Selected quad for the lemma: judgement_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
judgement_n	authority_n	church_n	person_n	1,479	5	5.0691	4	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A85046	The doctrine of schism fully opened and applied to gathered churches. Occasioned by a book entituled, Sacrilegious dissertion of the holy ministery rebuked; and tolerated preaching of the Gospel vindicated. / By The author of Toleration not to be abused by the Presbyterians.	Fullwood, Francis, d. 1693.	1672 (1672)	Wing F2501A; ESTC R177345	75,715	184

I could shew to have as many real Soloecisms in it as you have noted in my whole Book But I am not careful for these things you deal more hardly with me when you lay presumption and cruelty to the Non-conformists at my door cannot I imagine that they do not only desire to escape the penalty of the Laws but erect seperate Churches to themselves but I must be an Ithacian Master and make you feel my meaning and give occasion to cry out as you do but my Brother what good will our sufferings do you do you feel your self ever the more at liberty when we are in the Common-Goales are you the fuller because some Non-Conformists want bread Is this reasonable charitable or candid what ground have you for it either in my words or deeds would you not think you had wrong'd me if some Non-Conformists should tell you that I have run some hazards and suffered in my Name for their Liberty and if a peaceable silenc'd Minister should testify that he and his Family have many years together had the greatest part of their livelyhood from my Charity But I must forbear though you provoke me least you should have just cause to impeach my Modesty and think you have cause to say that I in a sense call you Persecutor But who am I when alas the whole body of Conforming Clergy though you have said that many of them are pious able and faithfull in their places yet you more than seem to load them p. 74. with the unchristian like charge of perjury perfidiousness and persecution proud contending who shall be greatest and Covenanting never in certain points to obey Christ against the World and the Flesh And you cannot but know this is no way Argumentative unless you design'd to weaken the Affections of the people towards us and so to prepare them for a seperation which I am not willing to beleive for that I find you in many other places so earnestly perswading to the contrary Sir I do not presume to advise you but Sir if you shall think to write any more upon this matter let me beseech you seriously to consider whether your own principles and the present vile practises of seperation contrary thereunto would not more worthily and more seasonably draw your studies another way I know that the peace and reputation and Integrity of our Parochial Churches are dear to you however you were tempted to mistake me and to let some things fly some things that may chance to prejudice them more than you would There are two principles scattered up and down your Answerer that I here mainly aim at and into these indeed all its strength resolves 1. That the Non-Conformists must preach 2. That to the end the people may serve God better they may gather themselves into other Churches The first of these would not concern me in the defence of my other Book neither doth the allowance of it draw a necessity of gathering Churches as we have made to appear above the latter of them indeed lies at the bottom of all that you say against me and I have often spoken to it even where ever I met it I am now making my Petition in the Churches behalf that you would lay to heart the certain Divisions and confusions that must needs follow upon the practise of both these principles jointly received and improved by the skill of Dividers and the cunning craftiness of such as lie in wait for that purpose The first of these that they must preach give me leave to say as it is the present Engine for division is a plain cheat put upon the World and not to be countenanced by an honest man They must preach but why because of the Text because of the necessities of the people and lastly because of their Relation to their old Flocks of each a little They must preach because the Text saith there is a necessity laid upon us and wo be to us if we do not preach Ans But my Brethren what if you have no opportunity and the Churches are all full must ye preach still We have before noted from Mr. Baxter that where there is no opportunity there is no duty and consequently there is no necessity no Woe is it not plain enough that while you have no particular flock especially while the Law forbids you to have any you have no opportunity to preach publiquely can have no opportunity to be so busie in another mans Diocess nor warrant in Conscience without leave from the Laws which are still obliging notwithstanding c and the License of the Bishop or the Parochial Minister to whose people you would preach It ought to be remembred this Doctrine is perfect Brown●sm and condemn'd as such by the Old Non-Conformists who held and defended against the Brownists that though themselves were only suspended and had yet by Law the possession of their places and no other could lay claim to their flocks yet being only thus suspended they ought not to preach publiquely to their own people Whether suspended or degraded their Doctrine was not the necessity to preach as you and the Brownist say but to keep silent For so long said they as the Bishops suspend and deprive according to Law we account of the Action herein as of the Act of the Church if they do otherwise we have liberty given us by the Law to appeal from them Obj. But we think in our Consciences that the causes of our Silencing are not sufficient to justifie it This very Objection also the Brownists used to the Non-Conformists of old and received this Answer from them Ans It lies say they in them to depose that may ordain and they may shut that may open And that as he may with a good Conscience execute a ministry by the Ordination and calling of the Church who is privie to himself of some unfitness if the Church will press him to it so may he who is privy to himself of no fault that deserves Deprivation cease from the execution of his Ministry when he is pressed thereunto by the Church And indeed if a guiltless person put out of his charge by the Churches Authority may yet continue in it what proceedings can there be against guilty persons who in their own conceits are alwaies guiltless or will at least pretend so to be seeing they also will be ready alway to object against the Churches judgment that they are called of God and may not therefore give over the execution of their Ministery at the will of Man Obj. But how shall we answer the Text woe be to us if we d● not preach Thus also the Brownists urged against the Non-Conformists and were thus solidly answered Ans The case now and in the Apostles times is far different First they that inhibited the Apostles were known and professed Enemies to the Gospel Secondly the Ap●stles were charged not to teach in the name of Christ nor to publish any part of the Doctrine of