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A93655 The opening of Master Prynnes new book, called A vindication: or, light breaking out from a cloud of differences, or late controversies. Wherein are inferences upon the Vindication, and antiqueres to the queres; and by that, the way a little cleared to a further discovery of truth in a church-order, by a conference or discourse. / By John Saltmarsh, preacher at Brasteed in Kent. Published according to order. Saltmarsh, John, d. 1647. 1645 (1645) Wing S493; Thomason E305_22; ESTC R200328 25,183 50

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not a spiritual difference betwixt Christ not offered and offered betwixt his conversing in the flesh for making up the mystery of Redemption and the mystery of Redemption made up and finished by the eternal Spirit in which he offered himself betwixt Christ in the flesh and in the Spirit or Ordinance Whether did Christ intend his ordinary or occasional conversing to be any rule for his Church or Kingdom in its Administrations or Ordinances which is a work of another form And whether this intermingling of carnal and spiritual notions be a Scripture way Whether ought we to force any consequences or inferences upon the Word for practise in administrations in things neither clearly nor intentionally for ought we see nor mystically directed appointed or instituted by Christ And whether such a ground once granted will not let in one kinde of will-worship as well as another And for that ten to one being converted so as he sayes Quere Whether it is not ten to one any will be a converted but rather hardned Quere 3. Fol. 53. Whether did Christ ever intend that none but true and reall believers should receive his Supper or did he not infallibly know that many unregenerate and impenitent should and would receive it And the Antagonists grant that close Hypocrites have an external right then if these why not others Christ having ordained the Sacrament of the Supper as well as the Word to be a savour of death to such and God hath his end in both the glory of his Justice in the one as well as of his Grace and Mercy in the other Antiquere Whether did not Christ intend that all should receive or communicate in outward admistrations by an external right And if so then what ground is there for the visible impenitent or known scandalous Whether if true saving faith were the one part of the Interest and the external right the other part of it there be any ground left for the other Communicants And whether that the Scriptures rule and purer practise of all Churches in the Gospel excepting when faln or beside the rule and the Scripture Cautions do not wholly exclude such scandalous impenitent persons pleaded for against all other forrain probable possibl rational or Rethoricating consequences and conclusions to the contrary Whether the glory of Gods justice in the judgement upon unworthy receivers be any ground to take in Communicants for condemnation since it is full against other Scriptures that Christ came not into the world to condemn the world and to save mens lives not to destroy them and he would not the death of a sinner And whether though finally condemnation be ordered for all such yet no such thing being formally externally dispensatively ordered any persons ought to be called in for condemnation in such a way Whether this be not quite against the nature of the Gospel dispensation Christ under the Gospel dispensing himself and giving out himself as a Saviour a Redeemer and in all the Gospel declining judgement I come not to judge the world reserving that work till he appear in his own day to condemnation of sinners this being onely his day of reconciliation to them Whether the Apostle in Rom. 3. where he saith But if our righteousnesse commend the righteousnesse of God is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance And not rather as we be standerously reported and some affirm that we say Let us do evil that good may come thereof doth not parallel this For the Apostle here though Gods righteousnesse and justice was set forth by his justice upon sinners yet he did not say as in the Quere is said Let us then do evil that God may be glorified or good may come thereof Quere 4. Fol. 53. Whether all Ordinances proving alike good or bad saving or damning and impenitent persons as well encreasing their damnation by hearing praying fasting c. What reason can be rendered by any rational Christian why such persons should not be admitted to the Sacrament as to any other Ordinance or not suspended equally from all Antiquere Whether any such consequence of admission or suspension from Ordinances ought to be grounded upon damnation or judgement but rather upon words of command and institution and Scripture practise And if any such appeared all these Consequences which the Vindication draws forth wringing blood and not milk from the Word might be saved and he need not go so far about which when all is done brings a soul but at best upon a probable specious or real coloured Argument Whether since the Vindication pulls down clear Scripture Texts and grounds in this controversie to weaken the building of his adversary he ought not in conscience first to have had a clear Word or Institution for the contrary practise and not onely probable and literally conclusive grounds that souls can stand at surest upon but like men upon Ice who are in as fair a possibility to fall as stand And whether having taken away the Scripture Texts for Presbytery it self he can well hold up any upon his grounds And whether is not this sceptial or doubtful way of reasoning upon Scripture neither pulling quite down nor building up a way rather to fill all the rooms with rubbish and at length neither to have new building nor old What man going to build a Tower sitteth not down first and seeth what it will cost him lest having begun and not able to finish all men begin to laugh at him saying c. But whether is not all this ado about Ordinances rather for want of a right and purer constitution of Churches which would save all this controversie about scandalous and impenitent sinners when the Church were not troubled with such where the Ordinances are P. Well I am by this time well perswaded and having heard all this for my part I cannot but see that in settling things suddenly upon the Kingdom and things thus questionable and unwarrantable in the way of Administration and a Kingdom so full of impenitent and scandalous sinners as Parochial Congregations general are there is danger of great sin and great trouble C. I will therefore adde two or three Arguments more and so conclude AN Experimental-Argument FOR PURE Churches and Ordinances THere is a spritual Antipathy betwixt Grace and Nature Flesh and Spirit the Flesh lusting against the Spirit and the Spirit against the Flesh and the more spiritual or more carnal the more these two contrary Natures work and the more powerfully against each other as in Sarah and Hagar Isaac and Ishmael and the lesse or more they can bear with each other As for example While Judas carnal nature or disposition uninflamed by Satan boyled and heightned not into any such grosse act as selling and betraying of Christ the disciples bore with him more and Christ himself as he was man and in a state of Infirmity could more endure him then upon the breaking out of his sin and so in Simon Magus in Ananias and Sapphira and others
converting Ordinance lest otherwise it prove impertinent or ineffectual for if the close Hypocrites be finally impenitent ones God reckons for a greater sin if not yet it is no more impertinent then the Word is to all the children of God who yet never partake truly of it till converted Thirdly That the distinction of his into the first conversion from Paganism to Faith and secondly from a formall Faith to a true sincere Faith in Jesus Christ which is the corner Stone in his building is a distinction and certain degrees which we have not in any such notion in the Word nor if it were doth it appear that the Scriptures place administration upon the bottom of any such distinction though he doth it But suppose I grant it yet a formal profession then as he contends for and many other was not such as is now since Kingdoms were Christianized but a profession then was according to the Rule of evidence till the contrary appeared as in all the first gathered Churches as in Simon Magus Ananias c. And formal profession then was as much as a kinde of powerful profession now for then it was persecution to take up an Ordinance or name of Christ and now it is faction on the Law of the Land as well as the Law of the God to professe Christ neither were the whole Counsels of the Spirit of Christ brought forth then to make up the rule of evidences as afterwards but they were brought forth by degrees till the whole Scriptures of the New Testament were finished And we are now to take the whole Counsels of God concerning Administrations as laid down in the whole New Testament and not by parcels though so much as they did professe in the first time of gathering were rule enough then to them when no more was revealed yet not to us now who have a full Gospel for our learning And this mistake or want of just consideration of times and Scriptures is the ground of all the mistakes Vindication Fol. 41. Why should not the Sacrament do the like since Gods Spirit equally breathes and works in all his Ordinances and may and doth regenerate and beget Grace in mens souls Inference Whence we may infer That it is lawful according to this Principle to beleeve That if one Ordinance convert any other may whether God hath instituted so or no We know the Lord hath appointed and ordered every Ordinance to its nature kinde and use and Gods institution is to be the rule of our believing and reasoning and practising not because such a thing works so therefore any other thing works so as that thing works The Author himself reasons against this in another place and that there is no right inference but in things of the like kinde and under the like precept as thus The Word is able to convert therefore all Preaching and Prophesying is able to convert but not therefore the Sacraments can convert Vindication Fol. 41. The Sacraments are by all Divines whatsoever and the very Directory pag. 52. ever enumerated among the means of Grace and Salvation Why then should they not be the means of converting Inference Whence we may infer That it is warrantable to expound Divines and the Directory contrary to their intent and meaning and to infer conclusions from them to prove things which are not onely very disputable but unwarrantable as far as any Scripture makes appear either in any plain precept or president and especially to turn the Directory being a Publike form made by the Assembly so much against their sense and meaning as appears by divers of their judgements of late is an attempt much like that of expounding a Law or Ordinance of Parliament in a private sense not in their own and this quotation of a Directory in this kinde is enough to make it all questionable and to draw on a necessity of a publike interpretation upon it Vindication Fol. 41 42. That receiving Sacraments is usually accompanied with effectual means as serious examinations solemn searching out of all open and secret sins with confession contrition humiliation prayers of pardon secret purposes and vows sundry pious and soul-ravishing meditations of Gods Mercy exhortations admonitions by the Ministers And why is not the Sacrament a more fit and apt Ordinance to regenerate convert ungodly and scandalous sinners then the bare Word preached Inference Whence we may infer That there are certain preparations and qualifications in men meerly unregenerate which are here lifted up into something more then natural or carnal workings or filthinesse of the flesh as prayers for pardon of sin pious and soul-ravishing meditations with humiliation contrition confession c. Now I would fain know what there is in man before the glorious light of Jesus Christ hath opened his eyes and brought him out of prison out of darknesse into light What kinde of prayers can such make What pious meditations can such have of Gods mercy in Christ What contrition is there in such What humiliation Without faith it is impossible to please God and the carnal minde is enmity against God nor is it subject to the Law of God nor indeed can be and they that are in the flesh cannot please God What is all this then of prayers When as the prayers of the wicked are abominable What are all those flourishes and noise of vows and purposes and contrition and meditations of an unregenerate man when they all are but glorious sins Do men gather Grapes of Thorns or Figgs of Thistles Why should nature be made proud with these expressions And any ground laid for boasting And whereas it is said that the Sacrament is a more apt means to convert then the bare Word preached we may infer some derogating and diminution or lessening implyed here of the Ordinance of the Word or Ministery because it is said Then the bare Word as if so be that the Word were a bare word when it comes in the power of salvation to regenerate when the Spirit quickens it and makes it a Word of truth of grace the power of God unto salvation and we see the word or ministery it self is called The Preaching of faith The ministery of reconciliation The Sacrament is not called so anywhere though no lesse glorious neither And Christ and his Apostles and Disciples went every where preaching the Word but not administring the Sacrament but onely there where the ministery of the Word had first brought them under the power of the Gospel-Order and Rule for Ordinances of a more spiritual institution Vindication fol. 42. That because we behold Christs death and passion more visibly represented to our eyes and hearts in the Sacrament and remission of sins more sensibly applied to us then in any other Ordinances therefore it is certainly the most powerful Ordinance of all others to regenerate and convert with many Scriptures to prove conversion by representation Inference We may infer That because the Lord hath instituted his signe of bread and wine