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A40899 The Lord Cravens case stated; and the impostor dethron'd by way of reply to Captain George Bishop, a grand Quaker in Bristoll. Wherein is briefly hinted, the rottenness of the Quakers conversion, and perfection, in general, exemplified in this busie bishop; in special instanced in his practises against the estate of the Lord Craven, life of Mr. Love. By occasion whereof, this truth is asserted, viz. if we may judge of the conscience, honesty, and perfection of Quakers in general, by this man in particular, a man may be as vile a person, as any under heaven, and yet a perfect Quaker. Farmer, Ralph.; Bishop, George, d. 1668. aut 1660 (1660) Wing F442; ESTC R218269 94,789 137

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ore two serve nequam out of thine own mouth from thine own words shalt thou bee judged Look back and minde thine own expressions in thine own book pages 7 and 8 where you charge mee with forgery in one word and which yet was not forgery but a mistake and that not in mee neither and yet see your outcries and loud exclamations You may here see say you of what a false and mischievous spirit this Priest is and what a devillish wickedness it is to forge in such a word as for it were it trul● so would take away his Foxes life What credit is to bee given to what such a one saith And again Is not bee that can do this past blushing Is there any wickednesse so great that such a one may not bee well conceived to bee ready to act Is such a one a Minister of the Gospel Words need not further to expresse such an act which in its very face is so manifestly wicked and abominable a wickednesse not found in the Roll of those evils which the Apostle mentions should make the last daies perillous I 'le say no more I need not Read the words and remember your own actions and apply But let mee ask you were these all whose blood you thirsted after Did you not write a letter to a friend of yours in Bristol from White-Hall that until Calamy and some other of the Priests were dealt withal as Love was it would never bee well I hope I shall one day get that book of yours which you writ against him mentioned before viz. A short Plea for the Commonwealth Those who have seen it tell mee it most fully sets forth the fierceness and bitterness of your spirit not only against him but that you shew your rancour and malice therein against many of the servants of Christ whose names are yet precious in the Churches and the memory of whom will live when your name shall rot and perish or if it bee mentioned or remembred it shall bee with abhorrence and detestation as infamous as poor Faulceners is I cannot but remind that passage of yours in your Throne page 34. where because I said the Magistrates had their spots and failings you say they are no Magistrates of God but men of sin and the born of the devil If spots and failings do in your judgement render them thus Oh! what are you mind that Rom. 4. beg Therefore thou art inexcuseable O man whosoever thou art Jew or Gentile Ranter or Quaker that judgest for wherein thou judgest another thou condemnest thy self for thou that judgest dost the same things nay infinitely worse But wee are sure the Judgement of God is according to truth against them which commit such things and thinkest thou this O man that judgest them who do such things and doest the same that thou shalt escape the Judgement of God But Reader in this poor wretch you see what a dreadful thing and what a heavy judgement it is for a man to bee given up of God what wickedness so abominable that hee will not then commit So Rom. 1. ver 24. to the end And see also how the Lord doth punish hatred and contempt of his Ministry and servants and Apostasie from the truth with hardnesse of heart and blindnesse of mind giving them over to believe lyes 2 Thes 2.10 11 12. What a sottish piece is this poor man become to turn Quaker But 't is most true Shipwrack of faith and of a good conscience are seldome severed 1 Tim. 1.19 But yet Countryman come there is hope in Israel concerning this thing there is still balm in Gilead the blood of Jesus Christ shed at Jerusalem though above sixteen hundred years ago is as efficacious as prevalent as ever Come man leave quaking don't trample upon and despise the price of thy Redemption I see thou art in the gall of bitternesse and bond of iniquity but come repent of thy wickednesse and pray to God perhaps the thoughts of thy heart and the wickedness of thy hands and the blasphemies of thy pen and tongue may bee forgiven thee Don't despise the riches of Gods goodness and forbearance and long-suffering towards thee know that the goodnesse of God in this patience of his in not cutting thee off is to lead thee to repentance Consider friend there is a day coming wherein the Lord will bring to light the hidden things of darkness and will make manifest all secret plots contrivances and under-hand counsels Repent whiles 't is called to day lest thy heart bee more and more hardened through the deceitfulness of sin treasure not up wrath by impenitence and hardness of heart one true repentant tear will avail more now than millions of yellings and howlings then our Jesus is able to save perfectly and to the uttermost all those who come unto the Father through him meet him whom thou slightest and make him thy friend And for a close know and consider that if you go on in sin wilfully and impenitently after you have received the knowledge of the truth and that you despise the blood of Christ there remains no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking for of judgement and of fierce indignation which shall devoure the adversaries And now from henceforth let none of these Quakers trouble mee I have done with this generation but if they will bee troubling let them know I will not bee troubled And as for any further answers replies contendings or debatings with them or him being well assured that my ground work on which my discourse and discovery is founded will stand firm I declare this as my Coronis my farewel to Quakerisme As for their doctrines or opinions in this or any other of their Pamphlets I think them not worth the reading much less the answering by any serious Christian especially that hath publick imployments indeed not of any one that hath ought else to do but to make a long voyage to Tarshish to fetch only Apes and Peacocks I conclude therefore with holy Augustine Tales judices velim c. I desire such Judges of my writings that will not alwayes require an answer when they shall finde what I have written to bee spoken against those things which being matter of fact have clear testimonies and being matters of doctrine have clear arguments and authorities It were a prejudice and disparagement to either to agitate whem alwayes upon the cavils of ignorant or contentious persons therefore I end FINIS Books lately written by William Prynne Esq a Bencher of Lincolnes-Inne and sold by Edward Thomas in Green-Arbour IUs Patronatus Or the Right of Patrons to present Vicars to Parish Churches c. The first and second part of a seasonable legal and historical vindication of the Fundamental Rights and Laws of England The second Edition in Quarto A Declaration and Protestation against Excize in general and Hopps a native incertain commodity in particular A PIECE WORTHY PERUSAL A Polemical Desertation of the Inchoation and Determination of the Lords Day Sabbath An old Parliamentary Prognostication for the Members there in Consultation The Quakers unmasked and clearly detected to bee the Spawn of Romish Froggs c. A new Discovery of Free-State Tyranny The first Part of a Short Demurrer to the Jewes long discontinued Remitter into England The second Part of the Short Demurrer c. A Legal Resolution of two important Queries concerning Ministers giving of the Sacrament to their Parishioners A new Discovery of Romish Emissaries Also all the former works of Mr. William Prynne both before during and since his Imprisonments are sold by Edward Thomas in Green-Arbour Pendennis and all other standing Garrisons dismantled More Books printed and sold by Edward Thomas in Green-Arbour REynolds Of Gods Revenge against Murther Folio Festivous Notes on Don Quixot Folio Phioravants Three Pieces in Quarto A Rich Closet of Physical Secrets in Quarto Bakers Arithmetick in Octavo Crumbs of Comfort in twenty fours Private Devotions by D. Valentine in twenty fours Lillies Grammar in English by R. Rabinson The School of Complements in Twelves A Little Handful of Cordial Comforts by Rich. Standfast Master of Arts the third Edition in Twelves Railing Rebuked or A Defence of the Ministers of the Nation against the Quakers by William Thomas Minister of the Gospel at Ubley in Quarto A Vindication of the Scripture and Ministery by William Thomas Minister of Ubley in Quarto Practical Husbandry Improved by G. Platts in Quarto c. Satan Inthroned in his Chair of Pestilence wherein the whole business of Ja. Nayler his coming into Bristol and his Examination is related by Ralph Farmer Minister of the Gospel in Quarto Also the Life of James Nayler with his Parents Birth Education actions and Blasphemies is exactly set forth by William Deacon in Quarto Hypocrisie Unmasked or the Definition and Characters of the Natural Moral Civil Praying Hypocrite and how they differ from the sincere Christian by Mr. Samuel Crook late Rector of Wrington in Sommersetshire The true Christ falsly applyed discovered 1. How far his person 2. The expectation of receiving Christ in the Spirit 3. The operation of Christ received 4. The Predestination And 5. His Merits and Free-grace are not truly apprchended from whence some conclude to cast off all Ordinances pretend and expect to Prophesie and work Miracles all which with twenty more false Applications of the true Christ are discovered by W. Kaye Minister at Stokesley
hee did not directly charge mee But let any man read what I have therein written and say wherein have I abused him And thus much I say as to that as I hope the Major General and others in power did not by their lenity intend to countenance such practises before So now seeing what their lenity may produce they will not bee so easie to bee intreated for the future which was that and all I aimed at and the like envious dealing hath hee in the matter of Colonel Scroop and there hee charges mee with flattering him So that let mee speak how I will I must it seems bee concluded an offender But hee alledges I had spoken against him why what of this Because I deal plainly with a man when I finde hee doth ill may I not therefore commend him when hee doth well Is not this an argument of ingenuity I hope hee will pardon mee this offence And truly had I not apprehended him really to have disclaimed these Quakers as I then believed hee did I should not have made that honourable mention of him And I confesse had hee been still here in power over us I might well have been thought in so doing to have flatter'd him but it is well known when hee was here I did it not and lesse reason to do it now in that he is absent But I must here observe what George sayes concerning him which very much tends to the justifying of my Narrative concerning the rise growth and setling of the Quakers among us by the over-topping and over-bearing of our Magistrates and making them Cyphers by a forraign power so that they could not reform things though they had a will to it for page 106. George sayes hee Col. Scroop was so far from denying the Quakers to speak publikely that hee said to Dennis Hollister by name that if the Magistrates did put them in prison one day hee would put them out the next which no doubt Dennis acquainted them with for their incouragement which very likely made them so bold and daring and to out-face as they did the Magistrates and not to care for their commands to depart the City How will revenge and malice blinde a man to tell all which hee had better forborn As for the remainder ejusdem farinae which follows it is a further discovery of the same spirit which I shall passe over intending as the Lord shall give time and opportunity to give a full and distinct answer to the particular of Thomas Evens for as for Morgan Lloyd whose doctrine he sayes I had reproached and concerning which hee sayes hee sent mee a sober note to reason with mee publikely in my Steeple-house as he● calls it which I refused To that I say it 's not so I did not reproach his doctrine for I knew not what it was nor heard it that I took offence at and justly was that any man should intrude and thrust himself yea force himself into my Pulpit upon a day and at a time which was not assigned for Publike Lecture whereas himself and Erbury had not long before made a kinde o● a publike contest to the disturbance and unsetling of the people in another Congregation Erbury at that time being sufficiently known to bee tainted with unsound opinions and Lloyd himself much disliked And truly to speak my minde in this matter if Morgan Lloyds note had been or were to that purpose I suppose that Minister that in these brawling and heretical times shall entertain motions for publike contests with such as run up and down and make it their businesse to wrangle and conten● in things doubtful and uncertain shall not provide for hi● own peace nor the peoples establishment in the truth by giving them entertainment If the doctrines wee teach were unsound or our selves not able to discharge our duty it would bee a favour for some to come and help us when orderly and peaceably sent or called but otherwise for men of unquiet and rambling spirits to impos● themselves upon us is neither Christian nor civil And conceive those who are careful to preserve the people from infection do not well to encourage much lesse to invite them Nor are the people competent Judges in doubtful matters and are as I said before much swayed by the impudence and confidence of a bold and daring Opponent I have now but two or three things more to speak to and so I shall come to deal by way of charge upon my Adversary wherein I shall have so much matter as that I must of necessity avoid all debates and altercations with him in matter of doctrine and this upon a double account First because their doctrines judgement and way of arguing are sufficiently known and answered already and I am not willing to draw the same Saw of contention everlastingly not caring for the last word in the quarrel And secondly lest by taking up too much time in those things of which the reader may be else-where better satisfied as in Mr. Thomas of Vblegs most sober and Christian answer Mr. Baxter Mr. Ford and others I bee prevented of what I principally intended which is to discover the hypocrisie and unsoundnesse of a Quakers conversion and to exemplifie it in this man in particular which you see I have in part performed by discovering his railing lying and malicious dealing in which trade hee still continues and therefore page 47. hee charges mee that I would have joyned my self as a member of Hollisters Congregation but finding by discourse with him that there was no place for my imperious proud and pragmatical Mastership over them they heard no more of mee in that particular till the state of things were changed and then I became an adversary to separated Churches and to that in Bristol especially this is the full of the charge This story I assure my self hee had from Dennis But how doth hee know that Dennis sayes truth To this I oppose this true relation when Thomas Evens came first to this City I desiring to know him fully had a purpose to invite him to my house to dinner and understanding that hee would bee at the house of Robert Purnil in an evening went thither where I met him and most I think of that Congregation at an exercise of Religion where I continued Mr. Evens being the man that then exercised wherein something being delivered unsound and erronious I forbore for divers reasons to speak to it till most of the company were dismissed when conceiving it convenient I told him of that erronious doctrine which hee had delivered and spake fully to it to which Mr. Evens making neither answer nor excuse Mr. Purnil for now I am not speaking to or of Quakers and therefore let me use our ordinary and civil language with many good words approved of what I said and spake something in excuse of Mr. Evens Whereupon Moon being present with much affection used these words Why should not Master Farmer bee one of our