mr Bromehead and of theirs to me Now if this had bene true that I had provoked you by any former speaches it is very like they would have made some relation thereof especially requiring that you might have conference with me neither need you to have sent me word that you would write or conferre if so I pleased and to desire either at my hands as these men did testifie if I had before moved you thereunto But for witnesse hereof you produce Mrs Bywater a gentlewoman ●at hath imbraced your errors with whom after I had received your po●ions which also she sayd she had seen I had speach to this effect that she ●ould be carefull over her self how she entertayned your new opinions af●rming that I was perswaded they were grevous errors and prayed her ●stātly to stay a while vntil your positions might be answered assuring her that I could by Gods help defend this truth we stand for against you with some other words to like purpose Now let the indifferent reader iudge if you have not greatly wronged ●e to say that I did make the first request or motion of writing nay your own act in writing first vnto me your own speaches in this your * Pag. 1. book which are these Certayne reasons propounded to Mr Rich Clifton concerning the two Popositions following as also your adiuring vs to answer you or els you wil proclayme vs subtily blind leaders of the blind into the ditch do witnesse the contrary And that this busynes comes of your self though you seek to lay it vpon my back let your owne conscience iudge as for myne owne part being so provoked I could do no lesse then answer 2. You charge me with perverting of this scripture Jude 3. and say that I ●● neither to plead for Baall nor contend for Antichristian errors And I answer that these being truthes for which I contend as have ben proved sufficiently and shal be God willing as occasion serveth more fully confirmed then am I not guilty of any

reason is from the testimonie of Tertullian Eusebius The words of Tertullian as Mr Sm. himself hath englished them are these Therfore to deferre not to hasten baptisme is more profitable for the condition disposition age of every person but especially as concerning yong children for what 〈…〉 there to bring sureties into danger for the baptising of Infants if there be no 〈…〉 of hastening the baptising of infants Seing the Sureties are disabled often 〈…〉 to performe theire promise both by reason of mortalitie and of the evil dispositi● s●●e children when they come to yeares for whom they promised in baptisme c. ● First concerning Tertullian it is to be noted that thus he writeth ●n he was fallen into the opinions of the Cataphriges or Montanists ●● so held divers errors as Augustine and others have observed out of ● workes And therefore being thus departed from the fayth Let ●e Reader judge if this man be a competent witnesse in this case Yet ●th not this man affirme that infants were not baptised in his tyme but ●ther the contrary in that he makes mention of Sureties for infants say●g what necessitie is there to bring Sureties into danger for the baptising of infants ●hich words do plainly argue that the Church then used to baptise in●ts 2. Agayne that which he affirmeth was his owne private judgment ●d his Reasons are of no weight as the bringing of sureties into daunger and ●● the suerties are disabled oftentymes to performe theire promise c. such sureties ●ot being appointed of God 3. P. Mart. Clas 4. ca. 8. affirmeth that ●●tullian denyed Baptism to yong men and yong widowes and his owne ●rdes here related do seeme to intimate some such like thing in saying 〈…〉 ferre and not to hasten baptism is more profitable for the condition disposition and ●● of every person And this he meaneth of others then yong children For ●er he speaketh of yong children saying especially concerning yong children ● 4. Crispen State of the Church pag. 47. 48. witnesseth that Tertullian brought ● extreeme vnction after baptism the Sygne of the Crosse offering for the dead and ●er the like dreames of the Montanists Now if Tertullians judgment be ●and agaynst infants baptism why not also for extream vnction the sygne ●f the Crosse and the like his errors seing all these are fruits proceeding ●om the same tree But thus this adversary careth not who the witnesse is so he wil speake in favour of his heresy let him be Montanist Papist or what othersoever But let it be further observed that about Tertullians tyme and after some deferred theire baptisme vntil they thought they should dye and so were not baptised vntil they fell into some great sicknes as Theodosius others And this seemeth to be Tertullians error as if baptisme was for washing awaye of sinnes past and not to come Concerning that which Eusebius reporteth of Athanasius his bap 〈…〉 of children in sport I have answered pag. 109. and set downe reasons ● prove that those children were not children of the church but of some o● the heathen which were instructed in the fayth of Christ by the church but were not received into the communion of the same These are the two Auncients that M. Smyth produceth against us whereof neither of the● affirmeth that the church did not baptise infants in those tymes Now to these two I wil oppose other two Auncients amongst many others that do testifie that infants in their tymes and before were baptised viz. Origin who sayth that the church received from the Apostles to give baptisme to infants lib. 5. ad Rom. And Augustine de Bap. contra Donatist lib. 4. cap. 23. who speaking of the Baptisme of Infants sayth that which the whole church holdeth neyther is ordeyned by councels but alwayes hath been holden we are to beleeve to be delivered by Apostolical authoritie The next corruption that the Separation is charged withal is to have a false ministerie Now the Ministers that we have are of Pastors Teachers called thereunto by election of the Church according to these Scriptures Eph. 4 9. 11 12. Rom. 12 7. 8. 1 Cor. 12 28. Acts. 13 1 2. Revel 1 20. Nehem 8 1 8. Mat. 23 2. Mal 2 7. Act. 14. 23. And practise of the primitive churches And of this Ministerie of Pastors and Teachers M. Smyth himself approveth in his Principles pag. 18. and in his Questions and answers pag. 8. printed this last year 1609. he describing the officers of the Church devides them first into Bishops and Deacons then the Bishops into Pastors or Teachers or Elders and withal describeth the Pastor to be a bishop over one particular Church excelling in the word of wisdome The Teacher to be a Bishop over one particular church excelling in the word of knowledge The Governour to be a Bishop of one particular visible Church excelling in wise government Thus hath he written and yet we having no other Ministerie then he himself approveth chargeth us to have a false Ministerie not caring to crosse himself so he may utter his bitternes against the Church of Christ The 3. corruption this adversarie chargeth us withal is false worship of reading books This he sayth but proves it not I will breifly set downe our practise that the Reader may take notice how unjustly we are charged 1. For prayer giving of thanks that is publiquely performed by our Pastor or Teacher who invocate the name of God praise him for his benefits ●s the spirit directs their harts to conceive and giveth utterance ●ithout the use of any book during that action according to those ●ptures Rom. 8. 26. 27. Eph. 6 18 19. Col. 4 2. Act. 6 4. Num. 6 23. ●4 27. Nehem. 9 3 38. Ezra 9 5 15. 10. 1. Ioel. 2 17. 2. They read the holy scriptures translated into our owne language ●me two or three chapters or moe as tyme wil serve shewing briefly the ●eaning thereof Which is warranted by these Scriptures Neh. 8 3 8. ●eut 31 11. Act. 15 21. Col. 4 16. 1 Thes 5. 27. 1 Tim. 4 13. 3. The Pastor or Teacher taketh some Scripture which they ordinarily ●llow and after the reading thereof do expound and apply the same by doctrine exhortation c. to the further edification of the church according to these scriptures Luk. 4. 16. 21. Act. 8. 35. 13 15. and 26. 7. ● Tim. 4 13. 2 Tim. 4 2. And together with the preaching of the word the Sacraments are administred after the rules of Christ with prayer and thankesgiving according to these Scriptures Mat. 28 19. 1 Cor. 11 23. c. Act. 20 7. c. 4. Some of the Psalmes of David before and after the exercise of the ●ord the same being first read and opened by the Pastor or Teacher is ●ing of the whole church together to the praise of God and our own edi●●cation according to these Scriptures Eph. 5 19. Col. 3 16. Mat 26