Selected quad for the lemma: judgement_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
judgement_n	authority_n	church_n	person_n	1,479	5	5.0691	4	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A55393	Quo warranto, or, A moderate enquiry into the warrantablenesse of the preaching of gifted and unordained persons where also some other questions are discussed : viz. concerning [brace] ministerial relation, election, ordination : being a vindication of the late Jus divinum ministerii evangeliei ... from the exceptions of Mr. John Martin, Mr. Sam. Pette, Mr. Frederick Woodal ... in their late book, intituled The preacher sent / by Matthew Poole ...	Poole, Matthew, 1624-1679.	1659 (1659)	Wing P2850; ESTC R33938	110,108	175

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be_v sufficient_a in_o relation_n my_o knowledge_n of_o a_o rose_n to_o be_v in_o the_o spring_n be_v relate_v to_o that_o rose_n even_o in_o winter_n and_o yet_o the_o rose_n do_v not_o actual_o but_o only_o potential_o exist_v in_o winter_n the_o other_o two_o argument_n be_v trivial_a and_o therefore_o i_o shall_v dilate_v no_o further_o about_o they_o because_o this_o be_v a_o logical_a and_o no_o theological_a controversy_n chap._n ii_o &_o iii_o qu._n whether_o minister_n be_v only_a minister_n to_o their_o particular_a flock_n in_o handle_v of_o this_o i_o shall_v 1._o state_n the_o question_n plain_o and_o faithful_o 2._o i_o shall_v offer_v some_o argument_n for_o the_o negative_a 3._o i_o shall_v inquire_v what_o our_o brethren_n have_v to_o say_v for_o the_o affirmative_a for_o the_o state_n of_o this_o question_n we_o must_v take_v notice_n of_o another_o question_n whence_o it_o have_v its_o rise_n and_o be_v to_o wit_n whether_o beside_o particular_a congregational_a 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the_o whole_a church_n and_o thus_o much_o for_o the_o rise_n of_o the_o question_n for_o our_o brethren_n mind_n we_o shall_v not_o need_v to_o go_v far_o they_o affirm_v positive_o that_o officer_n stand_v in_o relation_n to_o a_o particular_a church_n only_o and_o they_o deny_v they_o to_o be_v officer_n to_o a_o church_n universal_a or_o to_o any_o but_o their_o own_o flock_n pag._n 8._o but_o here_o i_o can_v but_o take_v notice_n of_o a_o weighty_a difference_n among_o our_o congregational_a brethren_n in_o which_o they_o shall_v do_v well_o to_o be_v reconcile_v before_o they_o endeavour_v too_o eager_o to_o obtrude_v their_o notion_n upon_o the_o world_n it_o be_v this_o mr._n shepherd_n and_o allen_n in_o their_o answer_n to_o the_o nine_o question_n assert_v that_o though_o minister_n be_v officer_n only_o to_o their_o own_o flock_n yet_o they_o may_v perform_v act_n of_o their_o office_n towards_o other_o pag._n 133._o and_o learned_a mr._n norton_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d conclude_v that_o a_o minister_n preach_v to_o another_o congregation_n non_fw-la tantum_fw-la virtute_fw-la donorum_fw-la &_o charitatis_fw-la sed_fw-la ex_fw-la vi_fw-la vocationis_fw-la etc._n etc._n i._n e._n not_o only_o as_o a_o gift_a brother_n but_o as_o a_o officer_n and_o it_o be_v sufficient_o know_v that_o it_o be_v the_o judgement_n of_o person_n of_o great_a note_n in_o that_o way_n among_o we_o in_o england_n now_o on_o the_o other_o side_n reverend_a mr._n hooker_n express_o affirm_v that_o when_o a_o minister_n preach_v to_o another_o congregation_n he_o preach_v not_o as_o a_o pastor_n but_o as_o a_o gift_a man_n survey_v part_v 2._o p._n 32._o and_o our_o brethren_n in_o this_o book_n fall_v in_o with_o he_o and_o will_v not_o allow_v minister_n either_o to_o be_v officer_n or_o to_o act_v as_o officer_n towards_o any_o except_o their_o own_o congregation_n for_o the_o better_a clear_n of_o the_o present_a question_n i_o shall_v premise_v two_o consideration_n 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