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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A62427	The Quakers quibbles in three parts : first set forth in an expostulatory epistle to Will. Pfnn [i.e. Penn] concerning the late meeting held to Barbycan between the Baptists and the Quakers, also the pretended prophet Lod. Muggleton and the Quakers compared : the second part, in reply to a quibbling answer to G. Whiteheads, entituled The Quakers plainness ... : the third part, being a continuation of their quibbles ... / by the same indifferent pen.	Thompson, Thomas.; Hedworth, Henry.; Penn, William, 1644-1718.	1675 (1675)	Wing T1013; ESTC R41153	141,349	262

they come to you and desire it you would procure such of the Quakers Books as they shall make question of if you can find or have them and shew them at your shop for their better satisfaction that so they may believe their OWN EYES at least And that you send one of this second Part to Mr. Whitehead and another to Mr. Penn. So farewell Thy friend though unknown T.T. Jan. 1. 74 5. THE THIRD PART OF THE QUAKERS QUIBBLES BEING A Continuation of their Quibbles Equivocations Riddles Contradictions Rounds and Confusions set forth in ten several Particulars Whereunto is Added Remarks on G. W ' s. Slight Sheet given forth by him as a Reprehension for want of an Answer to the Second Part of the QVAKERS QVIBBLES With some further Account of their Grand Mystery of DIRECTING the INTENTION By the same Indifferent Pen. If ye Build again the things which ye Destroyed ye make your selves Transgress●rs Gal 2.18 Diruit Aedificat Mutat Quadrata Rotundis Erroris Mater fuit Aequivocatio semper LONDON Printed for F. Smith at the Elephant and Castle in Cornhil near the Royal Exchange 1675. TO THE Free Spirited Impartial READER AS it is left us upon Record in Holy Writ that GOD at sundry times and in divers manners hath spoken unto his Prophets and People for the Salvation of Men so we are thereby likewise assured that SATHAN at sundry times and in divers Forms hath spoken to and deceived many Souls by pretending great Light great Knowledge high things in words and semblance Imitating as near as might be the works and ways of GOD but still without that true Divine Power which enabled those immediate Men of God VISIBLY to out-do all the deceiving Pretences and Ape-like Imitations of the Devil's Instruments in the sight of all Men present as Moses's Serpent swallowed up all the Egyptian Sorcerers Serpents and Paul being filled with the Holy Ghost was able to over-come and strike Elymas the Sorcerer with outward Blindness Now this was IN DEED and not in TALK only to be in the Power and filled with the Holy Ghost and the Text says Then the Deputy when he saw what was done believed And no sooner had our Glorious Lord JESVS CHRIST Visibly Ascended to Heaven without us and fulfilled his great Promise of sending his Holy Spirit upon his Apostles and Disciples which was in a visible manner enduing them with Power not onely the Name but the Thing to speak with Tongues to Prophecy indeed and to work visible Miracles for the Confirmation of that Word and Doctrine they Preach'd to the World Heb. 2.4 and this is in Scripture-Language true Spirit Baptism or the Bapti●● of the Spirit and this is it which was for Persons to be Baptized indeed with the Holy Spirit as it is expresly called Acts 1.5 and of Fire There appeared unto them Cloven Tongues like as of Fire and it sat upon each of them and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost But Sathan that Old Serpent not willing to be long idle did quickly raise up even in those true Apostles days many Pretenders false Prophets and false Apostles some of the first whereof Ancient Records tell us were called Nicolaitans and Gnosticks who pretended high and strange Light Knowledge and Illumination beyond others And it is Observable of all the Forms into which Sathan Transformed himself it seems none is nor was more taking than what he used in the true Apostles days viz. Transforming himself into an Angel of LIGHT and therefore no marvel if such as are false Apostles are found Transforming themselves into the Apostles of Christ Nor is it any great thing as the true Apostle Intimates to us if such as are indeed Sathans Ministers also be Transformed as the Ministers of Righteousness If the wicked one could play such pranks and be so bold then how much more may we expect and suspect it now and it is no strange thing if some of his Ministers and Instruments now be Transformed into Angels or Messengers of Light Pretend the Light Talk of the Light Preach up the Light Own the Light Witness the Light and Cry out the Light the Light And whereas a certain sort of People lately sprung up among us did pretend to high Illuminations and talkt much of the Light they walkt in above others and of the Power immediate Calling and Gifts of the Spirit that they had as in the Apostles time And as they pretended to higher things than others so I did set my self more especially and seriously to hear consider weigh and try them their Doctrines and Principles for about these Twenty Years But alas in lieu of finding any such thing amongst them as the same Light Power and immediate Commission and Gifts of the Spirit that the Apostles and Apostolical Churches had and which they then did pretend to blame others for want of I could see nor hear nothing among them but the meer Words and bare Pretences and taking up some such things by Imitation as they fan●ied in themselves and as they found the Apostles wrote or the Scriptures spoke of as many others do whom yet they did once Condemn for that very thing yea and in●tead thereof I have Observed the greatest Inconstancy Vncertainty Turn and Change amongst them that I think ever was to be found among any People that pretended to so refined Sublime a Religion in the space of Twenty Years and yet all this while to talk of or pretend to INFALLIBILITY which hath Occasioned them to defend themselves from those who have taken more notice of their Inconstancy Vncertainty and Changes than they were willing should be to use the greatest Quibbling and grossest Equivocations that have been used in Religious matters ever since the Jesuites new modell'd the Art the better to hide it and themselves Some of their most Considerable Quibbles in their Doctrine touching that Grand Principle of our true Lord and Saviour JESVS CHRIST I had Occasion given me by them to set forth more particularly in my Second Treatise beginning at p. 29. But my intended Brevity not permitting and not knowing but that these Persons might learn to be somewhat more humble meek moderate and civil when they should rightly reflect on it and themselves then prevented me of proceeding any further therein Yet since I understand it is very much desired by others and the Quakers as much to want it they being as Confidently outragious as before for in the midst of all their Inconstancies in their Practice and Doctrines I find them chiefly constant in these two things in their Practice viz. their egregious Confidence and their Railing Reviling Language to others and in that it may be truly said of them Can the Ethiophian change his skin or the Leopard his spots wherefore here is set forth more of their Quibbles in several particulars and that in some most weighty and important Points as those of the Church the Annointing the Holy Spirit and the Holy Scriptures and

does Surely it will be a strange piece of Confidence for you to Claim Credence from People if you cannot produce something Considerable beyond such as your selves own to be a GRAND IMPOSTOR and a DECEIVER Our Saviour the True Christ said If I bear witness of my Self my witness is not true But I have greater Witness than that of John c. The same Works that I do bear witness of Me that the Father hath sent Me. If I do not the Works of my Father believe me not If I had not done among them the Works which none other Man did they had not had Sin Ye Men of Israel hear these words Jesus of Nazareth a Man approved of God among you by Miracles and Wonders and Signs which God did by him in the midst of you as ye your selves also know Let all the House of Israel know assuredly That God hath made that Same Jesus whom ye have Crucified both Lord and Christ How shall we escape if we neglect so great Salvation which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him God also bearing them Witness both with Signs and Wonders and with divers Miracles and Gifts of the Holy Ghost according to his own Will Sir Dost thou think thy self more worthy of Credit than Jesus Christ Or that your Ministers ought to be believed on easier terms than Christ and his Ministers were you bringing to us New Doctrines and New Revelations Some of which yet are not such New Discoveries from Heaven manifest by the Light within as pretended being in truth but the old Fancies of Sabellius manifested by him without reviv'd and new vamp't not heard of till long after Christ and then quickly exploded the Church about 1400 years ago as any one that can read may see in the Ecclesiastical Histories It may be thou mayst inquire what I am that writes thus plainly to thee thou mayst answer thy self I am a Man because I Speak or Write and heard thee Discourse the Language of Men and so consequently thou must Judg me One that hath the Light within me If thou wouldst know what I am not I 'le assure thee I am neither Baptist nor Quaker nor ever was though I have had a love for both and have still for many amongst you whom I hope are innocent as to these Mysteriou● Subtilties and Quibbles of your Leaders But such Ridiculous doings as in th' aforesaid Meeting does rather lessen than increase it If thou desirest to know why I Expostulate with thee unknown I answer 'T is because I was one of thy abused Auditors thou spending so much time to so little purpose to the hazard of Mens Lives and because I think thou hast need of a Faithful Monitor If I am mistaken therein do not blame my Charity nor yet my plain dealing with thee in this Epistle If thou demandest why I print it 'T is because I would have others see it that they might receive benefit by it as well as thee Remembring what Solomon says Open Rebuke is better than secret Love And because I would have thee answer it in Print that so Others may judg as well as I whether thou wilt deal any fairer more soberly in plainness and simplicity and Godly sincerity with me than thou hast done with others If I have mistaken thee or any of thy Friends I assure thee it is not willingly and if thou shewest me honestly wherein without Railing and ill Language I 'le beg thy excuse and thank thee for it I not pretending to Infallibility my Opinion being still so long as we are Men in this condition Humanum est errare notwithstanding what Spiritual-Pride Self-Conceit or Melancholy Fancies may suggest to distempered Brains or weak Heads whose Affections may be stronger than their Reasons FINIS Mr. Smith I Have thought fit to write this to thee to let thee know That if thou art willing to Print this Epistle thou mayest if not return it by this Bearer But if thou dost Print it I desire thee to take care before thou publish any of them to send one to Mr. Pen or to his Lodging which I presume thou knowest or may easily know for I do not know where it is I am though unknown Thy Friend Thomas Tompson THE SECOND PART OF THE QUAKERS QUIBBLES Set forth In a Reply to a Quibbling pretended Answer of G. Whiteheads Intituled the Quakers Plainness c. WHEREIN Many more of their Quibbles and Equivocations are manifested Also the Comparison betwixt the pretended Prophet Muggleton and the Quakers Justified to be True Rational and necessary Whereunto is added an Advertisement to Mr. W. Penn George Whitehead and the Quakers TOUCHING Their Jesuitical shifts Evasions and unparallel'd CONFIDENCE Their grand Mystery of directing the intention with their Pope-like Power to Sanctify and unsanctify words By the same indifferent Penn. Job 21.34 How then comfort ye me in vain seeing in your answers there remaineth falshood LONDON Printed for F. Smith at the Elephant and Castle in Cornhil near the Royal-Exchange 1675. THE CONTENTS THE Epistle to the Vnprejudiced Reader demonstrating how G.W. hath with his own hands destroyed his own Cause and pluckt up by the Roots the grand Principles of the Quakers Religion The Introduction being some Remarks on G. W's Preface and his Treatise in general SECT I. Wherein the Author clears himself of self-contradiction and charges G.W. with several Self-contradictions or Inconsistences new Quibbles SECT II. Setting forth the Quakers Quibbles Equivocations and Confusions about JESUS CHRIST his Manhood his humane Nature his Person his Body and his Flesh SECT III. Demonstrating the Quakers Quibbles about and Ignorance of the True SPIRITS Evidence and Demonstration who deny the Gift of Tongues and Signs c. As also of the Quakers Miracles and Pope JOAN SECT IV. Justifying the Comparison betwixt Muggleton and the Quakers to be both true rational honest and necessary SECT V. Touching Sabellius and the Agreement of the Quakers Doctrine with his touching the three Persons notwithstanding their Quibbling An ADVERTISEMENT to George Whitehead W. Penn and the Quakers Touching I. Their JESUITICAL Shifts and Evasions in answering their Opponents Books II. Their unparallel'd Confidence in their Vindications of their grand Prophet G. Fox's Falsities and Nonsence III. Their grand Mystery of DIRECTING the INTENTION in matter of Blasphemy IV. Their POPE-like Power to Sanctify and unsanctify words at their Pleasure The Quakers Character of the Quakers Quibbles George Whitehead in his Quakers-Plainness P. 14. Speaking of certain true Gifts of the Spirit which were Spiritual-Gifts and Evidence indeed says thus And what if God will not bestow such Gifts and signs NOW must we therefore be no Christians P. 71. Speaking of the Titles that the Quakers use to give to and write on some of their Books says thus Such Titles therefore have been not STRICTLY but FIGURATIVELY placed upon some Books Quis non

him as that he would be ashamed of it when I consider his Learning but that his undertaking to vindicate G.F. for notorious falshoods and nonsence evident to mens Eyes and Senses and against his own senses and ocular demonstration makes me much to doubt it see Contr. ended p. 39. being sorry to see that so ingenuous a Man as W.P. once was should Sacrifice his own Senses Reason Honour and Reputation to keep up the Credit of such a Man as G. F. who hath written in many things so ridiculously that it's impossible for any Man to vindicate him without making himself more ridiculous and by his Tautologies and incoherency a sober Man would take him to be Craz'd witness his Professors Catechism Testimony of the True Light and his Primmer for the Scholars and Doctors of Europe And which is yet more G. I have this to add That I do not think Tho● nor all the Quakers in England can bring Express Scripture for that which is your First and Grand Principle of all wh●ch you talk of so much above all viz. The Light of Christ within every Man or Christ the Light within every Man Now to speak in G.F. and J. Stubb's words I charge you Qu●kers Let us see where the Scripture speaks thus in these ●xpress words Let us see where it is written come do not Shuffle for we are resolved that the Scriptures shall buffet you Quakers about and that you shall be whipped about with the Rule Give us plain Scripture for it without shuffling adding or diminishing I charge you QUAKERS to give us Printed Scriptures for all these foregoing words and let us see in what Chapter and Verse they are Printed and if they do that I think I may promise them to turn Quaker presently But besides this their Hypocrisie herein is more gross For to what end except to deceive should they pretend that they cannot own this or that in the● Creed if it be not expressed in plain Scripture whe● they have so often and so plainly avowed That th● Scripture is not their Rule either for Faith or Pr●ctice But now for the Protestants to call for plai●-Scripture is but according to their Principle becaus● they own it for their Rule 7. So again p. 19. G.W. confesses that JESUS CHRIST is MAN one at first view might think h● spoke well so he does if he did but mean truly wh●● he speaks But that you may plainly see he doth not and may see what kind of Man he means in the sam● Page he gives you to understand that it is such ● Man as hath not HUMANE NATURE and p. 24 such a Man as is not a Person without us and wh●● kind of Man think you must or can this be Is no● this a fine Quibble Judg you That this their Equivocation may appear more plain even to the Capacit● of the Vulgar consider That when the Quaker● say that Jesus Christ is Man They must mea● either That he is truly and substantially a Man a created Body and Soul or that he is an Imaginary and Fictitious one only If the first then they must own he is a distinct Person ha●h as essential to him Humane Nature For to be a Man is to have the Nature of Man and every substantial Man is a distinct Person But this they deny of Christ therefore they do not mean he is such a Man If the other viz. an Imaginary or Fictitious Man let them say so if they dare and consider how Blasphemous it would be and what horrible Consequences would follow thereon And therefore to go round again let the Quakers equivocate as much as they will they must hold that indeed Christ is not Man or else fall into the BLASPHEMY or Absurdity abovementioned In plainness G. is Jesus Christ a Man and not a Person Seeing thou dost define a Person to be a MAN c. In the Introduction of thy Book intituled the Divinity of Christ What meanest thou by the word MAN A Created Body and Soul or some uncreated thing Now G. use plainness and honesty in this particular if there be any in thee or whoever he be that undertakes to Answer for thee Generally all Men in the World that use the Term Man as properly an English word understand by it a PERSON or a RATIONAL CREATURE distinct from all other Men one that is in some certain Place and cannot be in distinct Places at the same time that hath in respect of his Body Dimensions of Length Breadth and Depth that is visible one that began to exist at a certain time one that hath a head and a body so closely united that when-ever they two are severed the Man ceases to be But the Quakers they seem to mean quite another thing by the term MAN sometimes one thing and sometimes another I believe themselves know not well what By the term MAN Do you not mean one that is not a Person or Rational Creature but Flesh Blood and Bones of an eternal Nature J. P's Qu. p. 20. an infinite Soul One whose Flesh is and he is in a multitude of Men and Women in distant Countreys at the same instant of time Myst p. 68. Christ ascend p. 18. One that is not in Heaven as a place to live in remote from Men that live on Earth Spir. of Truth p. 12. Christ ascen p. 21. one that is not VISIBLE Christ ascend p. 37. one that beg●n not to be for he was eternal one that is as far remote from his Body as Heaven is from Earth and yet lives See Quak. Plainness p. 23. In fine it seems Jesus Christ is a Man whose Glorious Body in Heaven is not a Humane or Man 's Body see the same p. 23. and doth not the Quaker use now admirable Plainness in his Confession of Faith in Scripture-Language Doth Europe or America afford such Equivocation 8. G.W. p. 19. says further That Christ's Body of Flesh and Blood that was born of the VIRGIN-MARY and that suffered was Crucifyed Dye++d and Rose again the third day is called the Body of Jesus But yet G. thou wilt not say nor own That that Living Body is Jesus or that BODY is so much as a part of Jesus Consider this serious Reader here 's still the Quakers Quibble and a clear proof of the Quakers Mystery whereby their poor unwary Hearers are deluded and deceived So they will say the seventh day of the week called Saturday and the eleventh Month called January and the Scripture called the word of God and the Writing or Declaration of Matthew called the Gospel of St. Matthew and abundance the like Which yet they do not one whit the more Believe it for Truth for saying it is called so But Believe quite the Contrary as they believe the Scripture is not the Word of God though it may be called so so they can say by their Equivocation The Body that was born of the Virgin Mary is called in Scripture the Body of Jesus and