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A54815	The new politick lights of modern Romes church-government: or The new Gospel according to Cardinal Palavicini revealed by him in his history of the Council of Trent. Englished out of French.	Pallavicino, Sforza, 1607-1667.	1678 (1678)	Wing P213A; ESTC R3747	119,758	288

that Pope Adrian VI was a special Priest sayes our Cardinal fù Ecclesiastico ottimo l. 2. c. 9. He was so thrifty as to his Person and in his Houshold that out of his very thrift he was near able to raise the Succors he had need of to assist as he propos'd to do the Christians against the Turk l. 2. c. 3. à si gravi spese non bastava la parsimonia da lui usata nel proprio sostentamento One might say that he had quite forgot Flesh and Blood la pienissima oblivione della carne e sangue l. 2. c. 3. Not only he never sought that Dignity but contrariwise he was terrible doubtful whether to accept or refuse it l. 2. c. 7. ondeggiò tutta la notte nella deliberazione di consentire ò di ricusare and when his Election was assured he was so little concern'd for it or mov'd with it that this indifference appear'd Blockishness to those which distinguish not heroick Virtue from the insensibility of a foolish Spirit l. 2. c. 3. mostrò ben si una inalterabilità che parue stupidità à chi non distingueva l'eroico dell'insensato At last it was not the desire to command that made him accept this so important Dignity but fear to disobey God nor yet much less design to enrich his Kindred but desire to reform the Church and to fulfil all the Duties of the Sovereign Pontiffe or if one may so say of a good Pope He was besides very Learned he had been long while Professor in Divinity his Life had been alwayes exemplary and he had been as Aaron called to all the Charges through which he passed as well as to that of Sovereign Pontiffe he was born poor he loved the poor and Poverty the Hereticks as well as the Catholicks did acknowledge these his Virtues but for all that says our Cardinal-Historian he was a very ordinary Pope mà in verità mediocre Pontefice because he was too free and too sincere Adriano troppo aperto ' he loved free and open persons without artifice which caused for example that Cheregat's humour pleased him l. 2. c. 7. per che Cheregato fosso di natura apertissima e pero grato al Pontefice his Nature being candid he hated and abhorred all Artifice l. 2. c. 3. essendo ' proprio delle nature candide com' era quella d'Adriano d'aborrire ogni artificio this made him ill beloved of the Italian Nation for as that Nation is ingenious so 't is the property of ingenious Natures to be crafty Ibid. essendo proprio delle nazioni ingegnose com' è l'Italiana l'esser artifiziose So that here all the ill that could be observed in this Pope was an Heroick Virtue according even to this Cardinal-Historian but for all that he was but a mean Pope because he had not the Industry the Address nor the Skill to distinguish amongst the Italian Artifices Truth from Disguise and feigning l. 2. c. 3. mancandogli la perizia per distinguere il simulato dal vero There is extream much therefore to be said against him that he had not Prudence more accommodated to the Circumstances of the Times and one would have been glad if his Zeal had been accompanied with less indiscretion hà fatto in lui desiderare maggior prudenza e circonspezione un zelo non affatto discreto l. 2. c. 7. He acknowledged too sincerely the truth of the Abuses which had reigned in the Court of Rome under those who had immediately gone before him in the Popedom il vituperar si agramente i prossimi antecessori l. 2. c. 7. Adrian VI thinking therefore seriously upon Reformation of the Court of Rome it seemed to him in the first place that he ought to retrench the Revenue of the Datary and those Fees that were exacted for the Expedition of Bulls and other Graces which were granted at Rome but as he knew not the sage Lessons of Experience and the judicious reasoning which she furnishes her Disciples withal questi discorsi somministrati dal magisterio sapientissimo dell esperienza The good man did not see that those Designs so zealous were no other but abstracted Idea's pretty indeed to contemplate but that yet the form of them had not any agreement with the dispositions of their Matter l. 2. c. 6. che i suoi zelanti dissegni erano idée astratte bellissime à contemplarsi ma non forme proporzionate alle condizioni della materia 'T is the most essential point of all Policy to discern if the form be proportionate to the dispositions of the matter that is to say if Laws carry an agreeableness to the gust and inclinations of People for Times Places and other necessary Circumstances Here is for example a Maxim of Cheregat Adrian's Nuncio at the Diet of Nuremberg that evil ought not to be admitted that good may come thereof l. 2. c. 8. non doversi tolerare i mali affinche ne vengan i beni This Maxim taken thus universally is not true it appears by the permission that is given to lewd women to exercise their commerce in quiet without any bodies being suffered to trouble them l. 2. c. 8. come si vide nella permissione delle meretrici In effect this Maxim is not true but in case where the permission of some ill would cause a greater ill than would come by punishing it but on the contrary when one is willing to stop an evil and a greater would come of it assuredly one ought to tolerate it so that one of the most important points of Religious Policy is to discern between the evils of the Abuses which ought to be quashed from those which ought to be suffered as for example dishonest and lewd women are suffered by the Rules of the fleshly Religious Policy But as in occasions where things seeming alike are to be deliberated mens sentiments differ and they are fertil in apparent Reasons of one side and the other l. 9. c. 10. le deliberazioni umane sono fertili d'apparenti raggioni per ogni parte So the most important point of all the fleshly Religious Policy is to know in whom the Supream Authority to govern the Church ought to reside and what Rules ought to be followed that one be not deceived in making a judgment and too that the Church be more happily governed according to the Flesh Our Cardinal maintains that above all one should have a care of those zealous persons persone zelanti but without experience of civil affairs and the politick course of the present world mà inesperte negle affari civili e nel corso del presente mondo politico such as Pope Adrian the VI. was A Pope like unto him that forgot Flesh and Blood is not fit for this kind of discernment Heed must also be taken of a Policy simple sincere and without mask as was his which had not been refined in any

Padri estimò riuscibile Nevertheless if the Pope should observe strictly this moderate Council all would be lost this troubled Alexander VII at his coming to the Popedom for at that time he was very zealous and desirous to re-establish Discipline and retrench Abuses he called to Council the ablest men of the Dattery periti delle facende della Dateria and speaking to them about the Dispensations for Marriages within the prohibited Degrees which were granted so commonly at Rome against the express Prohibition of the Council of Trent he told them he wondred much at so frequent a going against the Decisions of the Council asking them how it could possibly be that it had so passed into a Custom l. 23. c. 18. come passasse questa contrarietà usitata in Roma allo statuto Tridentino That so frequent a contravention against the Judgment of that Venerable Assembly appeared to him little praise-worthy pareva poco lodevole che si frequentemente si repugnasse al giudicio di questa veneranda assemblea They answered him That this Custom began in the time of Pius V a Pope of a signal and severe Goodness and a religious Observer of the Council and that there was no other Reason but that of experience of the Fact Ibid. che la ragione di questo discostamento del decreto Sinodale era stata l'esperienza del fatto He had seen that from the Decree of the Council of Trent ensued great and very considerable inconveniences in practice and therefore that holy Pope made no difficulty to dispense therewith even without having any other cause therefore Thus the Council of Trent for all its Prudence and Moderation suffered it self to be carried too far away with its Zeal and went too far into an Ideal Reformation whereof mischievous inconveniences might have followed if the Prudence of the Popes had not brought a Cure What can be hoped for then from all the other Councils wherein there was never found so much Prudence and Moderation as appeared in this last Council There be a-many other Articles besides that of Marriage wherein there is need that the Pope should give ease against the severity of the Council for example in that which concerns plurality of Benefices if the Pope should not still dispense therewith the Cardinals would have nothing to live on and the Court of Rome would turn Desart l. 12. c. 13. Senato Romano privo di quelle badie rimanerebbe privo del vitto One may see of what importance it is for keeping up the Church to keep up the Splendor of the Court of Rome yet the Council of Trent made no reckoning of it so that what can one hope for from any other Council whatsoever In fine The Council of Trent declared That all the World was obliged to observe its Canons indistinctly and that none should be dispensed with but when there was urgent and just cause urgens justaque ratio and then the Dispensation should be given freely gratis otherwise the same should be null Aliterque facta dispensatio subreptitia censeatur Sess 25. c. 18. But now these Dispensations are not given gratis at the Court of Rome where a great deal is given for them sine causa without any reason but that they pretend that the Money that is gotten thereby contrary to the Council of Trent is a just and pressing consideration for to grant them out l. 23. c. 8. Anzi essere in verità gran ' cagione per dispensare quella grossa multa che l'impetrante si contenta di pagar in aiuto de' poveri e dell'opere pie It is manifest then that even the Reformation of the Council of Trent would be Ideal and of no success riformazione ideale e non riuscibile if it were not judiciously reformed by the Politick Prudence of the Roman Court so that nothing is less useful than Councils and less necessary for governing the Church ARTICLE VIII The Council of Trent it self hath acknowledged That the way to govern the Church is no longer that of Councils and that the Laws which it made were submitted to a Superior Authority THe best one can say of the Council of Trent is That it had the Prudence to insert in its Decrees beginning and ending That it meant in all things that the Authority of the Apostolick See should remain inviolate l. 23. c. 3 8. salva in tutto l'autorità della Sede Apostolica Wherefore quoth our Cardinal I will not quite blame the Fathers of that Council for Decreeing against Plurality of Benefices ne per tutto ciò si vogliono biasimare i padri Tridentini for they had no intention by that Decree to bind his Supremacies Hands whom they had declared all along to be left at full liberty l. 23. c. 11. per ciò che il decroto non intese d'annodar quelle mani supreme che il Concilio si nel principio come nel fine delle sue leggi dichiarò di lasciar disciolte But as in all Policy Sacred or Profane 't is the approbation which the People give unto a Law by their usage thereof that determines the force and the Merit of that Law and when it is doubtful what success it may have 't is prudence to try first if the greatest number will be pleased therewith l. 8. c. 11. è prudenza il tentare ezandio con dubio dell'evento ciò che se riuscisse sarebbe grato al commune It follows that there must be a Superior Authority to derogate from the Laws of a Council or to dispense with them according as usage may require therein or thereabout and this the Council of Trent hath very well acknowledged in declaring it meant not in any sort to tie up the Popes hands insomuch that through an effect of a singular Policy though there should not be so much as one Decree of the Council of Trent observed yet if that were so by the Pope's Order it would be found That nevertheless the Decrees of that Council were kept because he would be obeyed to whom the Council hath left absolute power which reaches as far as to impower him to derogate from the Council's Orders After this fashion is it that our Cardinal maintaining That the Church ought not to be governed by way of Councils and that That of Trent hath upheld the Pope in an Authority over its own doth defend the Judgment of the whole Christian World Assembled in that Council and thus he defends the whole Catholick Church and this is the Ground he hath to call his Book Diffesa del Sacro Concilio di Trento Proem ARTICLE IX Refutation of the Zealot's Fifth Errour That Episcopacy is but one and the same thing in all Bishops This is a Seditious Opinion and destroyes the Allness and Soleness of the Monarchy Ecclesiastick THe Difference about Episcopacy is not concerning the Bishop's power of Order for that 's common to all Bishops of Divine Right There