that would have received them yea and cast them out ver 10. of the Church to wit excommunicated them but doth it hereby appear saith he that Diotrephes would have his congregation independent and have an absolute jurisdiction within it selfe Nâ— saith he but Diotrephes would lord it over the Church and have the Preeminency above his brethren whether fellow Elders or fellow Saints By the way take notice that in Master Knollys his opinion Diotrephes was a Saint Saint Diotrephes therfore let him be even such another Saint as himselfe and his brethren are Diotrephes saith he loving the primacy amongst them would be the Primate and Metropolitan of the Church and have the preeminency of all the Presbyters in it and brethren of it And why therefore should the Doctor marvell that his brethren should now urge this place against the Court of Preshyters Thus Master Knollys while he seemes to answer most maliciously and wickedly calumniates his brethren and labours to perswade the world that the presbyters of our times are like Diotrephes in affecting Supremacy over their fellow Presbyters and over the churches and all this to inrage the people against them when it is they themselves that would bring all men under their slavery and have an absolute authority and jurisdiction Independent in their severall congregations within themselves which was the sinne of Diotrephes But out of Master Knollys his words it appeareth that Diotrephes had a particular congregation For Church and congregation are Synonimaes in his Dialect which is yet more clearely evident from his words page the 7. which are these Therefore saith he the Apostle writs to the Church or particular congregation whereof Diotrephes was a member and an Elder who he knew had power to judge him These are Master Knollys formall expressions out of all which it doth now evidently appeare that there were many Presbyters and many congregations in that Church Saint Iohn writeth unto and that Diotrophes had his particular congregation amongst them for so Master Knollys doth in expresse termes acknowledge and in so speaking contradicts himselfe and vindicates me from the error he accused me of who affirmed I was much mistaken in my commentary exposition and application of that place saying there was no mention made of any particular congregation Diotrephes had And yet here he asserteth that Saint Iohn writ to the church or particular congregation whereof Diotrephes was a member and an Elder so that he hath done my worke for me once and again and made himselfe guiltie of that fault he charged me with page 6 and page 7. By which all men may see not only the contentiousnesse and restlesnesse of the creatures spirit and the folly of the man who contradicteth himselfe at every hand but may also gather that that Church consisted of many congregations all the which made but one Church within its precinct and was to be governed by the joynt consent and common counsell of the Presbyterie and that Diotrephes aspiring to the primacy amongst them and seeking to stand singular by himselfe with his congregation and to be Independent and to have no relation or reference to the Presbyters of that Church became an offender by it and was therefore severely reproved by Saint Iohn for his so doing in opposing his brethren in taking in and casting out of what members he pleased by his sole and absolute authority all which Mr Knollys accordeth to whether therefore this were not to make his congregation Independent and whether Diotrephes was not the first that opposed the Presbyterian government and affronted a Court and common councell of Presbyters seeing we read of none that did these things before him and whether those that now seek to establish an absolute jurisdiction in every congregation within themselves Independent be not rather like Diotrephes than those godly Ministers that desire the government in common according to Gods holy word I leave it to the judgement of the learned to consider and whether or no Mr Knollys doth not palpably contradict himselfe in all this his discourse for he acknowledgeth that Diotrephes had his particular congregation and opposed the Presbyters in it and that he did evill in usurping authority over the church and those brethren he cast out and yet notwithstanding he said it was more then he knew or I could prove Whether this therefore be not to contradict himself and to say and unsay and meerly to trifle I leave to the judgement of all intelligible men I conceive that all men that are but of ordinary capacity when they shall well consider my argument and Mr Knollys his reply unto it will say that Diotrephes assumed that power to himselfe which belonged to the Colledge and councell of Presbyters for if he had not bin a transgressour and an offender against Saint Iohn and the other Presbyters the Apostle would never have said Wherefore if I come I will remember his deeds which he doth prating against us with malicious wordes c. so that by us there must necessarily be understood Saint John himselfe and the other Presbyters for he includes himselfe in the number of those that Diotrephes prated against and opposed Now Saint John was an Elder for so he calleth himselfe and Mr Knollys acknowledgeth it and confesseth also that there were many more Elders in that Church and against all those did Diotrephes prate with malicious words in opposition to their authority which Mr Knollys doth not gain-say yea he affirmrth it that Diotrephes would lord it over the Church and have the preeminency above his brethren whether fellow-Elders or fellow-Saints he would be Primate saith he and Metropolitan of the Church and have the preeminency of all the Presbyters in it and Brethren of it Doth it not then sufficiently appear from Mr Knollys his own words that Diotrephes assumed that power to himselfe that belonged to the Colledge and councell of Presbyters and that he was the first that opposed the Presbyterian government and that affronted the common-councell of Presbyters without speaking of malicious words against them lording it over the Church and taking in and casting out of members and ruling after an arbitrary way and with a sole power and authority within himselfe in his congregation and violating that order of government God had established in that Church be not in Mr Knollys and those of his parties judgement to assume that authority to himselfe that belonged unto the councell of Presbyters and openly to oppose the Presbyterian government and to affront all the Presbyters which were ridiculous in any man to affirme I am confident all intelligible Christians will say there was never any opposition of any court or councell of Presbyters if this were not and yet Mr Knollys saith it is more then he knoweth or I can prove that Diotrephes assumed that power to himselfe that belonged unto the Colledge of Presbyters or that he opposed the Presbyterian government and yet acknowledgeth the thing in formall words whether
dayes at her first comming to the Crown when there was a mighty Popish faction in the Court and through the whole Realm as all men know and when there was as great an indeavour for the bringing in of a toleration of that Religion as now there is for the setting up a Pantheon of all manner of Sects And such reasons there were then given for the establishing of the Catholique Religion as they called it as I beleeve if they should all be rehearsed there is few of those that now plead for a toleration of all can give the like but better I am most confident they cannon give For if multitudes of a contrary opinion armed with strength power also and they all furnished with malice and resolution to put them upon the imployment of their strength had been able to create danger to the Kingdome if the liberty of their consciences should have been denyed unto them then there was nothing wanting to terrifie a State to condescend to grant a toleration but all this could not then prevail nor all the art of perswasion they then used as that men of a contrary judgement were rather to be won with sweetnesse and lenity and loving perswasions and arguments and reasons then by any coercive way which often brought danger unto Kingdoms many arguments more with great worldly wisdom were then produced which with many that were reall Protestants and then in â—ouncel seemed of some weight but at that time there was a brave Nobleman present and a man of great understanding and as they usually call such a great Statesman but yet such an one as was never taken notice of to be any great zealot for Religion on either side Yet he demanding of the Councell that was then in debate about this businesse the greatest part of which seemed to make profession of the Protestant Religion and something incline to yeeld unto a toleration whether or no they thought the Protestant Religion was the true Religion and that way of serving God that he had appointed and the most of them replyed that they from their hearts and souls beleeved that it was Gods Religion and that which was taught in the holy Scriptures Then said this Nobleman my Lords set up and establish that Religion only and no other do you your duty and labour to authorize it and your life for mine God will help you to maintain his own honour and cause against what power and policy soever shall come against you for he can infatuate their counsell and enervate their strength and blast all their attempts in a moment who is all-sufficient and against whom no counsell nor understanding can prevail for he sitteth in Heaven and doth whatsoever he pleaseth for as there is no Lord or Master that can indure any servant that shall comply with his enemies give equall honour and service to his adversary that he doth to himself or connive at any so doing so God will never like of your service when you worship him if ye serve the devill also which you must do if you set up any other Religion or any other Religion or any other way of Church Government in the Kingdome then that you beleeve in your hearts God himselfe hath appointed for as two Religions so contrary one to another are incompitible with the glory and honour of God who hath said No man can serve two Masters so they will be destructive to the safety of the Kingdome And therefore my Lords saith he as we have but one God so I beseech your honours let us have but one Religion in the Kingdome and one kinde of Church Government amongst us and that ratified and established by authority for if their be a liberty left for every man or every faction to do what they please we shall speedily bring down the judgements of God upon the Kingdome and a confusion upon us all And many reasons more he gave to this purpose by which he so prevailed with the Councell that they agreed to give no toleration for Popery or allow of any faction in Religion but resolved with all speed to establish the Protestant Religion And truly the same argument may now be used for the establishing of one Religion and one kinde of Govrnment And as Elijah said to Baals Priests and to the people If God be God then follow him c. So if this way of worshipping God that is held forth in the Protestant Churches and hath for some generations been taught in the Church of England be that way then it will be for the honour and glory of God and the safety of the Kingdome that that onely be established which will bring peace to Church and State and take away all occasions of offence and jarrs amongst brethren For the examples of Poland Transsylvania and Holland they are no presidents to other Nations their politique proceedings are no examples for other Christian Countries and Kingdoms to follow for Christians are to live by the rule of GODS Word and Christ's their Kings laws and to follow the examples of his own people onely in their wel-doing and not in their failings and therefore we are to follow the example of Abraham Joshua Elias and the other Patriarchs Prophets and holy Apostles who never tolerated all Religions Yea we are commanded in Romans 12. Not to conform our selves to this world but that we should be transformed by the renewing of our minds that we may prove what iâ— the good and the acceptable and perfect will of God This Will of God therefore must be the rule and square that we must ever set before our eyes and hearts in matters of our God and in points of Religion and worship and not the example ot Poland and Transsilvania Now let us heare what is the good will and pleasure of Christ our Law-giver concerning this point of toleration who challengeth and that of all due and right to be our Master saying Matth. 23. 8. Be not yee called Rabbi for one is your Master even Christ and againe verse 10. neither be ye called Masters saith he for one is your Master even Christ this reiterating of the same prohibition and challenge to be our Master shewes that wee are not to make either men or Angels or whole Kingdomes or Countries our Masters but onely Christ we must alwayes therefore in matters of Religion have recourse unto his good word and will and heare his voice and therefore let us heare what the will of Christ is concerning this busines of Toleration who in in the 8. of Mark 15. speaking there unto his Disciples and in them to all Christians for the Independent Masters hold that the Disciples represented the whole Christian Church he charged them saying take heed and beware of the leven of the Pharisees and of the leven of Herod here wee find a treble caveat a Charge and a Take-heed and a Beware as if the Lord had said I cannot use too many words to make them take heed
c. and of what even of a Toleration of any Religion but the true Religion and of that Religion Christ hath taught us by what authority soever it comes ratified unto us whether by Ecclesiasticall or civill yea though it bee imposed upon us by the command of Kings and Rulers themselves for saith Christ our Master I charge you all take heed and beware of the leven of the Pharisees and of the leven of Herod Now by leven our Saviour understands all traditions and doctrines of men and injoyns all his Disciples to beware of them and commands them to take heed of them and not to tolerate them amongst them and that this is his good will and pleasure he hath ratified it when hee was in heaven for writing unto the Church of Thyatira Revel 2. verse 20. I have saith hee a few things against thee because thou sufferest that woman Jezabel which calleth her selfe a Prophetesse to teach and seduce my servants c. Here Christ hath declared his will and good pleasure and how much he displeased with that Church that shee suffered those false Teachers and Seducers amongst them and that they but connived at them and pronounces fearfull judgements against both that Church and the Church of Pergamos and that of Laodicea for tolerating the Doctrine of Baalam the Nicolaitans and for suffering those luke-warme Christians amongst them so that there is nothing that Christ abhorreth more then a toleration of all Religions but that wee may farther yet know what the good will and pleasure of God is concerning this point let us heare Paul who made knowne the whole counsell of God to his Church Act. 20. Now hee in the 17. of the Acts declareth the will of God touching this matter for after that hee had reproved the Athenians for their superstitions ver 22. and undertaken to teach them the knowledge of the true God who they ignorantly worshipped and the right way of worshipping and serving him and informing them that hee is not worshipped with mens hands that is with any of their inventions and with what way or in what manner they thinke fit God saith hee is not to bee worshipped after any traditions of men but according to his owne appointments and this hee challenges by right from all men as being the absolute Lord of them all for he made them they are saith the Apostle the off-spring of God and his Generation and they live in him and move in him and have their being in him and their breath and life from him yea saith the Apostle hee hath determined the times before appointed and the bounds of their habitation Now God saith hee hath given you all these things that yee should seeke the Lord that is that ye should worship him as hee is your Lord and King and to whom all honour and service of right is due now then as wee are his off-spring we must not thinke of God after our fantasie and set up such a worship as pleaseth our selves or allow of any kind or way of worshipping God that men please to follow as you superstitiously doe at Athens no saith the Apostle God will be worshipped after his owne way and after his owne appointment and howsoever God winked at the times of this ignorance yet now hee commands all men every where to repent that is to set up the true Religion and to worship him after one way for saith hee all the nations are now to set up one way of worship and if they will not obey this Lord of the whole world and imbrace that one and onely true Religion that I teach and preach unto you then I tell you plainely that as God hath appointed a day wherein hee will judge the world in righteousnesse by Christ Iesus if you will not set up his true worship and the true Religion and the right way of serving him but will tolerate all manner of Religions amongst you still as formerly you have done and give liberty to every man to serve God after his owne will and pleasure and not according to this good will and pleasure of God you shall be eternally damned for this is the meaning of the Apostle so that the will of God must be our rule for worship and not Poland and Transsylvania the will of God saith the Apostle must be that wee must follow in worshipping and serving him Now when by the Word of God that acceptable and perfect will of his wee are taught that hee was displeased with his people the Jewes for tolerating of all religions amongst them and that he was highly offended with those christian Churches in Asia for tolerating the doctrines of Balaam and Iezabel we are sufficiently taught and instructed that Christians ought not to tolerate any other Religion but that which Christ the only King and Law-giver of his Church hath taught us and that whosoever should take that authority upon them to tolerate all Religions would bee found fighters against God and such as deservedly would bring downe his judgements upon the Land by it for if but conniving at evill and consenting to it be a thing displeasing unto God how would the tolerating of it by a Law be abominable unto his sacred and divine Majesty for this were to establish iniquity by a Law We are taught in the holy Scriptures that the consenting with a thiefe makes a man as guilty before God as the acting of thievery Psal 50 and that they that assented unto Jezabel in killing the Prophets made themselves all as guilty as Jezabel her selfe and that the Heathen Romans Rom. 1. verse 32. who knowing the judgement of God that they which commit such things are worthy of death not onely doe the same but consent with them that doe them made themselves as equally guilty as the Actors of them as Paul in his bill and information put up in the Court of Heaven against them sufficiently declareth the same did Elias in his bill of information against the people in his time accusing them all as equally guilty of the blood of the Prophets and destroying Religion as Jezabel and onely because they consented unto it They saith Elias have killed thy Prophets and have broken down thy Altars Which they all the people that assented unto her as well as the Officers and Executioners And so our Saviour in his time accuseth the people as well as Herod for slaying of Iohn the Baptist saying They have done to him whatsoever they pleased They which they all the Nobles that sate at Table with Herod that did not disswade Herod from that bloody and tyrannicall act and all the people that liked well of it the sinne of this Nation who assented unto the bloody Decrees and censures given in the High-commission-Court and in the Star-chamber and in all other unjust Courts the people that assented unto all their cruell censuâ—es against Gods people and liked well of it are as equally guilty who would ordinarily say that had they beene Judges
that I may not passe by lest he should glory I could not answer it I will therefore say something to that and conclude this point and then go on to all his other fond answers to such arguments as he thought himselfe best able to incounter with His words are these in the conclusion of his Babble If saith he nothing of publike concernment ought to be done and transacted without the joynt mutual agreement and common consent of the Presbytery John the Presbyter would not have transgressed so farr as to take upon himselfe this authority over Diotrephes to tell the Church of his faults and to say he would remember him and sharply reprove him and teach him to prate against the Presbytery with malicious words which belonged to the Court and Common-councell of Presbyters Thus Mr Knollys rather chatters than disputes in making such an inference from his own conceit And therefore for Answer let Mr Knollys know that there was no transgression in Saint Iohn against the Presbyters in taking such authority upon himselfe for S. John was an Apostle and an universall Pastor tyed to no one place or flock but had the same power and authority that Paul and all the other Apostles had over all the Churches the care of which lay primarily and principally upon them who were immediately inspired by God and in all their preachings and writings followed the dictates of his holy Spirit who spake in and by them so that whatsoever they taught or writ was to be the rule of all mens thoughts words actions and governments and it was their place to give Laws unto all Churches and Ministers in them what they should do in the ordering and governing of the same and therefore S. John had no lesse authority and power over this Church wherein Diotrephes was an Elder and in and over all other Churches then S. Paul and all the other Apostles had in all Churches Now if S. Paul could give a Law unto the Church of Corinth For the casting out of the Incestuous person and for the carrying of themselves with Order and Decency in their Assemblies and sharply reproove offenders in that Church and if all the other Apostles did the like and took such Authority upon them over all the members of those severall Churches and that without any transgression of any divine institution but with the very good liking and allowance of God himselfe who writ the Commandements of the Lord to all the Churches then I say Saint Iohn transgressed not at all in using his authority and power given him of God over Diotrephes in telling the Church of his faults and saying He would remember him and sharply reprove him for this he might well do by his sole Authority without any offence as he was an Apostle for what he did he did by immediate Revelation and had a warrant for it from Christ himselfe who sent his spirit to lead him into all truth And therefore it is a ridiculous if not an impious thing in Master Knollys to draw such an inference from a phantasie of his own brain in that he makes no difference between Saint Iohn and another ordinary Presbyter and Minister and would make that an offence which was none and infer that Saint Iohn took more upon him than he ought Besides it had been no transgression in any other Presbyter if he had writ so to any Presbytery under which he had been a fellow Presbyter to inform them of any miscarriage in either Pastor or member of that Church wherein he was an Elder and if he had said If I come I will remember his deeds c. For in his so speaking he would assume no more authority to himselfe then became a Presbyter to take upon him as both to witnesse to a truth and to give in evidence of what he knew of such a man to his fellow judges and then to leave it to the judgement of the Presbytery and Common Councell of Elders which Saint Iohn did whose place it was to censure such an offender and in his so doing he should no way impeach the power and authority of the Court or Common councell of Presbyters but rather ratifie and confirme it as all learned men will gather For by such words he declareth that there is a standing Court or Councell there where offenders are both to be questioned and censured for such an expression If I come I will remember his deeds sufficiently declareth that there was power in their hands and manifesteth that he was a judge there among the rest who with others had the hearing of all causes there and that all businesses of publike concernment ought to be done and transacted by the mutuall and joynt accord and agreement of the Presbytery and not to be managed by any one singly by himself or by the people whom God had never given the Keyes unto nor the power of rule and Government This I affirme will necessarily ensue and follow and not that which Mr Knollys vainly intimateth And I am confident that any judicious Christian upon due deliberation will say the same and will conclude That Saint Iohn in his so writing was no offender though all things of publike concernment in the Church were ever to be transacted by the joynt agreement and common consent of the Presbytery So that all men that are judicious may plainly behold the futility in both the answers and cavills of this man and well perceive that he was never cut out for a disputant or ever fitted for Government in church or State who if he might have his own minde would bring in a confusion in both and violate all order divine and humane and make the head the foot and the foot the head And truly if a man would but consider the manner of Government in their seven new Churches or rather seventy for every ten or twelve of them prove a Church he should find in them all so much disorder and discrepancy amongst them and yet every one of them pretending Divine authority for its particular government as he would advisedly conclude That God was never the author of them for God is a God of order and not of confusion for never since the world began was there such practiceâ— in any Christian Churches as are to be found in theirs And to speake the truth they are a meere mockery of all government for every one of those severall Churches be they never so slender and small assumes an absolute soveranity unto themselves Independent from all other Churches and Presbytries from the which there is no appeale be one never so much wronged And they are as so many free States and republicks every one of them ruling within themselves as absolute Magistracies And therefore upon all occasions if any difference arise betweene member and member in those Churches or betweene Church and Church as often they do as other Countries and Common-weales send their Embassadours to each other upon any difference or about states affayres
authority within themselves for this purpose and they have usually choyce enough of men fit for their imployments and so it was in the Apostolicall and Primitive Churches who collectively taken were all collegiatly and classically governed and depended upon their severall Presbyteries in their severall jurisdictions which if they had beene single congregations only as the Independents would perswade the deluded people they could never have done for the many reasons both now and in the foregoing Discourse specified So that I am consident it sufficiently now appeareth to any rationall man that no particular Congregation can injoy all Gods Ordinances within it selfe without Dependency upon others there being an impossibility of it self The same may be said of the other Ordinance of Excommunication which cannot in any particular congregation be injoyed without it be Presbyterated to use their owne expression that is to say except it have their Presbyters and Elders and Church Officers within it selfe annexed to it for they amongst the Independents that hold that excommunication must be inflicted by the votes of the whole Congregation understand it then onely to be a compleate and formed Church and to be an entire and a whole congregation when it consists of their Elders their other Officers as well as of the people and affirme that the people without the Elders cannot excommunicate any nor the Elders without the people and they of the Independent party on the other side for they doe not all agree amongst themselves in their Church government which hath retarded the bringing in of their new nodle least that by it they should loose many of their Disciples and Followers which they well know would soone breake of if they should not humour them in their new mould and therefore they cunningly juggle with the people and faine pretences when indeed if they had meant Christianly and honestly they would long since have brought in their new noddle of church government but fearing what would insue and which would not be for their profit and honour they have hitherto made delayes to the great disturbance of Church and State and the seducing of many but I say those of the congregationall way that hold that this Ordinance of Excommunication belongs unto the Elders onely and put it into their hands excluding the people from their votes and that for many inconveniences as they suppose which are not yet removed for all that as will by and by appear yet I say on all sides they agree that without the Presbyters consent none can be excommunicated be they never so scandalous so that so long as any congregation is without their Presbyters and Officers they cannot injoy this Ordinance also neither can they ordaine them within themselves without help from other Churches as I said before and therefore they want this Ordinance till their new supply and that they must crave from other churches when their officers are dead and therefore of necessity they must still be Dependent but now let it bee granted that when their church or congregation is againe recruted and made up againe or presbyterated and compleate in respect of both Officers and Members and that it consists of ten twenty or thirty or it may be of a few more which is a pretty full church and congregation amongst them what inconveniences and them of dangerous consequence would forth with insue upon it yea under how intolerable a yoake of slavery would many oppressed Christians by this meanes groan under when at any time they are unjustly and wrongfully injured by them for there is no appeale from them to any other Court or Church-Tribunall for redresse or reliefe let them be never so much wronged or injured or damnified by them For if the formidable sentence of excommunication passe once against any person be it right or wrong they throw and cast him out of communion not onely amongst themselves but the whole visible catholick Church and deliver him up to the devill therefore if this ordinance of excommunication be once inflicted upon any Member by the whole congregation as some of the II-dependents would have it or by two or three Presbyters only as others contend the misery and grievance is never the lesse nor the inconvenience and that of dangerous consequence the lesse avoidable as will dayly appear for if all the congregation passe this sentence many of the Members who have their votes are private men and for the most part unlearned and unexperienced through want of yeares parts education and breeding and not able to understand the nature of the allegations and probations they being many times so intricate so that they can never be able to apply the rule unto the case for the inflicting of a just censure and may be in danger also to bear a peculiar hatred or ill will unto their persons and so apt to be swayed by their passion to do unjustice or may be over-awed by fear or threatnings of some other in the congregation who are the enemies to the party in question so that they being powerfull men rich in estate amongst them and they being poor and indigent people whose dependency may be upon them as they are either children servants workmen or tenants of which most of the congregations consist and they daring not displease them especially if they be their friends as many times it happens for all or any of these respects I say they going with the stronger side may passe this sentence of excommunication against him most unjustly as it often happeneth this must go for currant if the most voices carry it and from them the party unjustly dealt with hath no appeal but if they be obstinately bent against him must live and dye in this condition under this heavy doome which I beleeve in every understanding mans judgement will seem an intolerable inconvenience for there is no appeale from them On the other side be it granted that the Elders onely of this particular congregation have the power of excommunication in their hands they are not ordinarily above two or three and many times none of the learnedst wisest and honestest men that ever were borne and therefore are lyable and in danger of the same temptations that the other were because of particular relations and their dependence on their congregation for their maintenance and support who they ordinarily dare not displease for they know the ficklenesse of the people and how little a thing will disgust them and alienate their affections from them which would be a cause also of withdrawing their contributions and supplies by which they support themselves and their families and commonly when any rich and great man falls of from a Minister though he be never so faithfull and diligent in his place yet he will withdraw many yea of themselves the unstable people will take occasion by others example to slight and neglect their Ministers as hourly experience teacheth us for humor not them in every thing and they are gone Yea but
were excluded who were not at any time permitted to vote in churches 1 Cor. 14. And therefore the whole multitude of beleevers were not there for women were part of the multitude neither were the weak brethren to be admitted to doubtfull Disputations by a speciall command from the Apostle Paul Rom. 14. v. 1. and this is accorded to by the wise I. S. that confident disputant who saith that the Apostles and Elders as a Committee first prepared the dispute and after reported it not counting it safe to admit the weak to the same whiles it was intricate so that from Saint Pauls Doctrine there were neither women nor weak brethen there and from I. S. his own concession the weak were not admitted all the time of the dispute and therefore the whole multitude of beleevers that were in Ierusalem were not in the Councell by all which it is apparently evident That by brethren and church and multitude there the whole company of Beleevers in Ierusalem cannot be understood and therefore by Brethren Multitude and the whole Church we are necessarily to understand the learned and godly Prophets Ministers and Members of that church chiefe and eminent ones such as Judas and Sylas were and with them are to be joyned the other Presbyters that came out of all the Churches of Iudea with those that came with Paul and Barnabas from Antioch which being all confidered together made up a great number and multitude all the which are called the Church v. 3. the Scripture there speaking Synecdochically and taking a part for the whole I say of all such as these are did that Synod consist and not of all sorts of believers w ch were not members fit for a Synod and Councell which was to be managed and ordered and consist of such men only as had received the Keys and upon whom the government of the Church was laid which was never committed to the people much lesse to women therfore I say in all these respects by the Brethren and Multitude and the whole Church we are to understand it Synecdochically as before for all those that were in the councell which were but a part of the whole for the eminent Ministers and Prophets that were Commissioners there and assistants to the Apostles and Eldâ—rs he which yet is more evidenâ— from this reason That they onely could bee Iudges and Voters in that Synod which had heard the whole debate and the full dispute on both sides for none can be Iudges in any cause to give righteous judgement that have not fully heard the allegations and probations on both sides which I. S. acknowledgeth the weak neither heard nor could judge of because they were intricate ergo they could not be Iudges nor give their voices there upon no terms for they could not be Judges of things they had not fully understandingly heard now the weake neither heard neither could they have understood if they had heard both which I. S. accordeth to and therefore by multitude and the whole Church the weak brethren cannot be meant much lesse the sisters and if men would but with deliberation weigh and consider of things as they ought to be pondered and considered of very reason without the warrant of holy Scripture would perswade every rational and wel grounded christian that none could or can be Iudges in any cause but such as have heard the pleading of the whole busines and controversie from the beginning to the ending which none but the apostles presbyters and the Commissioners and such as Sylas and Iudas and Barnabas were did for the Scripture saith verse 6. that the Apostles and Elders came together for to consider of this matter and when there had beene much disputing c. out of which words wee may gather that none but they that managed the disputation and heard the whole debate were or could be Iudges which all the people neither did nor possibly could doe neither may we conceive of the Councell of Ierusalem that they had any raw headed boyes or giddy braind creatures or Minors in it or any such as were ever running out and in for wee may not imagine that that great Councell was like a pigion house where they are continually fluttering out and fluttering in for that Councell consisted of such men onely as were holy grave and approved all Prophets such as Sylas Iudas and Barnabas were such as for gravity and experience were thought fit companions to sit with the Apostles and Elders in consultation so that it is apparently evident that Councell consisted of none but venerable pretious godly and staid men of whom wee can not by the Law of charity thinke that they did the worke of the Lord in that Synod negligently or to the halves or that they did not all sit close and diligently to the worke from the beginning of the Session to the conclusion of the same and therefore that as they met altogether at a set houre or time so that they continued and kept together in consultation and dispute as long as any other sate and till they in their wisedome by their joynt consents and agreements thought fit to sit to the full determination of the whole busines and till the Decrees were made were it fewer or more dayes or weekes and although it be not recorded how long the Councell continued yet wee reade no where in the 15. chapter but that they sate altogether in judgement the Apostles and Elders and Commissioners till they had heard the whole debate and diâ—pute and none but they This truth may be gathered not only from the holy Scripture and from that I have formerly spake but from I. S. his owne words above specified viz that there were neither weake brethren nor the sisters and therefore it is a great wickednesse in I. S. from such uncertainties as hee goes upon to raise and make such conclusions as he doth which tend to no other end but for the taking away all the authority and power from the Apostles themselves which God notwithstanding had invested them with and to put it into the hands of the people which they had nothing to doe with for as his words declare hee accounteth the Apostles and Elders but a Committee onely to prepare the dispute and then to report it that they might have the assistance and concurrence of the people without the which as hee affirmeth there were no great commendation of the resolution that is to say if the people had not assented unto the Decrees they had beene of no effect which if it be not wholly to devest the Apostles of all power and authority and lay it and place it upon the people I leave it to the judgement of the learned then the which there cannot be a greater sacriledge and injustice perpetrated against Ministers and servants of God in the world by any and as this dealing and proceeding of I. S. is most injurious to the Apostles so this his doctrine is contrary to all divine
into the true Religion and forces them by stripes and corporall punishments to imbrace it which is recorded to his immortall praise and for all Christian Magistrates imitation so that he abhorred the toleration of all Rel gions and as David would not suffer a Lyar in his house so good Nehemiah would not suffer any of a contrary Religion to be under his government hee had learned this Lesson from God himselfe Deut. 4. and Deut. 6 and Deut. 11. Deut. 13. c. This renowned Governour and Magistrate was not affraid to constraine them to doe that which was for the glory of God and according to his will and for the good of their owne soules and for the good of the whole Land and the safety and peace of them all and yet I beleeve Nehemiah knew as well what belonged unto tender consciences as any Independents now living and hee understanding that the heart of man was deceitfull above all things and desperately wicked Jer. 17. v. 9. that conscience being but a branch springing from that deceitfull and desperately wicked root knew also that there could be nothing in it but evill that continually and therefore tooke that liberty upon him to constraine their wicked consciences to conforme to the commandements of God and to submit themselves to his most holy Lawes and Statutes and to that way of worship God had injoyned his people which is the duty of all Parents and Magistrates who by Gods command and this example of good Nehemiah's may at any time use the rod of correction and by it make rebellious and stubborne children and people conforme themselves to the commandements of the Lord and to his true worship and this duty they are bound unto by the Law of God if they urge them to nothing but what God hath declared to be his will in his blessed Word And truly it is not to be passed over without serious taking notice of it how zealous this good Nehemiah was against all sinne and false worship and how adverse hee was to a toleration of all religions under his government for hearing them speake but the language of Ashdod hee by and by reviled them and fell about their eares and forthwith constrained them and that by stripes to embrace the true worship of God But if this good Nehemiah were now living here amongst us and should heare not onely the language of Ashdod but the language of hell out of every mouth and see the abominable practises of the Sectaries of our times and should heare their hellish and blasphemous and hereticall doctrines of denying the Trinity and the Deity of Christ and slighting the holy Scriptures and many such desperate doctrines how may wee thinke would his righteous soule be troubled with it and how would hee bestirre him in cudgelling these fellowes into the true Religion and making of them serve God according to his own appointment and not after their own fantasies as they all now doe without all controversie good Nehemiah would baste them to the purpose and all such as should side with them and especially hee would belabour all such well as should write bookes in defence of such and should call them Saints and their damnable blasphemies the infirmities of the Saints I say I am most confident that were good Nehemiah in our times and had hee that authority hee had then in Ierusalem hee would baste them all to some purpose and make and force them by cudgelling of them to be conformable to wholesome words and I am most assured he would pull off Cretensis his blew beard qui ne pilum boni viri habet and knock him soundly about his hairy scalp And St. Quarter-man also he would have some good slaps as he deservs over his great pate all the rest of these hereticall dangerous Sectaries would by him be constrained with beatings to yeeld obedience to the authority of Gods word and hee would make them know themselves and this indeed is the duty and place of all Magistrates and Parents and Masters of Families neither to suffer or tolerate such fellows in their houses nor Countries for this would but bring judgements upon the land much more ought every man to detest all such as should labour to bring in a toleration of all Religions when we see what misery came upon all Israel by Solomons toleration of them there But the Independents say there is no presidents of any corporall punishment layd upon any under the New Testament for matter of Religion that Magistrates should follow but I conceive the example of our Saviour may suffice for their imitation Who Joh. 2. whipped the buyers and sellers out of the Temple for merchandizing there and therefore laid corporall punishments upon them And truly if the Magistrates now should whip all the buyers and sellers of their new and blasphemous doctrines out of their severall new Temples and Churches I am confident it would be very pleasing unto God and Christs example would justifie and hold them out in this their so doing for who can they better imitate then the King of his Church Yea we see corporall punishment threatned against the Church of Pergamos and Thyatira c. and afterwards inflicted upon them by God himself for suffering those false Prophets and Teachers amongst them Yea we see Act. 13. that Bariesus for but labouring to hinder the Proconsull from hearing the Gospell was by Paul strucken with blindnesse for it by God himselfe to teach all Magistrates that those deserve punishment that hinder the preaching of the faith but much more those that corrupt it ought to be punished And we have another example of corporall punishment for when there was no Magistrate to punish those exorcists those sonns of Sceva the Lord suffered the devill which could not enter into a swine without his permission to be his executioner and to lay corporall punishment upon them for abusing his name and his authority All which may teach all men how much God is displeased with all such as corrupt his worship and service and would bring in a toleratiou of all Religions and may serve to instruct all Magistrates in their duty for the punishing of all false and herericall Teachers and Seducers And truly if ever there were a time that called for an establishment of one Religion and a setled Government with Uniformity in a Church and State and a Suppression of all Heresies Sects and Factions from the Magistrates hand and a punishing of all false Teachers now it is when by the sad effects already of divisions and variety of opinions we may well perceive what ruine will come upon the three Kingdomes if there be a toleration of all Religions granted for divisions and factions especially in Religion have been fatall to Kingdomes and Commonwealth in all ages as the holy Scriptures and all Histories relate The consideration of which makes me take the liberty to recite a story I heard of a great Nobleman in Queen Elizabeths
persevere to walk in Now before I conclude I cannot but speak something upon this occasion concerning Phocion whom my brother Burton makes mention of that I may informe the Reader a little of the truth of that story and to shew that he is mistaken concerning that Proverbiall speech but how fitly it belongs unto my brother Burton the sequell of the discourse will declare Now he represents this Phocion to the world as if he had bin such another creatures as Hercules was and that as he had his club by which he did many pretty feals so he speaks of Phocion as if he had had his hatchet likewise But Erasmus a man better skill'd in all Histories and in the Annals of the times then my brother Burton or any of his way who are for the most part strangers and enemies to all good litterature out of Demosthenes setting down the truth of that story describes Phocion to have been some Sectary in Philosophie but yet such a triviall and worthlesse one that Demosthenes speaking of him saith That Phocions Arguments were so far from having any strength or validity in them to perswade any man to imbrace his doctrine and opinion that by the weaknesse of them and the contradicting of himselfe and the fond handling of the controversie he affirmeth that Phocion was his own executioner and the only hatchet of his own Arguments and who opposed yea overthrew his own principles Phocion saith Demosthenes is his own hatchet to destroy and cut in sunder his own Arguments The words of Erasmus relating that story are these In adagiis Erasmi printed Hanoviae M. D. C. XVII fol. 485. Demosthenes saith he Phocionem appellare solet suorum Argumentorum securim Thus Erasmus expresseth him self touching that businesse And this is the true story concerning that matter in Demosthenes who makes Phocion the hatchet and destroyer of his own Arguments Now my brother Burton speaks of Phocion as if indeed he had been armed with such a weapon to incounter his enemies withall which was nothing so But the story may truly be verified in my brother Burton who is indeed like Phocion and is his own executioner and the very hatchet of his own arguments that really divides the head and heart of all his own and of all the Independents doctrine so that I may truly say of him that he hath not onely sorely and desperately wounded his own cause but absolutely murthered and taken away the life of Independency Yea whiles with this hatchet he came out against me to cut in two the long thred as he speaks of my Alcibiadian fluent and luxuriant Rhetorications and to wound me soul and body he hath wounded himselfe and all his brethren under the fifth ribb and that when he seemed in love to take them all by their great white basket-hilted beards to kisse them that which I now say of him I am confident that all those that shall vouchsafe to read the insuing discourse without prejudice and see what I have answered to him and all those of his society will say It is usuall with all the Independents to say of any Presbyterians that write against their wicked practices and novelties although they do it with most singular reason wisdome and moderation and with all evidence of demonstration that by their writing against their wayes they not only wronged themselves and the Presbyterian cause and that very much but that they have been a great occasion of increasing Independents and advancing their party when notwithstanding it is well known to the judicious and learned that they have given the Sectaries a fatall blow by discovering the vanities and errors of their wayes to all men But what the Independents and Sectaries falsly vaunt in this point as they do of their graces and vertues may truly be said of Master Knollys I. S. and my brother Burton that if ever any men have wronged their cause and advanced their adverse party they have done it as I am confident all they will say that shall deliberately read the following discourse for there they shall see how they not only upon all occasions contradict themselves and through their ignorance and temerity overthrow their own principles and are enemies to their own cause but how they like the Midianites destroy one another with their own swords and at that time when they thinke mortally to wound their adversaries and utterly to vanquish them and to obtaine the victory All that I have more in this place to add is this That it concerns all men seriously to look about them and as they will not be deterred by any art of perswasion when either their lands or estates are questioned from searching into their evidences and the last wills and testaments of their fathers Parents and friends that gave them their inheritances so they ought not by any perswasions of men to be disswaded now to search the good will and testament of their heavenly father and all the evidences of holy Writ and to see what all their adversaries can pretend against their right just title to them Let them ever make those living Oracles Act. 7. their Counsellors they will advise them for their present good and shew them the right way to their eternall everlasting Patrimony the kingdome of glory Now that they may be all made more studious and diligent in the scrutiny of those heavenly records when as so many Sectaries and Independents lay false claim to their caelestial inheritance and pretend that the Presbyterians have no just title and claim to the way that leads thereto shall ever be the prayer of him who from his soul wishes that all men may grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus to him be glory both now and for ever 2 Pet. 3. 17. John Bastwick To all the Homothumadon Jndependents assembled and not assembled with all the Sectaries and Straglers under their severall commands and to all the Burtonians Valere sapere Gentlemen A Godly conscientious Christian not long since being in company with one of the chiefest of your society and bewailing unto him the sad condition of the times in regard of the many dangerous opinions and blasphemous heresies that have within these few yeares sprung up since your New Lights appeared on our Horizon to the destroying of the soules of many yea tending to the ruine of Church and State and to the bringing downe of the judgements of God upon the whole nation if not timely prevented he demanded of him what he thought now was the fittest course to be taken for the hindring of the over-spreading of them seeing men generally began to leave the publicke Assemblies and to decline those wayes God hath appointed in his holy Word viz. the preaching of the everlasting Gospel by his faithfull and orthodox Ministers for the saving of their soules and for the right information of their judgements and the rectifying of their manners to whom that Gentleman of your party replyed
that no other meanes ought or could lawfully be used but sweating them with Arguments Whereupon I being very desirous of all mens saving healths but especially of yours in regard of the particular acquaintance I have formerly had with some of you and in regard also I have beene often accused of great ingratitude towards you all though I may truly assert that not any one of you did ever shew me the least courtesie under that notion you now shew your love to any for whiles yee were my familiars yee went on in that way I now walke in and if yee then shewed me any humanity yee ought not now to upbraid me with it for I am not changed but yee I say in consideration of these things and in regard likewise I find by many symptomes the minds of many of you are exceedingly exulcerated and affected with that malady in morality yee make so loathsome in others yee being surcharged with superfluity of choler and malice and not able to containe your selves but breake forth into distemper of words and poure it out in unsavoury language so that yee may well be left to a miserere mei I pray excuse me that I use your owne dialect in all these regards I say but chiefly for your soules good and that all the world may see how gratefull a man I am to you for any former courtesies under whatsoever notion you shewed them mee I being a Phisician and very well acquainted with all your distempers and being very willing also to yeeld my best helpe for the restoring of any of you to your former sanity and soundnesse of mind offer my selfe to be your Phisician in ordinary and to follow the method prescribed by one of your brethren who it seemsknows the best way of curing your severall maladies I shall upon all occasions as I have at this time sweat you with Arguments but chiefly aâ— the times appointed and because it shall not be said I doe it out of a desire of gaine and for lucre sake that I may the better testifie my gratitude to you all I will according to my promise give you my counsell gratis only you must pay my Apothecary for the Phisick who shall use you very reasonably Now I have made good provision of it because some of your way not many weeks since being in Westminster-Hall speaking to a Reverend Presbyterian Minister in a vapouring manner said that the Independents were exceedingly beholding to me and Reverend Mr. Edwards affirming that we bred more Indpendents then any two of the Kingdom besides and this I beleeve to be true not only because I know the honesty of the man but because I find it printed by one of your brethren that Bishop Wren was not more mischievous to the Prelacy then Master Edwards hath beene to the Presbytery and because Master Weld a wonderfull learned man writ unto me not long since wondring who hired me to make so many Independents whose worthy Epistles may happily within these few weeks see the light and in this regard I doe perswade my selfe that those Independents did use such words as these to that Minister in Westminster-Hall The same Minister also related unto me moreover that they said that they understood that I was preparing some physicke for them which they doubted not but would be very operative for the breeding and increasing of Independents and for the strengthning of more and therefore they said they were resolved as soone as ever it was made ready for use they would bestow an hundred pounds upon that and Master Edward's Bookes for to send through the countrey for the breeding of Independents and contented not themselves barely to speake the words but bound themselves by a solemne protestation that they would doe it and therefore that Iâ—might farther make them beholding to me which is also some requitall for all your former courtesies I have provided physick in a very great quantity and challenge your promise for I presume that they were but the mouth of their brethren there being one of your Sagamours in the company at that time a man that cannot deny what was promised Now if you be honest men indeed and men of your word I expect performance according to your promise I will see you shall have reasonable penny worths only I must tell you that I will take order that the physicke be faithfully distributed and sent through the Kingdome into all parts according to your engagement for the breeding of Independents that it be not embezeled I will undertake that it shall carefully be sent to whatsoever places you shall appoint therefore if yee be Saints indeed as yee pretend stand to your word for I have good witnesse of it and doe not you pretend excuses for the declining of the buying of my physick for then I will conclude you are but a company of Bragadochoes neither would I have you as formerly you use to disparage it finding fault with it my method manner of dispensation saying that it is nauseous and that in my rules and directions I am full of tautologies and extravagancies and that it is poore stuffe procuring rather vomiting then sweating and that their tender stomacks and conscences cannot digest such physicke complayning moreover that it is very deare I would not have you now pretend any of these things I say it is not for your honour seeing you have passed your promise to buy it and to send it through the countrey for the breeding of Independents for you should have considered all these things before your engagements which being passed you cannot now with honesty revoke But as for the tautologies and often repetitions you so blame in my method and so much speake of you of all men ought to excuse them you your selves so often using them having little else in all your writings but tautologies and vaine repetitions especially you ought not to blame them in me when those of your partie have occasioned them by your frequent objecting the same things from severall mouths and pens for I had to deale with your whole Armie and with three of your Generals at once who had read without doubt what each other had writ against me and therefore they picking and choosing through my booke what they thought they could best deale with they might have set upon those parts of my Book that the others had said nothing against but they making the same cavils that the others had done they put mee upon severall answers But were it so that they had none of them seene what each other had writ yet they treading in the same steps and answering after their manner to the severall Arguments they opposed I was severally to reply to all their cavils that are materially made to the severall Arguments which I have faithfully done and for my part I thought it no burthen being ever willing yea resolved is often and as frequently as I find poyson laid by any destructive creature to prescribe an