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A29766 Jerubbaal, or, A vindication of The sober testimony against sinful complyance from the exceptions of Mr. Tombs in answer to his Theodulia : wherein the unlawfulness of hearing the present ministers is more largely discussed and proved : the arguments produced in the sober testimony reinforced, the vanity of Mr. Tombs in his reply thereunto evinced, his sorry arguments for hearing fully answered : the inconsistency of Mr. T., his present principles and practices with passages in his former writings remarked, and manifested in an appendix hereunto annexed. Brown, Robert. 1668 (1668) Wing B5047; ESTC R224311 439,221 497

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make the Tabernacle For see saith he that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the Mount i. e. To the type and example set before him to imitate to which he was not to add the least pin of his own 1 Chr. 28. 11. The pattern of the Porch i. e. of the Temple saith Vatablus which David received either by revelation or by the hand of the Prophet 1 Chr. 28. 12 19. Exod. 8. 27. 39. 1 5 7 21 26 31 43. other places instanced in the S. T. preach forth the same thing These were types of the heavenly Ordinances in the Church of Christ Heb. 8. 5. And type out that nothing of man is to be superadded thereto but all things to be done according to Divine Commandment To the same thing doth the Spirit of the Lord bear witness Exod. 40. 23 25 29. Num. 8. 3. Exod. 35. 10 29. 36. 1 5. Isa 29. 13. To which may be further added Deut. 4. 1 2 40. Now therefore hearken O Israel unto the Statutes and Judgments which I teach you for to do them Ye shall not add to the Word which I command you neither shall you diminish ought from it that you may keep the Commandments of the Lord your God Thou shalt keep therefore his Statutes and Commandments which I command thee this day All which prove not only the obligation that lay upon them to conform to what was of the Institution of the Lord but the utter unlawfulness to add thereto or introduce any thing of their own in his service The ground of the acceptance of any Worship or Service offered to him being his Command and Institution and that with such evidence and brightness that it seems Mr. T. durst not look them in the face lest they shou●d have so reproved him as to have hindred his further advance in that good work and cause he was resolved having undertaken its defence to prosecute He only takes notice of two of these many places instanced in viz. Lev. 8. throughout which he grants speak of the investure of the Priests into their Office according to the Rites set down but whether any other might to these have been added to the sons of men he tells us not which yet he should have proved if he would have demolished and thrown down what it was his good pleasure to set himself against And he doth wisely not to approach too near this Scripture which stands with a two-edged Sword in its hand to defend the Truth opposed by this Animadverter No less than ten times viz. v. 4 5 9 13 17 21 29 34 35 36. The Commandment of the Lord is laid as the foundation of the whole of that procedure clearly importing that matters of this nature viz. things relating to his Worship are solely to be bottom'd on Divine Precepts and condemning and interdicting whatever of the like nature is offered to him on any other bottom Which Aaron's sons afterwards attempting to do Lev. 10. 1. perish in the flames of God's jealousie and wrath R. Menachem on Lev. 8. 36. hath these words In every other place it is said as the Lord commanded Moses but here because they added unto the Commandment he saith not so for they did not as the Lord had commanded and added moreover unto them strange Fire which he had not commanded them Lev. 10. 1. And Josephus b. 3. c. 9. saith th●s Nadab and Abihu bringing Sacrifices unto the Altar not such as were appointed by Moses but of that sort they were accustomed to offer aforetimes were burned by the violent flame that issued from the Altar that at length they died The other place he takes notice of is Isa 29. 13. which he refers to be discussed to the first chapter All the other places as was said are passed over in silence which manner of dealing is a great abuse both to the Truth and Reader To the Truth by waving the consideration of what is offered as the substratum upon which it is built To the Reader by pretending to answer to what is asserted by his Antagonist for the confirmation of Truth without advancing one step forward towards its confutation But perhaps he means not that where God hath given direction about any part of Worship it 's lawful to add any thing thereunto but onely wherein God hath not spoken and determined as touching the management of his Worship there the will of some of the children of men takes place and they may determine But if so 1. This is a most pitiful Petitio principii or begging the thing in question viz. That God hath not determined the whole of his Worship and Service but hath left somewhat to the wills of men relating to Worship as such to be determined by them which is the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or the thing in question and will never be granted him upon those terms 2dly Contrary to that fundamental principle placed in the nature of man and implyed and fairly intimated in each Scripture before instanced in that nothing in his Worship and Service is acceptable to him but what is of his own prescription 3dly Diametrically opposite to Deut. 4. 1 2. these additions let them be of what nature or in what case they will are additions to the Word of Jehovah Isa 29. 13. with Mark 7. 7. being evidently doctrines and institutions of men which the Spirit there tells us must have no place in the Worship of God That the Jews had their Service more fully particularized in all things pertaining to it than we have if he mean things relating to Service or Worship as such is spoken after the rate that a great many other things in this Treatise are viz. with confidence enough but without proof There being nothing relating to Gospel-Worship as such but is determined by Christ and appointed in the Scripture When he sends forth his Apostles Mat. 28. they were to teach what he had commanded them nothing more or less And he being Lord and Master of his House whose House are we Heb. 3. 6. who dares be so bold as to intermeddle with the affairs thereof without his appointment or can do so without an incroachment upon his Soveraignty He was faithful as Moses who received and revealed the Ordinances of the then House of God that he left nothing relating to the Worship thereof as such to the wills of men But of this more hereafter Sect. 8. Of the apostasie of the Jews from Divine Institutions The aim of the Author in remarking it It s application to the Church of England Whose Investions are expresly forbidden Of things in themselves out of the cas● of Worship indifferent 'T is not in the power of the Church to make that which is left indifferent by the Lord a necessary Worship The judgement of the Protestant Writers Of the decency and order is in the Ceremonies of the Church of England Of their being imposed by Publick Authority How they draw from God
act as Ministers of Christ when they prophesie for the edifying the Body of Christ by vertue of any Office-power so that they need not any such Election What follows is a Rhapsody of words that the ingenuous Reader knows proves nothing introduced to cast the ●dium of Irreligion-upon the men of his Contest The best is the Nation knows him to be at least in this matter a false Accuser He tells us 3dly That it may be doubted whether Christ be meant by the Door John 10. 1. Answ But why it should be doubted when Christ expresly tells us v. 9. that He is the Door I cannot tell That the Door v. 1 v. 9. is not the same Door is not probable and less probable that by the Door v. 9. should be meant the Scriptures of the Prophets who although they foretold of Christ yet can in no sense that I know of be said to be the Door through which he entred But this he is unwilling to abide by He adds 4ly That if the door be the same Joh. 10. 1 9. the entering in v. 9 cannot be entring into the Ministry by the lawful election of a particular Church for then it would follow that every one that so enters in shall be saved but that is manifestly false Answ 1. But if by saved he mean everlastingly saved this doth not at all follow he knows right well that the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is not alwayes to be restrained to such a signification 2ly The whole expression he shall be saved and shall go in and out and find pasture seems to intimate no more than this that he may expect the blessing of God with him the defence of God upon him in his Ministry that thus enters into it according to his mind according to Deut. 28. 6. So the Assembly Beza c. interpret the words which I think is so far from being manifestly false that nothing is more true Of immediate Calls to the Ministry and the wayes whereby men may prove themselves to be so called I shall not now turn aside to speak nor in what sense I asserted that persons receiving Commission immediatly from Christ to preach the Gospel will never be made good without the working of miracles it not being pleaded as I know of that the present Ministers have any such Commission nor do they pretend to it Of Petrus Waldo and other Reformers I think as honourably as this Animadverter They were worthy and eminent witnesses for Christ in their day no small part of their Testimony was against the Abominations pleaded for by Mr. T. in his Theodulia They admited nothing into their Church but what is written in the Bible no Decrees no Epistles Decretals nor the Legends of the Saints nor the traditions of the Church They held that the Preaching of the word of God is free to every man that hath received abilities from the Lord for that work That the Priests Vestments are little worth That no day a man may cease from his labour except the Lords day and not the feasts of of Saints Zanchy introduceth a certain Orthodox man speaking thus 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and afterwards adds the Churches are to be reformed according to the best form a better from of the Church cannot be invented than that which Christ and his Apostles in the beginning of the Church did constitute and appoint And afterwards all Doctrines of Worship and Discipline are to be examined not by the Lesbian rule of humane judgment but by the Touchstone of the Divine Word Zanch. de ver Eccl. reformand ration Johannes Gerson affirms That the authority of the Primitive Church was greater than now it is for it is not in the power of the Pope or Council or Church to change the Traditions taught by the Evangelists and Paul as some dream de vit Spirit animae Budaeus saith Canonum canities vel caries potius nulli jam usui est sed velut anus delira è foro explosa est de ponte enim jam diu comitiorum paracleti dejecta est disciplina Canonica ut annis sexaginta major atque etiam sexcentis de Translat Heclerismi lib. 2. And afterwards Navis nobis disciplinae à servator● relicta est Ecclesiae conditore quae Cantico Ministerio instrumento miraculisque instructa fuit ab ipso aut ejus auspiciis These were some of the Witnesses of Christ in their day whom we honour as such that bear their Testimony against what Mr. T. thinks good for the present to espouse to himself 5ly This Animadv speaks of the proof of our Assertion that those that receive authority to preach the Gospel mediately from Christ have it from some particular instituted Church of Christ to whom power is solely delegated for the electing their own Officers according to Acts 6. 5. 14. 23. as weak and impertinent He tells us 1. That though this should be granted yet power may be given to others to choose send and ordain Preachers for the unconverted who are and may be heard as Ministers of the Gospel Ans 1. This we deny the Keys being given to the Church by Christ Mat. 16. 19. with 18. 17 18. we cannot conceive how any can legally choose or send forth persons to act by vertue of an Office-power in the preaching of the Gospel but the Church 2dly We never yet understood that Interrogations were sufficient Answers his may not for all this is no evidence that it may He adds Yea may not some others ordain Elders for particular Instituted Churches Answ 1. Without the Churches consent Election c. they may not 'T is true Titus was left by Paul in Crete to ordain Elders in every City Tit. 1. 5. but that he might do this without the choice election and concurrent act of the Church as a Diocesan Bishop as some fondly imagine is a fancy that as it hath over and over been confuted by many Godly Learned so Mr. T. will never be able to make it good 2ly Should it be granted which yet is most false contrary to the practice of those times and many years after that Titus ordained by himself without the knowledg counsel and approbation of the people Elders it doth not in the least follow that any persons may do so now For. 1. He had express warrant and direction from the Apostle to do what he did 2. He was an extraordinary Officer an Evangelist not limited to a certain Church the continuance of which office we have no direction for in the Scripture 3. The officers that were to be continued in the Churches are said to be Elders or Bishops which were not names of distinct officers but of the same Tit. 1. 5 7. to be confined or limited to o●e particular Congregation not having or exercising jurisdiction over many Phil. 1. 1. Acts. 14. 23. 20. 17 28. Tit. 1. 5 6 7. so that this instance makes little to his purpose When he proves his suggestion that there are any
not at all to his purpose At the best it is but a recrimination I know not how this Animadverter could imagine that the owning and asserting of these things as lawful had the least tendency to the establishment of a National Church But some men are so distempered that they suppose every thing makes for the advancement of that design they are driving on If he deems Synods owned by men of Congregational Principles and his Ecclesiastical Convocation of National Officers are of the same nature he is mistaken 1. Those are chosen by the particular Churches to which they are severally related and what they act and do is in their name and upon the account of that power and authority they receive from them The Convocation of the Clergy act in their own name and authority being never chosen by any one Congregation to sit and make Laws 2ly Those pretend not to be the Church nor to any self-power to make Laws and impose them upon the Churches as obligatory and binding to be received and subjected to by them without the least judgement of discretion allowed them or liberty of dissenting if not perswaded in their consciences of the truth of what is decreed by them and its consonancy with the Scriptures of the Lord. As is known to be the case of the Convocation of the Church of England to dissent from whose Canons at least to oppose them is censured with no less than an Excommunication or delivering up to Satan Which how directly it leads to the Popish implicit faith of believing as the Church believes every one is able to discern For my part with reference to these I am much of the mind of the learned Whitaker de Concil p. 12. General Councils may erre and imbrace false opinions Nam Concilium Antiochenum veritatem damnavit haeresin apertam propugnavit Similiter Ariminense Ephesinum secundum ex quo patet veritatem non esse metiendam ex numero Episcoporum Of them he saith 1. That their calling together is a certain politick and humane invention pag. 35 77. 2. That they cannot frame Articles of Faith to binde the Conscience pag. 19. 3. That their end in coming together is not to feed as Pastors but to consult what is best for the Churches pag. 85. 4. That they are not simply necessary pag. 23. 5. That they do not give authority to the Scripture pag. 242 243. 6. That their Decrees are not immediately inspired by the Holy Ghost pag. 262 263. 7. That the ultimate determination and judgment of a General Council may be false pag. 231. 8. That there is no judgement of a Council properly in matters of Faith ibid. 9. That the truth of things determined in Councils may afterwards be called into question and again disputed pag. 283. 10. That the Churches of Christ have been kept sound in Faith without them for the first 300 years pag. 23. To which I add 11. That I never yet read of any Council or Synod since that Act 15. but 't were easie to demonstrate that in one thing or other it hath erred The most of the Hay and Stubble that is built upon the Foundation at this day not to mention their attempts 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 owing its original to some of them So that I confess I am no admirer of them and am bold to affirm of any that have yet been it had been better for the Church of God that they had never been in the world But these things are little to Mr. T. his purpose That persons owning the lawfulness of Synods from Scripture-warrant as they conceive should therefore be necessitated to own a National Church as a true Church of Christ is a position that Mr. T. will never make good I suppose by the view I have taken of some of his Writings he is very confident of his own abilities but he is a rare man indeed that can compose a Rope of Sand. The lawfulness of a National Church or unlawfulness thereof having no dependance upon Congregational Synods but is to take its measure from somewhat else of which before Of Churches of a greater number ●han can meet at one place for the celebration of all the Ordinances of Christ I shall not need to say any thing till he acquaint us what Congregational men are of that perswasion it will be accounted a meer Calumny The assembling of the members of a particular Church in the same place for the celebration of the same Numerical Ordinances being one considerable part of the definition given by our Congregational Brethren of such a Church And yet if they did own Churches of a greater number 't is ridiculous to imagine that they could from thence be compelled to the owning of a National Church which wants both the matter and form of a true Church of Christ which yet the other may have So that we need not turn aside to consider the proofs used by those that held That many particular Congregations may be under one Presbyterial Government Printed 1645. Of which this Animadverter reminds us For though I am not of their mind nor do I conceive their Reasons to be cogent Yet were that true a National Church could not from thence be proved a true Church of Christ For 1st They suppose these Congregations to be particular Churches of Christ constituted and made up of visible Saints which cannot as yet be affirmed of any National Church in the world or any Parish Church as a part thereof 2dly They also affirm that these particular Churches have power within themselves to determine differences by their own Elders to excommunicate Offenders obstinately guilty of notorious scandals 3dly They are utterly against all Archiepiscopal National Officers the source and spring of a National Church 4thly They conceive not all in England nor all in a Parish to be lawful Church-members because born there nor will they compel them as such to receive the Sacrament with them which is the known case of the Church of England That at Jerusalem there were more Churches than one under a Presbyterial Government is a fond conceit which the numerous multitude of Believers thereunto belonging contribute not the least mite of assistance to Be they never so many they are called Acts 8. 1. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 The Church which was at Jerusalem The like may be said of the Church of Corinth it was one single Congregation the Church of God which was at Corinth 1 Cor. 1 1. 2 Cor. 1. 1. So was the Church at Ephesus Rev. 2. 1. But as was said The grant of more Churches than one under one Presbyterial Government is remote enough from the establishment of a National Church which by other bonds and ligaments than the Assertors thereof will own must be united to one National Head or it hath not cannot have a being in the world So that these things are little to his purpose The next attempt of this Animadverter is to remove an obstruction which he
the Sabbath Baptism Lord's Supper c. and I do so in this dispute Answ Egregie dictum excellently said indeed as if because we affirm that whatever is to be practised in Instituted Worship in the time of the Gospel is to be wholly bottom'd as to the Law and Precept instituting it upon some Commandment of Christ in the New-Testament therefore we assert that no use may be made of the Scriptures of the Old-Testament treating thereabout by way of prophecy or otherwise which is a Consequence this learned Animadverter will never be able to make good 'T is true many learned men do make use of some places of the Old-Testament to prove the morality of one day in seven or the seventh part of time not as I remember except Psa 118. 24 which some conceive by way of prophecy speaks of the Lord 's honouring the first day for the confirmation of the observation of the first day which they conceive Christ's resurrection on that day the practice of the Primitive-Church meeting together for the solemn Worship of God 1 Cor. 16. 2. Acts 20. 7. the appellation the Lord's Day which they judge is given to it c. is a sufficient warrant for their observation thereof in Gospel-times They plead not for Baptism or the Lord's Supper upon any other bottom than Gospel-Institution or their preception by Christ in the New-Testament Though 't is true as touching the subjects of the one and the other they judg they may by way of analogy argue somewhat from Old-Testament-Scriptures from which apprehension they see nothing so weighty in what is tendred by Mr. T. notwithstanding his brag and immodest Assertion pag. 18. Sect. 14. that such a way of arguing is irrational as if wisdom rested with him and he had the measure of it and a man could not differ from him but he must be a block or bruit to influence their departure That because the granting the Assertion would be disadvantagious to the Author and the Separatists therefore it should be in Mr. T. his opinion an unreasonable postulatum to devolve the question upon the Scriptures of the New-Testament I understand not He takes not a measure I presume of the reasonableness or unreasonableness of requests from their advantagiousness or disadvantagiousness to such contemptible creatures as we and should he do so he were much to blame as to infer from hence therefore I see no reasonableness in his Postulatum which is introduced not as the natural issue of any thing premised which he knows it is not but meerly for pomp and shew Sect. 3. The judgments of the Antients no sufficient substratum to build my practice upon in the Worship of God The opinion of the Antients ●hemselves in this matter None but the Spirit of God speaking in the Scriptures can satisfie the consciences of any dissatisfied in matters relating to Worship Our Faith not to be resolved into the Testimony of men which is a principle decryed by the Antients and Protestant Churches The consciences of none can be satisfied in what is written by the Ancients before they are assured 1. that what they read as or are told is theirs be indeed so and not counterfeited nor adulterated 2. That in their Writings they were as the Apostles and Prophets guided by an unerring Spirit The true use of the Testimony of the Ancients Congregational-Principles owned by them Of Councils and Schoolmen THe fourth Section is fronted with this The judgement of the Ancients not useless in this Controversie as if the Author of the Sober-Testimony had asserted it to be so which Mr. T. knows he no where doth This indeed the words of the Author not perplexing our selves nor the consciences of any with the judgments of men in generations past wherein they cannot acquiesce fairly intimate 1. That the judgment of none of the children of men though never so famous in their generation since the Apostles fell asleep is a sufficient Substratum to build my faith and practice upon in the Worship of my God In which we have the concurrence of the Ancients themselves Basil tels us that it is necessary and consonant to Reason that every man learn that which is needful out of the Scriptures both for the fulness of Godliness and lest they be inured to humane traditions Regul contract 95. p. 902. And Austin Epist 112. ad Paulin. saith If a matter be grounded on the clear authority of the holy Scriptures it is to be believed without all doubt but as for other witnesses and testimonies upon whose credit any thing may be urged unto us to believe it it is lawful for thee either to credit or not to credit them according as thou shalt perceive them of weight to deserve or not to deserve credit Origin saith Homil. 1. in Hierem. We must of necessity call the Scriptures to witness for our senses and interpretations without them are of no credit Famous is the saying of Cyril Bishop of Jerusalem Catech. 4. p. 15. We must not deliver any thing though never so small without the holy Scriptures neither may we be led away with probabilities and shews of words neither yet believe me barely saying these things unto you unless you also believe the demonstration thereof from the Scriptures for the security of our faith ariseth from the demonstration of the holy Scripture 2dly That not the sayings or judgment of the Ancients but the clear Testimony of the Spirit of God speaking in the Scriptures is sufficient and efficacious for the satisfying persons that are dissatisfied in any thing relating to Faith or Worship Come to a poor soul under real scruples of spirit with respect to these and tell him this Father is of this opinion and that Father of that you do but oleum operam perdere when you have said all he remains as he was dissatisfied and so will do without evidence from Scripture More than these two things the Animadverter cannot righteously infer from the expression he discants on What saith he to these not a word more or less And I am apt to believe of Mr. T. that he is a man of greater modesty than to oppose them He tells us indeed that it may be of good use to satisfie mens consciences that no such separation as now is from the present Ministers of the Church of England was allowed of by the first Fathers and Writers what truth there is in this suggestion shall by and by be manifested He will not say surely of what good use he supposeth it to be that the faith of any is to be resolved into their testimony which it must be if what they say satisfie the scrupling conscience i. e. I must believe what they say is true because they say it else that they say it will never tend to my satisfaction which yet is an homage and duty that we owe to none but the Lord. A principle decryed and abhorred by the Ancients themselves The saying of Austin Epist 48. is known
Audi dicit Dominus non dicit Donatus aut Rogatus aut Vincentius a●t Hilarius aut Ambrosius aut Augustinus sed dicit Dominus And Epist 112. I will not have you follow mine authority to think it necessary that you believe any thing therefore because I say it And generally abhorred by the Reformed Churches The Helvetian Confession speaks roundly and fully to this matter Quapropter non patimur nos c. Wherefore we suffer not our selves in controversies of Religion or matters of Faith to be imposed upon with the bare opinions of the Fathers or determinations of Councils much less by received customs or the multitude of persons thinking the same things or by prescription of long time We admit no other Judge of Faith than God himself pronouncing by the holy Scriptures what is true what false what is to be imbraced what not We rest in the judgments of none but such as are spiritual taken from the Word of God Harmon Conf. cap. 2. Certainly Jeremiah and the rest of the Prophets grievously condemned the Councils of the Priests instituted against the Law of God and diligently admonished that we hearken not to Fathers or go in their wayes who walking in their own inventions decline from the Law of God Before the consciences of any can be satisfied in the judgment and practice of the Fathers primitive Writers two things they had need be assured of 1. That what is handed out to them be indeed their sayings and practices whose they are pretended to be For suppose my conscience ought to be satisfied in what they say or do yet I had need be assured that what I reade or hear of their sayings or practices be indeed theirs and not the interpolations or impostures of others fraudulently mixed in their Writings and imouted to them which this Animadverter knows to be no easie matter to assure any body of The most of them have unquestionably been exposed to corruption and adulteration by them into whose hands they have fallen from whom we have received them Particular instances whereof lie near at hand to be produced were it needful Of Ignatius his Epistles some talk much that they are at least wondrously corrupted if not wholly forged and counterfeit were easie to demonstrate To mention only what you have Epist. 2. Fear and reverence your Bishop as Christ for so the holy Apostles commanded you He that obeyeth the Bishop and Presbyters is within the Altar and abides pure but he who doth any thing without the Bishops and Presbyters is without the Altar defiled in his conscience and more miserable than an Infidel For what is a Bishop but one endued with the power of Christ who is God whose prescript as man he follows and obtains Authority more sublime than all Empire and Principality And what is the Presbytery but an holy Council the Counsellors and Assessors of the Bishop And Epist 7. speaking of the same persons Amongst all men I will not say none are more excellent but none can be found so like to God c. Expressions that the simplicity of that Age was wholly ignorant of and could not entertain without a blush nor think of but with great abhorrency of spirit The like may be said of other of the Ancients Ambrose is made to speak after this rate The Episcopal honour and dignity can be by no comparisons adaequated if you compare it to the fulgor of Kings and diadem of Princes this would ●e as much beneath it as if thou shouldst compare Lead to the brightness of Gold For thou mayest see the necks of Kings and Princes bowed down to the knees of Priests c. De Dignitat Sacerd. cap. 2. And cap. 3. There is nothing in this World to be found more excellent than Priests nothing more sublime than Bishops Which those who have in the least enquired into the state of affairs in that Age will be constrained to acknowledge to be counterfeit and spurious The like may be manifested of the rest and of these in other points but that design would require a Treatise by i● self larger than we intend this to be But 2ly suppose things with respect to them were otherwise than we have manifested them to be and we could be ascertained that thus they said and writ thus they did and practised we had need ere our consciences could be satisfied be ascertained of one thing more viz. That in their Writings they were as the Prophets and Apostles guided by an unerring Spirit that in their practice they were to be our examples for if I am not assured that what they write is infallibly true I am not to believe it for sure it will not be pleaded that there is any obligation lies upon me to imbrace what any man saith right or wrong because he saith it and yet except I believe it conscience will not cannot be satisfied in their indoctrination Now this is infallibly false Mr. T. knows who writ retractations of a great deal he had writ before and had he lived longer we might have see more Books of retractations And this they themselves acknowledg So Austine I cannot deny but there are many things in my Works as there are in the Writings of my Ancestors which justly and with good discretion may be blamed D. 9. Negat And Anselme writes that in their Books which the Church reads many times are found things corrupt and heretical Comment in 2 Cor. Let the wise Reader peruse their Books and he shall find this true that I say The same may be said of the practice of the Fathers Of what they did we have uncertain rumours wherein they acted exorbitantly and not according to rule they are not to be heeded So that not what the Father 's said and did is sufficient to satisfie my conscience in any point but only what Jehovah speaks in the Scripture All which I say not to detract from the true worth of the Worthies of old but to manifest the weakness of Mr. T. his Assertion That it will not conduce much or be of good use to satisfie mens consciences c. wherein truly it is of no use at all not being appointed by the Lord for such an end though I deny not but to other ends and purposes it may be useful as for stopping the mouths of Adversaries who glory in the Fathers and primitive Writers as if they were all for them To remove prejudices out of the minds of people against Truth upon account of its seeming novelty c. as I said in S. T. Nor shall I at any time refuse for the manifestation of the vain brag of persons that they have all Antiquity on their side though I cannot admit of what they say into my Creed because they say it the only foundation of Faith being the infallible speakings of God in the Scriptures to debate from thence the matters in controversie with Mr. T. And doubt not but it may be made manifestly to appear that things are
place in the world of which the Poet Erupit Venae pejoris in aevum Omne nefas fugere pudor verumque fidesque In quorum subiere locum fraudesque delique Insidiaeque Vis amor sceleratus habendi Vivitur ex rapto non hospes ab hospite tutus Nec socer à genero fratrum quoque gratia raraest But this saith Mr. T. is not the cause of the Separation avowed by this Author Answ 'T is not indeed the alone cause but one amongst the rest So that in the judgment of this Animadverter the Separation pleaded-for is necessary For whom he intends what he puts in a parenthesis though it appears not but Noah continued to preach to them and live among them I know not As rigid as the Separation pleaded-for is 'T is not so rigid but we do and can do both and more than so too We look upon it as our duty to follow the Callings and Imployments the Lord-hath placed us in in the World to have civil converse amongst the men thereof 1 Cor. 5. 10. to fill up all the duties of the relation we stand in to the worst amongst them to do any office of love we can for them nor do we cease to pour forth our souls though they are some of them desirous to pour out our blood to the Lord on their behalf that they may be turned from darkness to light from the power of Satan unto God And are as we have opportunity preaching to them though we run the hazard of the loss of our Liberties if not Life it self thereby we know Christs bowels and pity to poor sinners is great we have found it to be so who have obtained grace from God and we cannot knowing also the terrors of the Lord but warn and beseech them to flee from the wrath that is to come What follows in this Section not at all relating to the matter in controversie being only a captions exception against an expression made use of by me my intendment wherein is obvious to any ordinary understanding might be passed over in silence I say not as Mr. T. falsly represents my words that he might take occasion to talk of Job and other holy men who he thinks were not bound to repair to the people of Israel except they would become Prose●ytes which the avoiding the Idolatry of the Gentiles might require of them not such corruptions only as are in the Church of Engl. that a Standard was set up for the people to repair unto i. e. as he seems to intimate the people of the Gentile world at least those that feared the Lord amongst them but them viz. the People of the Jews So that his discourse about Job and such like is impertinent and frivolous Job lived about the year of the World 2100 several years after the giving the Land He with the rest he tels us were not bound to repair to them except they would become Proselytes which the avoiding the Idolatry of the Gentiles might require i. e. they were bound to repair to them which indeed they could not do or if they did they would no● nor could they be accepted except they turned Proselytes But the corruptions that were amongst the Gentiles were not only such as are in the Church of England i. e. they were somewhat more and greater and God forbid they should Lesser abominations in a once rightly constituted Church are warrant sufficient for separation from it than what were at that day to be found amongst the Gentiles But these things are not at all to the business in hand Sect. 5. The People of the Jews indispensibly bound to the Statutes and Ordinances Jehovah gave forth to them with respect to Ecclesiasticals and Civils without addition or detraction The case of the Disciples plucking the ears of Corn and David 's eating the Shew-bread considered Hos 6. 6. explained God's dispensing with his own Law no argument that the Jews might add to or diminish therefrom Of the seven other dayes kept by the Assembly 2 Chron. 30. 23. Of David's Ordinance 1 Sam. 30. 20 25. MR. T. in his 6th Section repeats what I affirmed pag. 8. of S. T. touching the people of the Jews the sum where of is That God gave them Statutes and Ordinances both with relation to Civils and Ecclesiasticks which they were without adding to or detracting from indispensibly bound to conform to To this the Animadverter replies 1. By way of concession They were he saith bound to conform to them and so much the Texts alledged do prove 2dly By way of negation That they were bound indispensibly without adding to or detracting therefrom to conform hereunto not one of the Scriptures prove This is to be considered The first Scripture instanc'd in is Exod. 21. 1. Now these are the Judgments thou shalt set before them the Judgments i. e. the Judicial Laws or Civil Sanctions as by Statutes or Decrees the Ordinances relating to Worship are usually understood which he particularly doth in the following verses To what purpose he is charged to set them before them is easie to be conjectured viz. that they might conform to them and not solely to do so had been a contempt and disvaluation of the wisdom and love of God who gave them forth and chargeth them chap. 23. 13. that with respect unto them they be circumspect i. e. that they heed them and them only Lev. 18. 4. the second place instanced speaks after this wise Ye shall do my Judgments i. e. mine only as him thou shalt serve Deut. 6. 13. is expounded by Christ Mat. 4. 10. him only shalt thou serve Nor is there any thing more frequent in the Hebrew language which is short and concise as is known than such a manner of speech The same line of interpretation is to be stretched over Lev. 19. 37. 20. 22. 25. 18. But how egregiously doth Mr. T. mistake in affirming that not one of the Scriptures instanced in saith that they were indispensibly bound without adding or detracting to conform to these Statutes and Judgments when Deut. 4. 2. the 7th Scripture instanc'd in expresly asserts it Now therefore hearken O Israel unto the Statutes and Judgments which I teach you for to do them Ye shall not add unto the Word which I command you neither shall ye diminish ought from it that you may keep the Commandments of the Lord you God which I command you bound they were by this Scripture to conform to the Statutes and Judgments without addition to them thou shalt not adde or detraction from them neither shalt thou diminish And if bound they were indispensibly so For no man hath power though the Papists blasphemously assert their Pope hath to dispense with the breach of Jehovah's Law what he himself may do is not of our present disquisition which is enough to evince the falsity of Mr. T. his Assertion This one Scripture if there had been no more as it is a sufficient proof of what we
of the hearers do not judge it their duty but matter of liberty 3. He begs the question whilst he supposeth hearing the present Ministers to be the service of the living God were it so it were unquestionably our duty to hear them but that is the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 4. For the rest the Learned Paraeus shall answer for me who in 1 Cor. 10. 20. saith God doth forbid the Jews Levit. 17. 7. to sacrifice after the manner of the Gentiles 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to hairy Devils Numb 25. 3. He complains that they had joyned themselves to the Devil of the Moabites 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which is the Lord of opening i. e. Fornication THIS IS THE JUDGMENT OF GOD OF EVERY WORSHIP WHICH IS NOT PERFORMED ACCORDING TO HIS WORD 'T IS NOT PERFORMED TO GOD BUT TO THE DEVILS But Idolaters neither in the Pagan State of old nor now in the Papacy do intend to offer to Devils but to God What then The Apostle pronounceth the contrary whatever they intend For God is worshipped not by humane inventions but by his own precepts The second mistake Mr. T. mentions is his own not mine I say the scandal lay in grieving the offended Brother and occasioning him by the evil example of the offender to act with a doubting Conscience i. e. Some Brethren were grieved at the liberty the Offender took others stumbled to act doubtingly by his example and so to sin The latter he grants the former Paul asserts Rom. 14. 15. He adds 3dly That I do not set down that the Corinthians might have reason to be scandalized at the eating the Idolothyte because against the Mosaical Law and the Apostles Decree Acts 15. 25. Answ Was I obliged so to do the Saints have greater reason to be offe●d●d at persons hearing the present Ministers because against the Oeconomie of the Gospel He tells us 4thly This Author doth not mention that the scandal in the Corinthians case was foreseen as future 1 Cor. 10. 27 28. Answ Nor need he do so when the scandal in hearing the present Ministers is also foreseen as future He adds 5thly This Author takes no notice that scandal given in the use of our liberty is not to be made perpetual Answ 1. This hath been already answered 2. It follows not that we must never hear the present Ministers of England if we must not hear them for the reasons given I would hope that God may convince and convert some of them from the evil and error of their way make them to acknowledge their sins bring them out of their Antichristian standing and office and then the reason of the present scandal ceasing the scandal it self will be removed also He tells us 5thly That the case of the offended among the Corinthians by eating Idolothytes and the Brethren now in England cannot be paralleld rightly because the Corinthians offence was at the time when the Doctrine of Gospel-liberty was not fully cleared Professors in England have been fully instructed therein Answ Mr. T. suppose●● that we shall not yeeld him 1. That the hearing or not hearing the present Ministers is our liberty we prove the first our sin the last our duty 2. That the case of scandal ceaseth when persons have been doctrinally instructed in their Christian Liberty Now this is most evidently false contrary to the Doctrine of the Apostle in the fore-cited places Rom. 14. 1 2 6 14 17. What could be more plainly doctrinally delivered touching the Christians liberty of eating or not eating yet there remaining scruples upon the Consciences of the weak touching this matter Paul commands the strong not to eat to their offence and scandal v. 20 21. So 1 Cor. 8. 4 8. the Christians liberty is fully asserted yet v. 9 10 11 12 13. the use of it is interdicted for fear of offending the weak So that evidently in this matter the case betwixt the Corinthians and Professors of England who suppose it to be their liberty to hear the present Ministers runs parallel I confess there are some things that may be argued on the behalf of the offended Brethren now that the offended Corinthian could not plead God had spewed out this Generation of men with loathing and contempt with the whole fardel of their Liturgical Rites and Ceremonies wounded them in the head removed their Lords the Bishops from whom they derive their Authority the present scandalizers many of them rejoyced in what was done swore before it was done to do their uttermost to effect it that after all this they should strike in with them attend on their Ministry is an aggravation of their scandal The Offenders have no Apostolical word to warrant the lawfulness of hearing them as the Corinthian Offenders had to warrantize the eating the Idolothyte out of the case of scandal So that they that hear them are justly charged with scandal given notwithstanding the empty flourish and wordie dispute of Mr. T. to the contrary We add in S. T. Should it be granted for Arguments sake though in truth it is not so that 't is the liberty of Saints to hear the present Ministers yet many sincere Lambs of Christ being groundedly stumbled and scandalized hereat for that very reason if no more could be said it becomes our sin to be guilty whereof who can chuse but be fill'd with trembling that hath ever with seriousness read that terrible commination of Christ Mat. 18. 6. Mr. T. replies 1. This were to make every honest hearted Christian a Pope a Lord over my Conscience Answ No in no wise 'T is touching supposed matters of Liberty that we are treating in my acting wherein to the scandalizing of the weak Christian I sin and this Paul affirms 1 Cor. 8. 9 10 11 12 13. and so do all that write about scandal Yet 't is not to be thought they hereby make the weak Christian a Pope infallible Judge Lord or Law-give● to them This is so far from divesting Christ of his Kingly Authority as he speaks that it rather establisheth it he is exalted as King whilst in obedience to his command I am forbearing the exercise of my Liberty because offensive to my Brother though upon every other account it were lawful for me to be found in the practice of it He tells us 2dly That his Treatise of scandal sh●ws Ma● 18. 6. to be meant of other scandalizing than such as this Author means Answ But if it be a scandalizing to make them to halt or turn away from God Luke 17. 2. i. e. from his Wayes and Divine Appointments if it be with despising them promoting their persecution causing their perdition that is meant Mat. 18. as Mr. T. saith it is 't is such a scandalizing as we mean The professing People of God that are in the practice of hearing are stumbling-blocks in the way of the weak occasioning them to turn off from God to the institutions and inventions of men whereby they are made worse and more
were wont to receive Tythes they were not Levites neither for to them were Tythes paid Neh. 10. 37. 13. 12. Heb. 7. 5. Numb 18. 31. And if neither Priests nor Levites lawful Officers or Expounders of the Law by virtue of Office-power committed to them by the Lord they could not be for to these only by virtue thereof did the Exposition of the Lay appertain as is known 2. He seems to grant that they were such ordinary Magistrates as were in the Jewish Synedrion which is as much as we need plead for From an attendment upon the Synedrion of the Jews determining in cases of Judgment and Justice a lawful attendment on the prese●t Ministers will never be proved He himself afterwards grants Tha● the Scribes and Pharisees were many of them Rulers of the Jews but very learnedly tells us not as Scribes and Pharisees which none ever thought they were being as he acknowledgeth particular Sects among the Jews That these here mentioned were not such he is not able to demonstrate They sate in Moses Seat as Magistrates though their jurisdiction or power was not so great as his He adds That what we say some observe that these Scribes and Pharisees are especially charged with the omission of Judgement and Mercy things most nearly relating to the Office of Magistracy to whom it doth especially appertain to look thereunto is frivolous Answ But others think not so nor hath Mr. T. said any thing to encline them to think so That 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Judgment is any where taken for right ordering the conversation towards God and man he cannot prove in Mat. 12. 18. 't is not so taken 'T is rather taken for the Ruledom and Government of God Christ was to publish true Religion among the Gentiles and to cast out Superstition which thing where ever it is done the Lord is said to Reign and Judge there And Mr. T. cannot be ignorant that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Judgment is the act 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 o● the Judge or Magistrate 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which passeth sentence or judgeth and that this is the proper notation of the word which its being joyned with Mercy and Faith Luke 11. 42 doth not disprove except he will suppose that these are not to be regarded by Governours in the Administration of Justice which they eminently are Faith or faithfulness in the discharge of the trust committed to them by the Lord with the exercise of Mercy and bowels towards the Body and Souls of men is what especially becomes a Ruler so that the observation wants not i●s weight For disputations sake we suppose in S. T. 2. The Scribes and Pharisees to be Teachers and Expounders of the Law at that day But if such they were lawful Church-Officers of the appointment of the Lord which we have proved the present Ministers of England are not and therefore a lawfulness to hear these from a lawfulness to hear them cannot be pleaded except we grant they were meer intruders into the Ministry which upon supposition that they were Ministers we cannot yeeld for these Reasons 1. The Pharisees are expresly said to be Priests and Levites John 1. 19 24. which were the ordinary lawful Ministers of that day To which Mr. T. Sect. 3. This onely proves that some of the Pharisees were Priests and Levites not that all were so Answ True but the Scripture testifying there were some Pharisees that were Priests and Levites when it speaketh of their doing what peculiarly and by way of office did belong to the Priests and Levites 't is but rational to interpret it of them and not of any others He adds 2dly But if they were Priests it doth not follow that they were the lawful Ministers of that day 1. Christs Apostles were the lawful Ministers of that day Answ 1. 'T is true they were so but not of the Jewish Church exclusively to others so that this Allegation is impertinent 2dly It 's certain that the Priests of those times got their places by bribing the Roman Deputy as Josephus reports the high Priest did Answ Grant the high Priest did so it doth not follow that the inferior Priests should so do nor doth any Historian report so of them We add in S. T. 2. These of all others were most apt to question the Authority of such as taught the People So when John appears Preaching and Baptizing and professes to them that he was not the Christ they immediately question his Authority John 1. 25. which they could not be supposed to have the face to do if they themselves of all others had been the greatest intruders To which our Animadverter saith That they did so is no wonder for they were puft off with conceits of their Authority and Righteousness Answ This is no reason of his Assertion they had great Authority amongst the people their outward conversation was Righteous and blameless as saith Josephus Jewish Antiq. l. 18. c. 2. so that in this matter they had whereof to glory We add 3dly When they question Christ himself about his Authority he asks not them from whence they had theirs which doubtless upon that occasion he would have done had they not been lawfully seated in the Seat they did possess but from whence John had his who was esteemed as a Prophet To which our Animadverter Though Christ did not then yet he doth afterwards calling them a Generation of Vipers blind Guids and his charging them with affectation and ambitious seeking the chief Seats and to be called Rabbi What is it but an evidence that they did unlawfully climb into Moses his Seat Answ A marvelous evidence indeed which no one in the World would have 't is likely lighted on if it had not been Mr. T. his hap to have stumbled on it nor he himself if he could else have told how handsomly to have salved up the matter 2. Christ calls them Generation of Vipers therefore he seems to charge them that they did unlawfully climb into Moses his Seat of which he speak● not one word is such an absurd consequence as he will not be able easily to make good As if a man should say such a one is a Drunkard therefore he saith he is a Thief or such a one affects the title of Batchelor of Divinity therefore he usurps it which every one wou●d smile at as inconclusive We say further in S. T. 4thly We have the Lord Jesus many times crying out above all others against the Pharisees condemning them of pride hypocrisie avarice but not the least tittle of the usurpation of Moses his Seat is by him charged upon them or in the least intimated which doubtless would have been had they been guilty thereof Mr. T. replies 1. 'T is no wonder that Christs charging them herewith is not in express tearms related sith their instigation of Herod to take away John Baptists life related by Josephus is not related as impu●ed to them by him Answ 1. 'T is very uncertain
Of their rise from the customs and manner of the Nations directly contrary to many precepts The introduction of mens Inventions into the Worship of God idolatrous Will-worship Idolatry The judgment of the Ancients and others thereabout A departure from the Institutions of God to the Customs of the Nations called in Scripture a forsaking of God Several Scriptures reviewed Of the Jews worshipping other Godds How these things are applicable to the Church of England IN Sect. 9. This Animadverter examines what was asserted in S. T. touching the Apostasie of the Church of the Jews from the pure Institutions of the Lord mingling therewith the Inventions of Men and Customs of the Nations of which God sorely complaines and for it severely punisheth them the Contests of God from first to last being bottomed upon this foot of account which as it relates to the People of the Jews he acknowledgeth the truth of But to apply these things with the threatnings and punishments in the places mentioned to the imposing or using of such Ceremonies as are retained in the Church of England is a gross abuse Answ 1. But who applied them hereunto The utmost of the Athors intention in this assertion was only to manifest That a Church might be wonderfully gathered and separated by the Lord out of the World taken near to himself for his People yet soon apostatize and depart from him which the Jews did From whence I thought it had been lawful to conclude That another Church or Churches except some special Priviledge or grant to the contrary given to them of the Lord could be produced might likewise apostatize from God which when applied to the Church of England as ●e calls it only amounts to thus much that supposing it once was a true Church 't is possible if it hath not already it may apostatize and depart from God which Mr. T. will not deny And that this was the utmost of my intendment in this matter is evident from Q. 7. P. 11. Where are these words Whether any Church in the world we speak of a visible instituted Church hath greater security against Apostasie from God and that sore Judgment of having its Candlestick removed and being unchurched than the People of the Jews had If not Then whether supposing a National Church of the Institution of Christ it may not so come to pass that it may be so overspread with corruptions that it may lose the essence of a Church and justly be disrobed of that appellation Yet upon second thoughts I see not that there is such a vast discrepancy betwixt the Inventions of men charged upon the Jews for which they were threatned and punished and the Inventions are to be found in the Church of England as this Animadverter would compel us to the belief of He tells us 1. That their Inventions were expresly forbidden And are not the Ceremonies of the Church of England Inventions of Men he grants at least some of them to be Now all the Inventions of man in the Worship of God relating to it as such were then and now expresly forbidden whilest he supposeth the contrary he doth but beg the Question by the second Commandment and elsewhere as hath been shewed The learned Dr. Willet in his Coment on the 2d Com. tells us That the true Worship of God which according to his nature must be spiritual is commanded in this 2d Precept and that he will be worshipped according to his Will revealed in his Word to which it is not lawful to add to or take any thing therefrom as the Lord said to Moses Exod. 25. 9. He further acquaints us That all other kinds of superstitious Worship devised by man which the Apostle calleth 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Will-worship Col. 2. 23. for we must saith he be contented with Rites and Ceremonies prescribed of God himself and the application of things of themselves indifferent so unto the Service of God as to make them a necessary part thereof is condemned by this Precept 2dly Mr. T. asserts That the Ceremonies of the Church of England are confessed out of the Case of Worship in themselves to be things indifferent Answ 1. And were there no Ceremonies amongst the Jews confessed out of the case of Worship to be so This Animadverter knows the contrary 2. By what authority doth any of the children of men make that necessary in case of Worship that is confessedly not so out of it i. e. make it a part of Worship for if necessary in case of Worship 't is evidently made a part thereof without which it cannot acceptablly be performed I confess Dr. Foen in Comitiis Oxon. An. 1605. one of their own Poets sings In Domini cultu si quid medium esse videtur Quod populti dubio stat cadit arbitrio Hoc Sacro-sancta parens Ecclesia si modo sanxit Inque sacris cultum hunc si velit esse ratum Non erit hic cultus medius cogetur ad illum Quisque necessarius hic quoque cultus erit Wherein he tels us That if any thing be indifferent in the Worship of God and Holy-Mother-Church shall establish and confirm it it ceaseth to be indifferent and becomes necessary Worship which every one is to be compelled to In which he speaks shall I say like a true Son of the Church of England or of Rome But he forgets to tell us upon what Scripture he bottoms these two Assertions First That there is any thing relating to the Worship of God as such of an indifferent nature Secondly That 't is in the power of the Church to make that which is left indifferent by the Lord a necessary Worship nor can he produce any but the unwritten Word or Law communicated to the Pope or his Conclave I know not when and kept I know not where which will prove no better at best than the proof the Jews bring for their Fopperies since their Apostacy and scattering abroad out of their Talmudical Writers or the Turks from their Alcoran i. e. frivolous and ridiculous This is generally decried and exploded by Protestant Writers Peter Martyr In Epist ad Hoop Episcop Glocest affirms of the English Ceremonies That Quoad aliter facere non liceat i. e. in their imposition as necessary parts of Worship they were grievous and burdensom Certain Princes of Germany to please Charles the Emperor Imposed the Surplice and other Rites upon the Ministers of their several Territories and are all condemned Supplicat Teolog German A. 1561. for this That they caused to sigh the Spirit of God and the hearts of good men It is Blasphemy to think that any outward thing may be made a Sign in the Church of any thing that is spiritual as the Cross in Baptism is unless it be expresly ordained in the Word and Commanded by God himself to be used to that end saith Lambert Danaeus Cont. Bellar. de Cult Sanct. Lib. 3. Cap. 7. Contrary whereto is the Doctrine of none of the Reformed Churches