abomination of the whore of Babylon There are three monstrous and shameful prerogatiues which the Canonists ascribed to the Pope in times past and they are these his power dispensatiue his power exemptiue his power transcendent so we will call them at this time error 53 First his prerogatiue in dispensing was wonderfull it would offend a Christian eare to heare what his grosse Canonists are nothing ashamed to say Papa potest dispensare contra ius diuinum the Pope may dispence against the Lawe of God contra ius naturae against the Lawe of nature contra Apostolum against the Apostle contra nouum testamentum against the new Testament Nay Papa potest dispensare de omnibus praeceptis veteris noui testamenti the Pope may dispence with all the Commaundements both of the olde and new lawe What intolerable blasphemies are here The practises also of Popes are agreeable hereunto for did not the Court of Rome dispence with King Henry the eights marriage with his brothers wife but that vngodly dispensation at the last was ouerthrowne and it was well concluded by act of Parliament Anno. 1533. That no man had authoritie to dispence with Gods lawes error 54 2 Concerning his power exemptiue the Pope say they is not bound to any lawe No man is to iudge or accuse him of any crime either of adulterie murther simonie or such like If he fall into adulterie or homicide hee cannot bee accused but rather excused by the murthers of Sampson theftes of the Hebrues the adulterie of Iacob As Oziah was stricken for putting his hand to the Arke inclining no more must subiects rebuke their Prelates going awry by the inclination of the Arke the fall of prelates is vnderstoode This generally is the opinion of the Canonists but the Iesuites doo holde the contrarie that it is lawfull euen for an inferior priest to rebuke the Pope Rhemist Annot. in 2. Galath sect 8. Wherefore seeing they confute themselues they neede not any other refutation error 55 3 Concerning the third power which we call Transcendent One saith that non minor honor Papae debetur quà m Angelis that there is no lesse honor due to the Pope thē to Angels Another saith Papatus est summa virtus creata The Popedome is the highest power that was created of God aboue Angels or Archangels Againe those wordes of the Psalme thou hast put all things vnder his foote as sheepe and oxen fowles of the ayre fishes of the sea they thus blasphemouslie applie to the Pope by sheepe and oxen vnderstanding men liuing vpon the earth by the fowles of the ayre the Angels in Heauen whom they say the Pope may commaunde by the fishes the soules in purgatorie Ouer all these the Pope say they hath absolute power who may if it please him release all purgatorie at once What horrible blasphemies are here Yet our Rhemists and other Iesuites are somewhat more modest which confesse that the Pope is but Christs Vicar in the regiment of that part which is on the earth Annotat. 1. Ephesians sect 5. Seeing then they confute themselues wee will not further trauaile herein but proceede THE TENTH QVESTION CONCERNING Antichrist and whether the Pope be that great aduersarie vnto Christ. THis question is deuided into many partes First whether Antichrist shall bee some one singular man Secondly of the time of his comming and continuing Thirdly of his name Fourthly of what nation or kinred hee shall come Fiftly where his place and seate shall bee Sixtly of his Doctrine and manners Seauenthly of his miracles Eightly of his Kingdome and warres Ninthly whether the Pope bee the very Antichrist This then is a most famous question and worthie throughly to bee discussed euery poynte therefore must be handled in order The Papists THey hold that Antichrist whose comming is foretolde in the Scripture shall error 56 be one particular man not a whole bodie tyrannie or Kingdome as the truth is Bellarm. cap. 2. lib. 3. 1 They vrge the words of our Sauiour Iohn 5.43 I come in my Fathers name and ye receiue me not if another come in his owne name him will ye receiue Here Christ say they speaketh of another that shall come namely Antichrist for here one is opposed to one namely Antichrist to Christ not a Kingdome to a Kingdome or sect vnto sect but one person to another Bellarmine cap. 2. lib. 3. Ans. First here is not so much an opposition of persons as there is of doctrine as to preach in the name of God and to preach in the name of men and though Christ be the chiefe doctor and teacher that came in the name of his Father yet all true preachers beside doe come in the same name for so our Sauiour saith of his Apostles He that receiueth you receiueth me and he that receiueth me receiueth him that sent me Matth. 10.40 Therefore he that receiueth the Apostles receciueth God they also then doe come in the name of Christ and so Christ and all the faithfull make but one Iohn 17.21 2 Neither doth Christ here speake of one speciall enemie but of all false prophets for it is not vnusuall in the Scripture in the singular number to expresse a multitude being of the same kinde as Iohn 10.11.12 There is a comparison betweene Christ the true shepheard and the hireling where by the name of hireling all false shepheards and spirituall theeues are vnderstood and so is it in this place therefore they cannot conclude out of this place that Antichrist shall be but one man 2 An other proofe is out of 1. Iohn 2.18 the Antichrist shal come 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the Greeke article 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 expresseth some singular notable person Bellarmine ibid. Ans. It is false The Greeke article doth not alwaies in scripture assigne some particular person as Matth. 4.4 Man shall not liue by bread onely the Greeke text hath 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the man and yet is it vnderstood not of any one man but of all in generall so 2. Tim. 2.17 The man of God that is euery faithfull minister or good Christian yet is it expressed with the article Fulk Annota 2. Thess. 2. sect 8. 3 Apocal. 13.18 It is the number of a man the proper name of Antichrist is set downe Ergo but one man Bellar. ibid. Rhemens 2. Thes. 2. sect 8. Ans. The name here mystically described which shal conteine 666. in number for so the Greek letters 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 doe signifie being nūbred doth not expresse any particular name of one man but rather of the whole societie and bodie of Antichrist for it is said to be the number of the beast Now by the beast is vnderstoode the Romane Empire the name whereof is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Latinus which letters doe arise in computation to the whole number of 666. And this name Irenaeus thinketh to agree best to this place Further seeing the Rhemists themselues by the best do vnderstand
names of the things themselues as the Sacrament of the bodie of Christ is after a certaine manner called his bodie Christus corporis sui figuram discipulis commendauit Christ did commend to his disciples a figure of his bodie Quid paras dentem ventrem Crede manducasti Why doest thou make readie thy teeth thy bellie Beleeue in Christ and thou hast eaten him Secundum praesentiam maiestatis semper habemus Christum secundum praesentiam carnis recte dictum est discipulis Me semper non habebitis According to the presence of his Maiestie we haue Christ alwaies according to his carnall presence it was truely sayd to his disciples You cannot haue me alwaies By these and many such places in this ancient father it is manifest that in those daies there was no such opinion held of the carnall presence AN APPENDIX TO THIS QVESTION WHETHER it stand with the power and will of God that Christs bodie should be carnally present in the Sacrament The Papists THere are two difficulties or impossibilities which doe hinder the reall presence of Christs bodie in the Sacrament First it would follow that a natural bodie such as Christs is might be in two places at once for they say that it is in heauen and in the Eucharistall at once Secondly that a naturall bodie may be in a place and yet not occupie or fill a place for if Christs bodie be in the Sacrament it occupieth no place the compasse of a thinne and round cake is not answerable to the proportion of Christs bodie Notwithstanding both these difficulties it is agreeable both to the power and good pleasure of God that the bodie of Christ should be included in the Sacrament Bellarm. Argum 1. It is possible for the bodie of Christ to be in many places at once and it also standeth with his will as Act. 9.4 Christ appeared to Saul either vpon the earth or in the ayre next to the earth for how could he either heare the voyce of Christ sitting in heauen or see the light so farre off Ergo Christ was in two places he appeared to Paul vpon earth and he was at the same time in heauen from whence he shall not moue till the day of iudgement Bellarm de sacram Eucharist lib. 3. cap. 3. Rhemist Act. 9. sect 1. Ans. First the text is plaine that Christ spake from heauen from whence the light shined vers 3. he was neither in the ayre nor vpon the earth Secondly doe you make question whether Paul could see a light or heare a voyce from so farre seeing that the Sunne whose bodie is so farre distant from vs doth disperse his beames ouer the face of the earth and the voyce of the thunder is hearâ—â—ery farre Will ye denie Christ to haue that power which we see to be in his creatures Thirdly and why was it not as possible that Christ from heauen should be heard of Paul as he was seene of Stephen sitting on the right hand of God Act. 7.56 Argum. 2. The bodie of Christ may be where it pleaseth him and yet shall not need any naturall place or occupie any roome he is able to bring a Camel through the eye of a needle Math. 20.26 He also came through the doores in to his Apostles rose out of the sepulchre thorow the stone was borne his mothers wombe being shut therefore he may as well and is no doubt present vnder the shapes of bread and wine in the Sacrament Rhemist Math. 26. sect 11. Bellarm. lib. 3. de Sacram. cap. 6. Ans. 1. Christ sheweth in that place that it is as impossible for a rich man that is high minded and trusteth in his riches to enter into heauen as for a Camell to passe through the eye of a needle but it is possible with God to giue rich men humble and lowly minds and so make them fit for his kingdome as to make the Camell lesse and so draw him thorow a needle It is not proued out of this place that God can or will draw the huge bodie of a Camell through a needle remaining still of that bignes no more then that it is possible for God to bring a proud rich arrogant man to heauen his affections not altered both these are impossible to God because they are contrarie to his wil and ordinance the one is against the law of iustice to bring a wicked man to heauen the other against the law of nature 2. For the other three examples it is not proued out of scripture that the bodie of Christ pearced the doores the graue stone or his mothers wombe although the doores were found shut after Christs entrance the graue couered and his mother remained a Virgine still for all these passages might giue place for a while to the bodie of Christ and returne againe to their place as the red sea was diuided till the Israelites passed and afterward the waters came together againe And concerning the last instance of the birth of Christ it is certaine out of the scriptures that Christ opened the wombe of his mother in his birth Luk. 2.23 Hetherto therefore they haue proued nothing The Protestants OVr aduersaries doe falsely charge vs to say that God can doe no more then he hath done or will do Rhemist Math. 26. sect 11. This we say that Christ is almightie and yet can doe nothing against his owne will his word or glorie as to dishonor his glorious bodie and to bring it within the compasse of a piece of bread that it may be deuoured of cats dogges rats mice or which is worse to be eaten of wicked men the members of the diuell although the question be not so much betweene vs what Christ is able to doe of his absolute power but what he will doe according to his word Fulk Math. 17. sect 1. Argum. 1. It standeth neither with the power or will of God to doe contrarie to his word For it is impossible that God should lye Hebr. 6.18 And this thing not to lye is not a waÌ„t of power but a signe of greater power in God But it is plainly declared in scripture that Christ hath a true naturall bodie and is in all things like vnto vs Hebr. 2.17 Therefore neither can his bodie being a true humane bodie as ouâ—s are be in many places at once neither can it choose but occupie that roome and place where it is The Angel sayd He is risen he is not here Math. 28.6 but it had been no good argument to say he is risen and gone to another place and therefore he is not here if so be the bodie of Christ might be in many places at once The scripture then hath defined it that Christs bodie is in one certaine place wherefore to say that Christ hath a true naturall bodie and yet retaineth not the naturall properties of a bodie is to speake contradictories that he hath and hath not a true naturall bodie and this were to make God a
lier Augustine sayth of Christ Secundum corporalem praesentiam simul in sole luna cruce esse non potest Christ according to his corporall presence cannot be in the Sunne the Moone and vpon the Crosse all at one time And concerning the other poynt he writeth thus Spatia locorum tolle corporibus nusquam erunt quia nusquam erunt nec erunt Take away space of place from bodies and they shall be no where and if they be in no place then are they not at all Argum. 2. The reall and carnall presence of Christ in the Sacrament is a thing superfluous needles and vnprofitable First the fauour of God in the remission of sinnes through Christ is as well sealed vnto vs in Baptisme as in the Lords Supper what neede then the carnal presence in the one more then in the other Secondly that Christ is in bodie present in the Sacrament is not perceiued by any sense for they neither tast him see him nor feele him it must be then a worke of faith but by faith Christ is as well apprehended being absent as being supposed in this manner to be present Ergo this kind of presence is needles Argum. 3. It is an inglorious vnworthie and vnseemely thing that the glorious and impassible bodie of Christ should be inclosed in the formes of bread and wine deuoured and chawed eaten and gnawed of mice subiect to mould and rottennes to be spilt vpon the ground burnt in the fire for all these inconueniences must needes follow vpon the carnall presence Bellarm. It is no more inglorious or impossible for these things now to happen to the bodie of Christ thē it was for him to be carried in his mothers womb to be swathed in swadling bands and to be subiect to iniuries which were done to his bodie vpon earth Ans. First as though there be the like reason of the passible bodie of Christ while he liued in the world which was buffeted whipped pearced with nayles crucified and of his glorious and impassible bodie now that it may in like manner be rent and diuided Secondly neither was it possible that Christs passible bodie should be subiect to the like infirmities as to rottennes corruption consumption in the fire as his bodie is now in the Sacrament If it were then verified in Christ Thou shalt not suffer thy holy one to see corruption for his bodie did not putrifie or corrupt in the graue much more is it true in the glorious bodie of Christ that it cannot suffer any such things How then are you not ashamed to affirme that the bread and wine are made in the Sacrament the very bodie and blood of Christ seeing those elements if they be kept long will waxe sower and mouldie and fall to corruption which things once to thinke of the glorious bodie of Christ were great impietie Leaue off for shame then these your grosse opinions so much derogatorie to the glorie and honour of Christ. THE SECOND QVESTION CONCERNING Transubstantiation The Papists IF any man shall say that there remaineth the substance of bread and wine in the Sacrament after the words of consecration or shall denye that the whole error 115 substance of bread is changed and conuerted into the bodie of Christ and the whole substance of wine into the blood of Christ the formes and shewes onely of bread and wine remaining which singular and miraculous conuersion the Church calleth Transubstantiation let him be accursed Concil Tridentin sess 13. can 2. Bellarm. lib. 3. de sacra euchar cap. 19. Rhemist Matth. 17. sect 1. Argum. 1. Christ transfigured his bodie marueilously in the Mount as wee reade Math. 17. sect 1. Ergo he is able to exhibite his bodie vnder the formes of bread and wine Rhemist Ans. First your argument followeth not Christ could giue a glorious forme to his passible bodie Ergo he can take away the essentiall properties of his naturall bodie and yet keepe a true bodie stil. Or thus Christ could glorifie his bodie not yet glorified Ergo he can or will dishonour his glorious impassible bodie by enclosing it vnder the formes of base creatures to be deuoured of dogs and mice which is honoured and worshipped of the Angels and Saints in heauen Secondly the question is not so much of Christs power as of his will therefore you conclude not aright Christ is able to doe it Ergo he will Argum. 2. He that seeth water turned into wine by the power of Christ need not to doubt how he changeth bread into his bodie Rhemist Ioh. 2. sect 2. Ans. First when you can bring any warrant out of scripture for your imagined conuersion as we haue for this miracle we will giue eare vnto you Secondly and when it shall appeare to the senses that the bread is changed into flesh as the water was knowne to be turned into the wine by the colour and tast we shall then no more doubt of this conuersion of the bread then they did of the other of water Thirdly if Christ could alter and change the substances of creatures what reason haue you to giue such an omnipotent power to euery priest with a fewe words to doe as much as Christ himselfe could when he was present Fourthly all this proueth but an abilitie and power in Christ not a will or purpose to worke any such change or conuersion Argum. 3. Though the substance of bread and wine be chaunged yet the formes remaine still for these causes First because if the formes also should be changed there should be no sensible signe left and so no Sacrament Secondly the faith of the receiuer is the better tried this way who beleeueth the flesh of Christ to be present though he see it not Thirdly Christ would not haue the formes altered because man abhorreth to eate humane flesh in the proper shape Bellarm. cap. 22. Ans. First your first reason is insufficient for neither doe the bare and naked signes or accidents of the elements make a Sacrament but the substance of thē for betweene the Sacrament and the thing thereby represented there ought to be some conueniencie and agreement namely as the bodie is nourished by bread and wine so doth the soule feed vpon the bodie and bloud of Christ. But they are not the accidents of bread and wine that nourish vs but the substance Ergo not the accidents but the substance is the visible signe Likewise in Baptisme it is not the forme or outward accident of water that is the signe but the substance of water that washeth 2. It is a more liuely operation of faith to beleeue in Christ absent in heauen then present in earth although he appeare not to the senses And Christ is indeed properly the obiect of faith as he is now in heauen Hope saith the Apostle entreth into that which is within the vaile whither our forerunner Iesus is entred for vs Heb. 6.19 Faith and hope therefore doe leade vs to things within the vaile that is things
that faith was requisite to make a true member of the church here he saith that without faith a mēber cā not be knowen much lesse therfore made 3 The Rhemistes confesse in these very words that in the raigne of their imagined and supposed Antichrist the externall state of the Romane church and publike entercourse of the faithfull with the same shall cease and that there shal be onely a communion in hart with it and practise in secret Annot. in 2. Thess. 2. Sect. 10. Where then I pray you shal be your tabernaculum in sole ciuitas in monte candela splendens in domo your tabernacle in the sunne your Citie in a mountaine your candle shining in the house that is say you in the world Math. 5. Sect. 3. Ergo out of their owne wordes we conclude that the church shall not alwayes be visible and notoriously knowen in the world Lastly we will conclude with Augustine Aliquando in sola domo Noah Ecclesia erat in solo Abraham Ecclesia erat in solo Loth domo eius Ecclesia erat in solo Henoch Ecclesia erat Sometime the church was onely in Henochs house sometime onely in Noah some time in Abraham alone in Loth his house How then hath the church bene alwayes so visible and notoriously knowē to the world when it hath layen hidden some time in one house yea in one man THE SECOND QVESTION whether the Church may erre THis questiō is deuided into two parts First whether the catholike church may erre at all or not Secondly whether the visible church vpon earth may fall away from God into Idolatrie and apostasie THE FIRST PART WHETHER THE Catholike Church may erre in doctrine The Papistes THey do teach that the catholike church can not possiblie erre not onely in matters absolutely necessarie to saluation but not in any thing which error 16 it imposeth and commaundeth whether it be conteined in the word of God or not yea that it can not erre in these things which beside the word of God are commaunded And by the church here they do meane not onely the Pastors and Bishops but the whole companie of the faithfull so that neither that which all the pastors of the church do teach can be erronious nor what is receiued generally of the whole church Bellarm. de Eccles. lib. 3. cap. 14. Rhemist annot an Iohan. 14. ver 16. 1 The church say they is the pillar of truth 1. Tim. 3. Ergo it can not erre We answere First it is no otherwise the pillar of truth then a virgin without spot and wrincle Ephe. 5.27 As that place doth not priuiledge the church frō all sinne and imperfection of life so neither doth this place exempt her from all error in doctrine Secondly she is called the pillar of truth in respect of vs because the truth is preserued in the true church and is not els where to be found not because the truth dependeth vpon the church for S. Paule sendeth not Timothie in this place to learne of the church as though it could not possiblie be deceiued but saith he these things haue I written that thou mayst know how to behaue thy selfe in the house of God ver 14.15 Ergo the word of God is the rule of truth and the church hath no warrant to be kept from error but as she is lead and gouerned by the word of God Thirdly the argument foloweth not for Peter was a pillar and yet erred Gallat 2.9.11 2 They heape many arguments together The church hath the spirite of God to lead it into all truth the gates of hell shall not preuaile against it Math. 16. God hath geuen it Apostles teachers Euangelistes to keepe it in the truth Ephe. 4. Christ hath prayed for the church that it may be sanctified in the veritie Iohn 17. Christ prayed that Peters faith should not faile Ergo the church can not erre Rhemens annot 1. Timoth. 3.15 We answere euery one of the elect hath the spirite of God neither shall the gates of hell preuaile against the faith of any one of the elect to ouerthrow it Christ prayeth for euery one of his Disciples that they may be sanctified in the truth Iohn 17.20 wherefore it foloweth as well by these arguments that no one faithfull man can fall into error The pastors and teachers so long as they folow the Apostles doctrine may keepe the church from error but it is not gathered out of that place Ephe. 4. that the pastors if they swarue from Gods word can not erre Concerning Peter Christ prayed for him that his faith should not faile in that greeuous tentation which he fell into Secondly he prayed not for him as gouernour of the church but as he prayeth for euery faithfull man Iohn 17.23 Thirdly for all this prayer Peter erred Gallat 2. 3 This argument was vsed in the Councell of Basill the Church is without spot and wrincle Ephe. 5.27 Ergo without error We aunswere First S. Paule speaketh there of a glorious church such as it shal be in the kingdome of heauen not of the church as it is vpon earth so Reuel 7.14 The elders which sat round about the throne which are the Saintes in heauen were seene in long white robes which they had washed white in the bloud of the Lambe 2 It foloweth out of this place that the church is as well without sinne as free from error which the diuines in the Councell did also graunt But seeing by their owne confession euery member of the church being clothed in this mortall flesh sinneth how can the church be without sinne If the church consist of men and all men are sinners how is the church free If all the partes and members be sinnefull how is not the whole also polluted with sinne If all the partes of the body be sicke and diseased how can the whole be sound The church also is not ashamed to confesse her selfe to be blacke Cant. 1.5 she shal be made bewtifull and glorious without all spot blemish in the kingdome of God and euen now also is made righteous and iust before God through Christ not because she hath no sinne but because it is remitted and although some errors and imperfections remaine yet shall they be no hinderaunce to her saluation The Protestantes WE doubt not to say that the church of God may erre in some points not necessarie to saluation but can not fall cleane away from God into any dānable error Fulk annot in Ephe. 5. ver 29. That the church may erre as we say we do shew it thus and by the Church we vnderstand the whole companie and congregation the pastors with the people 1 When our Sauiour Christ suffred the church erred in faith Ergo it may erre the proposition is thus proued The church was either in the Scribes and Pharisies or els in the Apostles but both of them erred they in putting Christ to death the other in their incredulitie not beleeuing rightlie in the
would keepe the common and knowne name of the place that it might be out of doubt what Church he ment as for the name of Babylon to be ascribed to Rome though it were so mysticallie yet was it not so called for why might not Paule as well haue written his Epistle to the Romanes vnder that name the Church of Babylon as Peter wrote from thence 2 Agayne they alleadge that storie how Peter ouercame Simon Magus at Rome when he would haue taken his flight into the ayre hauing made himselfe wings and by the prayer of Peter was brought downe agayne and brake his legges and so dyed whereupon Nero being offended with Peter would haue apprehended him who being counsailed by the Church would haue fled from Rome but meeting Christ at one of the gates and saying vnto him whether goest thou Lord And he answered I come agayne to be crucified Peter vpon those words returned backe agayne and was crucified for the testimonie of Iesus Bellarm. cap. 2.3 We answere First we denye not that Peter was at Rome but shewe only the insufficiencie of their arguments and agayne we moue such doubts as by them are yet vnanswered as afterward shall be shewed Secondly concerning this storie of the victorie ouer Simon Magus they that doubt of Peters being at Rome may also doubt of this neither of them being necessarie to be beleeued as articles of faith but probable and coniecturall as matters of storie For some part of the storie is denyed by Augustine as how Peter fasted vpon the Saturday the combat betweene him and Simon Magus following vpon the Lords day after and thereupon rose the custome of the Saturday fast among the Romanes Est quidem saith he haec opinio plurimorum quamuis eam perhibeant esse falsam plerique Romani This is saith he a probable opinion of many concerning Peters fast yet the Romanes themselues thinke it to be false 3 That concerning Christs apparition to Peter seemeth to bee most vnlike of all and sauoureth somewhat of the Popish Legends Like vnto this are the tales of S. Christopher how he caried Christ and how S. Gregorie had him for one of his ghests at his table of hospitalitie such visions and apparitions of Christ are contrarie to the scriptures which say that the heauens must conteyne him till his comming agayne Bellarmine answereth first by this meanes wee doe compedes Christo inijcere wee fetter Christ in heauen We answere belike then heauen is a prison with the Iesuite God send all that are his such a prison at the length Agayne Christ is no otherwise concluded and shut vp in heauen then as it pleaseth himselfe and as he hath appoynted so to be 2 He obiecteth that Christ appeared neere vnto the earth to Paule We answere First there is no such thing proued out of the text but rather the contrarie that the voyce was heard from heauen not neere the earth but aboue Act. 22.6 Secondly Paule heard a voyce onely he sawe no man neither he nor the companie with him Act. 9.7 8. But onely a great light they sawe shining from heauen Act. 22.6 9. Therefore out of this place they cannot prooue any such real apparition of Christ. 3 Peter dyed at Rome his sepulchre is to be seene there to this day Ergo he was at Rome Bellarm. cap. 3. We answere First it followeth not if Peter were buried at Rome that therefore he dyed there for the translation of the bones and bodies of Martyrs is no vnusuall thing in your Church As it followeth not because Iohn Baptists head as you say is to be seene at S. Siluesters at Rome that therefore he dyed there so neither doth it followe of S. Peter 2 Agayne how shall wee beleeue you that it is S. Peters Sepulchre which is shewed at Rome seeing you haue made so many mockeries alreadie making the world beleeue that Peters bodie is sometime in one place sometime in an other Half his bodie you say is at S. Peters in Rome halfe at S. Paules his head at S. Iohn Laterane his neather iawe with the beard at Poicters in France many of his bones at Trieirs at Geneua part of his brayne You see that we may as well doubt whether Peters bodie bee at Rome as in any of these places And such as you see are our aduersaries arguments for Peters being at Rome The Protestants COncerning Peters being at Rome First wee doe not vtterly denye it but onely affirme that he could not come thither so soone as in the second yeare of Claudius and sit there so long namely fiue and twentie yeares as they hold Secondly it may bee graunted that he was there as a matter of storie not an article of faith Thirdly wee haue certayne doubts and arguments about some circumstances of his being there which our aduersaries are not able to answere 1 There is great disagreeing amongst the writers concerning the time of Peters comming to Rome Orosius sayth hee came thither in the beginning of Claudius raigne Hierome saith the 2. yeare of his raigne other say the fourth yeare other the thirteenth yeare Damasus would haue him come thither in Nero his raigne This dissention of writers sheweth that the matter may be iustly doubted of Fulk in Rom. 16. sect 4. Bellarmine and the Iesuites answere No more doe all agree concerning the time when the world was created nor for the storie of Christs life in what time euery thing was done when he suffered and such like yet it followeth not that those things were not true because there is some diuersitie about the time Rhemist 1. Pet. 5.13 Wee replie First most of these things concerning the chronologie of scripture though it be not necessarie to saluation yet by diligent search may be found in scripture Secondly if they can shewe any scripture for Peters being at Rome as we haue for the other stories we will beleeue it though the time perfectly be not knowne but seeing the scripture maketh no mention at all of his being there and the time is vncertayne we may worthilie doubt of it much lesse are bound necessarilie to beleeue it 2 The storie of Peters comming to Rome in the second yeare of Claudius his abiding at Rome fiue twentie yeres his death and martyrdome in the 14. yere of Nero and the 37. yeare after Christs ascension we proue out of the scriptures to bee false For Peter was at Ierusalem and in those quarters round about till 18. yeares after Christ for Paul sawe him there 3. yeares after his calling and agayne 14. yeares after that Galath 2. there is 17. yeares and one yeare was past before Pauls conuersion in all 18. yeares adde vnto these the 25. yeares of Peters being at Rome that maketh 43. yeares and so Peter should suffer in Vespasianus raigne and not in the time of Nero. Bellarmine and the Iesuites answere that Peter was at Rome seauen yeares before the Councel held at Ierusalem Act. 15. which was in the 18.
world part 8. Which cannot agree to the Pope Ergo he is not Antichrist Answere To these eight arguments we haue before answered seuerally shewing how fabulous ridiculous and impossible our aduersaries assertions are without ground of scripture shewe of reason or colour of argument Wherefore we will not trouble the reader with needlesse repetitions desiring him to haue recourse to that which hath been alreadie sayd The Protestants THat the Pope of Rome is very Antichrist and that all the qualities and properties which the scripture describeth Antichrist by doe fitly agree vnto his person and that we are not therefore to expect or looke for any other Antichrist Thus by testimonie of scripture and sufficient reasons deduced out of the same we trust it shall appeare to all men 1 The first place of scripture is Daniel 11. where many notes and markes are declared proper to Antichrist yet especiallie set foorth to describe Antiochus Epiphanes who might be very well a type and figure of Antichrist who was then to come 1 vers 36. It is sayd He shall doe what him listeth This is most true of the Pope his will must stande for reason Distinct. 96. cap. satis If the Pope should drawe infinite soules to hell no man is to say vnto him Sir why doe you so Distinct. 40 Heere Bellarmine hath but this poore shift to say that it is meant onely of publike iudgement that no man is by authoritie to call the Pope to account but yet a brotherly admonition may bee vsed But who seeth not that the words are generall Nemo debet ei dicere No man ought to say vnto him neither Iudge nor other 2 Hee shall magnifie himselfe agaynst GOD and speake blasphemous things agaynst GOD hath not the Pope done so Of him it is sayd that GOD and the Pope haue but one Consistorie I am able to doe almost all that GOD can doe Fox pag. 785. articl 192. I am aboue all and in all Hostiens Nay that Dominion and Lordship which Christ had in earth but habitu in habite the Pope hath actu in act and in deede Agayne as we reade the earth is the Lordes and the fulnesse thereof and as Christ sayth all power is giuen mee in heauen and in earth so is it to bee affirmed that the Vicar of Christ hath power on things celestiall terrestriall infernall apud Fox pag. 791. col 1. Now let the discreet reader iudge whether this fellowe doe not magnifie himselfe and speake blasphemously agaynst God 3 Hee shall prosper till the wrath bee accomplished So hath the Pope had but too good successe hee hath subdued Emperours and made them his seruants trode vpon their neckes made them serue at his table crowned them with his feete made them hold his stirrup and leade his horse by the bridle But wee doe hope that his date is out and that hee shall prosper no longer 4 vers 37. He shall not care for the God of his fathers No more doth the Pope for he hath inuented and erected a newe breaden god which he worshippeth hangeth vp in Churches carrieth about in procession being but a peece of bread This breaden god a might his forefathers neuer knew 5 Hee shall not care for the desires of women So hee prohibiteth lawfull marriage permitteth adulteries and the vnnaturall lust of Sodomites Bellarmine first denyeth the text which is faithfully translated according to the Hebrew Secondly he sayth the place is meant literally and properly of Antiochus who was giuen to the pleasures of women Answere First if it be meant literallie of Antiochus then can it not be meant literallie of your Antichrist If Antiochus be but a type of Antichrist then can you not necessarilie conclude out of this place for types prooue not vnlesse they be diuine that is appoynted of God to be types which you can not shewe for this place see then the best arguments that you haue for your Antichrist out of the prophecies of Daniel and Ezechiel are proued nothing worth Secondly as Antiochus was giuen to vnlawfull desires of women so is the Pope yet might he be an enemie to chast and holy marriage and so is the Pope And by the way let it bee noted that the Iesuite picketh quarrels with scripture and maketh it false for the text sayth He that is Antiochus shall not care for the desires of women Yes sayth the Iesuite he shall be giuen to the pleasures of women cleane contrarie to the text Bellarm. cap. 21. 6 vers 38. He shall honor his god Mauzzim that is a god of power and riches with gold siluer precious stones Both of these are most true of the popish religion for their god hath brought them great riches lands treasure possession by their idolatrous Masses they haue greatly enriched themselues wherein their breaden god playeth the chiefe part and therefore they doe worship him agayne with gold siluer precious stones what rich Corporals and Altar-clothes Copes Vestiments of veluet silke wrought with gold are seene in their Churches what gilding of Roodes and Roodlofts garnishing of Idols what rich Crucifixes of siluer of gold beset with pearle and precious stones This description therefore of Daniel as you see doth in euery respect agree with the conditions and properties of Antichrist of Rome Argument Illyrici Secondly Saint Paules description in euery poynt also is verified in the Pope First He shall exalt himselfe aboue God and all that is called God 2. Thess. 2.4 So the Pope challengeth the full authoritie of Christ as wee haue shewed before and exalteth himselfe aboue Emperours which are called gods vpon earth yea they haue taken the iust proportion of inequalitie betweene the Pope and Emperour for the Pope is 47. degrees aboue the Emperour as the Sunne is 47. degrees bigger then the Moone Innocent 3. in decretalib 2 He shall sit in the temple that is in the Church so the Pope nameth himselfe head of the Church and hath the keyes as he braggeth both of heauen and hell Therefore the Turke cannot bee that Antichrist because he is out of the Church and so in truth is the Pope but yet he challengeth to him and his the name of the Church 3 The mysterie wrought in Paules time and afterward encreased so not long after the Apostles time the Bishops of Rome began to lift vp their heads aboue other Churches as Zozimus falsified the Councel of Nice and sent to the 6. Councel of Carthage to haue it there confirmed that it might be lawfull to send vp appeales to Rome 4 Antichrist shall come with lying signes So hath the Pope done as experience proueth and we haue shewed before 5 vers 11. God shall send strong delusions that they shall beleeue lyes And in time of Poperie men indeede were so strongly deluded that the father persecuted the sonne the sonnes set fire to their father yea the husband was made a witnesse agaynst the wife the wife agaynst her husband and seruants accused their masters These things are
Spirit was not giuen him by measure Ioh. 3.34 and that the holy Ghost dwelleth in him bodily but it were great blasphemie so to say of any man Apostle or Minister beside which haue receiued of the same grace but not in the like measure that Christ hath but the spirit is giuen to euery one in measure as they haue neede in their seuerall places and callings Secondly though we should grant that the Apostles had the full authoritie of Christ actually to remit sinnes which they shall neuer proue yet it may be doubted whether al Ministers whom they call Priests which name we refuse not if it be taken according to the sense of the originall word Presbyter and not for a sacrificing priesthood haue as full power in this case as the Apostles had nay it is plaine they haue not for the Apostles and other in the Primitiue Church had power to discerne spirits 1. Cor. 12.10 and to giue actually the bodies of the excommunicate to bee vexed and possessed of the diuell 1. Cor. 5.5 and after a strange manner to exercise power ouer their bodily life as Peter did vpon Ananias and Sapphira Act. 5 Yet we rather stand vpon this poynt that neither the Apostles nor any other Ministers haue power actually to remit sinnes then onely as dispensers and stewards in the name of Christ. The Protestants AL the power of binding and loosing committed to the Apostles and to the Ministers of the word and Sacraments is by declaring the will and pleasure of God out of his word both to pronounce forgiuenes of sinnes to all that are truely penitent the reteining of them to the obstinate and impenitent Fulk annot Iohn 20. sect 3. So that Ministers are not made iudges in this case but only as the Lords ambassadors to declare the will of God out of his word 1 There is a notable place for this purpose 2. Corinth 5.18 God hath reconciled vs vnto himselfe through Iesus Christ and hath giuen vs the ministerie of reconciliation So then Christ is the onely author of reconciliation the Apostles are but ministers how then say the Rhemists that Christ himselfe is but a minister also of our reconciliation yet a chiefe minister whereas the Apostle maketh him the author God was in Christ reconciling the world to himselfe vers 19. Wee are but ambassadors for Christ and pray you in Christs stead to bee reconciled vnto God this then is the office of Ministers not to reconcile men vnto God but to pray them to bee reconciled through Christ Christ onely is the reconciler they but ministers of reconciliation They are but messengers and ambassadors onely to declare their Princes pleasure their commission is certaine beyond that they cannot goe Wherefore that is a blasphemous decretal and cleane contrarie to the scripture which is ascribed but falsely to Pontianus Bishop of Rome which sayth that God hath Priests so familiar that by them he forgiueth the sinnes of others and reconcileth them vnto him Fox pag. 59. But S. Paul sayth that God onely by Christ reconcileth vs vnto himselfe 2 Augustine doth very freely vtter his minde concerning this matter who putteth this obiection If men doe not forgiue sinnes then it should seeme to be false which Christ sayth Whatsoeuer you bind in earth is bound in heauen He answereth Daturus erat dominus hominibus spiritum sanctum c. God was to giue vnto men the holy Ghost by whom their sinnes should be forgiuen them Spiritus dimittit non vos spiritus autem Deus est Deus ergo dimittit non vos the spirit therefore remitteth sinne and not you the spirit is God God forgiueth sinnes and not you Here is one argument God onely forgiueth sinnes Ergo not man Againe Quides homo nisi aeger sanandus vis mihi esse medicus mecum quaere medicum O man what art thou that takest away my sinnes but a sicke man thy selfe wouldest thou be my phisition nay let vs both together goe seeke a phisition that may heale vs. Lo another argument He cannot be a phisition to others that needeth a phisition himselfe he cannot reconcile others to God who hath himselfe neede of a reconciler Further he sayth Qui dimittit per hominem potest dimittere praeter hominem non enim minus est idoneus per se dare qui potest per alium dare He that can forgiue sinnes by man can forgiue also without man for he may as well forgiue by himselfe as he can doe it by another Here is then the third argument If man doe actually forgiue sinnes then Christ should not forgiue sinnes without man for the whole power is committed to man Yea the Rhemists affirme the same that it is necessarie we should submit our selues to the iudgement of the Priest for release of our sinnes if it bee necessarie then sinnes cannot be remitted without the Priest then is Christs power limited he cannot forgiue without man which is contrarie to that Augustine affirmeth here THE FOVRTH PART WHETHER STRAIGHT waies whatsoeuer be loosed or bound by the ministerie of men vpon earth be so in heauen The Papists AN expresse power say they is giuen vnto Priests to remit and reteyne error 76 sinnes And Christ promiseth that whose sinnes soeuer they forgiue they are forgiuen of God and whose sinnes soeuer they retaine they are retained of God Rhemist annot Iohn 20. sect 5. Whereby it appeareth it is their opinion which is manifest also by the practise of their Church that at the will and pleasure of euerie priest exercising the keyes vpon earth men are bound and loosed in heauen They ground this their opinion vpon the generalitie of the wordes Whosoeuers sinnes you remit they are remitted Iohn 20.23 and Math. 18.18 Whatsoeuer you binde in earth shall be bound in heauen Answere These places are not so to be vnderstood as though God were bound to ratifie euery decree of men vpon earth for first this power is giuen to all lawfull pastors which doe holde the Apostolike fayth not to Idolatrous ignorant and blasphemous priests such as most if not all of the popish sorte are Secondly they must decree in the earth according to Gods wil Wherefore Iohn 20.22 first Christ breatheth his spirite vpon his Apostles and then giueth them their commission signifiyng hereby that they must execute this power as they shall be directed by Gods spirite and Matth. 18.20 it followeth that they must be assembled in the name of Christ that is according to Christs rule and the direction of his word they must binde and loose and not at their owne discretion The Protestants THat no sentence or decree of men bindeth or looseth before God in heauen but that which is pronounced according to the will and pleasure of GOD and by the warrant of his worde the scripture euery where teacheth vs. 1 Prouer. 26.2 As the sparrow by flying escapeth so the curse that is causelesse shall not come Isay 5.20 Woe vnto them that speake good
notwithstanding for popish inuocation of Angels for the Angel here coÌ„mendeth not the prayers of the Saints by his merit but by the much incense giuen vnto him to ad to the prayers of the Saints to make them acceptable which is the sweete smell and sauour of the precious dâ—ath and merites of Christ. Fulk in hunc locum Augustine indeede sometime ascribeth such an office vnto the Angelles to carry vp our prayers to Heauen as their charge is to carry vp our soules not as mediatours or intercessors but as the Lords messengers and agents here vpon earth to reporte vnto him our affaires dicuntur Angeli preces nostras vota Deo offerre non vt deum doceant qui omnia antequam fiant nouit sed vt super his dei voluntatem consulant The Angelles are said to offer vp our prayers and vowes vnto God not to informe or instruct the Lord but onely to consult and know his pleasure tom 9. de dilection Cap. 3. in Psalm 74. for the Angels haue two offices the one to execute the commaundement of God in the world and to attend vpon him to receiue their charge Math. 18.10 the other to returne vnto God as faithfull messengers the successe of their busines in the worlde Zechar. 1.10 Now whether the Angelles be appointed of God to report vnto him our sayings and doings as other affaires of our life the scripture no where euidently sheweth Neither if it were graunted would it any thing helpe their popish inuocation of Angelles Rhemist alleadge Tob. 12.12 to proue the offering of our prayers by Angelles Answer It is neither canonicall Scripture nor agreeable vnto it Fulk annot Coloss. 2. sect 3. The Protestants THe scripture alwayes maketh Christ our onely Mediator neither Angelles nor Saints by whome our prayers and all other spirituall sacrifices are offered vnto God Fulk ibid. 1 Hebrew 13.15 Let vs by him offer the sacrifice of praise alwayes to God 1. Peter 2.5 You are an holy priesthoode to offer vp spirituall sacrifices acceptable to God by Iesus Christ. Ergo Christ Iesus is our onely Mediator Secondly Galatian 3.19 The Lawe was ordayned by Angelles in the hand of a Mediator Ergo the Angelles are one office and the Mediator another Augustine sayeth Quòd non aliquem ex Angelis dicit Mediatorem sed ipsum Dominum nostrum Iesum Christum habes alio loco vnus inquit Deus vnus mediator Dei hominum homo Christus Iesus That the Apostle calleth not any of the Angels but only Iesus Christ our Lord Mediator we haue in another place There is one God saith he and one Mediator of God and man the Man Iesus Christ. AN APPENDIX OR THIRD PART of this question whether Angelles or Saints know our heartes The Papists THe Angelles and other Celestiall spirites doe knowe our heartes and inwarde repentance And betweene the Angelles and the blessed soules of Saintes there is no difference in this case the one being as highly exalted and neere God as the other in whome and by whome only they see and know our affaires Luke 15.10 There is ioy in heauen in the presence of the Angelles ouer one sinner that repenteth Ergo they know our repentaunce Rhemist Lu. 15. Sect. 2. Ans. 1 Our heartes and inward repentance are not knowen to the Angelles but by the fruites and true effectes thereof 2 Although the elect after the resurrection shal be like in glorie to the Angelles yet it followeth not that they shall be like in all thinges much lesse that their soules now in heauen be in all thinges like vnto the Angelles whose presence and Ministerie God vseth in the preseruation of his chosen 3 That all thinges done in the worlde may be seene in God as in a glasse is but a prophane speculation and the deuise of an ydle braine Fulk ibid. Argum. 2 Abraham had knowledge of things in earth which were not in his time as that they had Moyses and the Prophetes bookes which hee neuer sawe Luk. 16. ver 29. Rhemist Answere First In this narration many thinges are spoken parabolically out of the which we must not ground any doctrine not taught els where in scripture for you may aswell say that soules haue fingers and tounges and that elementall water wil quench hell fire as that Abraham knew what books were written after his death Secondly Albeit that the doctrine of the Church comprehended in the scriptures might be reuealed to Abraham after his death yet it followeth not that he knew all thinges as you affirme the saintes doe by beholding the Maiestie of God Fulk annot ibid. The saintes therefore in heauen knowe so much as the Lord thinketh good to reueale vnto them they knowe not all things The Protestants WE deny not but that as Prophetes and holy men in this life may knowe many secret thinges reuealed vnto them by the spirit of God as Peter found out the secret fraude of Ananias Sapphirae Eliseus being absent found out Gehezi his corruption yea hee could tell what was doone in the King of Syria his chamber so the Lord may reueale vnto the saintes in heauen at his pleasure some thinges done vpon earth But that they receiued any such gift of God to know all thinges done vpon earth it is a great vntrueth and cleane contrary to the scriptures 1. Salomon sayeth in his prayer vnto God Heare thou in heauen in thy dwelling place and giue vnto euery man according to his wayes as thou knowest his heart for thou onely knowest the hearts of all the children of men 1. King 8.39 Out of this place we thus reason he only knoweth the heart that is the Iudge of all men and a rewarder of them according to their wayes But the Lord onely is iudge Ergo. Againe the wordes themselues be plaine that God onely knoweth the heart so that what knowledge of secrets the Saintes haue it is by reuelation not by searching the heart Againe S. Paul saith No man knoweth the thinges of man saue the spirit of man which is in him so the thinges of God knoweth no man but the spirite of God 1. Corinth 1.11 the Rhemist aunswer that no man knoweth the secrets of the heart naturally but by extraordinary gift he may as the Prophets did Ans. No man euer had or can haue a generall gift to know the heart but when God seeth it good to reueale it for otherwise the comparison holdeth not The spirit of God onely knoweth the things of God which also is giuen to men to know but not by receiuing any gift to search and looke into the nature and heart as it were of God for then should they knowe all the secrets of God which neuer any did but onely by reuelation of the spirite which openeth Gods secrets vnto them so farre as it is conuenient and needfull Euen after the same manner the spirite of God may reueale the secrets of the heart of man not by giuing them a generall gift
them selues to looke into the heart as into a glasse but by reuealing such thinges when the Lord seeth it expedient Neither had the prophets an inherent gift and dwelling in them to know secrets but the worde of God was inspired into them at times as they had neede as we see in Nathan 2. Sam. 7.3.4 in Elisha 2. King 2.15 in Isaiah 2. Kin. 20.4 And though Paul was taken vp into heauen and sawe many secrets yet he knew not all for thus he saith of him selfe If I knew all secretes 1. Corinth 13.2 Ergo no man euer receiued this gift to search the heart but it is proper vnto God who will not giue his honour to another 2. Augustine saith Nescire mortuos quid hic agatur dum hic agitur that the dead know not what is done here while it is in doing But they vnderstand either by relation of those that departe this worlde or els by the Angels Non quidem omnia sed quae sinuntur indicare sicut Prophetae nec hic omnia cognoscebant sed quae illis essereuelanda dei prouidentia iudicarat de cura pro mortuis cap. 15. Neither do they know all things but what God suffereth to be knowen as neither did the Prophets knowe al things while they liued but what God in his diuine prouidence thought good to reueale vnto them I note out of this saying of Augustine three thinges FIRST What great vncertaintie of opinion heere is Howe the dead should come by the knowledge of humane affaires the Papists think they haue it by Gods gift otherwhile they say they see all thinges in God as in a cleare glasse Augustine sayeth they knowe them by the Angelles or by men newly departed this lyfe so that it appeareth to bee but a meer conceit and imagination that they haue any such knowledge whereof there is no surer ground Secondly Augustine saith they know not things presently done but afterward contrarie to the Papists Thirdly they know not all things as the Prophets also did not but what the Lord reuealeth vnto them wherein also he is contrarie to our aduersaries THE THIRD QVESTION CONCERNING THE worship of Angels first in generall then in particular of inuocation The Papists THey say that the diuine honour and adoration due vnto God alone is not to be giuen to Angels But there is a religious reuerence honour and adoration which is not to be denyed to Angels and Saints Rhemist annot Apocalyps 19. sect 4. 1 Iosua fell downe before the Angel and worshipped Iosua 5. Rhemist Ans. He worshipped not an Angel but the Lord Christ himselfe the captaine of the Lords armie for it was a diuine worship He is bid to put off his shooes as Moses was when God appeared out of the fierie bush Exod. 3. But a diuine worship by your owne confession is due onely to God Fulk annot Coloss. 2.3 2. 1. Timoth. 2.21 I charge thee before God and the Lord Iesus Christ and his elect Angels that thou obserue these things Ergo Angels may be adored and reuerenced Rhemist Ans. Saint Paul maketh here the Angels witnesses of his waightie charge so Moses calleth heauen and earth to witnesse Deut. 30.19 may we therefore conclude that he yeelded any religious worship to heauen and earth Fulk ibid. The Protestants AS for due reuerence which is of loue not of any seruice there is no question but we ought to yeeld it vnto the Angels But all religious seruice or worship is due onely to God and whosoeuer man or Angel requireth or receiueth any religious worship or seruice vsurpeth that which is due vnto God Fulk Apocal. 19. sect 4. 1 Apocal. 19.10 and 22.9 Iohn fell downe to worship the Angel but the Angel suffered him not See thou doe it not saith he for I am thy fellowe seruant and of thy brethren worship God Ergo Angels are not to be adored with any religious worship Rhemist First he forbiddeth him onely to worship him with diuine adoration Ans. The words are generall he sayth not worship God with this kind of seruice but worship God Rhemist Secondly you say that Iohn so worthie an Apostle was not ignorant of that poynt that Angels were not to be worshipped as God we may replye also that if Iohn had knowne that this other kind of seruice was vnlawfull he would not haue done it Ans. Iohn sinned not of ignorance but of forgetfulnes in this extasie of his mind while he beheld the glorie of the Angel as likewise through his frailenes and forgetfulnes he committeth the like againe cap. 22. which Iohn would not haue done being once before admonished had he not presently forgotten himselfe But the other error of worshipping the creature for the Creator was too grosse an error for the Apostle Rhemist Thirdly he was deceiued in the person taking the Angel for Christ and therefore was not culpable at all in this fact in giuing diuine honour to the Angel for he sinned onely materially not formally Ans. First Iohn was not ignorant that he was an Angel and not Christ for he sayth he was one of the seuen Angels that had the seuen vials Secondly though he sinned of ignorance yet was it a sinne for the Prophet which beleeued the olde Prophet sinned grieuously as it appeared by his punishment though he did it ignorantly 1. King 13. Wherefore it is a grosse error of your Schoolemen that say a man sinneth not if he worship the diuell in the shape of an Angel ignorantly Rhemist Fourthly the Angel would not receiue this worship at Iohns hand whom he knew to be in great fauour with God and greater then some Angel Ans. First though hereafter the childrē of God shal be made equall to the Angels in glorie yet in this mortall life they must needes be inferiour seeing Christ himself in respect of his passion was inferiour to the Angels Heb. 2.9 Secondly the Angel would not haue taken this homage at any other mans hands beside Iohn for he giueth a reason that he is not only his fellow seruant but also of his brethren So for al their shifts and cauils we strongly conclude by this example that no religious honour ought to be giuen to Angels 2 Honoramus Angelos charitate non seruitute sayth Augustine nec eis templa construimus We honour Angels with the duetie of loue not of seruice neither doe we build temples vnto them Quod ergo colit summus Angelus id colendum etiam est ab homine vltimo That therefore which is worshipped of the highest Angel the man of lowest degree ought also to worship De vera religion cap. 55. Ergo no worship due vnto Angels but all vnto God THE SECOND PART OF THE INVOcation of Angels The Papists THey hold that it is lawfull to direct our praiers vnto Angels Rhemist Coloss 2. sect 3. Yea and because they pray for vs and deale with God to procure mercie for vs they may iustly be called our aduocates Angels are deputed for our protection
one for another is commaunded and requyred of God as the other is not Wherefore to run vnto saints and not vnto Christ is to doubt either of his readines or ability to helpe vs. 3 Iohn 16.26 Christ saith that after he hath by his mediation and intercession brought vs into the fauour of God In that day shall you aske the Father in my name and I say not that I will pray to the Father for you for the Father himselfe loueth you If then the prayer of Christ to God his Father shall not then be needfull what vse is there of the prayer of other creatures Fulk 1. Tim. 2. sect 4. Augustine saith Pro quo nullus interpellat ipse pro omnib hic vnus verusque Mediator est lib. 2. cont Parmenian cap. 8. He for whome no man prayeth but him selfe entreateth for all men he is the onely true Mediator Ergo saintes no mediators and therefore not to be prayed vnto THE SECOND PART WHETHER THE Saints departed do pray for vs. The Papists error 29 THat the saints in heauen do not onely pray in general but particularly for vs ready in all our needs by their prayer and mediation to assist vs thus they would proue it Argum. 1. 2. Pet. 1.15 I wil endeuour saith the Apostle that you may haue remembrance of these thinges after my departure Peter promiseth to be careful of them and to pray for them after his departure Rhemist ibid. Bellarm. cap. 18. Ans. This which here the Apostle promiseth he performeth in writing this Epistle whereby they might be put in remembrance when hee was gone And therefore he saith ver 13. I think it meete so long as I am in this Tabernacle to stir you vp by putting you in remembrance he acknowledgeth now only to be the time wherein he may do them good and therefore deferreth it not There is no sillable which soundeth that way that he would pray for them after his dissolution Argum. 2 Apocal. 5.8 The 24. Elders are said to haue golden vialles ful of odors which are the prayers of the saints Rhemist in hunc locum Ergo the Saints in heauen do pray for vs. Ans. The 24 Elders do represent the Church Militant vpon earth whose conuersation is in heauen and they do continually offer vp their prayers And that the place is so to be vnderstoode it appeareth verse 10. Thou hast made vs Kinges and priests and we shall raigne vpon the earth that is their kingdome is spirituall in fighting against and ouercomming the concupiscence of the flesh and all carnall desires The Protestants THat the blessed Saintes doe sing vnto the praise of God in heauen and doe magnifie the Lord and praise him with a new song of thankesgiuing which is a kinde of prayer we deny not Apocal. 5.9 and that they haue a general desire and longing both for vs for themselues and all the elect of God that the day of our refreshing were come and that all the people of God were ioyned in one and their enemies vanquished and destroyed we learne also out of the scripture Apocal. 6.9 But that they should offer vp our speciall prayers make particular request for vs to God it no where in the scripture is found but rather the contrary Argum. 1. The scripture no where testifieth that the Saints in such manner do pray for vs Ergo we may safely be ignorant of it nay it were great presumption without scripture to beleeue it Argum. 2 The Saints departed know not our wants nor what is done in the earth The liuing know that they shall die but the dead knowe nothing at all Eccles. 9.5 But of this more shall be said in the next part See Augustine of this matter contro 8. quaest 2. part 3. THE THIRD PART WHETHER THE Saints vnderstand our prayers and be alwaies at hand to helpe vs. The Papists THey affirme 3. things which they are driuē to graunt by necessity of Argument while they stifly mantaine inuocation of Saints For first they graunt error 30 that they know our hearts and our inward repentaunce and secret thoughtes for otherwise it would not auaile to pray vnto them yet not of themselues but by the reuelation of God Bellarm. cap. 20. Ans. We deny not but that God may reueale vnto them some things at his pleasure but heereof it followeth not that they know all our affaires and heare all our prayers Againe what a preposterous order is this and superfluous God first reuealeth vnto them our prayers and then they solicite God in our behalfe I praye you what neede this seeing God knoweth our prayers First why is he not as ready of himselfe to graunt our requestes as to staye till he be entreated Secondly seeing it were in vaine to pray to Saints if they had not power to help vs they also are vrged to confesse that the saints are patrones of men and haue the gouernment of the worlde committed to them yea that they may receiue others into the kingdome of heauen Argum. 1. Apocal. 2.26 To him that ouercommeth wil I giue power ouer nations and he shall rule ouer them with a rod of Iron Ergo the saints haue the gouernment of men committed vnto them Rhemist ibid. Bellarm. cap. 18. Ans. The power which our Sauiour heere promiseth is the participation of his kingly inheritance first spiritually to ouercome the world by faith in this life and after this life they shall be set in ful possession of his royall inheritance The Rod of Iron is the worde of God which is also called a two edged sword whereby they execute vengeance vpon the heathen Psal. 149.7 It is the sword of the spirite whereby the wicked shall be destroyed Augustin expoundeth it to be the rod of Iustice whereby the good are corrected and the wicked broken in peeces Homil. 2. in Apocal. Argum. 2 Luke 16.9 Make you friends of the vnrighteous Mammon that when they need they may receiue you into euerlasting habitations see the saints may receiue their friends and benefactours into their eternal mansions Rhemist ibid. Ans. 1 Almes bestowed vpon the poore do procure their prayers but not their patronage 2 The wordes are thus parabolically to bee vnderstoode They shall receiue you that is shall giue testimony of you and your almes shall be a testimony of your charity and proceeding from a liuely faith shall euerlastingly be rewarded 3 That it is not meant of the persons but of the worke it is plaine because almes which issue from a true faith shall be rewarded at the Lords hand though bestowed vpon an hypocrite Fulk ibid. Thirdly They also hold that the saints at their pleasure can be present with their bodies and be amongst vs and so heare our praiers Bellarm. cap. 20. Argum. 1 Otherwise the saints should be fettered as it were in heauen if they remaine and be kept all in one place Ans. They are not fettered when they are limited by the Lord to a place see also what
as much as Bernard sayth whose speech they themselues allow In sacrameÌ„to exhiberi veram carnis Christi substantiaÌ„ sed spiritualiter non carnaliter that the very substance of Christs flesh is exhibited vnto vs in the sacrament but spiritually not carnally This Bellarmine acknowledgeth to bee true though hee would not haue the worde spiritually to bee vsed lest it might bee as hee sayth by vs misconstrued This then is our fayth and iudgement that wee are verilie in this sacrament engrafted into the bodie of Christ and doe truely eate his flesh and drink his blood but all this is done spirituallie onely and by faith As for their carnall eating and deuouring of Christ we vtterlie reiect and condemne it Argum. 1. In the receiuing of the sacrament there is a double coniunction we are ioyned to Christ make one body also amongst our selues so saith S. Paul 1. Cor. 10.16.17 We are made partakers of the body of Christ and wee that are many are one bread and one body but our participation with the mysticall bodie of Christ is spirituall Ergo also our communication with his naturall body Fulk in hunc locum Arg. 2. If the body of Christ be in the sacrament theÌ„ is it eaten torne with the teeth And what is eaten goeth into the belly is cast out into the draught Mark 7.19 I pray you what is now become of the body of Christ doth it passe the same way that other meates doe Bellarm. answereth lib. 1. cap. 11. ad argum 5. that they are the accidents of the bread and wine which are eaten and chawen or rent by the teeth not the body of Christ and yet the body of Christ goeth down into the stomack but no further but when the formes of bread wine begin to be corrupted there the body of Christ goeth away Bellarm. cap. 14. Ans. 1. This is new learning that the accidents of meate are chawen in the mouth not the meate it selfe that the formes only not the substance is altred corrupted in the stomack Say also that men are nourished with accidents not with the substance If the priest chance to drink too deepe of the chalice and so become drunk I pray you what is it that maketh him so light headed Is it think you the accidents onely of wine Surely a drunken man would not say it If a Mouse chance to creepe into your pixe and fil her hungry belly with your God-amight what is it that the Mouse feedeth vpon trow you they bee accidents onely for you say that the consecrated host goeth no further then the stomack and yet it is too much that the housel of Christians should be housed in a mouses belly These are but ridiculous and light questions yet such as haue troubled your grauest and sagest heads and remayne vnanswered 2. Bellarmin denieth that the body of Christ being eaten goeth any further then the stomack But our Rhemists goe further they say that we are made a peece of his body and blood They should rather haue sayd that his body and blood is made a peece of vs being conuerted into our substance But silly men we pitie them If we should presse them still with these questions they would sooner run mad then find out any reasonable and sober answere for vs. Argum. 3. Christ in his flesh is ascended vp to heauen and there must remayne till his comming againe Act. 3.21 Agayne he saith The poore you shal haue alwayes but me alwayes you cannot haue Mark 14. Ergo Christ being now in his humanity in heauen cannot bee present in the sacrament vpon earth Bellarmine answereth that the carnall presence of Christ doth not draw him out of heauen his naturall bodie remaineth there still yet by his omnipotent power he can make his bodie to be in many places at once cap. 14. Ans. If Christs bodie be in heauen and in earth and in many places at once it must either be his owne naturall bodie which was borne of the Virgine Mary or he must euery day create himselfe a new bodie but this were to too absurd to be granted that euery day there should be a new Christ. Neither can the first be admitted for a natural bodie hath a natural presence but so hath not Christs bodie in the Sacrament for it is not there naturally being without shape or forme neither visible nor sensible And how can it stand with the propertie of a true naturall bodie to be in a thousand places at once for so must Christs needs be and in more too seeing he is kept and hanged vp in euery popish Church And further if totus Christus whole Christ be in the Sacrament both with his bodie and soule you must either graunt that there are many whole Christs seeing he is in many places at once or els if there be but one whole Christ his humanitie must be dispersed euery where as his Godhead is and so are you against your wils become Vbiquitaries Hearken what Augustine sayth Cauendum est ne ita diuinitatem adstruamus hominis vt veritatem corporis auferamus We must take heede we doe not so maintaine the diuine nature of the man Christ that we take away the nature of his bodie Argum. 4. The fathers in the law did eate the same spiritual meate and drinke the same spirituall drinke in their Sacraments that we doe 1. Corinth 10.2.3 but they did not eate the flesh of Christ nor drinke his blood but onely spiritually by faith Ergo no more doe we Argum. 5. There remained wine still after the consecration and distribution amongst the Apostles for Christ saith He will drinke no more of the fruite of the vine Math. 26.29 So S. Paul calleth the other element bread after the consecration 1. Corinth 10.17 We that are many are one bread because we are partakers of one bread Likewise cap. 11.26 Ergo there remaineth still bread and wine in the Sacrament And therefore no bodie of Christ for they cannot be there both together as they teach Lastly we must vnderstand that this their deuised and forged opinion of the reall presence of Christ is of no antiquitie in the Church neither was there any question about it for a 1000. yeeres after Christ til the time of Berengarius who liued about Anno. 1060. who was sore troubled for maintaining the truth against the carnall presence and vnder Pope Leo the 9. and Nicholas the 2. was constrained twise to recant yet there was no publique lawe or decree made in the Church concerning transubstantiation till the Councel of Laterane which was held vnder Pope Innocent the 3. Anno. 1215. And that this grosse opinion fauoureth not a whit of antiquitie it may appeaâ—e by the resolute iudgement of Augustine Sacramenta ex similitudine ipsarum rerum nomina habent secundum quendam moduÌ„ sacramentuÌ„ corporis Christi corpus Christi est c. The Sacraments because of some likenes doe beare the
questions wherein we dissent from our aduersaries both as touching all the offices of Christ his propheticall office kingdome and priesthood as likewise concerning the benefites purchased by the death of Christ the benefites of our redemption and saluation Now in the last place we are to prosecute such matters in question betweene vs as doe concerne the natures of Christ. And this treatise containeth three controuersies First of the humane nature of Christ. Secondly of his diuine nature Thirdly of them both considered together THE EIGHTEENTH GENERAL CONTROVERSIE CONCERNING THE HVMANE NATVRE OF CHRIST THis Controuersie is diuided into these questions First of the vbiquitie of the humanitie of Christ. Secondly whether he encreased in wisedome Thirdly whether he suffered in soule Fourthly whether he descended into Hell Fiftly concerning the place of Hell THE FIRST QVESTION OF THE VBIQVITIE OF the bodie of Christ whether his humanitie be euery where The Papists THey doe seeme in words mightily to impugne this opinion of the Vbiquitaries error 97 as they are called which doe erroniously hold that the humanitie of Christ is euery where as his deitie is and that the properties of one nature are really imparted vnto the other whereupon it followeth that the humanitie of Christ is euery where because it is verely vnited and made one person with the Godhead in Christ. This opinion the Papists would be thought to detest and abhorre and the Iesuite bestoweth great paines by sundrie arguments to confute it as by diuers places of scripture Math. 28. He is risen he is not here vers 6. Iesus sayd Lazarus is dead and I am glad for your sakes that I was not there Ioh. 11.4 Ergo Christ as he is man is not euery where Againe the opinion of the Vbiquitaries doth ouerthrow the article of Christs ascension for if Christs bodie be euery where as they hold he can neither ascend nor descend Bellarm. de Incarnation verbi lib. 3. cap. 11.12 The Protestants IT is true Catholique and sound doctrine that the humane and diuine nature are truely vnited in Christ and doe make but one person or hypostasis neither by confusion of the natures nor conuersion of one into the other but by vnitie of person for as the bodie and soule make one man so God and man is one Christ. And the better to vnderstand this mysterie we must set downe these three positions 1. Though the two natures in Christ be so vnited that they make but one person yet neither the natures are confounded nor yet the properties but as Christ is both God and man so there is in him a double power will and vnderstanding one humane and created the other diuine and vncreated 2. By reason of this vnion all the excellent graces of the spirit in the highest degree and aboue measure are giuen and bestowed vpon the humanitie of Christ Ioh. 3.34 but such notwithstanding as destroy not his humane nature but are qualities created as his humanitie also was created 3. There is also a mutuall communication of the proprieties of both natures each to other though not really in respect of the natures So we say in Concreto in the concrete that is taking the whole person of Christ that Christus homo that is the man Christ is omnipotent is euery where and Christus Deus that is Christ being God died for vs was buried rose againe but in the abstract it is great blasphemie to say that the Godhead of Christ died was buried or rose againe or that the humanitie of Christ is omnipotent or in euery place The Vbiquitaries now hold that there is a reall communication of the proprieties of both natures therfore doubt not to say that the flesh and bodie of Christ is euery where in all places at once The Papists in outward shew are enemies to that opinion but indeed and in truth as it shall now appeare they are not farre off from being in the same error First the same arguments which they vrge against the Vbiquitaries doe returne vpon themselues for although they will not say that Christs bodie is euerie where yet they hold that it may bee in a thousand places at once yea and more to if the Sacrament be at once in so many places celebrated for Christs bodie is reallie and verely in the Sacrament But those places alleadged He is risen he is not heere and the rest doe proue that Christ can be but in one place at once This their opinion also is against the article of Christs ascension and abiding in heauen till the day of iudgement for if the same bodie wherein Christ sitteth in heauen be in the Sacrament either when he is present in earth he is absent in heauen contrary to the scripture Act. 3.21 which sayth The heauens must containe him till that all things be restored or els if he be in both places at once they must needes make his bodie infinite and so destroy the nature of his humanitie which can be but in one place If they say it is another bodie and flesh which Christ by his diuine power maketh to bee present in the Sacrament that were much more absurd for then Christ should haue many bodies and other flesh then that which was borne of the Virgine Mary We see then they are not farre off from the opinion of the Vbiquitaries 2. The Rhemists doe approue that argument whereby Hierome proueth that the Saints may euery where be present at their bodies monuments They follow the Lambe whither soeuer he goeth but the Lambe is in euery place therefore they that be with the Lambe Christ be present euery where Whereupon it followeth that the Lambe Christ in humanitie must be euery where for how can he be present els in innumerable places at once where any reliques or monuments of Saints are Neither can they excuse this vbiquitarie presence of the humanitie of Christ and the soules of Saints by their agilitie and celeritie because they can quickly passe from one place to another for if they must bee present at their monuments whensoeuer they are called vpon they must of necessitie be often in many places at once for in one and the same instant men may resort to their monuments which are in diuers places farre asunder Thus they are driuen not onely to graunt an vbiquitie or omnipresence of the humanitie of Christ but euen of Saints also which those whom they call Vbiquitaries would neuer graunt 3. The bodie of Christ is visible and palpable now in heauen and hath a place according to the quantitie of his bodie Bellarmine confesseth as much cap. 12. But that bodie which is in the Sacrament hath none of these properties it is neither seene nor felt neither hath a place according to the quantitie of a bodie for they close it vp in small round cakes Wherfore destroying these properties of the humanitie of Christ they may as well and do in effect take away the other namely the being of Christs bodie in
of them hold great scorne to be named Papists yet I see no reason why they should so doe The Rhemists like this name well enough because it is not deriued from any one man but from their Popes and chiefe Bishops to whom say they we are bound to cleaue in Religion and obey in all things So to be a Papist say they is to be a Christian man a child of the Church and a subiect to Christs Vicar Seeing then this name pleaseth their ghostly fathers of Rhemes so well there is no reason why they should mislike it and therefore we will vse it still as best expressing their profession who are pinned vpon the Popes sleeue for their faith and Religion As likewise the name of Protestants we refuse not which name I thinke tooke beginning in England in King Henry the eights daies when there was a generall protestation made in the name of the King the whole Councel and Clergie of England against the Pope In the which protestation thus we finde England hath taken her leaue of popish crafts for euer neuer to be deluded with them hereafter Romane Bishops haue nothing to doe with English people the one doth not traffique with the other at the least though they will haue to deale with vs we will none of their marchandise none of their stuffe Thus we see how a Papist and a Protestant are defined A Papist is he that cleaueth to the Pope in Religion and is obedient to him in all things A Protestant is he that professeth the Gospell of Iesus Christ and hath renounced the iurisdiction of the sea of Rome and the forced and vnnaturall obedience to the Pope These names therefore as best fitting both our professions seeing no cause to the contrary I purpose euery where to vse and retaine throughout this Treatise I would here finish and make an end of this Preface but that first I must make the Reader acquainted with the order and methode which I haue followed in setting downe the controuersies The whole bodie therefore of the controuersies betweene the Papists and vs our worthie and learned countriman D. Whitakers hath digested and disposed into a singular Methode the which I haue propounded to my selfe throughout this discourse to obserue The heresies and errours therefore of Poperie doe either impugne the offices of Christ with his benefites and merites or his person the most of them are of the first kinde some errours they maintaine against his person but not many First the name of Christ sheweth his offices for it signifieth annointed he was annointed to be our Prophet King and Priest Iesus betokeneth a Sauiour and setteth forth the benefites of our redemption and saluation First then of his offices and then of the benefites that do arise and spring thereof The first office of our Sauiour Christ is to be our heauenly teacher and Prophet His heauenly doctrine is conteined no where els but in the Scriptures The first generall controuersie then must be of the Scriptures where there arise many questions as of the Canonicall bookes of the Scripture of the vulgare translation of Scripture of the perspicuitie and plainenesse authoritie interpretation and perfection of Scripture with such other The second office of Christ is to be our King and because his kingdome is his Church here we are to handle the controuersies about the Church Which is either the Church Militant vpon earth or the Church Triumphant in heauen The Church militant is to be considered either in generall where these questions are moued what the Church is whether it be visible or not by what markes it is knowen whether it may erre what authoritie it hath Then the parts of the Church which are either assembled and gathered together as in generall Councels where these doubts must be discussed whether generall Councels be necessary by whom they ought to be summoned whether they can erre whether the Pope be aboue Councels or not and such like Or els the parts of the church are seuerally to be considered and they are of three sortes either the chiefe parts the middle and meane parts the lowest and basest parts of the Church The chiefe member they make to be the Pope where there are many questions and of great waight as whether the regiment of the Church be Monarchicall whether Peter were appointed head of the Church whether the Pope be Peters successour whether he may erre whether the Pope be Antichrist with such other The middle parts are their Clerkes which are either secular as they call them which haue any Ecclesiasticall function where we must enquire of their election degrees of their single life and such like the Regular Clerkes are their Monkes and other of that profession where we must entreat of vowes of their solitarie life their habite their Canonicall houres with other matters The lowest members are the lay men where the questions about the Ciuill Magistrate must be handled as whether he may put heretikes to death whether he haue any power and authoritie in Ecclesiasticall matters and hetherto of the Militant Church The triumphant Church consisteth either of Angels or other Saints departed Concerning the Angels we dissent about the orders and degrees of them about their ministerie and office and whether they are to be prayed vnto Concerning the Saints departed there are many questions in controuersie as of Purgatory Lymbus Patrum whether they are to be praied vnto of their Reliques Images Temples Holie daies and such like The third office of Christ is his Priesthood whereof there are two parts his intercession where we must enquire whether Christ be the onely Mediatour of intercession and his Sacrifice where the maine and great controuersie concerning the Sacraments doth offer it selfe for by the Sacraments the power and efficacie of the death of Christ is deriued vnto vs. Here first we must entreate of the Sacraments in generall as of their number their efficacie the difference betweene the Sacraments of the olde and new Testament then in particular as of Baptisme and the seuerall questions thereto belonging of the Lords Supper where also the great controuersie about their Idolatrous sacrifice of the Masse and other necessary questions must be handled Then follow in order fiue other popish Sacraments to be considered of confirmation penaunce extreme vnction orders matrimony And these are the controuersies concerning the offices of Christ. The controuersies which concerne the benefits of our redemption with other seuerall questions are these as of predestination of sin of the law of free will of faith of good workes the particular questions are set forth at large in other places Lastly there remaine some questions about the person of Christ 〈◊〉 whether he be 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that is God of himselfe whether he encreased in wisedome whether he suffered in soule whether he merited for himselfe with such other Thus haue we the summe body of Antichristiā doctrine which we purpose by the grace of God to goe
was lawfull for them to read the scriptures much more for all Christians The Iesuite aunswereth that our knowledge is greater then theirs not in all scripture but in the misteries for our redemption onely We answere this is all we desire for if the misterie of saluation and redemption be plainly opened in the scripture why should not the people be admitted to the reading of the word to be confirmed in the knowledge of their redemption who seeth not what sillie aunsweres these be 4 Augustine thus writeth of this matter In ijs inquit quae aperte in Scripturis â—osita sunt inueniuntur ea omnia quae fidem continent moresque viuendi De doctrin Christia lib. 2. cap. 9. The plaine and easie places of scripture conteine all things necessarie vnto faith and good life Ergo the doctrine of saluation in the scriptures is not hard and difficult but easie of good Christians to be vnderstood THE SIXT QVESTION CONCERNING the interpretation of Scripture THis question doth diuide it selfe into three partes First concerning the diuerse senses of the scripture Secondly to whoÌ„ the chief authoritie to expound scripture is committed Thidly what meanes must be vsed in the interpretation of scripture THE FIRST PART OF THE SIXTH QVEstion of the diuerse senses of Scripture The Papistes error 7 THere are two straunge Assertions of our aduersaries coÌ„cerning this matter First they affirme that the scripture may haue diuerse senses and meanings in the same place The sense of the scripture is either literall say they historicall which is the first most proper sense or spirituall that is an higher sense deriued out of the other and it is of three kinds Allegoricall Tropologicall Anagogicall they shew by particular instance and induction that the scripture besides the literall sense may haue these also The Allegoricall sense is when besides the plaine historicall and literall meaning somewhat is signified which by an allegorie is referred vnto Christ or the Church as Gal. 4. beside the truth of the storie of the bond and free woman S. Paule applieth it vnto the two Testaments Ergo one place may haue more senses then one The Tropologicall sense is when as there is somewhat signified appertaining to manners as Deut. 25. Thou shalt not mussell the mouth of the oxe that treadeth out the corne this by S. Paule is applied to the Ministers of the Gospell 1. Cor. 9. Ergo the scripture hath diuerse senses The Anagogicall sense is wheÌ„ the place is applied to decipher set forth the kingdome of heauen and eternall things as Psal. 94. I sware vnto them if they should enter into my rest this is literally vnderstood of the rest in Canaan spiritually of life eternall Ergo many senses thus reasoneth Bellarmin lib. 3. de Scriptur cap. 3. The Protestantes WE affirme that of one place of scripture there can be but one sense which we call the literall sense when as the wordes are either taken properly or figuratiuely to expresse the thing which is meant as in this place the seede of the woman shall breake the Serpents head the literall sense is of Christ who should triumph ouer Sathan though it be spoken in a borowed and figuratiue speach There can be therefore but one sense which is the literall as for those three kinds they are not diuerse senses but diuerse applicatioÌ„s onely and collections out of one and the same sense 1 It shall appeare by a seuerall induction of all these kindes In the first example of the Allegoricall sense Galathes 4 the Apostle saith not that there is a double sense but that it may be allegorically applied which is historically set downe There is then but one sense of the place part whereof consisteth in the storie part in the allegorie so that the whole sense is conteined in them both Concerning the second exaÌ„ple of the Tropologicall there is not a twofold sense of that place but one whole generall sense that as the mouth of the oxe was not to be musled so the Minister of the Gospell must be prouided for Likewise of the Anagogicall kind it is not one sense to vnderstaÌ„d the rest of Canaan an other of the kingdome of God but there is one whole sense that as they for their Idolatrie were depriued of the land of promise so we should take heede lest by our disobedience we lose the hope of the kingdome of heaueÌ„ So we coÌ„clude that those are not diuerse senses but one sense diuersly applied 2 The literal sense is the onely sense of the place because out of that sense onely may an argument strongly be framed wherefore seeing allegories and tropes do not coÌ„clude they are not the senses of the place An allegorie or type may be part of the literall sense and then it concludeth but when an allegorie is framed beside the literall sense it concludeth not and therefore is no part of the sense as to reason thus the oxes mouth must not be musled Ergo the Minister must be maintained it foloweth well because it is part of the sense but allegories deuised beside the sense proue not though they may illustrate The Papistes THeir other assertion is this that it is lawfull to allegorise scripture both in the old and new Testament Bellarm. lib. 3. cap. 3. They reason thus Rhemens error 8 annot Heb. 4. ver 5. The Apostle applieth the rest of the Sabboth to the eternall rest Ergo the like applications of the fathers are lawfull See annot Heb. 7.2 the Apostle say they findeth great misteries euen in the very names Ergo it is lawfull to make allegories The Protestantes WE say it is daungerous to make allegories of Scripture without the warrant and direction of Gods spirite this was the occasion that diuerse of the auncient fathers greatly erred as the Iesuite him selfe repreheÌ„deth Papias Iustinus Lactantius for allegorising that place Reuel 20. which made them fall into the error of the Chiliastes by false interpreting of the thousand yeares there mentioned To their argumeÌ„ts our learned countryman D. Fulk answereth First it foloweth not because it was lawfull for the Apostles gouerned by the spirite to make allegories that it is therfore lawfull for others Secondly wheÌ„ the fathers or any other writers can be assured of the same spirite which the holy writers had and of the like dexteritie in vnderstanding and expounding Scripture they may likewise be bold to make allegories Let vs heare what Augustine saith of this matter Sicut mihi multum errare videntur qui nullas res gestas aliquid aliud praeter id quod eo modo gesta sunt significare arbitrantur ita multum audere qui prorsus ibi omnia significationib allegoricis inuoluta esse contendunt As they are much deceiued which thinke that the stories in the scripture do signifie no other thing but that which was done so they are to rash and bold that would draw all things to allegories which they read in scripture Ergo it is not
body who would haue the verie flesh of Christ present in the Sacrament for this is against the article of the Creede that Christ is ascended into heauen and there sitteth till his comming againe in iudgement Concerning these meanes thus writeth Augustine Rarissime inuenitur ambiguitas in verbis proprijs quam non aut circumstantia ipsa sermonis qua cognoscitur Scripturarum intentio aut interpretum collatio aut praecedentes soluat inspectio de doctrin Christ. lib. 3.4 There is almost no ambiguitie in any word properly vsed that is not metaphoricall or borrowed which may not either by the circumstance of the place the conference and comparing of interpreters or by looking into the originals easily be taken away Augustine we see approueth this methode though our aduersaries like it not Besides these prayer must be vsed before we enterprise any thing that the Lord would direct vs. And they which cā not so easily take this course which is prescribed shall do well to seeke helpe of learned and godly expositors or to consult with their Pastors and Ministers Ex Whitacher quaest 5. cap. 9. THE SEVENTH QVESTION CONCERNING the perfection and sufficiencie of Scripture THis question is deuided into three parts First whether the Scriptures be absolutely necessary Secōdly whether they be sufficient without vnwritten traditions Thirdly whether there be any traditions of faith and manners beside the Scriptures THE FIRST PART OF THE NEcessitie of the Scriptures The Papistes THe Iesuite laboureth to proue that the Scriptures are not simply necessarie error 11 which we denie not for meate is not simply necessarie for God may preserue man without so in respect of God nothing is simply necessarie God is not necessarily tyed to vse this or that meanes but his argumentes do tend to this end to shew that the scriptures are not necessarie at all and may be spared in the Church so saith Petrus a Soto the Scripture was not alway extant and it is not necessarie vnto faith And the Scripture it not now so necessarie since Christ as it was afore Tilman de verbo Dei error 17. 1 There was no Scripture from Adam to Moses for the space of two thousand yeares and yet true Religion was kept and continued and why might not true Religiō be as well preserued a 1500. yeare after Christ without scripture as afore We answere It foloweth not because in times past God taught his church by a liuelie voyce that the written word is not necessarie now for the Lord saw it good that his word should be left in writing that we might haue a certaine rule of our faith in this corrupt and sinfull age And what els is this but to cōtroll the wisedome of God saying it is not necessarie or needfull for the Church which the Lord saw to be needfull for if the Lord had thought it as good for vs to be taught without Scripture as in that simple and innocēt age of the world I meane innocent in respect of vs he would not haue moued and stirred vp his Apostles to write 2 After the time of Moses when the law was written yet there were many that feared God amongest the Gentiles which had not the Scriptures as Iob and the other his friends Ergo the scripture not necessarie The Iewes also them selues vsed traditions more then Scriptures as Psal. 44. v. 1.2 the fathers did report the workes of God to their children by the negligence also of the Priests the law was lost as 2. King 22. we read that the volume of the law was found which had bene missing a long time We answere First euē the faithfull amōgest the Gētiles did read the scripture as the Eunuke Act. 8. had the booke of the Prophet Isay. Secondly the Iewes declared the workes of God vnto their children but the same were also written as how the heathen were cast out before them and of their deliuerāce out of Egypt those were the things they heard of their fathers as we read Psal. 44. 78. yet all these things are recorded in the bookes of Moses Thirdly what though the Priests were negligent in preseruing the scriptures it is no good argument to proue that therefore they are not necessarie neither was the whole booke of the law lost but either Moses owne manuscript or the booke of Deuteronomie Yet he hath proued nothing 3 The Church after Christ wanted the Scriptures many yeares Ergo they are not necessarie We aunswere it is a great vntruth for the old Testamēt the Church could not be without and the new Testament was written not long after in the age of the Apostles whose liuely voyce and preachings were vnto them as their writings are now to vs. See now what strong arguments they bring the scriptures were not necessary in the time of the Patriarkes when God taught them by his owne voyce they were not necessarie in the time of the Prophetes and Apostles when they had mē inspired of God to teach them Ergo they are not now necessarie when neither God teacheth from heauen neither haue we any Prophetes or Apostles to instruct vs by heauenly reuelations nay rather because they were not necessarie then when they had other effectuall meanes notwithstanding they are necessarie now seeing there is no other way of instruction left vnto vs. The Protestantes THat the scriptures are necessarie for the people of God the reading preaching and vnderstanding whereof is the onely and ordinarie meanes to beget faith in vs we thus proue out of the Scriptures them selues 1 The scriptures conteine necessarie knowledge to saluation which can not be learned but out of the scripture Ergo they are necessarie The knowledge of the law is necessarie but that onely is deriued from the Scripture as the Apostle witnesseth Rom. 7.7 he had not knowen lust to be sinne vnlesse the law had said thou shalt not lust And if the right knowledge of the law is not learned but out of the scripture much more the knowledge of the Gospel is more high and mysticall and more straunge vnto our nature 2 That whereby we are kept frō error and doubtfulnes in matters of faith is necessarie but this is performed by the scripture Ergo. First the Scripture keepeth vs from error Math. 22.29 ye erre not knowing the scriptures saith our Sauiour The ignoraunce of scripture was cause of their error Secondly if our knowledge were onely builded vpon tradition without scripture we should be doubtfull and vncertaine of the truth so S. Luke saith in his Preface to Theophilus I haue written saith he that thou mightest be certaine of those things whereof thou hast bene instructed Hence we conclude that although we might know the truth without scripture as Theophilus did yet we can not know it certainlie without 3 If the scriptures be not necessarie then we may be without them but this can not be Ergo the scriptures can not be spared for then God had done a needlesse and superfluous worke in stirring vp
and although the true Church doth geue a notable testimonie thereunto yet doth not our faith depend vpon their witnesse testimonie or allowance Secondly the true visible Church is certainly knowen by the preaching of the word and the right vse of the Sacramēts so that we doubt not but there is the true Church where we finde these markes neither is it needfull to know the estate of euery particular member thereof for so long as all actions in the Church are directed and ordered by the rule of Gods word we neede not to doubt to commit our selues to that Church howsoeuer otherwise men do stand before God and yet so much as is necessarie the faithfull may be iudged knowen by their fruites Thirdly though we admit that wicked men are mēbers yet the vncertainty remaineth still for they them selues hold that neither men not Baptised or persons excommunicate or heretikes can be of the Church but many may liue in the Church whom we know not to be Baptised which may be ipso facto by the deed doing excommunicate without publike sentence and heretikes also wherefore euen amongest themselues they are vncertaine who are members of the Church The Protestantes WE hold that the Catholike Church consisteth onely of the predestinate and comprehendeth the vniuersall number of all those which shal be saued not onely those now liuing on earth but all that haue bene since the beginning of the world of this Church S. Paule was euen being a persecuter for he was neuer a member of the deuill nor reprobate as Iohn Husse saith articul 2. Of this Church Iudas the traytor neuer was though he were reputed for a Disciple of Christ for a while Huss articul 7. Therefore the wicked and reprobate though they liue in the outward assembly of Christians are no more the true members of Christ then the tares in the field may be counted wheat or good corne 1 The true members of Christ are also his sheepe the wicked are not the sheepe of Christ Ergo neither his members The sheepe of Christ heare his voyce they do not heare his voyce Ergo if they shall aunswere that hypocrites and wicked men do heare Christes voyce so long as they continue in the outward profession of Christians we thus improue it Christes sheepe do folow him in life and example Iohn 15.4 but so doe not they If it shal be yet aunswered that they may also a while walke in Christes steps this is not enough for all Christes shal be saued ver 9. wherfore the Gospell vnderstandeth such folowers as continue to the end 2 Christ is the head of his Church and all the partes thereof but he is not the head of the wicked reprobate Ergo. The Iesuite graunteth that he is the head euen of those partes that shall perish Bellarmin cap. 7. We thus answere Christ is the head onely of those for whom he gaue him selfe Ephe. 5.23.25 but he gaue not him selfe for the wicked Ergo. If this be denied we thus proceede Christ dyed onely for those whom he sanctifieth and cleanseth to make them a glorious Church without spot and wrincle Ephe. 5.26.27 But this can not agree any wise to the wicked Ergo. 3 The Church of God is the whole familie of the children of God in heauen and earth Ephe. 3.15 they both make but one Church the wicked are not of this familie for who would say that the Saintes in heauen and wicked and reprobate men vpon the earth are felow seruaunts and of one houshold Ergo they are not of the Catholike Church 4 Of all other that is a most euident place 1. Iohn 2.19 they went out of vs but were not of vs Ergo heretikes and reprobates are not of the church Bellarmine aunswereth though they were not of vs that is of the Church animis voluntate in soule and minde and purpose of hart yet they were of vs externa professione in externall profession Thus they are not ashamed such is there great boldnesse to contradict the scriptures for the Apostle saith non erāt ex nobis they were not of vs they say yes forsoth after a sort erāt ex nobis they were of vs the Apostle saith nay they say yea he saith indeed exierunt ex nobis they went out of vs which soundeth nothing like as erant ex nobis they were of vs as the Iesuite subtillie would conclude 5 Let Augustine speake for vs both Illa columba vnica pudica casta sponsa sine macula ruga non intelligitur nisi in bonis iustis sanctis That louely doue saith he the chast vndefiled and vnspotted spouse that is the Church of God is onely vnderstood of those that are righteous faithfull holy Ergo the wicked are not of the Church which is the spouse of Christ. THE SECOND PART OF THE QVESTION whether the Catholike Church be inuisible The Papistes THey do affirme that the Catholike Church is and hath bene alwayes visible error 15 not so visible because it might be seene but that it hath bene alwayes actually visible not seene onely vnto the mēbers of the church but notoriously knowē to the whole world Rhemens annot in Math. cap. 5. Sect. 3. Neither do they meane any particular Church so to haue bene visible but the vniuersall catholike church which they define to be a visible cōgregatiō of all faithfull men Canisius cap. de fide Symbol articul 18. Bellarmin lib. 3. de Eccles. cap. 12. ration 7. 1 The foundation of the Church is visible therefore the Church is visible the proportion they proue thus for whether we affirme Christ or Peter to be the foundatiō of the Church both of them are now visible in him which is the Vicare of Christ and Peters successor We answere First we vtterly denie either Peter to be the foundation of the Church or els the Pope to be his lawfull successor for Peter is no more the foundation of the Church then all the Prophetes and Apostles Ephe. 2.20 whose doctrine is the foundation not their persons And as for the Pope we care not so much for outward successiō in place which notwithstanding they can not proue to haue bene perpetuall without interruption as we do require a succession of faith and doctrine Secondly we affirme that Christ is the foundation but not the visible beholding of Christ with the carnall eyes but beleeuing in his name for when Peter had vttered that notable confession of Christ he said that flesh and bloud had not reuealed it but his father in heauen but if the beholding of Christ had geuen Peter a sight of the foundation thē flesh had reuealed it vnto him his carnall eyes had brought him to Christ. Thirdly we may much better returne this argument vpon them selues that because the foundation of the Church which is faith in Christ is inuisible therefore the Church is inuisible 2 They heape vp many places of Scriptures but to small purpose as Math. 18. tell the
Church Actes 15. when they came to Ierusalem they were receiued of the Church Philip. 3.6 Paule persecuted the Church how could the church be persecuted how could it receiue the Apostles if it were not visible Bellarmin cap. 12. We answere what goodly reasons here be a particular church such as was at Ierusalem may be seene Ergo the catholike and vniuersall Secondly a particular church may be sometime visible Ergo alwayes Thirdly the church is visible vnto the faithfull as in time of persecution for to Paule it was not knowen when he persecuted it but onely to the brethren Ergo it is visible to the world For these three points they must proue that the catholike church not a particular is visible that the Church is not sometime but alway visible yea and to the world or else they say nothing for shame masters make better arguments 3 He hath set his tabernacle in the sunne Psal. 19. The Church is as a Citie vpon an hill Math. 5. Ergo it is alwayes visible Bellarmin ibid. Rhemist Math. 5. Sect. 3. We answere First the Apostles them selues euen at this time when Christ spake these wordes vnto them were not so in sole or in monte in the sunne or vpon the hill that they were seene of the world nay they were not seene nor acknowledged of the Scribes and Pharisies in Iewrie the Church is seene of the faithfull it is visible to them that search for her out of the Scriptures they that caÌ„ see the mountaine shal see the Citie the mountaine is Christ the Citie is the Church No marueile if the Church be not alwayes visible to the world for they see not neither do they know Christ. Secondly the church is said to be on a hill because the truth seeketh no corners heretikes and false tâ—achers flye into the desert and into secret places Math. 24. ver 26. But the truth is not ashamed the Apostles confessed Christ eueÌ„ before Kings and Princes Marke 13.19 so Augustine expoundeth it Cont. Faustum lib. 13. cap. 13. The Protestantes COncerning the catholike church we hold that because it is an article of our faith it is alwayes vnto the world inuisible and not to be espyed but by the eyes of faith Fulk Math. 5. Sect. 5. Concerning particular churches if by visible they vnderstand that which may be seene so we graunt they are alwayes visible Fulk Act. 11. v. 24. If for that which is actually visible we say it is not so alwayes visible to the world nay it may sometimes be so hid and secret that the members know not one another Fulk in Math. 5. Sect. 3. 1 To the Hebrues it is thus written cap. 13. v. 18.23.24 you are not come to the mouÌ„taine which might be touched but to the Citie of the liuing God the celestiall Ierusalem c. Ergo the church is inuisible and here opposed to the visible hill of Sinay Bellarmine answereth that this is vnderstood of the triumphant church in heauen not of the militant vpon earth To this we make answere the Apostle vnderstandeth the whole vniuersall church in heauen and earth which both make but one familie Ephe. 3.15 for here he nameth not onely the spirites of iust men which are in heauen but the faithfull vpon earth whose names are written in heauen the congregatioÌ„ saith he of the first borne the wordes are 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a gathering together collection or coÌ„gregation which must needes be vnderstood of men vpon earth Againe saith he ye are come not ye shall come they had now left the smoking mountaine Sinay and were come to Sion the church vnder the Gospell Wherefore this is a most firme and inuincible argument the catholike church is the vniuersall number of Gods chosen in heauen and in earth Ergo inuisible 2 We will giue an instance In the dayes of Elias the church was not visible for he camplaineth and saith that he was onely left alone 1. King 19.10 Ergo the church is not alway visible The Rhemistes answere First at that time the church was visible in Iudaea the souldiers were numbred to 1000. thousand 2. Chron. 17. We aunswere againe First belike they haue taken a more exact account of them then the Lord him selfe for he saith he had reserued 7000 1. King 19.18 that had not bowed their knees to Baall they say there were ten huÌ„dred thousand Againe Elias if he had knowen such a number could not haue bene left so comfortlesse as in grief of hart to desire to dye But be it graunted that the church was visible in Iudaea at this time though it were not so to Elias yet where was that visible church in the dayes of Achaz and Manasseh when Iudaea fell also to Idolatrie Thirdly to beleeue that there is an holy catholike church is an article of our faith Ergo it is inuisible Bellarmin answereth First the holinesse of the church is inuisible We reply so the church is partly visible partly inuisible by his confession First why theÌ„ do ye define the catholike church to be a visible coÌ„gregatioÌ„ if it be not wholly altogether visible they know that difinitio must coÌ„uenire definito the definitioÌ„ must agree wholly to that which is defined but now it is not for they say the catholike holy church is partly visible as it is a church partly inuisible as it is holy Secondly do we not say in the Creede Credo Catholicam as well as Credo Sanctam I beleeue a catholike church as well as I beleeue the holy church then it is also inuisible as it is catholike because this also is part of the article see I pray you what shifting is here Secondly he answereth that some thing is seene in the church some thing beleeued for we see that visible companie of men which make the church but whether that companie be the true church we do not see it but beleeue it We reply againe First the Iesuite hath not yet proued that some thing is seene in the church some thing beleeued but one thing is seene namely the congregation as they are men another thing is beleeued that they are the church the sight and beliefe now by his owne confession are not both in the church Secondly we denie that the vniuersall coÌ„panie of the catholike church which is the number of the predestinate can be seene therefore all is beleeued and nothing seene Thirdly he saith that by faith we know which is the true church Ergo by faith we know which are the members of the church Ergo by faith the meÌ„bers do know them selues to be of the Church therefore faith is requisite in the true members of the church theÌ„ vnfaithfull men can not be true members of the church which point the Iesuite strongly before maintained against vs. Mendacem oportet esse memorem a lyar had need haue a good memorie lest he tell contrarie tales and so hath the Iesuite here for before he denied
names of some other Apostles as Iames and Iohn were called Boanerges the sonnes of thunder Mark 3. Therefore this was no such preeminence to Peter neither is it true that Peter was almost called by no other name for he is oftē in the Gospel after this called by his old name Simon Mat. 16.17 17 25. Fulk Annot. in Ioh. 1. sec. 7. Secondly againe saith Bellarmine the text is aedificabo I will build my Church but if Christ be here taken for the rocke his Church was built alreadie for many beleeued in him But Peter was not made the foundation of his Church till afterward after his resurrection and therefore hee saith I will build Wee answere First it is a corrupt glosse to say the Church of Christ was not builded till after the resurrection for seeing that many beleeued before in Christ and made a Church either they must graunt that the Church was without a foundation or else that the foundation was changed from Christ to Peter Secondlie it is taken therefore for the enlarging and increasing of the Church of GOD. It followeth not because Christ saith I will build and his Church was begun to bee built alreadie that therefore another kinde of building must bee excogitate no more then because Christ gaue his spirite to the Apostles Matth. 10.1 and againe Iohn 20.22 and yet biddeth them stay at Ierusalem till they should receiue the holie Ghost Acts. 1.7 that therefore they should looke for another holy Ghost or as though they had not receiued the holy Ghost before But as the sending of the holy Ghost is meant for the increase and more plentifull measure thereof so is the building of the Church here taken for the increase of the building Wee yet further answere with Augustine super hanc petram quam confessus es aedificabo ecclesiam vppon this rocke which thou hast confessed will I build my Church so that in this place is meant not Peter to bee the rocke but either Christ whome he confessed or his saith whereby he confessed him which commeth all to one effect There is no great difference whether wee say the Church is builded vppon Christ or faith is the foundation of the Church for faith is an apprehension of Christ but of the person of Peter it can no more bee vnderstoode then of the rest of the Apostles who in some sence are called the foundation of the Church namely in respect of their holy Apostolick doctrine vpon the which the Church is built Ephes. 2.20 Bellarmine and the Iesuites denie not but here is relation also to the faith of Peter but faith considered in his person We answere if they meane Peters particular faith which was a proper adiunct to himselfe the vniuersall Church cannot be built vpon that faith seeing when Peter dyed his faith also as a proper accident to his person ceased if they vnderstand that generall faith whereby Peter in the name of all the rest made this confession then they all are as well made pillars and foundations of the Church as he because it was their generall confession Fulk annot in 16. Matth. sect 8. 3 Another place which our aduersaries mightely vrge are those words which follow verse 19. I will giue vnto thee the keyes of the Kingdome of Heauen whatsoeuer thou shalt binde in earth shal be bound in Heauen Ergo Peter had especiall iurisdiction giuen him more then any of the rest Bellarmine cap. 12. Wee answere First as Peter confessed in the name of all the rest so this power is geuen him not onelie for the rest as the Rhemists falslie charge vs that we make Peter a proctor for others but together with the rest Peters person must be excluded for immediately after he deserued for a certaine slip of his person to bee called Sathan it were an vnfit match the same person at the same time to be honoured with the glorious title of the rock of Christ and to sustaine so great a rebuke as to bee called Sathan Secondlie here is no more promised to Peter then vnto all the rest of the Apostles Matth. 18.18 They likewise haue authoritie giuen them to binde and loose and it is performed to them all alike Iohn 20.23 2 By the keyes here cannot be vnderstoode that large iurisdiction which the Papists dreame of as not onely the authoritie and chaire of doctrine iudgement knoweledge discretion betweene true and false doctrine all which we graunt together with Peter to haue been giuen to al the Apostles besides But say they hereby is signified the height of gouernement the power of making lawes of calling Councels and confirming them of ordeyning Bishops and Pastors finally to dispense the goods of the Church spirituall and temporall all this is added without ground neither had either Peter or any of the Apostles this ample authoritie no nor the Bishops of Rome for many hundred yeares after Christ. For this plenarie power of the keyes when they signifie a soueraigne and chiefe and surpassing power are so onely giuen vnto Christ and to no mortall creature He is saide to haue the keye of Dauid who openeth and no man shutteth who shutteth and no man openeth Apocalip 3.7 Fulk Annot. 16. Matth. sect 13. Lastly I will oppose the iudgement of the Fathers of the Church who alleadge out of Augustine that Peter receiued the keyes for the whole Church and out of Ambrose that when Christ said to Peter pasce oues the blessed Apostle toke not charge of them alone saith he but together with vs and we together with him Fax pag. 675. 4 Other arguments they alleadge for the primacie and preeminence of Peter as Matthew 10. Hee is named in the first place Bellarmine cap. 18. Wee answere this mought bee because Peter was the most auncient in yeeres or one of the first that was called But howsoeuer it was it is no great matter for this order is not alwaie kept as Galath 2. Paul nameth Iames first Iames Cephas Iohn saith hee verse 9. the Iesuits best shift is heere to denie the text saying it should bee read Cephas Iames Iohn vnlesse Iames bee named first because he was Bishop of Ierusalem Marke I pray you Ergo at Ierusalem Peter was not before Iames but next vnto him therfore not prince of the Apostles Bellarm. cap. 18. Againe say they Peter standeth vp in the election of Matthias Acts 1. preacheth the first Sermon Acts 2. Acts. 15. Peter speaketh first Wee answere to the first Wee denie not a primacie of order to haue been in Peter but it followeth not that hee which speaketh first or giueth the first voyce should bee the head and commaunder of the rest to the second wee also graunt that Peter in zeale promptnes and forwardnes was not behinde any of the Apostles but euen with the first for in him was that saying of Christ verified vppon the woman Shee loued much because much was forgiuen her Luk 7 So was it with Peter to whome Christ forgaue much
shewe of reason can our aduersaries haue to make them proper to the Bishop of Rome 2 The second name is prince of Priests or high and chiefe Bishop which title if it be taken for a chiefe power dominion and soueraigntie is proper only to Christ the chiefe shepheard 1. Pet. 5.4 and cannot in that sense agree to any man If it bee vsed onely as a title of excellencie and commendation so was it in times past ascribed to other excellent and famous Bishops as Ruffinus lib. 2. cap. 26. calleth Athanasius Pontificem maximum chiefe Bishop yea it was in common giuen to all Bishops as Anacletus Bishop of Rome in his second Epistle writeth thus Summi sacerdotes id est Episcopi a deo iudicandi sunt The high Priests that is Bishops saith he are to bee iudged of God If it be taken further for the excellencie of the ministerie of the Gospell and the worthie calling of Christians in this sense the title of summum sacerdotium of the high Priesthood is attributed to all ministers Ecclesiasticall both Bishops and others so Fabianus Bishop of Rome vseth this name Yea the holy Apostle calleth all the people of God 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a princely royall or chiefe priesthood Ergo the Bishop of Rome hath no especiall or proper interest in this name 3 The third name is to bee called the Vicar of Christ vpon earth Where we are to vnderstand that in respect of the spirituall regiment and kingdome of Christ he needeth no Vicegerent vpon earth for I am with you saith he to the end of the world he himselfe is alway present in power and needeth not in that respect that any man should supplie his roume Petrus scriba martyr Fox pag. 906. If we doe take it for a word of office and publike administration so the Magistrate may bee called the Vicar of Christ in gouerning the people according to the word of God In which sense Eleutherius Bishop of Rome writing to Lucius King of the Britaines calleth him the Vicar of Christ and therfore in his owne kingdome had power out of the word of God to establish lawes for the gouernment of the people So all Bishops Pastors and Ministers in ancient time were called the Vicars of Christ in preaching praying binding and loosing in the name and power of Christ. So Augustine saith or whose worke els it is that Omnis antistes est Christi vicarius Euery pastor and prelate and not the Pope onely is the Vicar of Christ. And this is confessed by our Rhemists annot in 2. Cor. 5.18 that the Bishops and priests of the Church are for Christ and as his ministers that is his Vicars Nay Augustine maketh yet a more generall vse of this word he saith that Homo imperium Dei habens quasi vicarius eius est That man by creation being made Lord of the creatures doth therein represent God and is as his Vicar vpon earth So then all ministers are the Vicars of Christ the ciuill Magistrate likewise in some good sense may bee so called yea in respect of the creatures man generallie is vpon earth in Gods steade Ergo this name cannot be appropriate to the Pope of Rome 4 It is also too huge a name for the Pope or any mortall man to beare to be called the head of the vniuersall Church this is a name only due vnto Christ neither doe the scriptures acknowledge any other head but him Ephes. 1.22.4.15 But say they wee doe not make the Pope such an head as Christ is but only a ministeriall head ouer the militant Church vpon earth We answere First Ergo the Pope by your owne confession is not head of the vniuersall Church whereof the triumphant Church in heauen is a part Secondly the Rhemists confesse that the Church in no sense can bee called the bodie of the Pope Ergo the Pope cannot be any wayes the head of the vniuersall Church Annot. in 1. Ephes. 22. Thirdly the Fathers of Basile vsed this argument The head of the bodie being dead the whole bodie also dyeth but the whole Church doth not perish with the Pope Ergo he is not properly the head of the Church Fox pag. 675. If it shall bee further obiected that the Bishop of Rome hath been called in times past caput Episcoporum the head of all other Bishops we answere that it was but a title of excellencie and commendation not of dominion and power as London is called the head or chiefe citie of England yet are not other cities of the land subiect vnto it or vnder the iurisdiction thereof But we shall haue occasion more fully to discusse this matter afterward 5 They would haue the Pope called the Prelate of the Apostolike See the Rhemists say further that the Papall dignitie is a continuall Apostleship Annot. 4. Ephes. sect 4. We answere First if they call those Churches Apostolicall whose first founders were the Apostles then the See of Antioch Alexandria Constantinople are as well Apostolicall as Rome and this the Iesuite denyeth not Lib. 2. de pontific cap. 31. Secondly those Churches are Apostolicall which hold the Apostolike faith so is not the See of Rome Apostolicall being departed and gone backe from the ancient Catholike faith but those Churches where the Gospell of Iesus Christ is truely preached are indeede Apostolike Thirdly how can the Pope be an Apostle or haue Apostolike authoritie seeing hee preacheth not at all much lesse to the whole world wherein consisted the office of an Apostle Neither can he shewe his immediate calling from Christ as all the Apostles could for seeing he challengeth the Apostolike office by tradition from S. Peter and not by commandement from Christ he can in no wise be counted an Apostle or his office an Apostleship for the Apostles ordayned onely Euangelists and Pastors they had not authoritie to consecrate and constitute new Apostles Our aduersaries for this their Apostleship can finde nothing in scripture nor for a thousand yeeres after Christ in the ancient writers Fulk annot in Ephes. 4. sect 4. 6 Concerning the title of vniuersall Bishop it was thus decreed in the sixt Councel of Carthage as it is alleadged by Gratian Vniuersalis autem nec Romanus pontifex appelletur No not the Bishop of Rome is to be called vniuersall In Gregorie the first his time Iohn Patriarke of Constantinople obtayned of the Emperour Mauritius to be called vniuersall Patriarke but Gregorie would not agree thereunto calling him the forerunner of Antichrist that would challenge so proude a name Bellarmine and other of that sect doe answere that Gregorie found fault with this title because Iohn of Constantinople would haue been Bishop alone and none other to bee beside him but all other onely to bee his deputies and vicars To this wee replie First Iohn did onely challenge a superioritie ouer other Bishops not to be Bishop alone for this had been a thing impossible Secondly if Iohn had sought any such thing
signed in the foreheads Bellarmin cap. 11. 1. Antichrist must in all respects be contrarie to Christ for as he seeth his image and crucifix adored so shall he set vp his owne image to be worshipped and therefore as Christians now doe beare in their foreheads the signe of the Crosse which is Christs marke so hee shall inuent an other marke contrary to Christs and he will make his name and the letters thereof sacred as now the name of Iesus is worshipped among Christians Rhemist Apocal. 13. sect 7. Answere First where haue you learned that roodes and images are to be adored and worshipped or doth not the word of God teach the plaine contrarie Psal. 115.8.9 O Israel trust in the Lord but they that worship images are like vnto them he therefore that trusteth in an image cannot trust in God Againe where learne you to make an Idoll of the letters or sillables of Christs name to cause men to carry it in their caps and bow their knee vnto it think you that Saint Paul when he sayth that all thinges doe bowe the knee to the name of Iesus yea of things in heauen Philip. 2. that he meant that euen the Angels doe stoup and make obeysance when they see the name of Iesus written in a glasse window Or who taught you that the signe of the Crosse is to be borne vpon mens foreheades and that with crossing of the forehead we are preserued from daunger Saynt Paul you knowe hath no such meaning when he sayth He bare in his bodie the markes of the Lorde Iesus which were nothing else but the signes and tokens of his persecutions as whippings stoning and such like in his flesh Galath 6.17 Neither when he saith He reioyced in nothing but the Crosse of Christ whereby he was crucified to the worlde verse 14. hath he any relation to the Crosse in the forehead for it were a myracle that a man by crossing his forehead should straight wayes crucifie and mortifie his affections Nor yet did our Sauiour speake of this marke where he saith that they which will followe him must take vp his crosse Mark 8.34 for in that place by taking vp of the Crosse he meaneth nothing else but the forsaking and denying of our selues So it is playne that in the scripture you finde not this superstitious signe of the crosse in your foreheads 2. Where you say that you doe honour the character of Christ as his name and the signe of the Crosse You doe euen so honour Christ as the souldiers did that gaue him a reede for a scepter and thornes for a Crowne and bowed themselues in mockage So you do leaue Christ certaine badges and signes of his kingdome but indeed you spoyle him of it and of his Priesthood too making other mediatours beside him and other sacrifices propitiatorie beside his What doe you else now in bowing the knee to the name and sillables of Iesus and spoyling him of his honur but with the souldiers in mockage to bow vnto Christ And I pray you how doe you honour the name of Christ when you make a iest of the name of Christian for in Italie it is a worde of reproch taken for an idiote or foole 3. We answere that the signe whereby Christians are marked are not external but internall we are sealed by the spirite of God Ephes. 4.30 The outward signes are none other but the two sacraments of Baptisme and the Lords supper by the right administration wherof the congregations of the faythful are knowen But of this more shall be spoken in the Antithesis or Antidotum in the declaration of our opinion The Protestants BY the character or marke of Antichrist we doe not vnderstand any visible signe or badge to be printed in the right hand or the forehead as the Iesuite imagineth as though he should brand all his subiects in the hand or forehead But heereby is meant and signified chiefely the societie and communion whereby they shal be ioyned to Antichrist by giuing vnto him their fidelitie oth and obedience agreeing together in the same corruption of fayth and doctrine This is Antichrists badge or cognisance Fulk Apocalip 13. sect 7. There are also outward markes of their coniuncton with Antichrist as the shauing of Priests and greazing them with oyle such are the receiuing of holie bread the wearing of beades the annoynting with chrisome But the proper note and character is the oth and profession of fealtie and obedience 1. Antichrist say they shall bring in another contrary character to disgrace the signe and character of Christ namely the crosse in the foreheads But Christ hath appoynted no such visible character neither are true Christians knowen by any such therefore also the character of Antichrist is no such thing 1. The people of the Iewes had no such outward badge who were more charged with outward obseruations then Christians are Circumcision was the onely signe of the couenant to them Genes 17.11 which was one of their chiefe sacraments in place whereof Baptisme is enioyned vs Ergo much lesse are we to be knowen by any other outward badge 2. This place Apocal. 13. is taken out of Ezech. 9. where the Angel is commaunded to set a marke vpon the foreheads of them that mourne but that was no visible externall marke for it was shewed the Prophet in vision Ergo neither is it to be taken so in this place 3. We grant the sacraments are badges and markes of our profession which markes the Pope the onely Antichrist hath defaced by bringing in fiue other sacraments and cleane changing polluting and altering the right sacraments which Christ instituted for they haue brought into baptisme chrisme salt oyle spittle and such trash into the Eucharist adoration transsubstantiatiō sacrifice with such like so that herein he sheweth himselfe Antichrist and hath altered the true markes of Religion 2. It appeareth by the effect what is the Character of Antichrist The text saith It was not lawfull for any to buy or sell but he that had the marke or the name of the beast No more was it lawfull for any to haue trafficke amongst the papists but hee that acknowledged the Popes crosse keyes or made himselfe a member of the Romish Italian Church Nay they say he is not of the Church that acknowledgeth not the Pope to be head of Christes Church Fulk Apocal 13. sect 7. The Iesuite obiecteth First this oth of fidelitie and coniunction cannot be that character for it must be in the right hand or forehead Answere Wee haue already declared that it is too childish to take these wordes literally as though all Antichrists subiects should carie brandes in their foreheads or hands Secondly saith he many do both buy sell amongst them that haue not made profession of their fealtie to Rome as the Iewes Bellarm. cap. 11. Answer Yea no maruaile for Antichrist is an enemie onely to Christ al other people he can brook well enough beside good Christians tell me
from heauen Sic Bullinger serm 60. in Apocalips Thirdly the Dragon is sayd Apocalips 12.4 with his tayle to drawe many starres from heauen that is many excellent men as starres in giftes and knowledge shall bee deceiued by the Pope and be wonne vnto him yea the Pope himselfe is a Starre fallen from heauen to the earth from heauenly doctrine to earthly tradition Apocalips 9.1 thus Antichrist also may be sayd to fetch fire from heauen 2. The second miracle hee shall cause the Image of the beast to speake which the Iesuite vnderstandeth literally that is grossely Answere First Bellarmine and our Iesuites doe not here agree for Bellarmine sayth that these two miracles shall be wrought by Antichrist himselfe to fetch fire from heauen and to cause the Image to speake But the Rhemists saye this other beast is another false Prophet inferiour to Antichrist which shall also worke wonders such an one as Caluine say they where they shew their malice more then learning for Caluine they know tooke not vpon him to worke myracles annot Apocal. 13. sect 3. 2 This causing the image to speake hath a better meaning The image of the beast is the shadow of the olde stately Empire of Rome which was erected by the Pope for the west partes wanted an Emperour the space of three hundred yeeres from Augustulus time till Pope Leo the third who made Charles the great king of France Emperour And at this day is there nothing in the Empire but onely a name title and image for neither hath the Emperour the Imperiall authoritie which is in the Pope nor the Imperiall kingdomes vnlesse he haue them of his owne And the Pope onely maketh this Image to speake for vnlesse he doe confirme the election of the king of the Romanes he is not thought worthy the name of Emperour Bullinger ibid. 3 And yet we denie not but that they both haue and may make images speake either by the helpe of the diuell as Dunstane caused a roode to speake or by iugling as the Roode of grace by gimmals was made to roule the eyes mooue the lippes and such like in king Henries dayes 3 The third myracle that Antichrist shall work is to fayne himselfe dead and to rise againe Apocalyps 13.3 Answere There can bee no such thing gathered out of the text First the wordes will not beare it the text is that one of the heads was wounded to death and the wound was healed which cannot be so meant as though hee fayned himselfe dead but he receiued a wound indeede 2 The sence is mysticall as thorough the whole chapter First it is sayd that the seuenth head was wounded to death but reuiued agayne that is the seuenth gouernement of the Romanes in the Popedome for the papacie had many times deadly blowes and yet was healed agayne especially when there were three Popes together at Rome in France and the third in Spaine but this wound was cunningly healed vp in Pope Martin the fift in the Councell of Constance the other three beeing deposed Sic Bullinger Serm. 59. Secondly it is said vers 14. that the beast whose image remained had the wound of a sworde and yet liued which is vnderstoode of the Romane Empire reuiued and quickned by the Pope The Protestants IT is true that Antichrist shall worke signes and wonders by the power of Sathan 2. Thessal 2. but lying signes both because they shall bee done to confirme lyes neither shall they bee such as the Prophets wrought but many of them but cunning and cousening sleights of iuglers And for such wonders wee neede not to search farre the Popish Church is full of them Where else then should wee looke for Antichrist 1 There haue beene of the Popes themselues Sorcerers and Coniurers such an one Antichrist shall bee sayth Bellarmine Siluester the second came vp to the papacie by the helpe of the diuell as wee haue before shewed Gregorie the seuenth was condemned in the Councell of Brixia for a Coniurer And Benno a Cardinall in those dayes thus writeth of him that on a time hee sending two of his seruants for a certaine Sathanicall booke charging them not to looke into it they notwithstanding looked into it and presently a great multitude of diuelish spirites were round about them who were instant vpon them to knowe why they were called for the seruants beeing at the first astonished yet comming to themselues enioyned them to plucke downe certayne high walles neere to Rome and so they came to their master Fox page 176. What other Antichrist now neede wee looke for If hee must bee a Coniurer wee may heere make our choyce 2 Wee are not ignorant what lyes and fables are reported by the papists of the myraculous actes of their popish Saints of the which wee haue spoken before As howe Dunstane appeared to a cripple that came to his Tombe to bee helped of his lamenesse How Plegildus a priest sawe and handled the shape of a childe vpon the altaâ— which after hee had kissed returned agayne to the likenesse of bread How a certaine Iewes boy tolde his father that hee saw a childe broken in peeces vpon the altar and distributed among the Christians and the boy for that was cast into a furnace of fire and was preserued from the fire by the Virgin Marie which appeared to him and spred her garment ouer him Many such either lyes and fables or workes of diuels the popish Church hath many What neede wee therefore doubt but that it is the Antichristian Church 3 Augustine sayth Saint Paul calleth them lying wonders either because Antichrist shall deceiue men per phantasmata with iugling sleights or because ad mendacia per trahet credituros by his wonders he shall make them beleeue lies But in which sense they are so called it shall appeare when Antichrist is come sayth hee and indeede it is now apparant for our aduersaries haue plenty of both kindes both myracles wrought indeede by the diuell and many prety iugling feates beside THE EIGHTH PARTE OF THE QVEstion concerning the warres and kingdome of Antichrist The Papists BEllarmine sayth that Antichrist shall make great battayles agaynst the error 64 Saynts and shall conquere the whole worlde first by crafte he shall aspire to the kingdome of the Iewes secondly he shall fight with three kings of Lybia Aegypt Aethiopia Thirdly with a great armie he shall persecute the Christians throughout the world and this shall be the battaile of Gog and Magog Bellarm. cap. 16. 1 That he shall craftily aspire to the kingdome he proueth it out of Daniel 11.21 where it is prophecied of one that he shall obtayne the kingdome by flatteries Ans. This prophecie of Daniel as likewise the whole chapter was historically accomplished in Antiochus Epiphanes who defrauded Seleucus his brothers sonne of the kingdome and circumuented his elder brother Demetrius so that it being once fulfilled it cannot be wrested to any other sense of Antichrist it cannot be
condemned to death men that were bestraught of their wits as Collins and Cowbridge were burned beeing both franticke see their storie page 1131. Where is now that lenitie and compassion which ought to be in the Ministers of the Gospell Such crueltie was not heard of no not amongst the heathen Yea they breake their owne law which suffereth a man once to abiure his heresie but if afterwarde he be detected he dieth without mercie Fox Anno. 1511. William Carder Agnes Grebil were condemned though they submitted theÌ„selues and promised to be conformable to their religion page 1277. Yet this law of theirs is most vniust and contrary to the gospell which faieth that if thy brother sinne against thee 7. times in a day and 7. times in a day turne againe and say It repenteth me thou shalt forgiue him Luke 17.4 Yet these men will forgiue but once and not that neither But S. Paul saith An heretike after once or twise admonition reiect Bellarm. his best answer is by denying the text saying that it was not so red in former times but thus after once admonition de laicis cap. 22. There was more clemencie vsed in Augustines time for then Bishops did not prouoke the Magistrate to execute whom they had condemned but did entreat the Magistrate to shew compassion vnto Heretikes not straight wayes to punish them with death Ne sic vitam istam finiant saith Augustine per supplicium vt ea finita non possint finire supplicium Least they should so end this life by punishment that the life being ended they should neuer end their punishment Epist. 54. And in another place sic eorum peceata compesce vt sint quos poeniteat peccasse Epist. 159. So restraine their sinnes that they may yet remaine to repent them of their sinnes In those daies therefore men were not by and by punished with death to preuent their repentance as in time of poperie but their repentance was expected to deliuer them from the sentence of death Thus much of this question as likewise of the whole controuersie and thus far also concerning such controuersies as are moued about the Church militant heere vpon earth which wee haue hitherto prosequuted by the Lords gracious assistaunce In the next place we are to deale in those controuersies which concerne the other part of the Church triumphant in heauen 1. Timoth. 6.16 Soli Deo immortali Patri Filio cum spiritu sancto sit honor imperium sempiternum THE SECOND BOOKE OR CENTVRIE CONTAINING AN OTHER LARGE HVNDRETH OF POPISH errors and many of them foule heresies deuided into six seuerall Controuersies CONCERNING THE ESTATE OF THE CHVRCH TRIVMPHANT IN Heauen and the Sacraments of the Church Militant vpon earth Jmprinted at London by Thomas Orwin for Thomas Man 1592. ILLVSTRISSIMO ET INclytissimo Domino Comiti Essexio non tam generis claritate quam virtute sua nobili de re literaria studiosisque omnibus semper optimè merito Dominoque mihi multis nominibus colendissimo SCite illud Nobilissime Comes ab Epicharmo olim dictum perhibetur 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Qua sententia monet neruos atque artus esse sapientiae noÌ„ temere credere Idque pulchrè depingi solet oculatae manus effigie vt ne vel manu contrectare vel pugillo premere id est mentis consensu iudicio approbare audeamus quod noÌ„ prius penitus exploratuÌ„ habuerimus Hoc sequi coÌ„siliuÌ„ si nostrates voluissent papicolas volo et pontificiae haereseâ—s sectatores Anglos si singula ad trutinam expeÌ„dissent prius ad quae postea admouerunt manus non tam temere imprudenter callidis doctoribus aurem praebuissent nec tam facile cito a sana doctrina desciuissent Multi enim apud nos sunt imperiti homunciones indoctae mulierculae quanquam doctos etiam aliquos et satis cordatos viros ex isto genere agnouerim qui nec scientia armati nec animi proposito stabiles nescientes lethale non minutim guttatim sorbillarunt sed plenò gutture hauserunt venenum dum nihil probantes vel examinantes se papisticae superstitionis astutijs illaqueari passi sunt Haec dum meeum seriò cogito altiùs tanquam ex animi spècula prospiciens contueor non ex alijs initijs quaÌ„ temeritatis ignorantiae hoc taÌ„ magnum malum enatum exortum video Jgnorantiae est quòd veritate spreta neglecta errores sponte liberè imbiberuÌ„t amplexati sunt temeritatis verò quòd se nullo delectu habito seditiosis impijs magistris in disciplinam tradere voluerunt Qui non Epicharmi philosophi humanum sed Pauli Apostoli diuinum consilium respuunt qui sic monet Omnia probate quod bonum est tenete Contra istos etiam satis nos cautos dedit dominus Christus sic praemonens Cauete a Prophetis mendacibus qui veniunt ad vos in vestimentis ouium sed intrinsecus sunt lupi rapaces Cum igitur multos quoruÌ„daÌ„ insidijs deceptos in fraudem illici in errores toto impetu praecipitari cernerem idque non alij principio quaÌ„ ipsorum ignorantiae tribuendum esse operae precium facturum duxi si quis papisticae superstitionis capita in synopsin quandam coÌ„ijcere studeret et passim verae fidei ex scripturis adhibens antidotum vniuersam doctrinam pontificiam vno intuitu conspiciendam proponeret Hoc opus tam necessarium cum diu expectassem dum aggrederentur alij cum neminem huc animum applicasse aut id in animo habere perspexeram Ego tandem prodij è multis millibus ad hoc onus sustinendum minimè omnium idoneus Qui me operam meam non perditurum sed aliquid Ecclesiae commodi allaturam mihi persuaseram si in isto opere desudareÌ„ vt haberent nostrates quo aduersus haeresin pontificiam instructiores esse possint NumeruÌ„ si quis quaerat haereseâ—n quas Romana ecclesia orbi nostro propinauit mensuram omnem modum superant ad immensam molem excrescunt Trecentos ego plures hoc opere percurri errores pontificios nec omnes tamen complexus sum Varro scriptor ille copiosus vir multae lectionis vt scribit August philosophorum sectas vsque ad ducentas octoginta octo numerauit et receÌ„suit Sed a papistis huius seculi erroruÌ„ varietate multitudine veteres illi superantur Scripsit non multis abhinc annis libellum Tilemannus quidaÌ„ Heshusius qui sic inscribitur Sexcenti errores pontificij Geminauit ille duplum effecit numeruÌ„ hunc quem nos secuti sumus Trecentos nos malumus quam sexcentos ponere Non quòd non putem tot vitijs corruptelis superstitionem pontificiam scatere vel non posse tot colligi illius synagogae errores Sed id feci iaÌ„ partim quia praecipua capita maximè proseâ—ui
that he prophecied being dead Ergo it was Samuel indeed Bellarm. De Purgat lib. 2. cap. 6. Augustine answereth that this booke was not receiued into the Canon of the scriptures It is not Canonicall De cura pro mortuis cap. 15. Arg. 3. He telleth Saul things to come as how the next day he should be ouercome and slaine But the diuell knoweth not things to come Bellar. ibid. Augustine answereth Facile est non incongruum It is an easie matter with God and not vnlikely that some things should be reuealed to euill spirits for the greater punishment of the wicked for otherwise we might maruaile Quomodo daemones agnouerint Christum quem Iudaei non agnoscebant How the diuels knewe Christ whom the Iewes did not acknowledge Ad Simplician lib. 2. quaest 3. The Protestants THat it was not the soule of Samuel which appeared who was now at rest but the diuell in the likenes of Samuel who also can transforme himselfe into an Angel of light Augustine proueth by these foure arguments Argum. 1. Because the Witch or Pythonist vsed enchantments vnto the which the soule of so holy a prophet was not subiect Daemoniacis incantationibus vti videtur De mirabilib scriptur 2. cap. 11. Bellarmine answereth that Samuel preuented her enchantment and came vp voluntarily Ans. The text is contrarie vers 11. for the woman first asketh Saul whom she should bring vp that is by her charmes and incantations and he sayd bring me vp Samuel Argum. 2. Quomodo Saul c. How could Saul obtaine to heare a Prophet speake from the dead whom God vouchsafed not to answere by Prophets aliue The text is that God gaue him no answere neither by Prophets nor by dreames therefore I haue called for thee vers 15. Ergo it was not Samuel for then God should haue giuen him answere by Prophets Argum. 3. If it had been Samuel he would not haue told a lye vnto Saul saying to morowe thou shalt be with me Magno quippe interuallo separari bonos à malis legimus for we reade that the good are separated from the bad by a great distance after this life as it appeareth in the storie of Diues and Lazarus August ad Simplician ibid. Bellarm. He sayth as much as you shall be dead noting the generall condition not the particular state of the dead Ans. This phrase in scripture importeth and implieth also the particular state of those that are departed as 2. Sam. 12.23 Dauid saith of his child I shall goe to him he shal not come to me And Luk. 23.43 Christ saith This day shalt thou be with me in Paradise In both places it signifieth to be in rest and ioye in the same place where they are with whom they are sayd they shal be Ergo it must be so taken here Argum. 4. If it had been Samuel Vtique vir iustus non permisisset se adorari The iust man would not haue suffered himselfe to be adored and worshipped as the diuell doth take it at Saules hands to be worshipped of him For the text sayth he enclined his face toward the ground and bowed himselfe or worshipped August quaest ex veteri testam 27. THE SECOND QVESTION CONCERNING Purgatorie THe question hath three parts first whether there be any Purgatorie for soules to be purged cleansed in after this life Secondly of other circumstances and matters that doe belong thereunto Thirdly of praier for the dead THE FIRST PART WHETHER THERE BE any Purgatorie after this life The Papists THere is they say a certaine infernall place in the earth called Purgatorie in the which as in a prison house the soules which were not fully purged in this life are there cleansed and purged by fire before they can be receiued into heauen Bellarm. de Purgator lib. 1.1 lib. 2.6 Rhemist Matth. 12. sect 6. Argum. 1. Zachar. 9.11 Thou hast loosed thy prisoners out of the pit where was no water Psalm 66.12 We went through fire and water These and such like places the Iesuite vnderstandeth of Purgatorie Lib. 1. de Purgator cap. 3. Ans. First the Iesuite brought this place before to proue that there was Limbus Patrum and now he maketh it serue for Purgatorie thus they can make the scripture to speake what they list themselues But Purgatorie and Limbus Patrum are two diuers yea and contrary things for the Limbus was onely for those that liued before Christ Purgatorie began since the Limbus was voyde of payne and punishment so is not Purgatorie wherefore if the Lake or pit in Zacharie signifie Purgatorie it maketh nothing for Limbus and if it serue for Limbus then they misse of a place for Purgatorie But indeede it signifieth no such thing but is taken onely in that place for the affliction and miserie of this life as we shewed out of Augustine And so doth he also expound such and the like places out of the Psalmes as Psalm 86.13 Thou hast deliuered my soule from the lowest graue Quid sayth he est lacus infimus nisi profundissima miseria qua non sit profundior What els sayth he is the lowest pit or graue but the lowest degree of miserie then the which there can be no greater Argum. 2. Luk. 8.55 Her spirit came againe and she arose Christ raised the rulers daughter to life This euidently sheweth that there is a third place beside Heauen and Hell for the soules that are there cannot returne againe Rhemist Ans. Surely a goodly argument the spirits of Lazarus and of the Maide returned Ergo there is a third place and why may you not thinke that their soules were whereas the soules of other righteous are And why may not the Lord bring at his pleasure if it pleaseth him the soules at rest into their bodies againe Fulk 8. sect 5. Argum. 3. Of all other they most insult and beare themselues bolde vpon that place of Saint Paul 1. Corinth 3. which being rightly vnderstood doth not helpe them anything at al vers 13. The fire shal trie euery mans worke vers 15. if any mans worke burne he shall suffer losse but he shall be safe himselfe yet as it were through the fire Bellarm. Rhemist by fire here vnderstand the flames of Purgatorie by wood stubble strawe veniall sinnes which must be purged by that fire Rhemist 1. Cor. 3. sect 3. Ans. First by the precious matter here as of gold siluer are not the workes of charitie vnderstood but the preaching of sound doctrine by straw and stubble and wood and other combustible matter the affectation of eloquence and corrupt teaching of the truth yet holding the foundation not veniall sinnes as the Rhemists affirme and this Bellarmine also granteth Secondly fire is here taken allegorically as the rest of the words are of gold siluer stubble neither can it be taken for their Purgatorie fire because it trieth the workes onely not the persons and all must be tried by this fire as well those that build gold and siluer as the
other but all shall not passe through Purgatorie by their owne confession They are driuen to this shift to graunt that vers 13. the fire is taken in one sense namely for the sentence and iudgement of God and vers 15. in another that is for the flames of Purgatorie But who seeth not how absurd a thing this is that in an allegorie the same word and in the same place should be so diuersly taken Thirdly The day shall reueale it that is sayth Bellarmine the day of the Lord at the comming of Christ the Rhemists vnderstand the particular day of euery mans death so well they agree together But it is apparant that this is the meaning that the day that is the time shall declare it for God hath appoynted a time to examine euery mans doctrine by fire which is nothing els but the iudgement of God by the fire of his word whereby euery man in the day of his calling and conuersion shall knowe whether he hath preached aright or not Fulk The Protestants THat there is no such place of Purgatorie after this life but that here onely is the place of repentance and to be reconciled vnto God and that the soules departed are presently either receiued vp to heauen or thrust downe to hell thus it is proued out of the scriptures Argum. 1. The scripture maketh but two kinds of works either good or euill Ecclesiastes 12.14 But two sorts of men he that beleeueth shall be saued he that beleeueth not shall be condemned Mark 16.16 But two places heauen and hell Math. 25. Christ hath but two flockes one of sheepe at the right hand another of goates at the left and he saith to the one Come ye blessed to the other Goe ye cursed There are but two sorts of men therefore but two places Ergo no Purgatorie Bellarm. There shall be indeede at the comming of Christ but two places heauen and hell Purgatorie shall haue an end Ans. First you say your selues that there shall be two infernall places for euer Hell for the wicked and a Limbus for infants that dye vnbaptized and heauen that maketh three and now you say there shall be but two Secondly there are but two places now because there are but two sorts of men for the beleeuers are alreadie passed frō death to life Iohn 5.24 The vnbeleeuers are alreadie condemned Iohn 3.18 Thirdly Augustine consenteth with vs Non est vlli vllus medius locus vt possit esse nisi cum diabolo qui non est cum Christo There is no middle or third place but he must needes be with the diuell that is not with Christ. De peccator remiss merit lib. 1. cap. 28. And againe Tertium locum penitus ignoramus imo nec esse in scripturis sanctis inuenimus The third place beside heauen and hell we are vtterly ignorant of nay wee finde not in scripture that there is any Arg. 2. S. Paul saith that euery man shall receiue the works of his bodie according to that which he hath done either good or euill 2. Cor. 5.10 Therefore there is no place to cleanse and purge the soules of men after this life for then they should not receiue according to the works done in their flesh Bellarmine sayth that euen they whose sinnes are remitted after death doe receiue nothing but that which was done in the flesh for they deserued in their life time to be helped after death Ans. First as for desert we will shewe elsewhere that it hath no place before God neither in this life nor the life to come for the scripture sayth Blessed is he to whom the Lord imputeth no sinne not who deserueth remission of sinnes Rom. 4.6 Secondly this deuised and friuolous distinction doth not stand with the Apostles meaning for he speaketh of things actually done in the flesh not deserued to be done and of the workes of the bodie not of the soule of things perfectly done not begun onely or in choate and he vseth it as a reason to perswade men euen while they liue to be accepted of God vers 9.11 But if there might be any such helpe after death there needeth no such hast presently to be conuerted vnto God Argum. 3. Apocal. 14.13 Blessed are the dead from henceforth that dye in the Lord for they rest from their labours Ergo there is no Purgatorie for all the godly departed are at rest Bellarm. First it is not meant of all the godly but onely of Martyrs which dye for the name of Christ. Ans. As to liue in Christ Iesus is a phrase of scripture signifieth to liue godly in Christ 2. Timot. 3.12 so to dye in the Lord signifieth to dye in the faith of Christ 1. Thessal 4.16 Therefore this place is vnderstood of all the godly Bellar. 2. This word amodò from henceforth is not to be vnderstood straight after their death but straight after the day of iudgement thē they shal be blessed Ans. First by this reason none that are dead in Christ should be happie before that time And yet by your owne confession Martyrs are straightway receiued vp to heauen Secondly S. Iohn vseth this word elsewhere to signifie from this time forward as Iohn 1.51 Christ sayth to Nathanael From henceforth you shall see heauen open Rhemist Thirdly it may be also vnderstood of the soules of Purgatorie that are without danger of sinne and damnation and are put in vnfallible securitie of their saluation with vnspeakable comfort Ans. First so the Saints liuing are blessed being as well without feare of damnation Rom. 8.1 and are assured of their saluation Rom. 8.16 Secondly I pray you what rest or comfort can they haue that endure greater paine then any in this life And how can their consciences be quieted seeing their soules are so afflicted for bodies they haue none whatsoeuer they suffer is in soule how then can ioy and paine comfort and horror be together in the soule Fulk ibid. THE SECOND PART OF THE CIRCVMSTANces and other matters belonging to Purgatorie The Papists error 11 1. THey say it is an article of faith to beleeue that there is a Purgatorie and that he which beleeueth it not is sure to goe to Hell Bellarm. lib. 1. de purgatorio cap. 11. The Protestants WE hold that it is not onely an article belonging to the faith but contrarie to it and that though there were a Purgatorie yet it should not be necessarie to saluation to beleeue it First because the scripture hath not determined it which containeth all things necessarie to saluation Secondly the Greeke Church holdeth it not to this day they confesse no Purgatorie though they pray for the dead it were a hard matter therfore to pronounce them damned Thirdly Augustine doubted of it He sayth that there should be some such place after death non incredibile est it is not incredible vtrum ita sit quaeri potest aut inueniri aut latere fideles potest whether it be so or not
and religious deuotion to the dead bodies of Saints Rhemist Math. 14. sect 2. Their bodies are the temples of the holy Ghost and shall be raised againe to life Ergo they must be adored and worshipped Trident. Concil sess 25. Ans. One answere may serue for all these arguments We denie not but that the dead bodies of the faithfull are to be layd vp with reuerence in hope of the resurrection but it therefore followeth not that they must be abused to idolatrie Iohns disciples buried his bodie but shrined it not to be worshipped Iosias made difference betweene the bones of the idolatrous priests and of the true Prophet the one he burned and thought them vnworthie of honest sepulture the other he suffered to rest and enioy the honour of buriall But of any adoration or worshipping of his bones we reade not The Protestants THe bodies of Martyrs are reuerently to be brought to the ground in testimonie of our hope of their resurrection and their memorie is to be honored as in praising God for their constant martyrdome so the Psalmist sayth Right precious in the sight of God is the death of his Saints Psalm 116. As also in following their steps and propounding vnto vs their good example but to adore and worship their bones to kisse and kneele downe at their sepulchres is to too grosse idolatrie and not to be vsed amongst Christians 1 The Lord did of purpose himselfe burie the bodie of Moses in a secret place which was neuer knowne to the Israelites and this reason is generally rendered by most writers lest the people of Israel should worship his body and so commit idolatrie Ergo the adoration of the bodies of Saints displeaseth God Argum. Caluin Bellarmine answereth that though the people of Israel might by that meanes haue fallen into idolatrie yet the people of God may now more safely honour reliques because they are not so prone to idolatrie Ans. Experience of popish idolatrie proueth the cleane contrarie for the like superstition and worshipping of images was neuer so common and vsuall no not in the most corrupt times of that Church as now it is in poperie 2 Our Sauiour Christ reproueth the Scribes and Pharisees calling them hypocrites because they did garnish the sepulchres of the Prophets whom their forefathers put to death Math. 23.29 But their doctrine they neglected and regarded not Such hypocrites are the Papists at this day who commit a double fault for they contemne the doctrine of the Apostles whose memories they would seeme to honour and againe in the superstitious honour and worship which they yeeld vnto them they exceed the bonds of Christian pietie 3 Their bodies were not to be worshipped when they were aliue much lesse now they are dead What are they now but earth dust and ashes according as the Lord sayd to Adam Thou art dust and to dust shalt thou returne Genes 3.19 What is this els but to worship the earth euen dust and ashes So Augustine saith Timeo adorare terram ne damnet me qui fecit coelum terram I am afraid to worship the earth lest he condemne me that made both heauen and earth Onely in Christ sayth he I finde quomodo sine impietate adoretur terra how the earth that is his body may be worshipped without any impietie namely because of the neere coniunction and vnion of his humane nature with the Godhead in one person for otherwise of it selfe the bodie of Christ is Gods creature and workmanship and not capable of diuine worship This then is the priuiledge that Christ hath more then all Saints and Martyrs beside that in him onely the humanitie is adored THE SECOND PART OF THE TRANSLAtion of the bodies of Saints The Papists IT is an vsuall thing amongst them to translate and carrie from one place to error 32 another the bones and reliques of Saints as they say Iohn Baptists head was translated from Samaria to Alexandria and is now at Amiens in France Rhemist Math. 14. sect 1. So the body of S. Luke was remoued they say from Achaia to Constantinople and from thence to Padua in Italy where now it remaineth Argument in Luk. Rhemist The stone also that hit S. Stephen is now at Ancona in Italy Act. 7. sect 6. Argum. 1. Ioseph gaue charge concerning his bones when he died and they were remoued from Egypt to the land of Canaan at the departure of the Israelites Exod. 13. Heb. 11.22 Ergo the remouing and translation of Saints bodies or reliques lawfull Rhemist Bellarm. cap. 3. Ans. Ioseph gaue commandement concerning his bones to testifie his faith and hope in the promise of God for the inheritance of the land of Canaan they were not remoued to be adored or worshipped Ergo no such translation of reliques is hereby proued Secondly you can shew no such charge that S. Paul Peter or any of the rest gaue concerning the translation of their bodies as Ioseph gaue vnto his posteritie The Protestants WE denie not but that the bodies of the dead before they be interred may bee conueyed vnto the place of their buriall as Iosias was carried being dead by his seruants from Megiddo to Ierusalem where a sepulchre was prepared for him 2. King 23.30 But either for the dead to be remoued to be buried in some one place more then another for the holinesse thereof or the bones of Saints to be raked out of their graues and translated with intent to shrine them and set them vp to be adored they are superstitious customes and not vsed of ancient time among the people of God Argum. 1. That the place profiteth not the dead but vnto them it is all alike wheresoeuer they are buried we haue shewed afore 1. part controuer 9 quaest 2. part 4. The example of Augustines mother is notable and worthie the memorie She had with great care prouided her a sepulchre neere vnto her husband who dyed at Thagasta in Africa and was there buried and was purposed her selfe to lye by him but the Lord so disposed that she left her life at Hostia in Italie and being readie to depart she sayd thus to her sonnes Ponite hoc corpus vbicunque nihil vos eius cura conturbet Burie my bodie where you thinke good take no great care for it And being asked if it grieued her not to leaue her body so farre off from her owne citie she gaue this godly answere Nihil longe est à Deo neque timendum est ne ille non agnoscat in fine seculi vnde me resuscitet August lib. confess 9. cap. 11. No place is neerer to God then other neither am I to feare lest the Lord should not as well raise me vp in this place as in mine owne citie Ergo in respect of the dead it skilleth not where they are buried Argum. 2. The other custome of translating of reliques to be worshipped is farre more impious and superstitious for hereupon it commeth that the people haue been deceiued with false
be lawfull to worship them Fourthly what manner of worship it should be THE FIRST ARTICLE OF THE DIFFErence betweene Idols and Images The Papists THere is great difference say they betweene an Image and an Idoll an Image called in Greeke 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is the true similitude of a thing an Idoll 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 error 38 in Greeke translated simulachrum doth represent that which is not as were the Idols of Venus Minerua women Goddesses which was a meere deuised thing Images they confesse they haue but no Idols Bellarm. cap. 5. First S. Paul sayth 1. Corinth 10. That an Idoll is nothing that is doth represent a thing that is not as such were their heathenish Idols Bellarm. Ans. First the place is not so vnderstood for the Apostle sayth That things offered to Idols also are nothing which were not made to represent any thing But his meaning is this that of themselues they are nothing to breede offence neither were it needfull to shunne eating of Idoll sacrifices or to abhorre an Idoll but that they are abused and turned to the seruice of diuels as it followeth in the next verse Therefore an Idoll is not sayd to be nothing because it representeth a thing imagined but that of it selfe being but wood or stone or such like it were not offensiue if it were not abused to idolatrie Secondly all the portraictures of the Heathen were not Idols in this sense for Iupiter Mars Apollo Hercules whose images they had were men sometime liuing Thirdly you haue images representing nothing as the pictures of Angels of God the Father of the holy Ghost which haue no shape nor likenes Againe you haue also your imagined Saints as S. George S. Christopher for there were neuer any such and therefore you haue Idols as well as the Heathen The Protestants THough the name Idoll haue an odious signification in the English tongue yet neither the Greeke 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 nor the Latine simulachrum doe sound so euill vnto the eares and in many places of the scripture we may in differently reade idoll or image for all worshipping of Images is idolatrie If we will distinguish them they are thus rather to be seuered An Idoll is that image which is set vp with an intent to be worshipped an Image is a generall name as well to vnlawfull pictures set vp for idolatrie as lawfull which haue but a ciuill vse But that the Papists Idols are images thus we proue it Argum. 1. The scripture calleth the Gentiles Idols images Rom. 1.23 there the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is vsed Ergo idoll and image are taken for one they haue images set vp for religious or rather irreligious vses Ergo Idols Arg. 2. Apocal. 9.20 There is mention made of Idols of gold siluer brasse which cannot be vnderstood of the Idols of the Gentiles which were abolished long agoe and that prophecie is to be vnderstood of men liuing after the opening of the seuenth seale which is toward the end of the world Wherefore it must needes be vnderstood of the Papists who are the onely knowne people in the world that worship images Ergo they haue Idols Augustine taketh imago and simulachrum which is the Latine for the Greeke 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 for all one for the loue of the dead sayth he images were first made whereof the vse of simulachers or Idols doe arise THE SECOND ARTICLE WHETHER IT BE lawfull to haue the images of the Trinitie of Christ or of the Angels The Papists error 39 THat Images may haue a good ciuill vse as for decencie or comelines of some worke or for vtilitie of storie it is of neither part denied but they further affirme that it is lawfull to expresse the Trinitie by pictures as God like an olde man and with the world in his hand Christ as he walked vpon the earth the holy Ghost in the likenes of a Doue the Angels with wings and these pictures they say are very meete and profitable to be set vp in Churches Rhemist Act. 17. sect 5. Arg. 1. To paint the Trinitie or any one of them as they appeared visiblie is no more inconuenient then it was vndecent for them so to appeare Rhem. ibid. Ans. You flatly controll the law of God which simply forbiddeth any similitude to be made of things in heauen or in earth to worship God by And Deut. 4.15 God expresly declareth that he would not appeare in any visible shape when he gaue the law lest the people should abuse that shape to make an image of God after it Lastly the argument followeth not for God sawe it was conuenient sometime by visible signes to appeare vnto men and yet seeth it to be inconuenient for pictures to be made to resemble him by for els he would neuer haue forbidden it Arg. 2. The angels were pictured in forme of Cherubims Ergo Spirits may be portraicted Ans. When you can shewe an expresse commandement for your images as the Israelites had for them we will yeeld that they are lawfully made Againe how followeth it God may command images to be made for the vse of religion Ergo men may for the law bindeth not the Lord who is the lawmaker But the law sayth thou shalt not make to thy selfe that is by thine owne authoritie any grauen image The Cherubims also were not made publikely to be seene and gazed vpon by the people but were set in the holy place so are not your pictures and images which are set vp openly in your Churches to entise people to idolatrie The Protestants TO set forth the Godhead and diuine nature by any picture or image is impossible and therefore both vnlawfull and inconuenient but to bring them into Churches and to make them for some vse of religion is a high steppe vnto grosse superstition 1. Such images of the Trinitie among the Papists are made to resemble the diuinitie and Godhead for to what purpose els should such images be made Fulk Act. 17. sect 5. They picture God the Father like an old man because in that forme he appeared to Daniel but how knowe they whether it were God the Father rather then God the Sonne who is as old as God the Father or then the whole Godhead They commend also the image of God the Father with the world in his hand which is a lying image and maketh simple people to beleeue that the world was made onely by God the Father which was the worke of the whole Trinitie Some of the Papists themselues as Abulensis Durandus Peresius doe hold that the image of God ought not to be made and that it is rather tolerated then allowed in the Church As for the images of Christ in the forme of a Lambe and the holy Ghost in shape of a Doue Bartholomaeus Caranza a papist sheweth that they were forbidden in the sixt generall Synode Canon 28. And this Bellarmine denyeth not Concerning the picture of Christ as he was man the Papists
had not in the meane time been found to be with childe of the holy Ghost for otherwise it shuld seeme to haue been a mockery on Maries behalfe to promise mariage to Ioseph without any purpose to performe the duety of mariage But if it were done with both their consents then mocked they with God who instituted mariage for some ende and purpose which could not be attayned out of mariage for they should haue maried neither for auoyding fornication nor for procreation which are the two chiefe ends of mariage as for the third which is mutuall comfort it ariseth of the former Argum. 2. It was not the manner among the Iewes to vow Virginitie but it was rather a shame and reproch to remayne and die a Virgin and therefore Iephthaths daughter lamented her Virginitie Iudg. 11.38 Howe then could Marie be induced contrary to the custome of the Church to vow Virginitie Yea Augustine confesseth as much Hoc mores Israelitarum recusabant The manners of the Israelites did not suffer it de Virginit cap. 4. though he himselfe els-where and in the same place seemeth to incline to the contrary opinion THE THIRD PART OF THE ASsumption of the Virgin Marie The Papists THey report the story of the death and departure of the Virgin Mary after error 82 this manner At the time of her death after she had liued sixtie three years all the Apostles being dispersed into diuers nations were myraculously brought together to Ierusalem to solemnize her funerall They buried her in Gethsemani and for three dayes together the Angels were heard to sing melodious songs At three dayes ende also Saint Thomas came who being desirous to see her bodie and not finding it in the graue they thereupon assuredly deemed that her body was assumpted into heauen Rhemist Act. 1. vers 14. Argum. 1. It is best agreeable to the priuiledge of the mother of God not to see corruption Rhemist ibid. Seeing also her sonne was exempted from corruption natura Mariae excipitur the nature of Marie must be excepted caro enim Iesu est caro Mariae the flesh of Iesus is the flesh of Marie And seeing Christ came to fulfil the law which sayth Honor thy parents it is very like eum in morte speciali gratia eam honorasse that he did honor her by special grace in her death These reasons and other are to be read in a forged booke amongst Augustines works bearing title De assumptione Mariae Answ. First there is no credite to be giuen to the forged writings which passe vnder the name of Saint Denis and Athanasius out of whom they doe reporte the assumption of Marie nay their owne lesson which they reade vpon the Assumption day doth controll and confute the other First that story saith that without doubt she was taken vp in bodie But your lesson leaueth it as vncertayne whether she were raysed vp in body or not Secondly the forged story sayth she was buried in Gethsemani which was in mount Oliuet your lesson sayth that the place of her buriall is in the midst of the valley of Iehosaphat which is betweene mount Oliuet and the Citie Fulk ibid. Secondly it followeth not because Christ tooke flesh of the Virgin that therfore she should also as well be exempted from corruption for hee tooke flesh also of Dauid and other his progenitors who by the same reason should bee made immortall And if she were priuiledged by beeing the mother of Christ from seeing corruption why not also from hauing anie sinne for her Sonne after the flesh saw neither Thirdly Christ also both did and might honor his mother as he was man though so great a priuiledge bee not graunted vnto her The reuerence which was to be done to his mother was in regard of his manhood and so was he obedient vnto them Luk. 2.51 and so long as he liued in the flesh and therefore he did care for her euen vpon the crosse commending her to the disciple whom he loued But he neither was to honour her as he was God and therfore not to free her from corruption which had been a work of his Godhead and the natural affection and honour due vnto parents ceaseth after this life It were then too grosse a conceit to think that Christ hath such regard now of the virgin Marie in heauen as he had of her being his mother in the dayes of his flesh for Christ as he is not now knowen after the flesh 2. Corinth 5.16 so neither knoweth he any after the flesh The Protestants THis vncertaine reporte of the assumption of Mary with other circumstances thereof we holde to bee a very counterfeit storie and worthy of no credite Argum. 1. If it were a matter of such waight as they make it who haue erected a new found holy-day of the assumption of Mary surely the scriptures would not haue been silent therein especially Saint Iohn as Augustine saith to whose charge she was committed would haue left somewhat in writing of that matter for sayth he Nullus fideliùs id narrare potuerit for no man could more truely and faythfully make relation thereof Argum. 2 That generall sentence pronounced vpon Adam and all Adams seede must needes also take place in the virgin Marie Thou art dust and to dust shalt thou returne Genes 3.19 Christ onely is excepted and that by the testimonie of the word of God wherefore vnles this priuiledge of the virgin could be proued out of scripture as Christs is we must needs hold her subiect to that generall law of corruption Augustine sayth Assumptio eius in apocrypha non in catholica reperitur historia the assumption of Mary is found in an Apocryphal that is an obscure and vncertaine not a Catholike or authentical storie THE FOVRTH PART OF THE HOnor and worship of the Virgin Marie The Papists error 83 THey doe ascribe vnto her a kinde of religious honor more then to any of the Saynts beside For whereas they call the worship of Saints 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 seruice the honor of the Virgin they tearme 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a higher kinde of seruice Bellarmin de Sanct. lib. 2. cap. 25. They call her Regina mundi scala coeli thronus dei ianua Paradisi The Queene of the world the ladder of heauen the throne of God and gate of Paradise yea they giue her iurisdiction ouer her sonne Iube natum commaund thy sonne Iure matris impera filio commaund thy sonne by the right of a mother Coge Deum compell God to be mercifull to sinners Annot Fulk 1.15 Againe they say she is to be honoured with the feasts of her Natiuitie Assumption and Conception for the other two of her Purification and Annuntiation are not proper to the Virgine but concerne Christ the one his Conception the other his Presentation Rhemist actor 1. sect 7. Argum. She her selfe prophecieth of all Catholike generations that they should blesse her in keeping her festiuities and memorials but if these
festiuities of her Conception and Assumption be not kept she should haue none at all and so be thought worthie of lesse remembrance then any other Saint Galat. 4. sect 5. Rhemist The Protestants 1. WE doe not celebrate any festiuall daies in the honour of creatures neither of the Virgine Mary nor any other Saint but only to the honor of God and therefore the feasts of the Annuntiation and Purification may much better be receiued because they belong and are referred vnto Christ then the other festiuities of the assumption and conception of Mary the institution whereof was most superstitious the one for the fayned assumption of her bodie which your owne writers are vncertaine of the other to maintaine the heresie of the Franciscanes that she was conceiued and borne without sinne As for the memorie of the Virgine Mary it may better be kept then by such festiuities as our Sauiour Christ taught to keepe the remēbrance of Mary Magdalene by preaching the Gospell Math. 26.13 Fulk annot Act. 1.7 And if they only are Catholike generations that call her blessed in keeping these festiuities in her memoriall then there were no Catholike generations for many hundred yeeres after and so do you condemne the age of the Apostles for neither then nor many yeres after were these superstitious festiuities heard of But Mary saith in her song From henceforth euen from this time forward shall all generations call me blessed so that if her blessednesse had consisted in the memorie of those daies they should immediatly haue been kept especially the day of her natiuitie Fulk Galath 4. sect 5. 2. We doe allow all praise giuen vnto the Virgine without the dishonour of God and her Sonne and Sauiour Christ we doe acknowledge the honour that God vouchsafed her not to be a meritorious or principall efficient cause of our redemption but onely an holy vessell and instrumentall cause of the conception and birth of Christ by whose only merite and worthines our redemption is perfited as by a proper and principall and onely meritorious efficient cause thereof And therefore those are blasphemous titles which are giuen vnto her to call her the ladder of Heauen and gate of Paradise and such like and so in a manner to make her our redeemer Augustine saith She was more happie in that she conceiued the faith of Christ then in conceiuing the flesh of Christ. If then these titles be vnmeet for her in respect that she receiued the faith of Christ which is common to al the children of God then are they more vnfit in that she conceiued the flesh of Christ. 3. It is great presumption to thinke that the Virgine Mary may command her sonne in heauen seeing she had no authoritie to command him vpon earth in any thing pertaining to his office Ioh. 2.4 And now likewise that carnall respect of children to their parents ceaseth in the kingdome of God As for that superioritie higher kind of honour which she hath aboue al the Saints beside we finde no warrant out of scripture She is respected now in heauen not as she bare the flesh of Christ but as she liued by faith in Christ she also reioyced in God her Sauiour The scripture therefore maketh one condition and estate of all that shall be saued and sayth generally of all of others as well as the Virgine Christs mother That they shall be as the angels in heauen Matth. 22.30 Yea our Sauiour sheweth that Whosoeuer doth the wil of God is his sister brother and mother Math. 12.50 By the which we learne that other the faithfull seruants of GOD may by their faith in Christ be as well accepted of God as if they had borne Christ in the flesh Where then is that high dignitie which she hath as the mother of Christ aboue all Saints Augustine saith Tu concinis sine fine choris coniuncta Angelis Archangelis sociata Thou O Virgine doest reioyce being ioyned vnto the heauenly quire being associated to Angels and Archangels He maketh her not Ladie or Queene of heauen but onely a fellow companion of the Saints and Angels AN APPENDIX OR FIFT PART OF THE MErites of the Virgine and of the Aue Maria. The Papists 1. THey doe teach and hold that she onely amongst all women deserued to error 84 beare the redeemer of the world and so by her merites obtained that fauour to be the mother of Christ. Argum. The Angel saluteth her calleth her Full of grace which sheweth the prerogatiue that she had aboue other women and the worthines that was in her Rhemist Luk. 1. sect 12.15 The Protestants Ans. 1. Wee acknowledge that herein she was blessed aboue all other women in that she was chosen to be the mother of our Sauiour and that she was endued fully with the graces of the holy Ghost but those graces she had not of her selfe but of the free gift of God without her merites 2. The word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 signifieth freely beloued not full of grace as it is likewise taken Ephes. 1.6 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 He hath made vs accepted in his beloued Sonne 3. She her selfe confesseth her selfe in her song to bee of a lowe degree poore in spirit and hungrie whom God in mercie looked vpon Luk. 1.50 whereas God sent away the proud and rich as the proud Pharisie that thought himselfe rich of good workes obtained nothing of God Luk. 18. Wherefore if she had stood vpon her owne deserts she had made her selfe rich not poore neither should she haue magnified the mercie of God but his iustice for when a reward is giuen according to desert it is of his iustice and not mercie Augustine thus commenteth vpon the words of her song Magnificet animae mea Dominum recordetur quomodo nullis suis praecedentibus meritis sed sola dei bonitate sit ab iniquitate saluata Let my soule praise the Lord and remember how that not by any merites going before but through the only gracious goodnes of God it is deliuered from sinne Ergo Mary not saued by her merites nor consequently the mother of Christ by her merites but onely by the meere fauour of God The Papists 2. THey much commend the often vsing of the Aue Mary which is done say error 85 they to the honour of Christ and our Ladie Argum. They be the very summe and abridgement of the whole Gospell and therefore to be vsed Rhemist Luk. 1. sect 11. The Protestants 1. You do shamefully abuse those words in making a praier of them which was but a forme of salutation vsed by the Angel neither can you say them in that sense they were vttered in by the Angel Also you offend in the vaine repetition of them vpon your beades as the heathen did Math. 6.7 and in committing idolatrie in the inuocating of the Virgine and praying vnto her in these words who is a creature and not a God to be called vpon 2. What mysterie soeuer be contained
hath receiued a true liuely faith and is thereby iustified before God can neuer fall away neither can that faith vtterlie perish or faile in him for He that beleeueth is alreadie passed from death to life Iohn 5.24 If then it be possible for a man to be brought from life to death from heauen back againe to hell then may a faithfull beleeuer become also a faithlesse infidell Augustine doth plainely set downe his sentence of this matter Horum fides quae per dilectionem operatur profectò aut omnino non deficit aut siqui sunt quorum deficit reparatur antequam vita ista finiatur Their faith which worketh by loue either neuer faileth at all or if it doe fayle in any it is repaired againe before their life be ended THE EIGHT PART WHETHER wicked men may haue a true faith The Papists THe certaintie of remission of sins with a sure confidence and trust in Christ error 85 may be found euen amongst schismatikes heretikes and wicked men Conc. Trident. sess 6. cap. 9. The Protestants IT is impossible that a true liuelie faith whereby wee are iustified before God which worketh in vs a sure confidence and trust in God should enter into the heart of a wicked man Argum. Christ saith Hee that beleeueth in mee shall neuer thirst Iohn 6.35 And verse 40. This is the will of God that hee that beleeueth in me should haue eternall life Ergo if wicked men and reprobates may haue this faith they also shall haue euerlasting life which is a thing impossible Augustine Nostra fides .i. catholica fides iustos ab iniustis non operum sed ipsa fidei lege discernit quia iustus ex fide viuet The Catholike faith discerneth iust men from vniust not by workes but by the lawe of faith for the iust shall liue by faith If then the difference betweene the godlie and wicked be onely faith if the one may haue faith as well as the other there should bee no difference betweene them THE THIRD QVESTION OF good workes THe parts of this question first what workes are to be counted good works secondly whether there are any good workes without faith thirdly of the vse and office of good workes whether they bee applicatorie expiatorie meritorious fourthly of the distinction of merites fiftly the manner of meriting THE FIRST PART WHICH BE the good workes of Christians The Papists THey doe not onely call them good workes which are commanded of God error 86 but which are also enioyned by the Church and the gouernours thereof and that euen by such workes men are iustified Concil Trident. sess 6. cap. 10. Tapper ex Tileman loc 11. Err. 1. The Protestants SAint Paul defineth good workes otherwise namely those which God hath ordeyned that we should walke in them Ephes. 2.10 They are not the precepts of men but the commandements of God in his word the doing whereof hath the name of good workes As for the traditions and iniunctions of men not warranted by Gods word they are so far from being commended or commanded that our Sauiour calleth the doing thereof but a Worshipping of God in vaine Mark 7.7 Augustine vpon those words in the 103. Psalme vers 18. The louing kindenes of the Lorde is vpon those that keepe his couenant and thinke vpon his commandements to doe them saith thus Vide vt praecepta teneas sed quomodo teneas non memoria sed vita Memoria retinentibus mandata eius non vt reddant ea sed vt faciant ea See that thou keepe Gods commandements but how not in thy memorie but in thy life not to say them by rote but to doe them Ergo they are Gods commandements which we must thinke of to doe them for vnto such the blessing is promised not to the obseruers of mens precepts or traditions THE SECOND PART WHEther there bee any good workes without faith The Papists THough they dare not altogether iustifie the workes of the heathen and infidels error 87 yet they doe excuse them and doe blame vs for saying that infidels doe sinne in honoring their parents in fighting for their Countrey and such like They therefore doe discharge the heathen of sinne in these workes of theirs Rhemist Rom. 14. sect 4. The Protestants THese workes are not sinne in themselues but in infidels they are because they proceede of infidelitie Argum. It is the rule of the Gospell that a corrupt tree cannot bring foorth good fruite Matth. 7.18 But all infidels are corrupt trees being without faith Ergo they can bring forth no good fruite The Pelagians thought to haue posed Augustine with the same question which the papists propound to vs. Was it sinne in the heathen say they to clothe the naked Augustine answereth Non per seipsum factum peccatum est sed de tali opere non in domino gloriari solus impius negat esse peccatum The fact of it selfe is not sin but in doing any such thing not to reioyce in the Lord none but wicked men will denie it to be sinne THE THIRD PART OF THE vse and office of good workes THey make a threefold vse of good workes as they call them first by them the merites of Christ they say are applied vnto vs secondly they doe purge our sinnes thirdly they are meritorious THE FIRST ARTICLE WHEther bona opera be applicatoria The Papists BY any worke proceeding of faith and charitie the merite of Christs passion error 88 is applied to vs Soto ex Tilemann loc 11. err 21. Men by their sufferings and other workes may applie to themselues the generall medicine of Christs merites and satisfaction Rhemist annot 1. Coloss. sect 4. The Protestants IT is the propertie of faith onely to apprehend and applie vnto vs the benefits of Christs passion and all other his merites Argum. Rom. 10.7.8 We neede not saith the Apostle to ascend to heauen or descend into the deepe to bring Christ from thence it is the word of faith which wee preach By faith then we doe scale the heauens and beholde Christ it is not the doctrine of works but the word of faith that performeth this And therefore the Apostle defineth faith to be the ground of things hoped for and the euidence of things not seene Heb. 11.1 This definition cānot agree vnto works or vnto any other thing but faith for then it were no good definition nor yet description Ergo faith onely is the euidence of things inuisible and therefore onely applieth Christs precious merites which are things beleeued and not seene Augustine thus also describeth faith Rerum absentium praesens est fides rerum quae foris sunt intus est fides rerum quae non videntur videtur fides Faith maketh things absent present things without vs to bee within vs things not seene to bee seene Ergo faith onely hath this applicatorie power to applie Christs merites not present nor seene and to make them as our owne THE SECOND ARTICLE WHEther bona
opera be expiatoria The Papists THe workes of charitie and mercie as almes deedes and such like haue error 89 force to extinguish our sinnes as Saint Peter saith Charitie doth couer a multitude of sinnes Epist. 1.4.8 Rhemist ibid. The Protestants Ans. THe Apostle speaketh of mutuall charitie amongst our selues whose propertie is to couer a multitude of our neighbours offences as Solomon saith Prou. 10.11 Hatred stirreth vp contentions but loue couereth trespasses what is this to the extinguishing of our sinnes before God Argum. It is an abominable and blasphemous opinion that any man by his workes should be able to redeeme his sinnes for the Scripture saith that by himselfe Christ hath purged our sinnes Heb. 1.3 If hee haue wholly done it by himselfe he hath not giuen this power and force of redemption to any other meanes If they vnderstand by the force of extinguishing sinnes the meanes onelie of applying Christs merites in that sense faith onely is saide to saue vs Ephes. 2.8 Augustine Si merita nostra aliquid facerent ad damnationem nostram veniret sed non venit ad inspectionem meritorum sed remissionem peccatorum If our merites were auailable to any purpose God should come to our condemnation but hee commeth not to behold our merites but to forgiue vs our sins Ergo by our merites our sinnes are not forgiuen THE THIRD ARTICLE WHEther our works be meritorious The Papists error 90 GOD giueth as well euerlasting life and glorie to men for and according to their workes as he giueth damnation for the contrary works Rhemist Rom. 2. sect 2. And men by their workes proceeding of grace doe deserue or merite heauen and the more or lesse ioy in the same 1. Corinth 3. sect 2. Argum. 1. He will render to euery man according to his workes Rom. 2.6 Euery man shall receiue his reward according to his labour Here we see the kingdome of heauen is a retribution hyre wages for workes Ergo our works are the value price worth and merite of the same Rhemist Answ. Our labors and workes are a measure of the reward according to the which God doth mete out and render vnto his Saints of the heauenly reward but they are no meritorious or deseruing cause thereof The reward is of mercie not of desert of grace not of merite for life eternall is the meere gift of God through Iesus Christ Rom. 6.23 But the wages of sinne is death Where the Apostle doth set a manifest difference betweene the reward of the righteous and the iust recompence of the wicked for life eternall is the free and gracious gift of God not deserued but eternall damnation is the due debt of sinne Wherefore the Papists doe bid open battell to the Apostle in saying that the one is as due by debt as the other Argum. 2. Saint Paul sayth 2. Timoth 4.8 that there is a crowne of righteousnes layd vp for him which God the iust iudge shal giue him Ergo the crown is giuen not of mercie but of iustice as a wages and iust recompence to the Apostle Answ. God rendreth heauen as a iust Iudge not to the merite and worthines of our workes but to the merite and worthines of Christ and as due to vs by his promise made to vs in Christ. The reward therefore of heauen is of the mercie of God who hath freely promised it vs in Christ It is of his iustice in that he is faythfull and iust in keeping of his promise made to vs. So that it is a debt not in respect of any desert in vs but in regard of his owne promise As Augustine sayth Debitorem ipse se dominus fecit non accipiendo sed promittendo Non ei dicitur redde quod accepisti sed redde quod promisisti God hath made himselfe a debtor by promising not by receiuing any thing at our handes We say not to him render that thou hast receiued but giue that which thou hast promised in Psalm 83. The Protestants WE confesse a necessary vse of good workes As first they doe serue as notable meanes and instruments to set forth Gods glory by Math. 5.16 Secondly by them also our fayth is shewed published and made knowen for the good example of others Iam. 2.18 Thirdly our own conscience also is thereby quieted and our election daylie made more sure vnto vs we doe grow and increase in the certainty and assurance thereof 1. Pet. 1.10 But we acknowledge no power force or efficacie at all in them to deserue and merite any thing at the hands of God neither doth the scripture in any place so speake Argum. 1. If man consider his deserts he shall finde that he is worthy of nothing but death To vs sâ—yth the Prophet belongeth shame Dan. 9.9 There is nothing els by debt due vnto vs as Augustine also sayth Nihil praecesserat in meritis nostris nisi vnde damnari deberemus Nothing goeth before in our merites but that whereby we ought iustly to be condemned And agayne Omne peccatum nostrae est negligentiae omnis virtus sanctitas est Dei indulgentiae All euill and sin in vs is of our owne negligence all goodnes and holines of the free mercy of God Si misericordiae domini multae multus egò in meritis If the mercies of God be many my merites are many Gods mercies are our merites our due debts are nothing els but punishment for sinne Argum. 2. Betweene the desert or merite and the wages or recompence there ought alwayes to be some proportion a like stipend for a like labour But heauen without comparison exceedeth the worthines of our workes Ergo it is not giuen as a debt but as a free gift therefore the Apostle sayth that the afflictions that are present are not worthy of the glory that shall bee reuealed Rom. 8.18 Augustine sayth Quà m paruo constat regnum coelorum duob minutis emit vidua regnum coelorum How little doth the kingdome of God stand vs in a certaine widow for two mites bought the kingdome of heauen Shall we think that the widowes casting in of two mites deserued the kingdome of heauen Farre be it from vs so to think it is then a gift of â—auour and mercie not wages of debt Argum. 3. Saint Paul sayth Fayth is counted to him for righteousnes that worketh not Rom. 4.5 If it be of grace it is no more of workes for then grace were no more grace If of worke then not of grace for then worke were no more worke Rom. 11.9 We see that the righteousnes of fayth or of grace and the righteousnesse of workes cannot stand together nor be matched one with the other Our aduersaries haue here two euasions First they graunt that the beginning of our iustification which they call the first iustification is meerely of Gods grace neither can we haue any acceptable works before we are iustified but in the second iustification which is the increase of the former iustice a man may merite
my God which wordes must needs declare an inward confideÌ„ce and assured trust in God The Protestants WE holde it was necessary for our redemption that Christ should not onely suffer bodily paines but also feele the very anguish and horror of soule that as by his death we are redeemed both body and soule so he should pay the ransome for both in his body and soule 1. That our Sauiour suffered great anguish in soule the scripture testifieth for before his suffring in his body vpon the crosse being in the garden he saith of himselfe My soule is heauy vnto death at the same time being grieuously troubled he sweat water and blood and last of all hanging vpon the crosse he cryed out By those effectes it is euidently proued that there was a greater feare in him then of the death of the body for many holy Martyrs haue without any shew of such griefe endured horrible torments in the flesh and therefore consequently it followeth that those things proceeded from the griefe of his soule as the Apostle sheweth Heb. 5.7 He offered vp praiers with strong crying and teares to him that was able to saue him from death and was heard in that which he feared If it had beene onely feare of bodily death what need such strong cries with teares And the text is plaine that he was heard that is saued froÌ„ the death which he feared but he was not saued from the bodily death for he died and gaue vp the ghost wherefore it was the great horror of soule that caused him to feare Bellarm. answereth for all this that it was the bodily death which he feared but not of necessitie because he could not otherwise choose but willingly he would abide this brunt also of the feare and sorrow of death Voluit poenam maeroris timoris subire vt redemptio esset copiosae And heerein he exceedeth all other men that haue suffered for they are ridde from feare because God giueth them greater comfort and they regarde not the present torment but Christ willingly and of his owne accord drew himselfe into this agonie of feare Ans. 1. That Christ as he was God had determined and set it downe to dye for the world it is not to be doubted of but that as he was man he had not a desire to escape death as being ignorant of Gods determination it is contrary to the Scriptures which make mention of his earnest praier that he made thrice that the cup might passe Math. 26. Therefore Christ willingly entred not into that agony of feare in his humane desire but as submitting himselfe and his will in obedience to his fathers will 2. He is contrary to him selfe in saying that Christs bodily sufferings were sufficient for our redemption and yet graunteth that Christ vt redemptio esset copiosa That our redemption might be more full would abide also the smart of the feare of death If he feared but the bodily death as he saith yet was he troubled in soule and therefore besides bodily paine he suffered anguish in his soule Argum. 2. Act. 2.24 Whom God hath raised vp saith S. Peter and loosed the sorrowes of death for it was impossible that he should be holden of it Ergo Christ suffered the sorrowes of death and felt the wrath of God which caused those sorrowes The vulgare Latine hath the sorrowe of hell solutis dolorib infernâ— which pincheth the Papists very sore for how could Christ be loosed from the sorrowes of hell if first he had not beene helde of them That which Bellarmine answereth that Christ loosed the sorrowes of hell for others which were to be deliuered is but a poore shift for the text is plaine It was impossible that he that is Christ himselfe should be stil holden of it it is spoken of the holding of Christ and not of any other Argu. 3. The prophet Esay saith He was wounded for our sins and broken for our iniquities the chastisement of our peace was vpon him and with his stripes are we healed Esay 53.5 But we could haue no peace with God vnlesse all the punishment due vnto vs for our sinne had beene vndertaken by Christ wherefore seeing we by our sinne had deserued to be punished both in body soule it was necessary that our redeemer should be wounded and broken wholly for vs for how els by his stripes should we wholly be healed Augustine thus reasoneth against Felicianus the Arrian and proueth that Christ tooke not onely humane flesh but an humane soule Si totus homo periâ—â— c. If man wholly were lost saith he he had wholly need of a Sauiour and if he wholly needed a Sauiour Christ by his comming wholly redeemed him therefore Christ tooke vpon him the whole nature of man both body soule for if since the whole man hath sinned Christ onely had taken our flesh the soule of man should still remaine guiltie of punishment haec Augustine cont Felician cap. 13. By the same reason we proue it was necessary that Christ should suffer both in body and soule by the which Augustine inferreth that Christ tooke both body and soule he did assume them both to redeeme both But he redeemed vs not in being borne for vs or walking or preaching heere vpon earth although these were preparations to his sacrifice but by dying and suffering for vs Ergo he suffered both in body soule the punishmeÌ„t due vnto sinners They grauÌ„t that Christ suffered anguish in soule yet not properly in the soule but onely for the bodily death which was no part of the punishmeÌ„t of the soule which consisted in the very sense and feeling of Gods wrath and the torments of hell due vnto mankinde for their sinnes This punishment of the soule ought also necessarily to haue beene vndertaken by Christ being the redeemer both of body and soule THE FOVRTH PART WHETHER CHRIST descended in soule into hell to deliuer the Patriarkes The Papists THey doe beleeue that Christ according to his soule went downe to hell to error 101 deliuer the Patriarkes and all iust men there holden in bondage til his death Rhemist Act. 2. sect 12. Argum. 2. He that ascended is he that descended first into the lowest parts of the earth Ephes. 4.9 that is into hell the which is the lowest place in the earth Bellarm. cap. 12. Ans. 1. The earth it selfe is in respect of the world the lowest part so that here one parte of the earth is not to be compared with another but the whole earth in respect of the high heauens hath the name of the lower partes so is it taken Psal. 139. ver 15. Thou hast fashioned me beneath or in the lower partes of the earth But Dauid I trust they will not say was borne in hell because he speaketh of the lower partes of the earth consul Bez. in hunc locum So that by the descending of Christ into the lowest partes of the earth is meant nothing els but the lowest and extreamest degree
be in the hart of the earth is nothing els but to be within the earth according to the Hebrew phrase as Exod. 15.8 The hart of the Sea that is within the Sea So Christs body was in the earth it lay hid as it were in the bowels of the earth 3. This exposition is against themselues for if Christ went downe to the very hart and midst of the earth which is the center then he descended to the place of the damned for neither Limbus Patrum nor Purgatory are in the center or lowest part of the earth by their opinion but they themselues holde the coÌ„trary for they say that Christ by descending deliuered soules out of the two vppermost hels Limbus and Purgatory but not out of the nethermost hell which is the place of the damned Rhemist Luke 16. sect 8. Also it should follow of this their interpretation that the soule of Christ was as long in hell as his body in the graue which is against the opinion of many Papists Argum. 2. Luke 8.31 The Deuils desired Christ that he would not send them into the deepe what is that els but the lowest region of the earth where hell is which Saint Paul calleth the lowest partes of the earth Bellarmine Ans. We deny not but that God hath prepared and that there is a place of vnspeakable torments ordeined for the deuill and his angels and all damned soules but that this place should be in the center of the earth the places alleadged proue not for the word Abyssus translated the deepe is sometime taken figuratiuely in a metaphore as Rom. 11.33 O the deepenes of the wisedome of God the word is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 not much varying in signification from abyssus so the place of their punishment is saide to be a great depth that is a place of vnsearchable and vnspeakable miserie and horror Neither must this word abyssus of necessitie be referred to the earth for there are abyssi maris the depths of the Sea Exod. 15.8 as well as of the earth The lower places which S. Paul speaketh of Eph. 4. may be either vnderstood generally of the whole earth which is pars mundi infima the lowest part of the world or els of the great abasing of Christ from heauen to earth being God to become a seruant as also the graue of Christ was that lowest part of the earth for the Apostle saith in the comparatiue 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 not 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the lower not the lowest and so your vulgare Latine translateth inferiora not infima terrae but hel is the lowest part the graue is saide to be the lower The Protestants THat there is a locall place of torment prepared for the deuill and his angels we doubt not being so taught in the Scripture Math. 25.41 A place of darkenes 2. Pet. 2.4 Farre distant from the heauenly mansions of the blessed Luke 16.26 Neither doe we deny but that it may be in the earth or wheresoeuer els it pleaseth God but wheresoeuer hel is there is but one that deuision of hell into three or foure regions we vtterly condemne as a meere deuise of man without Scripture and this we say that the place of hell causeth not the torment but the wrath and curse of God for euen out of hel God may make a man to feele the torments of hell as we doubt not but our Sauiour Christ did for vs and our redemption vpon the crosse Argum. 1. It is possible to feele the paine of hell in the soule although not â—n the proper and appointed place of hell as Iob complaineth The arrowes of the Almightie are in me the venime thereof doth drinke vp my spirit and the terrors of God fight against me And therefore he saith his griefe was heauier then the sand of the Sea Iob. 6.4.14 Iob felt euen the hell of conscience in himselfe for the time yea our Sauiour bare the burthen of his fathers wrath vpon the Crosse as we haue shewed before Ergo it is not the place that maketh hell Argu. 2. Hell is nothing els as the Scripture defineth it but to be cast into vtter darkenes There shal be weeping and gnashing of teeth Math. 25.30.22.13 The darkenes causeth weeping horrible gnashing of teeth the vnspeakable punishment both of body and soule this darkenes is not the absence of the light of the sunne for neither shall the Saints in heauen haue that light because they neede it not Apoc. 22.5 And it shal be a place of darkenes to the damned angels which haue no vse of the Sunne light they also are reserued in chaines of darkenes Iude 6. as they are no materiall chaines so neither is it an outward darkenes but the absence of Gods fauour and the light of his countenance as the people are saide to haue sit in darkenes before the light of the gospell by the preaching of Iesus Christ did shine vnto them Math. 4.16 But they much more shal be and are kept in darkenes that are condemned to hell where they feele nothing but the horror of Gods wrath his eternall and endlesse curse with vnspeakable torments now in soule and afterward both in body soule without all comfort or hope of refreshing vtterly excluded from the presence of God wherefore it is not the place but the wrath of God and absence of his spirite that causeth such endlesse and vnspeakable punishment Argu. 3. As for your distinction of hell the brim whereof you say is Limbus patrum the middle parte Purgatory the lowest and nethermost hel it selfe the place of the damned in Augustines time it was not knowne for first that the bosome of Abraham was part of hell he vtterly denyeth Apparet non esse membruÌ„ inferorum tantae illius foelicitatis â—inum That bosome of so great blisse can be no meÌ„ber or part of hel Epist. 99. Again Purgatory he vtterly refuseth acknowledging but two places heauen for the faithfull hell for the damned and vnbeleeuers Tertium locum penitus ignoramus imo nec esse in scripturis sanctis inuenimus A third place we are vtterly ignorant of yea we finde in holy Scriptures that it is not August hypognost THE NINETEENTH CONTROVERSIE OF MATTERS WHICH ARE IN QVESTION concerning the diuine nature of Christ. THis controuersie containeth three Questions First whether Christ be 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 God of him selfe Secondly whether he be mediator as God or man or as both Thirdly whether he haue by his desertes purchased any thing for himselfe THE FIRST PART WHETHER CHRIST be 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 God of him selfe The Papistes error 103 THey deny that Christ is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 God of himselfe and affirme that he had not onely his person but his substance of his Father whereupon they are bolde to charge Caluine with blasphemy for saying that Christ is God of himselfe as well as the Father Rhemist Ioh. 1. sect 3. Argum. The word was with God to wit the sonne is with
was the duetie of Angels to worship him Ergo hee merited not his glorification by his death which was due vnto him euen at his first incarnation Argum. 3. If Christ merited his owne glorification then hee also merited the hypostaticall vnion that his manhood should bee ioyned to his Godhead in vnitie of person for his glory maiestie and power giuen to his manhood doth issue and arise from the vniting of his Godhead therewith in one person but his humanity deserued not to be vnited to the Godhead Nemo tam caecus est sayth Augustine No man is so blind that he dare say that Christ by his well liuing merited to be called the Sonne of God And hee prooueth it out of the first of Luk. vers 35. Therefore shall that holy thing bee called the Sonne of God not for any workes going before but because the holy Ghost came vpon her Wherefore the diuine glorie which Christ hath was not merited but his owne it was from the beginning which glory the humane nature in Christ is made partaker of not for any merite but because it is vnited to the Godhead in the same person through the abundant and vnspeakable grace and loue of God vnto mankinde which of his free grace rather tooke vnto himselfe the nature of men then of Angels Wherefore Christ by his perfect obedience and blessed sacrifice hath merited abundantly for vs remission of sinnes and eternall life but by his merites he hath gayned nothing for himselfe neither had he any respect to the bettering of his own estate in his sufferings but onely to pay a raunsome for vs. THE TWENTIETH GENERALL CONTROVERSIE CONCERNING THE COMMING OF CHRIST TO iudgement which appertaineth to his whole person as he is both God and man THis controuersie hath two partes First concerning the signes which must come to passe before his appearing Secondly of the time and maner of his appearing The first part contayneth three questions Frst whether the Gospell bee already preached to the whole world Secondly whether Henoch and Elias shall come in the flesh before the day of iudgement Thirdly of the great persecutions toward the end of the world THE FIRST QVESTION WHETHER the Gospel be already preached thorough the worlde The Papists error 106 THey denie that the Gospell hath beene already published to all nations of the worlde for there are many great countries which neuer heard of the Gospell as they affirme But before the comming of Christ to iudgement they say it shal be preached to the whole world Bellar. de Roman pâ—ntif lib. 3. cap. 4. Argum. 1. Math. 24.14 Christ sayth This Gospell of the kingdome shall be preached thorough the whole worlde for a witnes vnto all nations then shall the end come The end of the world shall immediately follow the generall preaching of the Gospell which if it hath been performed it is most like to haue been done in the Apostles time then the world should haue ended long agoe Bellarm. ibid. Ans. This word Then doth not alwaies in the scripture signifie a certaine and definite time presently to follow as Math. 9.1 Then he entred into a ship and so forth Luke also setteth foorth the same storie cap. 5.18 Then brought they a man lying in a bed But in saying Then they haue not relation to the same time for they keepe not the same order in rehearsing the storie Matthew setteth downe one thing that was immediatly done by our Sauiour Christ before and Luke another And so is the word Then vsed in other places not to describe a consequence of time with relation to that which went before but absolutely without any such respect to name the time present only wherein any thing is done So tunc then signifieth as much as in illo tempore in that time not which shall immediately follow vpon the generall publishing of the Gospel but which God hath appoynted We must also consider who it is that sayth Then namely God himselfe with whom a thousand yeares is as one day and one day as a thousand yeares Christ Then may come many hundred yeares after and yet it shall be true that then shall the end be But we rather take the first sense that Then is here taken indefinitely as it is thorough the whole chapter as vers 21. Then shall be great tribulation which cannot haue relation to that which he spake of before for then it must be vnderstoode of the destruction of Ierusalem but our Sauiour meaneth by Then the time towards the ende of the world as vers 29. Immediately after the tribulation of those dayes the Sunne shal be darkened Then shall the signe of the Sonne of man appeare Argum. 2. We see the Gospel hath been preached in great countreyes of late which neuer heard the Gospel afore as it is thought Rhemist Math. 24. sect 4. Ans. 1. They speake doubtfully they cannot tell as it is thought say they 2. They meane the preaching of their Friers in those newe found countreyes which was not the preaching of the Gospel but of vile superstition not to conuert the people to God but to robbe and spoyle them and make a pray of them killing slaying them without al mercy reade Benzo in historia noui orbis 3. We deny not but that the Gospell may be reuiued and renued in many countreyes where notwithstanding it was planted many yeares afore As this countrie of ours in ancient time called Britanie was first instructed in the faith by the preaching of Ioseph of Arimathea as Gildas saith or as Nicephorus saith by SimoÌ„ Zelotes yet after that the foundation of the faith thus begun it was confirmed afterward in king Lucius daies by the preaching of Fagane Damiane which at Lucius request were sent into the land from Eleutherius B. of Rome and so may it come to passe in other countreyes a second preaching therefore taketh not away the former but confirmeth and reuiueth it The Protestants THat the Gospell was by the Apostles preached to all the knowen and inhabited nations of the worlde we cannot but affirme being so taught by the scriptures Argum. 1. Our Sauiour saith to his Apostles Ye shal be my witnesses to the vttermost partes of the earth Act. 1.8 which is spoken to the persons of the Apostles not in them to all Pastors and preachers as some expound it for in the same vers there is mention made of the comming of the holy Ghost and howe first they should begin to witnesse at Ierusalem which things were indeede so accomplished in the Apostles Saint Paul also Rom. 10.18 expoundeth that place of the Psalme Their sound is gone forth into all the worlde of the Apostles Agayne seeing the Apostolicall calling and gift is now ceased neither are we to looke that men should be immediatly called from heauen and the preaching of the Gospell to all nations is an Apostolicall worke for the which the Apostles also receiued the gifts of tongues seeing now we haue neither Apostolike
men nor Apostolike giftes wee are not to doubt but that this promise and prophesie of the vniuersall preaching of the Gospell is performed already Argum. 2. It appeareth in Ecclesiasticall histories that the Apostles dispersed themselues into all partes of the worlde euery where preaching the Gospell Thomas preached to the Parthians Medes Persians also to the Germanes Simon Zelotes in Mauritania Africa and in Britania Iudas called Thaddaeus in Mesopotamia Mark in Aegypt Bartholomaeus to the Indians Andrew preached to the Scythians Sogdians Aethopians So that there were fewe or no knowen countreyes in the world which heard not of the fame of the Gospell But here two things must be obserued First that the Gospel was to bee preached in the habitable or knowen world the word is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Many countreyes are inhabited now that were not habitable then or at the least not inhabited wherefore it was sufficient that the people of the world heard of the Gospel howsoeuer afterward they were propagated into other vnknowen places Secondly as Augustine sayth Omnes gentes promissae sunt non omnes homines omnium gentium All nations were promised to heare of the Gospel not all the men and inhabitants of euery nation And so we doubt not but the Apostles did lay the foundation of fayth through the whole worlde and were first planters of the Churches in euery nation But their plantings were watered and encreased and continued by others Wherefore seeing the world hath once already beene generally lightened with the truth of the Gospell we are not to looke any more for a solemne legacie and ambassage to be sent from the Lord vnto all nations But those countreyes rather which somtime had the trueth and now haue lost it ought now to seeke vnto those places that haue it as the Queene of Saba went a long iourney to heare Salomons wisdome They therefore that yet doe expect an vniuersall preaching may sooner see Christ comming in the cloudes then haue their expectation satisfied THE SECOND QVESTION OF THE comming of Henoch and Elias before the day of iudgement The Papists error 107 THeir common and receiued opinion is that Henoch and Elias doe yet liue in their bodies in Paradise and shall come in person to oppose themselues against Antichrist and by their preaching to conuert the Iewes Rhemist Apocal. 11. sect 4. Argum. Malachie 4.5 I will send you Eliah the Prophet before the great and fearefull day of the Lorde These are also the two witnesses spoken of Apocal. 11.3 Which shall be slaine and rise vp againe the third day Ergo Eliah and Henoch shall come before the day of the Lorde Bellarm. de Roman pontif 3.6 Ans. First the prophesie of Malachie was fulfilled in Iohn Baptist who came in the spirite of Elias as it is thrise in the Gospell applied once by the Angel Luk. 1.16 twise by our Sauiour Christ Matth. 11.14 17.13 Bellarmine saith it is not properly vnderstoode of Iohn Baptist but onely in an allegorie First the Prophet speaketh of the great and fearefull day of the Lord but the comming of Christ was the acceptable time Ans. Here the Iesuite bewrayeth great ignorance As though the comming of Christ in the flesh as it brought comfort to the Elect to as many as were ordeined to saluation was not also hastening of the iudgement of God against the wicked and therefore Iohn saith The axe was laide to the roote of the tree Matth. 3.10 and that Christ came with his fanne in his hand verse 12. The Apostle Heb. 12.26 applieth that saying of the Prophet Once againe wil I shake not onely the heauens but the earth to the preaching of the Gospell wee see then in what sence the first comming of Christ is called a fearefull and terrible day Ans. Secondly by the two witnesses is vnderstood the small yet sufficient number of the true seruants of God which shall witnesse the truth euen in the whottest persecution of Antichrist there is no mention made of Henoch or Elias And if you will needs vnderstand that literally of their rising againe why not the rest also how fire shall proceede out of their mouthes to consume the wicked and they shall turne water into blood The meaning is nothing else but that God will alwaies haue faithfull witnesses in his Church which shall alwaies stand vp in the stead of the Prophets and holy men gone before The Protestants LIke as the Pharisies deceiued the Iewes with vaine expectation of Elias and so hindred their beliefe in Christ so the Papists would not haue men to acknowledge the manifestation of Antichrist vnder this false pretence that Henoch and Elias must first come before Antichrist bee reuealed which wee doe hold as a Iewish fable and popish dreame Argum. 1. The Prophesie of Elias comming is properly fulfilled in Iohn Baptist and therefore wee are not to looke for any other accomplishment thereof neither now is there any Paradise remaining but Heauen 2. Corinth 12.4 And to affirme that Henoch and Elias went vp to Heauen in their bodies before the ascension of Christ out of Scripture it cannot be proued it is euident that they were taken vp aliue into heauen but not that they continued aliue Argum. 2. The varietie of opinions concerning the personall appearance of Henoch and Elias declare that it is an vncertaine thing and but deuised of men Hilarye saith they shal be Moses and Elias Chrysostome granteth that Elias shall come but not Henoch Iustine thinketh that not onely Henoch and Elias are aliue but all those whose bodies rose at the resurrection of Christ Hippolytus is of opinion that Iohn the Diuine shall come with them and some say Ieremie also whose death is not read of Fulk Apocal. 11. sect 4. And thus it is no meruaile if men run mad as it were in their foolish conceites hauing no warrant for their opinions out of Scriptures The nation of the Iewes wee grant according to the manifest prophesie of Saint Paul shall in the end be conuerted but not in such sort by the personall preaching of Moses and Elias for the Apostle setting downe at large the mysterie of their calling would not haue left out so necessarie a thing Augustine by the two witnesses vnderstandeth the two testaments the Old and the new But hee denieth vtterly that any shall rise before the comming of Christ as the Apostle saith 1. Corinth 15.23 The first fruites is Christ Then they that are Christs at his comming but not before Vnde saith he excluditur omnis suspicio quorundam qui putant hos duos testes duos viros esse ante aduentum Christi coelum in nubibus ascendisse Their suspition therefore or opinion is vtterly excluded which thinke these two witnesses to bee two men which should ascend into heauen before the comming of Christ. Augustine we see is flat against them THE THIRD PART WHETHER THE most grieuous persecutions that euer were shall be toward the end
kingdome of God commeth not with obseruation Luk. 17.20 either of time or place And therfore when men say vnto vs Behold here or beholde there we ought not to beleeue them vers 23. As though they would point out Christs comming with the finger either in the East or West Whereas Mathew therefore nameth the East and West in the similitude of the lightening Luke leaueth them out saying As the lightening shineth from one part of the Heauen to the other 17.24 Least we should thinke any great matter to be in nomination of those partes Augustine saith notably Non ab Oriente veniet nec Occidente quare quia Deus iudex est si in aliquo loco esset non esset Deus quia vero Deus iudex est non homo noli illum expectare de locis He will not come either from the East or from the West why so Because God is iudge if he were tied to any place hee were not God but because God is iudge and not a meere man wee must not looke for him from any place The Papists 3. THe Sonne of man shall appeare in the day of iudgement with the signe error 111 of the Crosse borne before him Then shall the signe of the Sonne of man appeare in Heauen Matth. 24.3 that is say they the signe of the Crosse Bellarm. de sanct lib. 2. cap. 28. Rhemist in hunc locum The Protestants Ans. 1. THe signe of the Sonne of man in the Heauens is nothing else but his conspicuous and glorious appearing who shall come in great glorie as a signe in the heauens to bee seene of all the worlde It cannot signifie any such visible signe as they imagine for Mark. 13.26 Luke 21.27 wee reade thus Then shall they see the Sonne of man So then the signe of the Sonne of man is the Sonne himselfe in his glorious appearing Secondly it is great presumption therefore so boldly to affirme that it shall be the signe of the Crosse hauing no Scripture for it Other signes wee finde that Christ hath appeared with as the signe of the rayne-bowe Apocal. 10.1 with a two edged sworde Apocal. 1.16 with a booke in his hand Apocal. 10.2 We haue better reason that Christ may appeare with those signes by the which he hath sometime shewed himselfe then they haue for the signe of the Crosse. 3 It is more like that Christ at his comming should shew the markes and prints of the nailes and speare in his bodie then the signe of the Crosse for those were felt and seene in his bodie after his resurrection so was not the other But it is a loose coniecture and a vaine surmise without any ground of Scripture that the woundes are either now in heauen to be seene in the glorious bodie of Christ or that they shall bee beheld and looked vpon in the daie of iudgement The wicked in deed shall behold him whom they pearced but it followeth not thereupon that he should appeare as pearced How is it possible that either the bodie of Christ being perfectly glorified should still retaine any spots or blemishes or that they could be espyed in so glorious a bodie which with the brightnes thereof shall obscure the Sunne Augustine giueth this iudgement Sic voluit resurgere Christus sic voluit quibusdam dubitantibus exhibere in illa carne cicatrices vulneris vt sanaret vulnus incredulitatis So it pleased Christ to arise and to shew in his flesh vnto some that doubted the skarres of his woundes to heale and take awaie the wound of their incredulitie or vnbeleefe This then being the onelie cause why Christ would at that time haue the printes and markes in his flesh to bee seene namelie to confirme the faith of them which doubted the cause being now ceased for is it to bee thought that there are any doubtfull persons in heauen which may be confirmed by beholding Christs woundes or shall vnbeleeuers finde any reliefe in the day of iudgement The cause being remoued wee haue no warrant to thinke that there are any such skarres either now to bee seene in the glorious bodie of Christ or which shall appeare in the day of iudgement And seeing there is no ground for this opinion the shewing forth also of the signe of the crosse in that day is also but a wandring and a foolish conceite The Papists error 112 4. SVch is their boldnes that they dare assigne the very yeare moneth and day of Christs comming to iudgement for they say that Antichrist shall raigne three yeares and an halfe and one moneth 1290. dayes and counting 45. dayes after that they shal see Christ comming in the cloudes Blessed is hee saith Daniel that waiteth and commeth to the 1335. dayes Dan. 12.12 Bellar. de pontif Rom. lib. 3. cap. 8. The Protestants Ans. 1. THe prophesie of Daniel we haue alreadie shewed Controuersie 4. Quaest. 9. to haue been fulfilled before the first comming of Christ in Antiochus that cruell tyrant and persecutor of the people of God how hee should cause the daily sacrifice to cease 1290. dayes that is three yeares and seuen moneths 2. Macchab. 11.33 And that 45. dayes after Antiochus being dead the Church should finde ease 1. Macch. 6.16 Wherefore seeing this prophesie hath once alreadie had his effect it is not necessarie to looke for any other as Augustine saith of another prophesie of Daniel Quae prophetia si tempore primi aduentus impleta est non cogit intelligi quod etiam de fine seculi implebitur Which prophesie if it hath been fulfilled in or before the first comming of Christ it need not be vnderstoode of the latter 2 This presumption of theirs is flat opposite and contrarie to Scripture which saith That the houre and day of Christs comming is not knowne to the Angels nor to the Sonne of man but to the Father onely Mark 13.33 How then dare they presume beyond the knowledge of Angels Augustine saith Vtiliter latere voluit Deus illum diem vt semper sit paratum cor ad expectandum quòd esse venturum scit quando venturum sit nescit The Lorde to great purpose would haue that day kept secret that our heart should bee in continuall expectation of that which it is sure shall come but knoweth not when it shall come Thus haue I through the Lords gracious assistance now at the length finished and brought to an end this long and tedious worke which I trust shall not be so yrkesome to the Christian Reader as it was wearisome and painefull to the flesh in the collecting and compiling thereof and yet not so painefull but that God hath made me able and willing to endure this and greater paines and that with comfort for the good of his Church I excuse not whatsoeuer hath fallen out of my pen in this worke if I haue failed any where in the manner of handling But as for the matter handled therein I trust I haue throughout maintained the truth in