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A16690 Detection of Ed. Glouers hereticall confection lately contriued and proffered to the Church of England, vnder the name of A present preseruatiue. VVherein with the laying open of his impudent slander against our whole ministrie, the reader shal find a new built nest of old hatcht heresies discouered, (and by the grace of God) ouerthrowne: togither with an admonistion to the followers of Glouer and Browne. By Steph. Bredwell, student in phisicke. Seene and allowed. Bredwell, Stephen. 1586 (1586) STC 3598; ESTC S114175 80,218 141

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of their hearers then from them selues in their own behalfe If anie yet further aske while I haue done it This is my answere if some other els had done it I hope I should haue receiued it with thankes giuing Fare ye well most louing cosen and according to your wonted kindnesse receiue this simple token of my good will The Lord blesse preserue you and youres vnto his heauenlie kingdome London the XX. of the IX Moneth Your kinsman most louing and assured in Christ Stephan Bredwell ¶ THE FIRST PART against his wicked slaunder IN your woordes E. G. to the reader I vnderstand the disease you propounde to cure and in the rest following the causes of the same the disease is the euil life or to vse your owne words the sorie life of manie which seeme Zealous professours The causes are poyson and the giuers of that poyson The poyson is A persuasion that albeit men bee Vsurers Extortioners Drunken Leacherous c as that no sparckles of vertue or grace appeare in them yet if they at anie time condemne this euill in them-selues approue the contrarie godlines belieue that their sinnes are pardoned in Christ loue these their teachers and be beneficiall vnto them and desire to heare their delectable Sermons they maie though they cease not from their former sinnes assure them-selues for all that to bee the deare children of God sanctified by Christs spirit and so elect and praedestinate to saluation as that they cannot possiblie bee damned what sinne soeuer they commit The sicknes I acknowledge 〈◊〉 too gréeuous and this poyson I confesse is as infectious as that of the Cockatrice Who bée these mercilesse murderers that dare infect the f●●de of Christes flocke with this mortall poyson You say priuie libertines carnall gospellers A colde answere in s● hote and necessarie sute an vnprosperous cure followeth such sleight discouering of causes But whie doe you not name them vnto vs whie are you so darke in so daungerous a matter If they bee worthelie suspected as accessaries that vpon an inquirie of murder which they sawe direct the pursuers with doubtful and ambiguous notes to take the murderers then must I charge you with as great a guiltines that seeing so many soules poysoned daily with this pestilent doctrine and knowing as you seeme the dooers thereof could finde in your heart to passe them vnnamed But let vs see whom your darke description well wayed pointe●h vs vnto Through the pollicie of Satan you saie this poyson is profered by such men as make a great sh●we of godlines and yet denay as you heare the power thereof and that with most goodlie and godlie wordes of righteousnes regeneration repent●unce sanctification mortification and what not to seduce the simple soule By this though men of your spirit like enough perceiue your meaning yet what is this to those that knowe you not and are vnacquainted with your phrases You giue slender addresse hereby to the simpler sort that I saie litle of the offence you laie before them to stumble on whilest your description giueth no speciall difference but hath al the notes pointing out the best sort of preachers If you aske mee whether those be the best preachers that make a great shewe of godlines and yet denaie the powre thereof I answere if you had left this note so to the libertie of mens iudgments and not restrained them with as you heare to applie the same to your onelie accusation and thereby to iudge I would not neither coulde I haue occompted this note in anie wise appliable to a godlie preacher But now séeing the note to stand in these wordes This poyson is profered by men that make a great show of godlines and the other wordes And y●● denaie as you heare the power thereof to be but an enfors●● conceipt of your owne peruerse vnderstanding wee haue good cause to crie out of you that haue giuen vs no other notes to know the poisoners by then such as maie agrée especiallie in the iudgement of the vnexercised with the truest teachers of the gospell Againe in that sentence and by that clause is daungerouslie ins●nuated vnto the simple that euen the preachers of godliest outward shew and God onelie iudgeth the heart him-selfe with the most graue and godlie tearmes of regeneration sanctification such others doo nothing els but vnder hand and priuilie as you spake sowe those venimous séedes of poisonous doctrine aboue mentioned which as it shall appeare Christ willing to be as false as the Deuill him-selfe so layeth it open a wide gappe vnto all Atheisme on the one side and on the other side armeth the Dartes of the persecuting papists as it were with wilde fire against vs. Their father the Deuill who is a lier from the beginning hath of late yeares erected them a newe Forge in the Shop of the blasphemous Jesuites how heauie a iudgement is comne vpon you that of a christian are become a minister of matter vnto that broode to coyne new reproches and reuilings against the christians and saintes of God But saie you in sadnes E. G. that this abhominable doctrine by you mentioned is openlie taughte by men of great godlines in outward appearaunce Naie doo you saie that it is taught generally or for the most part in the Church of England speake plainelie man and be not cawtelous like the old serpent If here you woulde shrinke the want of such exceptiōs in your writing your quarelling at such pointes of doctrine as they all dooe holde with swéete consent the generall accusation of the liues of the gospellers together with your wilfull departure from our Church are as a walle behinde you so as you cannot hide your heade And if you stande forth and abide by it then I aske you where is your euidence where be your proofes and witnesses Haue you no déede of theirs to shew against them Nor none to depose with you and yet would you bée belieued of your bare worde You I saie a priuate man accusinge the Church of God in a whole kingdome What saide I in a kingdome Naie throughout Christendome for in preaching the redemption by Christ they haue all troden one common path with our ministers as app●ereth both by their confessions commentaries and printed sermons If this sinne be not in time repented E. G. thinke not otherwise but in that great daie before the iudgement seate of the Lambe you shall pleade guiltie holding vp your hand with Satan th'accuser of Gods children But you saie If they shall blame me because I bring not their meaning in their owne woordes let them shew their meaning to be otherwise then I haue set it downe or els all that feare God and loue goodnes must needes abhorre them c. Naie rather it was your part putting on the person of an accuser to haue built herein vpon so sure a groūd of profe as that either you would haue brought forth their owne wordes or writinges saying so much expr●s●ie
know he practiseth some proofes to the contrarie afterwarde but as one miserably ignoraunt of the difference of the two couenants 5. He accounteth discipline the ground-worke of the church in which doing you know he putteth it in y ● place of Christ himself whereby therefore it is become an Idoll vnto him 6. So far he procéedeth in seducing that he saith the wife ought to go away from her husband if he wil not go with her in y ● case of want of this discipline and which maketh his fault y ● worse he pretendeth ground for this in the 1. Cor. 7. 13 Which place giueth libertie onely against an vnbeléeuing partie which will not be persuaded to embrace the Gospell of Christ nor in anie wise to depart from Idolatrous worship Now what is this to enforce her going frō him only vpon want or bondage of the outward discipline where they dwell But of this mans absurdities hitherto his time commeth shortly to be better knowne I heare besides that there is one amōg you who whispereth alreadie in corners that we must not belieue in the holie Ghost Is this to encrease beloued and to abound more more in al iudgement according as the Apostle exhorteth vs Or is it not rather to go backward and to loose euen that you had attained vnto Now to the last point concerning your peace I mean not here the outward peace but I offer again to your view the peace of your conscience euē the inward rest and repose of your soules with God in respect of this strange course you haue lately vndertaken Whereof because you are best priuie in your selues I refer it also most vnto your selues Only of those things that in this respect haue bin apparant to all mens eies I wil briefremember you This is easily granted of al that know God what course of life soeuer hath the approbation of Gods chearful countenance shining into the conscience of the practiser thereof it is such as being founded on the sure word of God is the more constantly held on and continued vnto the ende For the spirit within the word without ioyning to the testifying teaching of anie trueth vnto vs bring vs to such peace and comfort with the Lord in the practise of it as maketh vs more and more assured therof and so the firmelier to perseuere therein euen vnto the end Contrariwise that course or demeanour of life that hath any other foundation then this as it shall neuer be confirmed by that inward approbation so is it excéedingly subiect to continuall changes reuoltings If we shall therefore coniecture of your inward peace by the stedfastnes of your outward deporting and carying your selues in this your separat course I suppose we cannot deeme that y ● peace of God hath possessed your minds this while This as you know your great leader hath writ and not hitherto recanted that lodgick is an vnlawfull Art for Christians being forbidden by the scriptures so that hée calleth it a Heathenish fopperie and exhorteth to leaue and beware of it as though the end of it led vnto death Mean time himself vseth it as wel as he can in al his booke Of the life maners of true Christians And in his answere to M. Cartwrightes letter yea and of late admitted reasoning by Sillegismes in his own order put downe in writing before for the forme of the cōference Let him not here bleare your eies with this foolish saluing of the sore That where hee hath practised logicke himselfe anie way there he hath done it but to foile vs with our own weapons and as forced therevnto by our subtilties It dooth but declare his diuinitie to be pitifull for whatsoeuer is indéed vnlawfull and simply forbidden by the word of God y e same by no circumstance time nor occasion can be made tollerable while that word endureth Secondly whereas he once prouoked you all to flée out of England if you loued as he said your saluation and safetie and would not be guiltie of tempting God Of later time again by priuater writings and his owne practise hée hath counselled a resorting to our Sermons How many of you haue been distracted thereby I leaue it vnto your consciences whilest some perhaps receiued it othersome thought straunge and refused to giue eare vnto that counsell Looke also vpon his late subscribing by your selues Lastly that I excéede not my purpose in length be think your selues what glew he may haue to set these two togither No part of church discipline can be wanting but the church dooth straightway goe to ruine therby for he saith it is the life of the church And againe There may bee a true church of God without the presbyterie Now therefore beloued in Christ Jesu sith your going out with this man hath had so hard euēt in many of you as to bring you to the vnrecouerable rocks of E. G. and leadeth euē the better sort whom Gods iudgement hath not as yet hunted foorth so far to a manifest decaie of true iudgement and vnderstanding ioyning therunto the fearful companion of vncertaintie and restlesse course of life forsake whilest yet there is time such accursed leading and returne to vs your brethren againe who whilest you hold firme the foundation with vs will neuer shrinke you And of this it standeth you in hand the rather to haue care as your contrarie dealing hitherto hath so apparantly damnified the iust cause of Christian discipline Men of anie iudgement and exercise in the scriptures may easily perceiue and doo report with what spirit Browne hath cride for discipline The greater number being of little iudgement condemne all for him O deep reach of Sathan the father of subuerting subtilties But hereof I meane not to make this my place of complaint Thus much therfore vnto those of whom there remaineth hope The rest I haue nothing to say vnto but this there will be a day wherein the Lord will make it manifest he neuer sent you require the blood of his saints which you haue caused to be spilt at your hands again and that most iustly PSAL. 8. 2. Out of the mouth of babes sucklings hast thou ordeined strength because of thine enemies that thou mightest still the enemie and auenger Praise and thanks bee vnto the Lord our God for euermore Faultes escaped Page 53. Line 30. for while read whie Page 93. Line 29. read abideth for Page 103. Line 3. for worke read word LONDON Printed by Iohn Wolfe 1586. 1. Cor. 9. 24. Hebr. 12. 1. Psalme 1. Zeph. ● Deut. 1● 1. Cor 11. 1● Math. 24. ●4 verse 25. Mat. 24. 12. Mat. 10. 24. Gen. 21. 9. Mat. 10. 25. Heb. 12. 6. 7. ● Ioh. 16. 20. verse 21. Rom. 8. 17. verse 18. Apoc. 2. 10. Mat. ●● 4● verse ●● verse 43. Mat. 16. 24. Mat. 10. 37. 38. 2. Pet. 3. ● ● Gal. 5. 17. Prou. 14. 25. Prou. 15. 21. Verse 14. Rom.