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A85315	Stablishing against shaking: or, A discovery of the Prince of Darknesse (scarcely) transformed into an angel of light, powerfully now working in the deluded people called, Quakers: with a sober answer to their railings against ministers for receiving maintenance from their people. Being the substance of one sermon preached Feb. 17. 1655. at Shalford in Essex. / By Giles Firmin (pastour of the church there) upon occasion of the Quakers troubling those parts.	Firmin, Giles, 1614-1697.	1656 (1656)	Wing F967; Thomason E885_13; ESTC R202074	45,528	65

be Mercurius one of their gods Well he answers am I so rude but examine me in my knowledge consider me in all things that are requisite to an Apostle and so if I have not manifested my self in all things to be a true one The same we say to these Quakers and all others if by their knowledge and all things else requisite to Ministers or Apostles if there be any more to come for they tell us they are sent out with an Apostolicall spirit they can manifest themselves to us to be Ministers or Apostles we will listen to them but by all we can finde in their Books they scarce appear to be rationall men 2. The second Objection was the humility of his person ver 7. he abased himself wrought with hands taught the Gospel freely To this he answers you need not object this against me for my humiliation was but your exaltation for I spared you but how then maintained by other Churches ver 8 9. the Churches of Macedonia supplied my wants But as for you I have not been burdensome to you neither will I be ver 9. to the end In the Regions of Achaia none shall stop me of this boasting which he confirms with a kinde of an oath as Calvin Piscator Weinrichius and others judge of the words As the truth of Christ is in me ver 10. as I am a true Minister of Christ or let me not be esteemed to have any truth To be sure this is more than Yea yea and Nay Which the Quakers make so much use of But why will you take no maintenance of us it is because you doe not love us ver 11. So my enemies may suggest to you I love the Macedonians but not you But this is not so God knowes he appeals to God this is more than Yea yea again True here is a weighty case why Paul useth these expressions But why then will you not c I will give you the reason in v. 12. because first I would cut off occasion that is should I take maintenance of all Churches my enemies your false teachers would tell you that all my preaching is but for money profit but now they cannot say so for I take nothing of you Again your false teachers they glory that they teach freely they require nothing of you no more doe I nor will I in the regions of Achaia Now you have the Reasons Before I goe any further I have here as fit a place as I could desire I did not think of it when I chose my Text but I see Providence hath fitted a place for me to take up that great clamour which with one mouth all the Quakers make against the Ministery I must name them all if any for all their Books are full of it and with the Quakers the Separatists we are no true Ministers but why we teach not the Gospel freely as did the Apostles we preach for hire divine for money we are covetous and much of this strain divers of their pages have little else but this kinde of stuffe Thus the silly Women told me in the Church I was a Hireling c. To all these I answer 1. False teachers may and have preached freely then be sure free teaching could not prove us to be true Ministers Yet the Quakers teach not freely for at one Towne by me I hear that one of these Quakers had about five pounds gathered for him besides his entertainment This is plain from the Apostle here in ver 12. for the false teachers did glory in this and therefore Paul he would teach freely to Corinth and be even with them in glorying Thus Parnell who tells us he is sent from Christ if any man could believe him but the youth thinks others have as few brains as himselfe he teacheth freely and well he may but this doth not prove him to be a true Teacher nor none of his Sect or any other Sect whatever but he is a false teacher though a free teacher as were these but Teacher is a word he deserves not 2. It is false that All the Apostles taught freely and wrought to maintain themselves This is plain 1 Cor. 9.6 in which Chap. the Apostle proves by no lesse than seven Arguments that the Ministers may take maintenance ver 14. speaks as fully as can be being the winding up of his arguments Even so hath the Lord ordained c. Here is an Ordinance from heaven for the maintenance of right Gospel-Preachers if the authority of the LORD who made it be as good as the authority of the Quakers and Separatists and by vertue of this Ordinance we claim our maintenance How learnedly the Quakers talke of these arguments you shall hear anon But to come to the 6 ver Or I onely and Barnabas have not we power to forbear working The word Onely plainly carryes it that the other Apostles who were married and were trained up to fishing divers of them those did forbear but what have all the Apostles thus power to leave of take maintenance but I onely and Barnabas c No no we have the same power as well as they But ver 15. I have used none of these things c. Again in the 12 ver If others be partakers of this power over you c. Their own Officers it seems or others did take maintenance So could he 3. It is false also that Paul took no maintenance for in the 8 9 ver of my Chap he saith He took wages of others to serve them i. e. the Church of Philippi Paul could take his liberty where he saw cause If Paul than we 4. We desire none to speak for us more than Paul whom these Quakers object against us For we have his own example he did take wages Secondly he as moved and guided by Gods Spirit doth not onely show it is the minde of God but he proves it also by divers reasons 1 Cor. 9. Adde to this 6 Gal. 6. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth or catechizeth as the word properly signifies in all good things Will the Quakers allow this Text to be Scripture then let Him be he or she what they will high or low It s possible the Quakers will object against the she but I will let them alone to see if they will doe it master or servant is he or she taught catechized then communicate in All what All this word will not be liked yea all good things fit to be communicated or communicable So 1 Tim. 5.17 one part of the honour Ministers must have is maintenance the 18 ver proves it marke it is honorarium the maintenance of the Elders is not as the pay I give for a servants worke but it is honour an honourable maintenance The same Apostle saith 2 Tim. 2 4. So 1 Tim 4.15 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Be in these things No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affaires

striving after perfection in degrees such perfection we own i. e. uprightnesse but for the Quakers perfection let them keep it Paul found a body of death Rom. 7. and saith he was not perfect Phil. 3.12 Where sinne hath no dominion that man is perfect i.e. Evangelically Psal 19.13 the word is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 I shall be perfect or complete upright yet such an one may have sinnes ver 12. so not perfect legally Who knowes his errours not David but the Quakers Minor But the Quakers light teach people to say they have no sin they are perfect not in our sense This their books are so full of that it were tedious to transcribe Mason spends the seven first pages of his book about this quoting some texts for it where perfection is mentioned which we owne in a sound sense then railing upon the Priests and damning them to hell because they crosse them Mason p. 3. makes great use of Ephes 4.12 c. perfecting of the Saints c. thus he argues if the Saints could not be perfect in this life were not these Apostles and Pastors put upon a needlesse imployment Can the Priests of the nation prove that Saints are tossed in heaven Were Englands blinde watch-men commissionated from Christ they would not prate thus against perfection But if Mason had well understood the Originall word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 here rendered perfecting he might have known that the word is translated by others For the gathering together of Saints by others the Coagmentation joyning gluing together of Saints to Christ by faith to the body by love not noting the perfection of the growth but such a perfection as when a body hath all its members He addes presently for the Edifying of the body of Christ What need of Edifying when there is compleat perfection so that till this Mysticall body have all its Members the Ministery must last When a body hath all its Members none wanting broken or out of joynt yet then those Members must grow If he will fetch his strength from the 13. v. a perfect man c. and that perfect man to be meant of every singular believer to what I have said before about perfection I adde we acknowledge there are thousands through mercy of perfect men in England as perfect is opposed to children tossed to and fro in ver 14. saints who stand so unmovable and firme that all the windes of Quakers and other Hereticks doctrines cannot shake them here upon earth But by the former words Till we all come or meet c. he seems to speak of the whole mysticall body which shall be a perfect man when they meet All in the unity c. and of the knowledge of the Son of God But I doe not believe any man hath that perfect knowledge of him in this life which they shall have There are abundance of these true members who dye before they are perfect in inherent holinesse I am sure or else you must cut off most of the members nay all which your friend Castelio in this point dare not doe but hath so much charity to say that such shall be saved but there are no Pastours in heaven to perfect them then the Pastours worke is not needlesse though the members come not to the perfect growth in this life Nay the need of Pastours argue imperfection for when perfection is come there will be no need of these what need of Nurses Tutors School-masters c. when perfection is attained More may be said but I forbear Another Text the Quakers use is Phil 3.15 But what say they to the 12 ver Paul saith he was not perfect Here appears a contradiction But Perfect men may be considered two waies 1. Either with reference to the perfect rule so no man is inherently and legally perfect Or 2. Comparatively with other men thus some are but young scholars they understand not the fulnesse of the righteousnesse of Christ c. but are troubled about Circumcision v. 3. and other Jewish matters others are more growne in the knowledge of Christ and his grace more solid in judgement who are perfect in comparison of others and this perfection he means as the next verse and the observation of the Chapter proves thus some little children young men Fathers 1 Joh. 2.13 Some think he calls the false Teachers the perfect men 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Zanch in loc speaking ironically and nipping them for their boasting Musculus upon this Text tells us of a debate he had with a Franciscan who with great impudencie boasted he was perfect but saith of him he did so rage that he seemed perfect in fury and madnesse the same is evident in these Quakers when crossed for fierce countenances fury raging railing I have not read nor seen the like of such as talke of perfection By what I have said you may answer all they alledge for perfection Thus also Priests ignorance p. 4. Parnel fr fast p. 24. But stay Parnel are you perfect too have you no sinne doe you so dwell in the righteousnesse of Christ I omit thy abominable pride which thou manifestest in thy Books with other sinnes easily to be proved I onely turn thee to 1 Pet. 2.23 When Christ was reviled he reviled not againe Doe you show this Spirit of Christ Let any reade your Reply as you call it to Dr. Draton where you have cut off Goliahs head then judge as you have printed your adversary yet any one shall see what he speaks is with reason scripture and sobriety but what is your return to a man of his quality and yeers Impudent lyar blinde sot blasphemer lyar hypocrite deceiver the book is stuffed with this language Come to the Civil power and see how your infallible spirit carry you there Fru fast p. 10. in your reply to your Mittimus as you call it thus you speak to the four Justices naming them In the Mittimus you finde severall lyes slanders c. I shall reply to the same and return the venome upon your venomous spirits c. This is the perfect man without sinne such also is Naylor and Mason I will give you leave to brag of your perfection but reade Jude 8.9 2 Pet. 2.10 Concluson I doe conclude both from your doctrine and your practice that your light is from Satan Argum 10 Major That light which teacheth people to revile and throw filth upon the true Ministers and true Churches of Christ that is the light of Satan not of Christ Minor But thus doe the Quakers light teach people c. For the Major none will question that 1 Tim. 5.17 There is double honour allowed the labourers in word and doctrine For the Churches they bear such an honourable relation to Christ that sure Christ will not thus teach people to revile them 2 Cor. 11.2 Minor But the light of the Quakers teach people to revile and throw filth on the true Ministers and Churches of

you see the Priests ignorance and the Quakers knowledge laid together So let any one that hath reason reade Naylor his Answer to Io Reyners Queries Parnel against Dr. Draton and then see if it be not a wofull judgment of God to let a Nation be over-run and people catched with such witlesse brainlesse fellowes besides their grosse abominable principles that destroy Scriptures Ordinances Churches civil States c. Conclusion Since then the Light which the Quakers boast come from the infallible Spirit in them is thus irrationall brutish c. I conclude their Light is from Satan not from Christ Argum 12 Major That Light which affirmeth sound believers walking evangelically in obedience to Gods commandements to be in a state of condemnation that Light is from Satan not from Christ Minor But so doe the Light of the Quakers Ergo. The Major is plain 3 Ioh. 36.18.16 16 Mar. 16. If faith and holinesse shall go to hell what shall goe to heaven Minor They doe not say this in so many words but by consequence for the persons who are such and they cannot disprove it they affirm to be in that condition But the Quakers Light affirmeth sound believers and persons who walk in obedience c. to be in a state of condemnation For we are assured there are hundreds of sound believers in Christ in England that fear to sinne walke with the Lord and that more close than the Quakers who doe detest and abominate the Quakers doctrines principles and practises but the Quakers say of those who come not amongst them that they shall be damned perish c. This is their common language about us Thus J. Toldervy Ep. 17.18 told his Master Col. Web. Thus Mason p. 8. speaking to the Ministers whom he calls Merchants of Babylon bid us read our doom in Revel 18.7.8 yet among these I am sure are very sound believers and very holy men if they may be tried by the word which shall try them yea and you Mason and all your Quakers notwithstanding your boastings of the infallible Spirit Thus I. N. p. 17. F. Harris makes this Querie Whether it be safe for Christians to forsake and let goe those Gospel-dispensations of the Spirit of Truth in which God hath blessedly appeared c The summe of his answer is this that all those who deny the light of Christ and the infallible spirit in their sense this must be taken else we do say some truth is in this have nothing but the spirit of delusions but then adds without the infallible spirit there is no promise nor word but what is stolen from others or out of a booke and had thou had no booke thou had no voice nor promise Here is brave stuffe the promises then in the Bible are little worth if I. N. can finde any promises out of this book let him take them for me Thus Parnel and Naylor call the Ministers Magicians Let the Quakers tell us what is faith according as the Lord Christ declares it in his Word not their infallible Spirit without the Word tell us what it is to walk holily as the holy men in Scripture have done and see if there be not many hundreds that answer that faith and holinesse And let me desire the Quakers but to tell me of one man in the Word of God that was holy who embraced the Quakers doctrines principles and practises Conclusion Since then the Quakers light condemne such as the light of Christ approves of hence I conclude their light is from Satan c. Jam. 3.1 Be not many Masters knowing we shall receive the greater condemnation Who so masterly as the Quakers Mat. 7. ver 1. Argum 13 As for their shaking in that strange manner which some report of them and their books defend it is manifest enough to every one whom the God of this world hath not blinded whence it comes and prove their doctrine to have the same Authour it is a thing so known amongst them that J. Toldervy saith p. 28. He had long waited for it then had it to purpose My whole man was so shaken torn and rent that had I not by a great strength been enabled I could not have continued also it did worke in me as though I had taken a strong purge pag. 29. yet I. N. against F. Harris p. 18. abuseth the holy examples of Daniel Moses and David to defend these Diabolical actings nothing like those holy men neither in the causes nor effects Let the Reader observe the History at the end of the book I shall conclude all with transcribing a few lines out of him where he relateth what one of these Quakers who was of his former acquaintance pag. 7. spake to him with Answer to one of Parnels Queries He gave me to understand that they were sent forth to preach the Gospel by the same Christ the Apostles were and that the person that Son of God which died at Jerusalem was not the Redeemer of man from sinne Oh fearful but the redeemer was in every particular man that light by which he was given to see sinne and enabled by it if obeyed to be redeemed from sinne which Christ had redeemed them perfect and now lived in them Lord of all things by which they were made the sons of God and so what was manifested to them by that substance from that substance were they moved to speake which was the same holy Ghost by which the Apostles were endued sent forth and enabled to preach so he declared how sometimes in the night they were immediately commanded by the eternall spirit to goe forth and preach c. Here is enough said to make us all quake I intend not to open the wretchednesse that lieth in these words onely this is worth the observation that whereas some have cast off all Officers and Churches because we are out of order say they and therefore they wait for Apostolical men to be sent from God I know not how to bring us into order here you have them I hope your expectation is answered by a fearful judgement of God But let us hear what is Parnels opinion though propounded by way of querie Whether any now ought to preach in the name of Jesus but who are called to it and fitted for it the same way as the holy men of God were spoken of in Scripture What holy men he meaneth the next Querie to this will interpret Whether doe you owne immediate revelation now yea or nay q 8.9 The question would be what he means by immediate revelation but by comparing their spirits we may know his meaning Bishop p. 24. proving that we are not the Ministers of Christ brings in this for one proof Gal. 1.12 the Ministers of Christ received not the Gospel by man nor the will of man nor were they taught it but by the revelation of Jesus Christ in them We may see what Parnel aimes at but in this sense no we own no such revelations 1. For