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A20031 A true, modest, and iust defence of the petition for reformation, exhibited to the Kings most excellent Maiestie Containing an answere to the confutation published under the names of some of the Vniuersitie of Oxford. Together vvith a full declaration out of the Scriptures, and practise of the primitiue Church, of the severall points of the said petition. Sprint, John, d. 1623. Anatomy of the controversed ceremonies of the church of England. 1618 (1618) STC 6469; ESTC S119326 135,310 312

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or_o injury_n of_o any_o state_n and_o if_o the_o confuter_n who_o it_o be_v to_o be_v wish_v do_v no_o more_o despise_v their_o brethren_n than_o they_o be_v despise_v can_v have_v propose_v any_o other_o course_n for_o the_o maintenance_n of_o the_o church_n they_o may_v have_v do_v well_o so_o to_o do_v but_o it_o may_v be_v worthy_o suspect_v that_o they_o can_v hardly_o give_v counsel_n to_o other_o that_o will_v not_o take_v it_o themselves_o that_o they_o which_o take_v upon_o they_o the_o defence_n of_o non-residents_a pluralist_n impropriation_n can_v speak_v for_o the_o maintenance_n of_o the_o church_n ambrose_n say_v may_v well_o fit_a such_o quis_fw-la utilem_fw-la causae_fw-la alienae_n iudicet_fw-la quem_fw-la inutilem_fw-la 12._o lib._n offic_n 2_o 12._o videt_fw-la aquavitae_fw-la suae_fw-la quommodo_fw-la eum_fw-la iudicare_fw-la potes_fw-la superiorem_fw-la consilio_fw-la quem_fw-la vides_fw-la inferiorem_fw-la moribus_fw-la supra_fw-la i_o esse_fw-la debet_fw-la cvi_fw-la i_o committere_fw-la paro_fw-la a_o eum_fw-la idoneum_fw-la putabo_fw-la qui_fw-la mihi_fw-la det_fw-la consilium_fw-la qui_fw-la non_fw-la that_fw-mi sibi_fw-la he_o can_v give_v counsel_n to_o another_o that_o will_v take_v none_o himself_o neither_o can_v he_o be_v superior_a in_o advice_n that_o be_v inferior_a in_o life_n and_o to_o conclude_v nothing_o can_v be_v object_v of_o any_o weight_n or_o moment_n to_o hinder_v so_o good_a a_o work_n and_o so_o princely_a a_o motion_n which_o the_o king_n majesty_n by_o his_o letter_n have_v first_o make_v who_o christian_a zeal_n ought_v to_o make_v other_o forward_a let_v every_o man_n lay_v aside_o his_o own_o private_a respect_n further_a the_o common_a cause_n and_o seek_v the_o general_a good_a of_o christ_n church_n that_o s._n paul_n complaint_n be_v not_o renew_v all_o seek_v their_o own_o and_o not_o that_o which_o be_v jesus_n christ_n phil._n 2._o 27._o and_o hierome_n well_o say_v ne_fw-fr lucra_fw-la saeculi_fw-la in_o christi_fw-la quaeras_fw-la militia_n &c_n &c_n seek_v not_o the_o worldly_a gain_n in_o christ_n service_n the_o defence_n of_o the_o four_o part_n of_o the_o petition_n concern_v church_n discipline_n 1._o obj._n we_o have_v be_v teach_v heretofore_o 20._o ans_fw-fr p._n 20._o that_o discipline_n be_v a_o essential_a part_n of_o the_o gospel_n etc._n etc._n and_o matter_n of_o faith_n ans_fw-fr that_o the_o discipline_n of_o the_o church_n be_v general_o understand_v be_v a_o matter_n of_o faith_n and_o a_o essential_a mark_n of_o the_o church_n i_o hope_v our_o brethren_n will_v not_o deny_v for_o discipline_n comprehend_v not_o only_o the_o administration_n of_o the_o key_n but_o 208._o perpetual_a government_n of_o the_o church_n p._n 208._o ordination_n and_o imposition_n of_o hand_n but_o without_o ordination_n there_o be_v no_o preacher_n how_o shall_v they_o preach_v unless_o they_o be_v send_v rom._n 10._o 15._o and_o without_o preach_v there_o be_v no_o belief_n ibid._n vers_fw-la 14._o wherefore_o without_o some_o part_n of_o discipline_n it_o can_v be_v deny_v but_o that_o the_o church_n be_v no_o church_n faith_n no_o faith_n but_o general_o of_o every_o part_n it_o can_v be_v so_o affirm_v cyprian_n be_v very_o peremptory_a for_o the_o necessity_n of_o discipline_n thus_o write_v apparet_fw-la non_fw-la aliter_fw-la 7._o lib._n 2._o ep_n 7._o ecclesiasticae_fw-la saluti_fw-la consuli_fw-la posse_fw-la etc._n etc._n it_o appear_v that_o the_o safety_n of_o the_o church_n can_v otherwise_o be_v provide_v for_o unless_o they_o which_o be_v against_o it_o as_o contrary_a flood_n be_v repel_v and_o the_o ardour_n of_o discipline_n as_o the_o stir_a oar_n in_o a_o tempest_n be_v keep_v safe_a 2._o obj._n it_o be_v now_o come_v to_o be_v so_o indifferent_a etc._n etc._n that_o it_o will_v suffer_v a_o or_o else_o or_o at_o the_o least_o ibid._n ans_fw-fr and_o what_o have_v the_o petitioner_n here_o move_v which_o the_o king_n most_o excellent_a majesty_n have_v not_o first_o write_v that_o the_o discipline_n of_o the_o church_n be_v preserve_v in_o 44._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d p._n 44._o purity_n according_a to_o god_n word_n what_o need_v our_o brethren_n then_o to_o have_v carp_v at_o this_o petition_n neither_o be_v that_o disiunctive_a clause_n or_o else_o at_o the_o least_o any_o contradiction_n or_o repugnance_n to_o the_o former_a but_o a_o exception_n and_o qualify_a thereof_o which_o give_v the_o adversary_n no_o advantage_n as_o the_o law_n say_v exceptionem_fw-la obijciens_fw-la non_fw-la videtur_fw-la de_fw-fr intention_n adversarij_fw-la confiteri_fw-la reg._n juris_fw-la 63._o and_o it_o be_v a_o condescend_v to_o the_o time_n that_o where_o the_o perfection_n desire_v can_v not_o be_v have_v reformation_n be_v seek_v that_o may_v be_v attain_v wherefore_o as_o the_o rule_n be_v in_o the_o law_n in_o argumentum_fw-la trahi_fw-la nequeunt_fw-la quae_fw-la propter_fw-la necessitatem_fw-la aliquando_fw-la sunt_fw-la concessa_fw-la reg._n juris_fw-la 78._o that_o which_o be_v yield_v to_o the_o necessity_n of_o time_n must_v not_o be_v urge_v as_o the_o integrity_n of_o the_o thing_n if_o christ_n institution_n be_v exact_o keep_v many_o thing_n shall_v be_v amend_v that_o be_v here_o not_o name_v but_o the_o petitioner_n have_v only_o mention_v those_o thing_n which_o in_o reason_n they_o think_v will_v not_o be_v deny_v or_o gainsayd_v 3._o obj._n be_v we_o persuade_v that_o their_o discipline_n be_v of_o christ_n institution_n can_v we_o be_v without_o it_o etc._n etc._n answ_n what_o our_o brethren_n will_v be_v persuade_v we_o know_v not_o but_o if_o these_o thing_n which_o be_v move_v be_v not_o prove_v to_o be_v agreeable_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n we_o desire_v not_o to_o be_v hear_v but_o to_o be_v reject_v with_o our_o cause_n we_o will_v not_o obtrude_v our_o own_o fancy_n but_o measure_n our_o judgement_n by_o the_o scripture_n as_o origen_n say_v exhibeo_fw-la sensus_fw-la mei_fw-la testem_fw-la scripturam_fw-la jerem._n homil._n 1._o in_o jerem._n homil._n 9_o in_o jerem._n sensus_fw-la nostri_fw-la &_o enarrationes_fw-la sine_fw-la ijs_fw-la testibus_fw-la non_fw-la habent_fw-la fidem_fw-la i_o yield_v the_o scripture_n a_o witness_n of_o my_o sense_n my_o exposition_n without_o the_o scripture_n let_v it_o be_v of_o no_o credit_n 4._o object_n his_o excellent_a majesty_n have_v have_v 20._o ans_fw-fr p._n 20._o experience_n of_o the_o manifold_a mischief_n that_o attend_v their_o pretend_a discipline_n etc._n etc._n answ_n this_o discipline_n and_o reformation_n intend_v by_o we_o be_v not_o attend_v upon_o by_o any_o such_o mischief_n other_o man_n oversight_n we_o justify_v not_o neither_o approve_v any_o unaduised_a proceed_n neither_o have_v his_o majesty_n so_o evil_a opinion_n of_o the_o scottish_a discipline_n as_o they_o insinuate_v the_o right_a use_n of_o a_o thing_n must_v not_o be_v condemn_v for_o the_o abuse_n as_o the_o law_n say_v utile_fw-la non_fw-la debet_fw-la per_fw-la inutile_fw-la vitiari_fw-la neither_o the_o
seruare_fw-la nec_fw-la usurpare_fw-la regnum_fw-la sed_fw-la vereri_fw-la we_o have_v learn_v to_o be_v faitbfull_a to_o the_o prince_n not_o to_o usurp_v any_o kingdom_n but_o to_o reverence_v the_o king_n etc._n etc._n 6._o they_o further_a untrue_o charge_v the_o petitioner_n ensue_v vutruth_n no_o such_o thing_n will_v ensue_v that_o poverty_n and_o lack_n of_o learning_n will_v creep_v into_o the_o clergy_n if_o their_o desire_n take_v place_n answ_n p._n 29._o whereunto_o we_o answer_v 1._o what_o though_o there_o be_v not_o sufficient_a maintenance_n leave_v in_o some_o reform_a church_n we_o pity_v their_o estate_n and_o as_o much_o condemn_v the_o embeazelers_n of_o church_n revenue_n as_o these_o censurer_n and_o it_o be_v a_o uncharitable_a speech_n that_o we_o will_v have_v our_o church_n reduce_v and_o make_v conformable_a to_o the_o calamity_n of_o those_o place_n neither_o be_v the_o poverty_n of_o those_o church_n the_o fruit_n of_o their_o reformation_n but_o of_o some_o man_n covetousness_n that_o be_v ready_a to_o reduce_v untruth_n we_o will_v not_o have_v our_o church_n so_o reduce_v take_v any_o occasion_n to_o enrich_v themselves_o neither_o do_v the_o petitioner_n urge_v the_o alteration_n of_o the_o ecclesiastical_a state_n according_a to_o their_o platform_n the_o petitioner_n stand_v for_o the_o maintenance_n of_o a_o learned_a ministry_n as_o it_o may_v appear_v by_o their_o motion_n of_o impropriation_n and_o we_o say_v with_o origen_n nisi_fw-la dederit_fw-la oleum_fw-la populus_fw-la extinguetur_fw-la lucerna_fw-la in_o templo_fw-la levit_fw-la hom._n 13._o in_o levit_fw-la 2._o that_o there_o be_v not_o many_o man_n bring_v up_o among_o they_o they_o mean_v in_o scotland_n and_o other_o reform_a church_n worthy_a of_o that_o honourable_a maintenance_n be_v not_o far_o from_o a_o defamation_n of_o so_o worthy_a a_o church_n neither_o have_v that_o land_n ever_o more_o learned_a man_n both_o preacher_n and_o writer_n then_o be_v at_o this_o time_n the_o king_n own_o testimony_n shall_v clear_v this_o point_n there_o be_v present_o a_o sufficient_a number_n of_o good_a man_n of_o the_o ministry_n of_o this_o kingdom_n how_o may_v his_o majesty_n take_v it_o to_o have_v such_o a_o evil_a report_n bring_v up_o of_o his_o country_n 3._o of_o like_a truth_n it_o be_v that_o the_o petitioner_n untruth_n untruth_n here_o call_v at_o their_o pleasure_n evil_a malicious_a ungrateful_a man_n can_v see_v nothing_o in_o the_o church_n but_o defect_n deformity_n we_o neither_o condemn_v that_o which_o be_v good_a for_o the_o evil_a nor_o yet_o iustifiy_a the_o evil_a as_o they_o do_v together_o with_o the_o good_a that_o be_v to_o use_v too_o little_a a_o measure_n and_o this_o too_o large_a as_o one_o say_v mensura_fw-la maior_fw-la est_fw-la quando_fw-la plus_fw-la donatur_fw-la rebus_fw-la quam_fw-la merita_fw-la deposcunt_fw-la minor_fw-la cum_fw-la subtrahitur_fw-la meritis_fw-la pamph_n apol._n pamph_n quod_fw-la debetur_fw-la 4._o we_o wish_v also_o that_o all_o which_o profess_v the_o truth_n be_v in_o our_o condition_n but_o with_o s._n paul_n exception_n except_v these_o bond_n our_o 29._o act._n 26._o 29._o state_n be_v most_o happy_a if_o this_o servitude_n under_o humane_a constitution_n be_v remove_v 5._o and_o we_o wish_v with_o all_o our_o heart_n it_o be_v as_o they_o say_v that_o our_o reverend_a prelate_n do_v contain_v themselves_o within_o such_o bound_n as_o preserve_v that_o state_n from_o creep_v to_o any_o papal_a corruption_n but_o how_o can_v this_o be_v true_o say_v when_o as_o the_o discipline_n of_o the_o ecclesiastical_a court_n be_v altogether_o the_o same_o set_v the_o supremacy_n aside_o which_o be_v exercise_v under_o the_o pope_n the_o corruption_n be_v not_o reform_v be_v by_o a_o other_o authority_n maintain_v the_o canon_n say_v cum_fw-la quid_fw-la una_fw-la via_fw-la prohibetur_fw-la alieni_fw-la ad_fw-la id_fw-la alia_fw-la non_fw-la debet_fw-la admitti_fw-la 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