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A77137 A defence and justification of ministers maintence by tythes. And of infant-baptism, humane learning, and the sword of the magistrate; which some Anabaptists falsely call four sandy pillars, and popish foundations of our ministry and churches. In which tythes are proved to be due by divine right to the ministers of the gospel. All common objections answered, and divers cases of conscience humbly proposed: with a light to clear them. / In a reply to a paper sent by some Anabaptists to Immanuel Bourne, late pastor of the church in Asheover in the county of Derby: now preacher to the congregation at Waltham in the county of Leicester. With a short answer to Anthony Peirson's great case of tythes, &c. Bourne, Immanuel, 1590-1672. 1659 (1659) Wing B3851; Thomason E1907_1 92,679 184

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Congregations as to Ministry and maintenance but it is such a way as is not yet so fit to be revealed Mr. Bourn's answer It is some mystery of Iniquity sure or depth of Sathans policy you are so fearful to discover it Rev. 2.24 but if it be for selling our Tythes and Gleab and putting out the godly learned Ministry and putting in Jeroboams Priests Coblers and Taylers and Tinkers and such like to be Preachers this way will please but a few people in the Nation I am confident for our gleab-lands I have shewed they had a higher Foundation than Pope or Popery by Humane testimony besides Divine they were given in divers places before Pope and Popery began as in the times of Arviragus whom you name in page 8. here in this Land as I have shewed at Glassenbury within a hundred years after Christ a fair Gleab-Land was given to the Church to maintain the Preaching of the Gospel there this witnessed by divers antient Writers some of which I have named in my Defenc● before I say no more but desire all to consider whether if to devour that which was sanctified and set apart for a Divine use approved by God himself as the Gleab to the Levites was and after the Vow to make enquiry Prov. 20.25 may not prove a snare to the Nation The Lord keep us from making Snares for our selves we have Enemies enough whose daily designs are to make and lay snares for us but the Lord hath delivered us the Lord deliver us still as he hath done for many years since from the Powder-Treason 1605. and since that from many deep designs of Antichrist so that England may sing that Song of Praise which Israel did Psalm 124. If the Lord had not been on our side may England now say when men rose up against us they had swallowed us up quick when their wrath was kindled against us c. Blessed be the Lord who hath not given us as a pray to their teeth and the Lord continue the preservation of these Nations in truth and peace to his Glory and our Eternal comfort So prayeth he who wisheth no worse to Anthony Pierson nor to any that sincerely seek true Happiness in Christ Jesus but that when this Life is ended we may live together with Christ in Heaven for ever Immanuel Bourne June 25. 1659. THere are divers others who have writ against Tythes that they may overthrow the Ministers of England as well as Tythes that Pamphlet called The Tythe-Cart overthrown several Quakers and others in several Petitions to the Parliament all which may receive a full Answer in my Justification of Ministers Maintenance by Tythes if God be pleased to open their Eyes which I pray for I. B. A DEFENCE OF Infant-Baptism I Now proceed to your second Sandy foundation The Anabaptists Answer The Second sandy Pillar Infant-Baptism M Bour. Reply 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 aspergo I sprinkle of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 à 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 fluo to flow Hence 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 aspersus sprinkled Heb. 12.24 which indeed was your first you named in your Paper before 〈◊〉 joyn them together This is Infants membership by Baptizing or Rantizing of Infants as you call it and our accepting of them by Baptism as members of our Church Take away that say you and you would have no Church For Reply First to your terms not Baptizing but Rantizing of poor Infants I may demand of you that speak so much against humane Learning and call it a Popish foundation whence had you your term of Rantizing Can you speak Greek what and without humane Learning this were a kind of miracle or at least an extraordinary gift of that tongue which is now ceased For Rantizo in Greek signifieth to sprinkle in English And is this that you call cozening of poor Infants in their cradles Certainly that child that is sprinkled with the blood of sprinkling is not cozened and so Infants have been else they were not sanctified from their mothers womb as the Prophet Jeremy Jer. 1.5 Lu. 1.15 and John the Baptists and so Infants may be still for what you have proved to the contrary Nor can you or any of your separation bring any Scripture proof to the contrary as clear as the Sunne at noon day without a consequence or illustration as you vainly boasted If we examine your Scriptures alleadged against Infants to exclude them from being members of the Church of Christ it will be evident The Anabaptists Answer Your first place was John 13.34 35. from whence you argue That because Children cannot love or declare their love one to another as those Disciples might who were men of ripe years 〈◊〉 you conclude they are not they cannot be Disciples of Christ or Members of the Church Mr. Bourns Reply To which I reply First Where is your boast of Scripture proof as clear as the Sun at noon-day without a consequence or illustration Is not this a consequence What is ergo else but I leave the Reader to see your weaknes The Anabaptists Answer The rest of your places of Scripture you alledge are all of the same nature and all consequences I shall only name them and leave the judicious Reader to judge The Scriptures follow John 15.8 Mark 13.37 Lu. 21.36 Mat. 13.11 Lu. 14.33 1 Cor. 10.16 17. 11.28 29. ● Cor. 6.4 1 Th. 5.2 3 4 5. Heb. 6.11.12 1 Th. 2.11 Ep. 2.2 3. These are the Scriptures you alledge and to all or most of these you add an ergo a therefore because little children cannot do that which Christ requireth of men of ripe years therefore say you they are nor they cannot be Disciples of Christ nor members of Christ's Church Mr. Bourns Reply First For Reply These are all Consequences still and not Scripture-proof as clear as the Sun at noon day without a consequence or illustration Contrary to your vapour at the first And they are false consequences also for God doth not require as much of little children to make them Members of the Church as he doth of men and women of ripe years and yet they may be Members of the Church of Christ as no doubt Jeremiah and John the Baptist and Isaa● ●●ere even in their Infancy yea and all the elect children of God to the end of the world yea members of the visible Church when they are admitted by Baptism as Isaac was when he was admitted by Circumcision A Light frō christ pr. 1646. But I have answered this long ago in my greater Light from Christ leading unto Christ noted before p. 284 290 291. I give a distinction of Church-members 1. Men and women of ripe years converted to the Faith of Christ and of these a declaration of faith and repentance is needful to a compleat membership in the Church and to practise those duties Christ requireth in those places of Scripture you have alledged 2. Children of believing Parents 〈◊〉 in the Church and
Christ and the Petitions delivered to many Parliaments by that Generation of men poor deceived souls confirm this to the full But the Lord hath yet put it into the heart of the Parliament not to destroy but to defend the Faithful and Godly Ministers of the Gospel and their just Maintenance established both by the Laws of God and the Land for which let us praise God and pray to the Lord still to be so present with them as to guide and rule their hearts that our wise Senatours may rather establish and increase the maintenance of the Godly and Faithful Ministers of Christ in the Nation than take away or diminish any part of it for this will be not only for the honour of the Parliament but for the Glory of God and good of the Nation whatsoever seduced Spirits would perswade to the contrary for whom let us pray as Christ did for his Persecutors Father forgive them they know not what they do And my beloved Brethren let us who are the Lords remembrancers give God no rest nor day nor night till he establish his Gospel and Faithful Ministers and their just maintenance and by enabling us by the assistance of his blessed Spirit to perform constantly our duties in our several places that his and our Jerusalem may be made a praise in the earth But if our adversaries the adversaries of the Gospel should prevail against us all should be taken away though they cannot take Christ away nor Heaven away Let us labour to live by Faith and depend upon God who hath provided for many of us when we had lost all preserved our lives when we were in eminent dangers and will preserve us to his Heavenly Kingdom In the mean time Honoured and Reverend Brethren let us labour by wisdom and power from Christ to fulfil our Ministry which we have received from the Lord to preach the Word in season and out of season to Catechise and instruct our people in the first Principles of the Oracles of God and this both publickly and from house to house often to confer with them and to build them up and confirm them in the knowledge of Christ that if it please God they may know the Lord as the truth is in Jesus that they may walke as becometh the Gospel of Christ and manifest the truth of their Faith by fruitfulnesse in all good works that they and we may by our holy and righteous lives put to silence the malevolent spirits of all our adversaries and bring forth abundantly like trees of righteousnesse the planting of the Lord that God may be glorified And for our selves especially let us by the Grace of God endeavour the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace and although our light be not equal in all respects yet let it be far from us by our divisions to rent in pieces the seamlesse coat of our Lord and Saviour but rather in love enlighten and by our frequent communion strengthen one another that though they speak evil of us as the wicked and deceived souls have done of the Prophets and Apostles yea of Christ himself yet seeing our holy lives faithful performance and discharge of our duties in our Ministerial Office they may be convinced and glorifie God in the day of visitation knowing that if we fight the good fight of Faith and keep the Faith and be faithful to the death there is laid up for us the Crown of righteousnesse which the Lord the righteous Judge shall give us at that day and not to us only but to all them that love the Lord Jesus and wait for his appearing Which that we may persevere to do and enjoy is the most humble hearty and daily prayer of London June 18 1659. Your most unworthy Brother and Fellow-Labourer in the work of Christ Immanuel Bourne A Defence Justification OF Ministers Maintenance by Tythes Humane Learning Infant Baptism and The Sword of the Magistrate In a Reply to the Answer of some Anabaptists or Antipedobaptists Declaring their Grounds of Separation For John Darker and Tobias Watson and the Thirty Congregations of Antipedobaptists The blessing of Truth with freedom from Errors and false foundations if it be the will of God in Christ Jesus FRIENDS FOr so I desire you may be in and for Christ hoping better things of some of you and such as accompany salvation although for the present too many of you appear to be Adversaries if not Enemies to the Truth of the Gospel and to the Godly faithful Ministers of Christ in England and in other parts of the Christian world Unto the Paper I sent Novemb. 11. 1658. unto one of you living within the limits of the Town and amongst the People to whom God in his Providence hath called me to preach the Gospel I received your Answer in writing Decemb. 8. in one sheet of paper with a Confession of thirty Congregations and I conceive you have consulted with your Church as you esteem it and other Congregations of your opinions to give answer unto my Demands and it was my desire you should so do that I might know your strongest Arguments or Grounds of your Separation from our Reformed and Reforming Congregations that if it be the will of God I might convince you by the help of the Spirit of Truth of the weakness and error of your Grounds and your eyes might be enlightned to see you have been deceived and now be per●waded to return and joyn with our Reformed and Reforming Congregations for your edification in the Truth of the Gospel and good of your Souls which I pray for And friends I have read your Answer and am sorrowful to see such pride of spirit self-conceit and vain boasting That your foundation-principles of the Church of God as you esteem your selves have Scripture proof as clear as the Sun at noon day without the help of Consequences or Illustrations with such rash censurings and uncharitable unchristian expressions telling me I alledge Scripture out of ignorance or weakness and that I am like the Tempter who brought Scripture against Christ and that the old Romish principle groweth still in the hearts of many of us to make Reason to be our Rule and cast away the Scriptures And your comparing me to Popish D. Story in his plea against Philpot the Martyr But whether your vain boasting be a truth or falshood Thil. 1.27 and whether your rash censurings and unchristian charge be as becometh the Gospel of Christ I leave to God and your own better enlightned consciences to judge and the Christian Reader to consider Anabaptists Answ First you say You have received some lines of my writing which I sent you upon the Eleventh of Novemb. and having weighed them in the ballance of the Sanctuary you find them very light Mr. Bour●● Reply To which I reply Certainly you were mistaken it was not the Ballance of the Sanctuary in which you weighed my lines for God requireth his people should have