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A30890 John Barclay his vindication of the intercession of saints, the veneration of relicks and miracles, against the sectaries of the times Book II. Chap. VII. Englished by a person of quality. With allowance.; Parænesis ad sectarios. Book 2, Chapter 7. English. Barclay, John, 1582-1621. 1688 (1688) Wing B716; ESTC R215790 13,055 23

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this Place be more over Venerable for the Name of some Martyr the Affection of the Rememberer recommends by its Prayers the beloved Soul to the same Martyr which Affection shewn to the Deceased by their most dear and faithful Friends undoubtedly profits those who whilst they were living in the Body deserv'd that such things should after this Life be profitable to them There is in this no Exclamation no Apostrophe These Fathers sincerely and plainly declare their own and the Churches sense I would here says my Author willingly Address my Discourse to the Almoner of the most Serene King of Great Britain Him does the King him do many others believe and he is so often in fault as he causes others to offend Let him therefore consider how great his Error is in denying it to be St. Augustin's Opinion that the Martyrs should be Invocated In his answer to the Apology of the most Illustrious Cardinal Bellarmine he speaks thus Now we consent to St. Augustine that the Body of the Protomartyr should be conveniently Honour'd since Almighty GOD was pleas'd to work some Miracles by it But that he wrought those Miracles by the Invocation of Saints is an Addition of the Cardinals own For the Martyrs are not Invocated by St. Augustine Nay the Martyrs are Invocated by St. Augustine unless we refuse to believe Augustine himself For what can be plainer than that Sentence 'T is not to be doubted but the Affection of the Faithful profits the Deceased when they recommend their Souls to the Martyrs Why do you persuade the King why do you persuade your self otherwise I call upon the Martyrs whom you will not have call'd upon I willingly with Reverence beseech them that they would obtain for you from our Lord this Faith which you reject and that the last Night may not close your Eyes before you have abjur'd the darkness of Heresy in the Light of the Church But we are commanded in the Scriptures to have recourse to GOD. Why then should we Address our selves to Saints O brave new Wisdom Was the Church Ignorant of this Did not the Fathers know it Nay we are admonish'd that we may very much be assisted by the Prayers of good Men and when we repair to the Saints we go to GOD. For far be it from us to expect any thing from the Saints but what they shall obtain for us of our Lord. They can do nothing of themselves We desire nothing from them but their Prayers And why should St. Peter and St. Paul famous for the Purity of their Lives and their triumphant Constancy at their Death be less prevalent Advocates with Almighty GOD than such contemptible Wretches as you or I who are daily guilty of new Offences What shall I say of the Angel whom GOD has plac'd as a Guardian over every one of us Would'st thou have an Assistant of so great Power and so great Splendour be Unsaluted Wouldst not thou of thy own accord recommend thy self to him to whom thou art committed by Almighty GOD. But some of you indeed deny others are ignorant that there are any such Spirits present with us I have seen an Aged Sectary who though fierce and daily disputing against us yet deny'd he had ever before heard it to be the Papists Opinion that there was an Angel Assign'd for the keeping of every particular Person Nor is to be doubted said he but this Fiction had its Original from the Domestick and Familiar Gods of the Gentils Forbear Sectary thy ill Language We have this Belief from the Holy Scriptures and not from the Fooleries of the Heathen For that People and Provinces have their Angels who take care of their Affairs thou findst in Daniel Chap. 10. Where Michael is said to be Prince of the Jews another of the Persians and another of the Grecians And that such Spirits are given to every particular Person we are Taught in St. Matthew Chap. 18. ver 10. Where our Saviour says See that he despise not one of these little ones for I say to you that their Angels in Heaven do always see the Face of my Father which is in Heaven Upon which place St. Hierom in his Commentary on St. Matthew has these Words Great is the Dignity of Souls that every one of them from its first Being should have an Angel appointed for its Guardian The same Father on the Death of Paula says I take to witness our Lord JESVS and his Saints and the very Angel himself who was Keeper and Assistant of this admirable Woman that I speak nothing Partially after the custom of Flatterers But you complain of the Veneration and Respect we give the Saints Because GOD alone say you is to be Worshiped And St. Paul in his Epistle to the Colossians chap. 11. v. 18. Forbids Christians to be seduc'd in the Humility and Religion of Angels In fine the Angel which shew'd St. John the Vision of the Apocalypse suffer'd not himself to be Worship'd by him These Objections O Sectaries are frequently in your Mouths and as often and as often answer'd by Us. To Worship is a Word of dubious signification Some Worship is due to GOD alone Whoever bestows this on Man Angel or Saint can never avoid being guilty of Idolatry There is another Worship or Reverence Pay'd by the Inferior to the Superior without either believing him to be GOD or Venerating him as such With this all Princes Kings Angels and Saints are to be respected according to their Degrees and Dignities The one as the Images of GOD on Earth the other as the Domesticks of GOD in Heaven And that thou mayst not doubt but the Word Worship is in the Scriptures apply'd to those Honours which may be Lawfully given to Creatures thou findest in written of Abraham Gen. 23. v. 7. And Abraham Arose and Worshipped Adoravit the People of the Land to wit the Children of Heth. And of Nathan the Prophet 't is said 3 Kings ch 1. v. 23. And when he was come in before the King and had Worship'd adorasset him with his Face to the Ground To the Words of the Apostle forbiding the Humility and Religion of Angels St. Chrysostom has long since answer'd in his seventh Homily on the Epistle to the Colossians telling us That by these words is forbidden the Heresie which reputed Angels for Inferior Gods as if by them and not by CHRIST we must be reconcil'd and have Access to the Father Which Heresie was by the Antients attributed to Simon Magus Nor has St. Augustin more slightly answer'd the Argument you bring out of the Apocalypse who in his 51st Question on Genesis says that from the Majesty of the Expressions which the Angel us'd for he had before ch 1. v. 11. said in the Person of our Lord I am the first and the last c. St. John thought 't was Christ and not an Angel that spake to him And that the Angel therefore forbad St. John to give him the Honour which was