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A68103 Ladensium autokatakrisis, the Canterburians self-conviction Or an evident demonstration of the avowed Arminianisme, poperie, and tyrannie of that faction, by their owne confessions. With a post-script to the personate Iesuite Lysimachus Nicanor, a prime Canterburian. Baillie, Robert, 1599-1662. 1640 (1640) STC 1206; ESTC S100522 193,793 182

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the caring of them about in linnen cloathes and kissing which Vigilantius did object if he did it truely we would rather bear with it and excuse it is as proceeding from popular and privat divotion which will many times overshut it self then commend it Next that those bones or that dust of the deceased Saints ought justly to be put in a casse of silk or of gold that they may be well hung about our necke and oft kissed that they may be layed up amongst our most pretious jewels (r) Montag antid page 17. Ossa sanctorum cineres reliquias vase aureo velamine precioso convolvebant Ego certe cum Constantino illas reliquias fasciis involuam auro includam circumgestendas admovebo labiis ac collo suspensa manibus oculisque crebo usupatas intuebor vel in apothecas condam recludam inter preciofissima cermelia censendas 3. That in those reliques there is oft found so much grace holin●sse ●●rtue that all who touches them are sanctified by that touch (s) Montag antid page 16. Magnus Basilius ait 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Martyris ossa quicunque tetigerit ob gratiam illi corpori infidentem fit quadam tenus particeps sanctificationis 4. That to these relicts a great honour yea a relative worship is due albeit not a latria or divine adoration (t) Montag antid page 16. Agnoscimus ecclesiam veterem sanctorū reliquiis cineribus magnum honorem detulisse veneratione quadam relativa coluisse Fiftly That pilgramages to the places where those relicts stand are very expedient that protestants doe reprove only these pilgramages towards the Church of the Saints which are made for greed or superstition that papists do disallow all such as well as wee (w) Montag antid page 44. Neque peregrinationem religiosam ad loca ut appellant sancta quisquam improbaverit qui in rebus ecclesia Christiana veteris non est hospes improbat Molinaeus meritio peregrinationes ut appellant malas inventas vel ad superstitionem vel ad questum vel ad tyrannidam quas ipsas nemo sanus inter catholicos Romanos non improbaverit 6. That all the contraversie which here remaines betwixt papists and protestants is about just nothing even about goates woll and the shadow of ane Asse (x) Montag orig page 45. ut de lana caprina vel 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 hic rixare videantur contendentes They come very neer to the invocation of Saints About the invocation of Saints whereof the learned of the papists are so ashamed that they disavow their owne practise thereof (y) Andrews structurae page 57. The Cardinall freely confessed to M. Causabon that he had never prayed to a Saint in all his life save only when he happened to follw the procession and that then he sung ora pro nobis with the Clerks butelse not yet our men tell us first that the Saints in heaven are truely our meditators with God of intercession as Christ is of redemption (z) Montag antid page 20. Non anuerim sanctos esse orationis intercessionis ut loqu● soletis mediatores sed universum universos precibus suis apud Deum interveniun● orationibus mediantur Cbristus solus absque aliis est mediator redemptionis quoad meritum passionis sua 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 intercessionis mediator Again that wee ought carefully to keep the Saints festivalls to this end that we may be partakers of their intercession (a) Andrews strictura page 8. We agree with S. Augustine we celebrat the memories and hold the feasts of the blessed Martyrs as well for imitation as that wee may be partakers of their intercession Schelfords first sermon page ●4 Upon the Saints dayes the Saints in heaven joine with us now if the Saints in heaven after their manner aide us with their prayers shall we be so base minded as not to pray with them Ibid. page 27. In observing Saints dajes and in dedicating remples to God in their name these who neglect this holy followship have a great losse which none can see but they who have spirituall eyes 3. That albeit for common their intercession be universall yet that sundry times they descend to particulars They remember the estates of their friends and acquaintance as they left it at their death they are informed of many new particulars by the Angels which hath been upon earth and by the Saints which after their death hath newly come to the heaven and that accordig to their particular informations they frame their intercession (a) Andrews answer to Cardinall Pirron 20 chap. Wee wil hope well that Theodosius might interceed with God for his children wee see no cause to the contrary Montag antid page 22. Meminerunt amicorum suorum rerum ase quondam in terris gestarum quoeirca ad Christum in coelo recollecti poterint devia ordinaria per Iesum Christum apud Deum patrem amicos familiares 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 precibus commendare adiuvare 4. If wee were certaine that the Saints in heaven knew our estate it were no fault at all but verie expedient to make our prayers to them that they might interceed with Christ for us And though wee bee not certaine of their knowledge yet all the fault that is in our prayers to them is only some idlenesse and curiositie but no impietie at all (b) Montag antid page 229. Save all other labour in this point Prove only their knowledge of any thing ordinarly I promise you streight I wil say holy S. Mary pray for me Ib antid page 23. Tu mihi proba demonstra posse me certum esse de scientia sanctorum particulari quocunque tandum modo ac quisita ego certe quod ad me ipsum attinet sanctos defunctos beatam puta virginem sanctissimos Apostolos gloriosissimos Martyres non verebor adire interpellare alloqui supplicibus precibus deprecari habeant me commedatum adiutum suis intercessionibus apud Deum patrem per filium Idem antid page 200. Perhaps there is no such great impietie in saying holy S. Laurence pray for me 5. That none ought to reprove our prayers unto our Angell keeper (c) Montag invocation of Saints page 99. If thus my self resolved to do infer holy Angel keeper pray for me I see no reason to be taxed with point of Popery or superstition much lesse of absurdity or impiety Ibidem author page 203. The case of Angels not guardians as being continually attendant alwayes at hand though invisible and therefore though we may say S. angel keeper pray for me it followeth not wee may say S. Gabriel pray for me The Saint in heaven which the papists doe most idolize is our blessed Virgine to whome it is well knowne they give much more false worshipe then true to the whole Trinitie Concerning her the Canterburians affirme first that she is created in another way