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A96210 Refractoria disputatio: or, The thwarting conference, in a discourse between [brace] Thraso, one of the late Kings colonels. Neutralis, a sojourner in the city. Prelaticus, a chaplain to the late King. Patriotus, a well-willer to the Parliament. All of them differently affected, and disputing on the subjects inserted after the epistle, on the dissolution of the late Parliament, and other changes of state. T. L. W. 1654 (1654) Wing W136; Thomason E1502_1; ESTC R208654 71,936 174

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Refractoria Disputatio OR The Thwarting Conference IN A DISCOVRSE BETWEEN Thraso One of the late Kings Colonels Neutralis A sojourner in the City Prelaticus A Chaplain to the late King Patriotus A well-willer to the Parliament All of them differently affected and disputing on the subjects inserted after the Epistle on the dissolution of the late PARLIAMENT and other changes of STATE Porv. 12. 15. The way of a fool is right in his own eyes but he that hearkneth unto counsel is wise The wise man foreseeth the evil to come and preventeth it Eccles LONDON Printed by Robert White and are to be sold by Thomas Brewster at the three Bibles in Pauls Church-yard 1654. To the intelligent Reader whether Royalist Malignant or howsoever affected Gentlemen IT is a facete observation of * Mou●tague in his Essays a Person of honour that a diligent Reader may apprehend more then the Author himself ever meant or intended If then it shall be either thy fortune or neglect in reading this Thwarting Conserence to understand less then is intended for the general instruction that 's the Readers fault none of the Authors If so much as is presented for the rectification of particular mens judgements doubtful of their own principles and unsettled in their minds here is that which if they be afore-hand not infatuated will compose their distractions out of the whole the Reader may recollect his memory in some particulars of State as haply are either forgotten or unknown unto him and so he may take a review of things past as they were caried on in their various and mystical traverses of Court and thence to foresee what may be the event of the late miraculous change of Government If on thy first view of the Title thou findest any itching desire to know the scope and whereat the Discourse ayms as all novelties provoke appetite take this in the way of an advertisment that here are vetera vera novaque intermixta old true and new passages cursorily presented in an interlocutory Conference then look over to the next page and haply the Contents may set a new edge on thy desires then read all or none and not unlikely thou mayst go very neer henceforth to know how to order thy self to the best advantage under the present powers and therewith judge of the universal destiny of the Nation should it revert into Monarchy and on casting up of thy accompt take these following Animadversions into thy more serious consideration first with what labor travel care and vexation of spirit the two late Kings even from the very Ingress to their Crowns to the period of their days prepared the way to their own ruines by pursuing their ambitious designs of heightning their Soveraignties above and beyond the bounds and limits thereof whereas with much honour love loyalty content and profit to themselves peace pleasure security and tranquillity to their Subjects they might have spent those their vexatious days in the full fruition of all worldly happiness But intoxicated with those restless desires of greatness and of ambition to climb above the right end and orb of Government and inflamed with those over-high heats of strengthning themselves with that frail support of the arm of flesh verified in that their long continued and chargable negotiations to contract Alliances and intermarriages with Spain and France Families of contrary and Idolatrous Religions aspirations which were never yet prosperous to Princes professing as they pretended the purity of Religion without intetmixtures what Apologies and Defences have been made either by themselves living or by others surviving and exposed to the world in vindication of their actions and too too manifest errors are no other then the superfluity and fineness of mens wits byassed without judgement to discern between truth and falshood the infallible testimonies of humane frailty and the Devils juglings onely to deceive the common belief whereas truth is still the same and will one day clearly appear and discover those dark traces and ambages of the greatest Masters of Art and Policy though for a time they may be inveloped and hidden from the sight of the Vulgar and happily predominate on the credulity of too many that think themselves wise above the ordinary sort yet at length they must be unmask't and layd open to the Worlds view for magna est veritas c. and it cannot be resisted 'T is most true they were Princes of great parts and endowments though now in another World whether we must all follow to render an accompt of our Stewardships howsoever without prejudice to their memories both for our own and the instruction of posterity we may take into observation what they were living and what instruments they made use of for carying on their ambitious Designs to their own dishonour the blemish of their fames the disturbance of their domestick peace the publick tranquillity and of that secure settlement which the old King found here in a most perfect establishment on the decease of that unparalleld Princess Elizabeth and as to the late most unfortunate King to the destruction of three flourishing Kingdoms himself his Posterity the Royalty and the ruine of many of the Nobility Gentry and Commons of England Scotland and Ireland In the next Scene we may take a short view of that remarkable fate which befel the Authors Promoters Incendiaries and principal Workmasters both Ecclesiastical and Civil both before and throughout the whole managery of the late prodigious War and work of darkness to their own ruine as a just reward to such as in assistance and advance of a lawless and unlimited Soveraignty most unnaturally and treacheously steered in the Regal course of attaining and well-nigh to the accomplishing of more absolute power over the three Nations then ever was attempted on the Theator of this Kingdom whence we may learn and set up our rests on these infallible Aphorismes that Consilium malum consultoribus pessimū evil counsel is most inauspicious to the Councellours themselves and on that other which by lamentable experience we have found most true Quicquid delirant Reges plectuntur Achivi whatsoever Kings project the poor innocent people must suffer for all and for their faults Gentlemen to come a little neerer unto you and more openly to explain my self you have in the following Discourse not onely a part of the old case between King and Parliament cursorily disputed but what the issue in all probability will be in case the Scotch King cometh in by the sword with the fearful consequences thereof both in relation to your selves and the universal people ye may by the way remember what work the late King made in all parts of the Land wheresoever his Armies and Garrisons were how many Counties he made the constant seats of a furious and bloody War how long he continued to embrew the land with innocent blood even to desolation in how many places the poor Inhabitants had neither bread left them to eat nor
was a known Tyrant an Usurper and a murtherer of his own Brothers children an Enemy to the Clergy and the greatest depopulator of the Kingdom that ever before it had and yet the States and Nobility forget all his Tyrannies misdeeds and after his poysoning at Swinsteed admitted of his innocent young Son after call'd by the name of Henry the third and soon quitted the Land of Lewis the Dolphin of France whom before they had call'd in to their assistance and to whom most of the great Lords had sworn fealty In like manner the Parliament after the deposiog of Edward the second for his Tyranny made choyce of his young Son Edward the third who proved a very galland Prince likewise on the Parliaments deposing of Richard of Burdeaux for his misgovernment the State made choyse of his cousin-german Henry of Bulling-brook who though not the next in blood and consequently an Usurper as to the right of Succession yet was he made King by consent of the Parliament and he approved himself a very wise and politick Prince whence it appears that the Parliaments and Nobility of those times had ever an eye on the next Successor or to such a one of the blood-Royal as in their judgements they conceived to be most capable and fit to undertake the kingly Government as it may be instanced in their Election of Steven Earl of Bulloyn in the absence of Maude the Empress next in blood and since that of Henry of Richmon after the killing of that Tyrant Richard of Glocester on these premises I beseech you a little extend your patience and tell me what you conceive to have been the reasons that the late Parliament not only took away the Kings life by a new president and under colour of a legal hearing to the great regret of the major part of the Nation but have rerejected the young Prince of mature years hopeful and able to govern together with the Duke of York and Glocester with all the discendents of King James and have changed the Royal Government into a Common-wealth have sold all the Lands Honours Mannors and Revenues anciently by right belonging to the Crown as the proper Inheritance of the Kings of England Now Sir By what Law of God man or reason of State they have attempted on so strange an enterprise passes my understanding especially the exclusion of the poor innocent Princes goes directly against my conscience yet if you please I shall willing hear what you can say for my better satisfaction Patri Doctor your questions necessarily will require a long search into the reasons wherefore the Parliament enterprized on so high a concernment yet in brief I shall tell you what hath been told me and by some of the late Members on the same Queres you have propounded First they say that on consideration of the Kings seldom calling and often dissolving of such Parliaments as he summoned without their due effects and that for ten years together he refused to summon any but ruled during so long an intermission at will and pleasure whereby the common interest and liberties of the people were so much invaded and so many grievances and oppressions crept both into the Church and State that when this late Parliament was through the extremity of his wants call'd the Assembly was to seek where to begin to rectifie and repair the decays of the Commonwealth which through his own misgovernment the prodigaltie and dissoluteness of the Court and Clergy had befallen the universal Nation which although he wholly then left to their rectification yet immediately thereupon he not onely went from his word and falsified his promise but by the continuance of innumerable practises and his uttermost endevors he sought nothing more then to obstruct their Reformation ruine the Parliament and put all the Kingdom into consusion by a most bloody and destructive war which the Assembly perceiving and that his intent in pursuing his designs full six years together and so long as he was able aimed at the utter overthrow of the Laws and envassaladge of the people and that he had entailed this quarrel on his Son and his Heirs-males in perpetuum how impossible then it was for the Parliament to settle a firm peace throughout the three Kingdoms by re-admitting the King full fraught though a prisoner with his wonted Principles and designs or to take in any of his Posterity afore-hand indoctrinated in their Fathers frauds and subtilties might amaze the wisest of men even Salomon himself to finde out any other way how to free the Nation from pe●petual Tyranny and bloodshed but by cutting off both the Father and Son which were so deeply interessed in the controversie and to make the same use of their victories for the future security and indemnity of the people as the King himself intended to do in the behalf of himself and his Successor had the fortune of a Conquest befallen him thus much in general as to the grounds of the Parliaments resolution of cutting off the King and his Posterity as to the particular reasons I pray take them in their order 1. They alledge that they had no choyce left them whereby to save the Nation from utter ruine but were by the Law of necessity inforc't upon them by the King himself and of his own seeking both to cut off him and exclude his Post●rity 2. That having had so long patience and taken such infinite pains during all the wars after he had lost all and was a Prisoner to satisfie him from time to time in what possibly they could in all things questionable between them and on all his exceptions to reason the case all along with him in their several Answers and Replies to his Papers Expresses and Protestations attested before God and his Holy Angels pretending still how really he meant when by long and sad experience they found all his pretences fraudulent yet could they never satisfie him with any Arguments either of Law or Reason but that his own Reason his Will his Honour his Conscience must be the onely Directory to the Parliament theirs of no esteem with him 3. That notwithstanding their many Addresses and humble Petitions presented unto him after his causless recess from the Parliament for his return with honor and profit with this onely reservation to leave Delinquents to the judgement of his Supream Court they prevailed not but he defended them and was the skreen to most notorious Offendors professing still a willingness to peace and Treaties onely to get advantages when he most intended War and Conquest 4. That such was the obstinacy of his natural inclination which himself miscalls constancy from which they found it was impossible to disswade him or yeeld to any reason never so well measured by them but that they must yeeld to his though never so unreasonably prest by himself 5. That in this wilsull pursuance to obtain his most unjust ends he incorrigibly persisted to the last without the least reluctation