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A44844 A reply to a book set forth by one of the blind guides of England who is a priest at Barwick Hall in Lancashire, who writes his name R. Sherlock, Batcheler of Divinity, but he is proved to be a diviner and deceiver of the people which book is in answer to some queres set forth to him by them whom he calls Quakers ... / Richard Hubberthorne. Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662. 1654 (1654) Wing H3231; ESTC R6754 26,134 33

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le● all who are in the light see if it be not natural then and if thou be not him that study a difinition of thy ovvne braine and instead of the blessing the curse of God comes upon it for how many is there that was Preists as you are that now cries against you which is come out of your generation and sees the curse of God upon all your practices Pr. And thou saiest the flesh which is quickened with the spirit of life brings forth some kinde of fleshly f●uits or other Rep. Here thou hast shewed thy selfe to be death indeed doth the spirit cause fruits of the flesh or is the fruits of the spirit the fruits of the flesh O thou lier and high blasphemer which thou saiest is cleare from manifold texts of Scripture all the Scriptures will wittnesse thee to be a lier and these Scriptures thou brings to maintaine the spirit of life to bring forth some kinde of fleshly fruits and the fruits of the spirit to be the fruits of the flesh Here all who are in the spirit will judge thee to be a blasphemer of the holy spirit of God for the spirit brings forth no fruits of the flesh Pr And thou saiest in thy Answer to the first querie you do ●ot go to Oxford and Cambridge to learne the Gospel you preach but to learne the knowledge of tongues and languages arts and sciences Rep. O for shame stop thy mouth here thou hast shamed thy selfe and all your Schooles with an external meanes to open the Gospell people are blind indeed that do follow thee but thy bottle is open and what is within powres out And the fountaine runs and thy external stuffe powres out which hath poisoned many people which thou saiest thou shouldest open the Gospel withall All that have the least convincement may see thee to be a seducer for what is external is natural and what is natural knowes not the things of God but the Lord be praised thou hast declaired thy selfe abroad Que. 12. Whether that any ministers of God were made ministers by the will of man yea or no shew it me by the Scripture Pr. And in thy answer to this querie thou saiest there is no minister of God made by the will of man only but by man in subordination Rep. Here thou crossest the scripture Paul an Apostle not of man nor by man and here the lying spirit hath shewed it selfe indeed Pr. And thou saiest there is no such hope of any such calling as was in the time of the Apostles Rep. And here thou hast c●st thy selfe and thy fellows and all thy study to be without the Doctrine life of the Apostles for thou concludest there is no such calling yet thou talkest of laying on hands there thou and you are making likenesses which is forbidden and to be confounded and so we conclude and all the children of light shall judge that your hope and your calling and your Ministery made by the will of man and not only by God to be without God and contrary to the Apostles Que. 13. Shew mee by the scripture whether a man shall grow up to that condition that he need no man teach him but the Lord or no Pr. We must not looke for any immediate extraordinary miraculous teaching by revelation from the Lord and yet all men are taught of God too Rep. What confused stuffe is this and blasphemy that comes out of thy bottle thou wouldest make God not an immediate doth not God teach immediate here thou shewest that thou dost not know the living God for the teaching of God is immediate in the least degree Pr. None aimes to such a perfection of knowledge in his gifts as not to need teaching Rep. Here I charge thee to be a lier who speaks contrary to the scripture and here I charge thee in the presence of the living God to be a slanderer who speaks of being taught of the Lord Jesu● Christ outwardly by the spirit what confused stuffe is this And here againe I charge thee to be a lier for the words of our Lord Jesus Christ are spirit and life but such as thou who lookest upon the outward thing cannot receive his words though you have the letter of the Gospel as they had the letter of the law Que. 14. Whether they be not Antichrist and disobey Christ that have the chiefest places in the assemblies stand praying in the synagouges which Christ did forbid his disciples to act such things ●nd c●ied woe against those that did act them In thy answer to this querie thou ramblest up and downe with many words to justifie that which Christ cried woe against to justifie the cheifest place in the Assemblies and to be called of men Master and for standing praying in the Synagouges which Christ pronounced woe against and so let all people see if thou and you be not such as are called of men Masters and stand praying in the Synagouges w●ich the woe was and is upon Math. 23. and there is neither shelter nor hole for thee to hide thy selfe for them that walke in the truth will find thee out and praised be the Lord God of heaven and earth who hath given us a spirit of discerning and we are able to judge you who live in deceit for the Apostle prophecied with the spirit of the Lord that such should come and we see with the same spirit you are come and with the same spirit you are judged Que. 15. Whether they be not Antichrists and of the Devill and no Ministers of Christ which do not abide in the Doctrine of Christ Pr. They that swerve from the Doctrine of Christ are of the spirit of Antichrist Rep. There thou art this is thy owne condition who deniest immediate revelation and thou that deniest immediate revelation deniest Christ for Paul said the Son was revealed in him and so all that thou speakest is with the lying spirit in the wicked generation and wher●a● thou slanderest and saiest we raile that i● false And againe thou speakest of love because the letter declares it but the love of God who dwells in it to such thou art an enemy and as touching using plainnesse of speech to people because we do not flatter nor use enticing words of mens wisedom which thou dost so thou hast cleared thy selfe from the children of God and to be in the generation of them that swerve from the doctrine of Christ who seekest to justifie that which he cried woe against as Math. 23. And whereas thou accusest us for railing upon people thou art a lier for love useth plainnesse of speech and love and charity is out of deceit if we should flatter we should hold it up and should be pleading for thy generation who talks of God and confesses that you have not the same knowledge and understanding that the Apostles had Therefore how can you know God then And whereas thou speakest of trying the spirits the fruits of it is love here with
in the Sinagogues before Sermon and after and whether the Apostles did so In thy Answer to this querie thou bringest the Apostles words which said pray allwaies to justifie standing praying in the Sinagogues and having the cheifest place in the Assemblies which Christ cried woe against and here I charge thee to be a false Prophet who puts no difference betwixt the Apostle and the Pharesies though he said the temple which Solomon built him it was a hous● of Prayer Christ said there should not be one stone of it left upon another when Christ Jesus was witnessed Stephen for witnessing him was stoned to death and here thou hast shewed thou hast no judgment and errs not knowing the Scripture and as for Christs whipping them out of the temple read thy selfe to the light in thy conscience I speake and so all thy praying before thy Sermon and after as thou callest it in the Sinagogues in the chiefest place of the Assemblies the woe which Christ pronounced against thy Fathers hath light upon the Son thou who art found in the same place let Math. 23. judge thee the life which gave forth these words the life of these words is upon thee and so all thy praiers are abomination to the Lord God in the state thou art in and the praying of the Saints which was moved by the Spirits thou hast cleared thy selfe from for thou deniest immediate revelation from heaven and how canst thou pray and not with the Spirit and here let all people judge and see what thy praiers are if thou be not in the st●te of the Pharisees who deny immediate revelation and to be one that is blind and the praying with the Spirit is wittnessed among the Saint● Que. 8. Shew me by the Scripture when the Apostles went into the world and gave the people of the world Davids Psalmes to be sung in meeter the things that you practise answer them by the Scriptures or the Apostles practise without consequence or imagination And in thy answer to this querie thou perverts the Scripture as in the Acts as Paul and Silas sung Psalmes in the prison with them of the world they did not go into the world to give them a Psalme to sing men that were not come to repentance for saith David the dead cannot praise God and there I charge thee to be a lier and puts no difference betwixt the Saints singing with grace and understanding and the world which hath gotten the forme where thou art the Apostle did not speake to such as were in thy condition to be filled with the Spirit which is not come to repentance but he spoke to them which were turned from the world and such sung praises to God but for such as thee to go and give to the world Davids Psalms in a meeter and say O Lord I am not puft in mind I have no scornfull eye O you profane ones and scornfull ones how can you sing th●s but lie who have scornefull ●yes and to sing all your bones quake and you tremble and you water your bed with your teares and you lie roaring all the night and day when as you scorne Quakers and hate them and speake all manner of evill of them how can you speake this but lie But Davids condition and the Saints is witnessed among them which the world scornfully calls Qu●kers which power makes all to tremble though you scorne it a while and have gotten the outside the letter Davids condition in a forme of words scorning his life and the power of God where it is made manifest take warning all you scoff●rs and scorners what came to be the end of all your Fathers that passed before you but destruction your lofty ones feare and tremble before the mighty God for all your songs must be turned into howling but singing with the Spirit we owne the grace which hath appeared to all men teaches us to deny ungodlinesse and worldly lusts and here I charge thee again to be b●ind who puts no diffe●ence betwixt the worlds singing and the Saints Que. 9. Whether a man shall overcome the body of sin while he is upon the earth yea or no Pr. And in thy answer to this 9. querie thou saiest it is not possible to subdue the body of sin altogether whilest we are in this world and thy comparison is a tree while there is life in it will bring forth fruit Rep. Here I charge thee in the presence of the living God to be the corrupt tree for by thy fruit thou art knowne for a good tree cannot bring forth evill fruit and here thou art proved to be that corrupt tree which confesses you doe not attaine to the same knowledge and understanding the Apostles did as thou speakest in thy booke whose harvest is ripe and now is reaping downe Pr. And whereas thou saiest they shall not overcome the body of sin whilest in this world Rep. And here I charge thee againe for say the Saints as he is so are we in this present world and thou saiest nor there is the lying Spirit and the Apostle said they had put off the body of sin and thou saiest it is not possible and there thy Spirit is found contrary to the Scripture and the Apostle saith in the 6. Rom. they were made free from sinne and thou saiest not it cannot be possible and here thy Spirit is tried Let all the children of the light judge thee and that thou speakest to be contrary to the Apostles words in the Romans and all you that cannot wittnesse these things that the body of sin is not put off wait upon God thorow Christ for it Que. 10. Whether the curse be not upon him that preacheth another Gospell then Christ and the Apostles preached yea or no Pr. And in thy answer to this querie thou speakest of receiving the Gospell from Christ and the Apostles Rep. In this I charge thee to be a lier as I said to thee before who denies immediate revelation from Heaven how canst thou be a preacher of the Gospell and deny revelation what a grosse darkenesse people are in that believe thee for under the curse and woe thou art that the Scripture speakes of and he that hath received the end of his prophesie is made free from the curse but this is without thy understanding and knowledge thou confessest in thy answer to the fi●st querie you preach the same Gospell but doe not attaine the same knowledge and understanding Let all people see who are in the light if it be not the same knowledge and understanding it is not the same Gospell but another and there the curse is upon thee Qu● 11. Whether any natural man can preach the Gospell yes or no Pr. In thy answer to this 11. querie thou speakest of understanding and of studying and of the Gospel and of a natural man and saiest he cannot preach the Gospell and thou saiest your understanding and knowledge is not the same as the Apostles was R●p Here
of the scripture and void of the knowledge of Christ and the life of the Apostles and out of their doctrine and do not call this r●iling which is plainnesse of speech and love to thy soul Pr. And you raile very highly in scripture terms too whereby you take the garments of Gods holy Spirit and put them upon the Devils shoulders Rep. Here thou dost accuse us for railing speeches and as we told thee before that we deny and here thou callest thy self a Devil for of him thou art which thy pretences therefore woe is thy portion and whereas thou sayest we revile and accuse the brethren this is another of thy slanders we bid thee answer the queries and thou callest them scrupulous to thee they are so and again thou sayest we ●isapply the scripture that is false and the Lord Jesus Christ thou knowest not who deniest immediate revelation and what hast thou to do to talk of him and as throwing the woes which the Scripture speaks of which is against the deceits which thou livest in they are thy portion thou canst not escape them If we should not give thee thy due and portion we should flatter thee and it would not be love and why dost thou talk of understanding and bid us weigh and consider we have considered thy way and do know it and God hath given us an understanding in all things Pr. Hebrew and Greek we do truly call the Originall Rep. Here I charge thee that thou hast no more originall then Pilate thy father had Pilate had Hebrew and Greek which c●ucified Christ which was the originall and here I charge thee in the presence of the living God to be a lyar for the word was in the beginning before any tongue was and your Hebrew and Greek is naturall and the naturall man knows not the things of God and the world by wisdome knowes not God Pilate was a worldly man and he had this originall and the wisdome of the world and there thou art and and there the curse is upon thee so here thou preachest another originall then the Apostles did they preached Christ the fountain and ●hou preachest Hebrew and Greek that is thy originall and thy father Pilate had that originall which crucified Christ and set it over him and the scripture came not by the will of man Therefore it is not the knowing of it by Hebrew and Greek but by the spirit that gave it forth therefore all people take warning and cease from such deceivers and take heed to the light in your conscience which is the light of Christ to guide your minds up to God the Father of light and be not deceived nor wander not up and down after such who know not the truth but put Hebrew and Greek for the originall which Pilate had which crucified Christ Jesus as you may read in Luke 23. All people may see thou art brought no further yet then thy father Pilate so all thy prayers we deny for there is nothing of truth born up in thy understanding who are led with a seducing spirit into delusions who saith the spirit of life stirs up the flesh to bring forth fruits thou that art in the flesh cannot please God and there thy spirit is tried co be the spirit of error and a great deal of such stuffe thou hast in thy answers to the queries which is not worth mentioning and this thou hast written to publish thy self that them that have a love to Christ their hearts may be turned from thee to God to see how thou hast uttered forth thy folly though with many faire glosses thou and such as thou art deceives the simple but all who are is the light do see thee and comprehend thee Something in Reply to the Epistle thou wrotest to the Lady Bindlosse TO her thou speakest of the doctrine and spirit and the holy Ghost Here I charge the to be a liar who knowes nothing of them who denies immediate revelation for thou who deniest that deniest the Father and the Son as in Math. 11.27 Wherein goest thou about to exhort others who art in the condition thy selfe but art as Matthew that would be serving If she do but take heed to the light which Christ hath enlightened her withall she will quickly see thy folly for the light which Christ hath enlightened her withall shall be her condemn●tion if she hate it and if she love it it will guide her into the way of righteousnesse up to Christ and there O woman is thy teacher and this condemnation And the work which is brought forth in the North doth terment thee R. Sherlock and such as the Lord doth move to exhort or to speak such thou slanderest and dost accuse as tempting for the slanders and reproaches the woe wil turne upon thee from God who is the justifier of his children and with such Preists as thou art the righteous seed was ever hated as you may read throughout the Scriptures If she that thou callest a Lady be grounded upon thy doctrine and be a member with thee of thy body let her read thy answers to the queries and the replies to them to the light in her I speak which is of Christ which will witnesse mee and let her see thee and if her minde be guided by it it will condemne all her former practises of worship and let her see thy delusions And againe thou art flattering the Lady and tells her of a discourse of the spirit and these are thy unsavoury words who art discoursing of the spirit but denies it for thou that deniest immediate revelation denies the spirit ●n the Corinthians the Apostle said things were revealed to him by the spirit and all thy doctrines t● be denied and all that thou speakest and thou art seen to be one of the evill beasts and slow bellies whose mouth must be stopt and what dost thou tell her of growing up in the knowledg of God and stop the way for her to passe who deniest immediate revelations which the Apostle exhorted to and they Saints was to have the loines of their minds girded up as in the 1 Peter 1.13 And what hast thou to do to talk of heaven or happinesse who art a beast in thy colours And so this is the intent that I have written this reply to the Ep●stle which thou wrote to her thou calls Lady that she might with the light of Christ in her see thy folly for to that I speake which is the light of Christ which if she hate it it will be her eternal condemnation Somthing in Rebly to thy Introduction Pr. NO age hath brought forth more pretenders to the spirit of God then this wherein we live Rep. Let all people take notice if thou be not he that pretends the spirit who hath not the same understanding and knowledg that the Apostles had and there thou art in the pretence who art blind and thy worship as thou calls it is thou dost not know what worse then
it was at Samaria who art in the pride of heart And as thou saiest the Devill hath sown his crop and r●apt his harvest and there thou art one of his servants sowing his seed and among the delusions as thou calls them fo● that is in thy Generation which comes one of thy owne bottle which now showes out what is within issues forth this is thy own condition who seduces the people the fire is kindling and the tares are burning which makes you wicked ones to cry out and so all impostures and blasphemies are in thy generation and you are ignorantly worshipping and your grosse idolatry which thou speakest of is your owne and thou art a murderer and understandest not what thou speakest of them and God thou knowest not who deniest imm●diate revelation from heaven but onely what thou knowest thou knowest naturally as a bruit beast which Iude speaks of and a great deal of stuffe thou hast in this Introduction which is not worth mentioning If the Reader do but read with a single eye he may see all thy confused stuffe which is not worth naming and a great deale of stuffe tho● hast written in discourse of the Spirit and the Holy Ghost which thou knowest not what thou speakest and of the Trinity which there is no Scripture for A Reply to an Epistle that thou wrotest to him whom thou callest Sir Robert Bindlosse THe Queries being sent to his house from Rich. Hubberthorne being his desire that they should be made publike and we do praise the LORD that deceipt is brought to light And thou sayest perhaps some satisfaction might be given to those seduced wavering soules amongst you truly I do believe they will and see your folly that under his name whom thou callest Sir Rob. Bindlosse under his name and patronage they may appear as a covert to veil● their imperfections But they will not vaile your imperfections Therefore R. B. to three I say be wise and feare the Lord and run not on in the broad way with such a one who doth confesse in his answer to the first querie that he doth not attain the same knowledge and understanding of the Gospell as the Apostles attained therefore thou R. Sh●rlock thy knowledge is bruitish and thy understanding sottish as the Scripture saith for none knowes the Apostles condition and knowledge but with the same understanding and in this thou deniest it and thou art in another knowledge and understanding and art in another doctrine and the true Gospel thou dost not know and thou art to be held accursed as the scripture saith Gal. 1. and so here thou hast given satisfaction to many that stood in doubt though to all the children of light thou wast known all things shal work together for good to them that love God Rom. 8. therfore R. B. take heed what thou lets forth under thy name and fathers for if thou see a thief and consent with him thou art guilty And R. Sherlock the queries that were sent to thee thou callest them scrupulous and the Letter which was sent to thee as a Libell why doest thou slander the innocent and simplicity but of thy generation we look for no other whose mouth is full of slanders Thou slanderer in thy Ep●st●e to the Lady thou slanderest privily under a colour who flatters her where thou art telling her of love and stirs her up to envy as in pag. 46. and incensing her and would stir her up against them wh●m th●u callest Quake●s so thou mightst as well have incensed her against Moses who was a judge over all Israel and quaked and David who was a King quaked so all that are vertuous wil own us who denieth opinions for them we deny and there thou art who livest in opinions and as thou speakest of some to strike at the root of many infections and errors which is overspread amongst you the Lord Iesus Christ hath raised up a light in his children that they are striking at your root and laying open the deceits and bringing forth his own work to his own praise and thou sayest all men do worship God and Christ with one heart and one mouth and after one manner is not only decryed but also dismist our Congregations And since the pale of Ecclesiasticall Discipline is pulled down by whose coercive lawes all men were kept within the limit of the true faith Here I charge thee to be a lyar was the true faith maintained by an outward Law and the Church and the worship of God Thou Traytor have they pluckt down the true Faith and the wo●sh●p of God or your old Ceremonies Thou seducer how art thou tormented by that which hath pluckt down the traditions Tremble for the hand and sword of the Lord is against thee as it was against them thou dissembler and envious one the Law was not made for the Church which is the pillar and ground of truth which worships God in the spirit but for such envious persons as thou art who hast cleared thy Church and worship here from the tr●e Church and worship of God to the view of all honest hearts and thou art tormented because the freedome i● given for the libertie of tender consciences to worship God his owne way even in spirit and in truth as in Joh. 4.23.24 And thou saiest since under the name and priveledge of ●iberty of conscience licentiousnesse of opinion hath got footi●g and this thou seemes to Father upon the Magistrats Wee which are in the light of Christ Jesus which doth excercise our consciences towards God and man all opinions and licentiousn●sse we deny Therefore thy mouth must be stopt Osl●nderer which sowet● dissention for since the Lord hath opened the Magistrates understanding with the light of Christ in them the same light doth give freedome to the light in others consciences which worketh into tendernesse of co●science and teacheth to exercise a good conscience towards God and man and such Magistrates do not make a law over the consciences of me● which thou seducer and bruitish fellow wouldest have a l●w up●n but the law is against such as thou art and so thou h●st shewed thy selfe to be in the franticke state and Heresie which th●u ●alks on and many such speeches as thou hast in thy Epistle to Sir R●● Bindl●ss as thou callest him and whereas thou speakest of your Church and hope your hope will perish and your Church and all who are in the light will be ashamed of your Church And thou art he who art of the Devil who dost promote lies ●nd untruths which is of thy Fathe● the Devill Joh. 8. ●4 But God is coming with his mighty power to chaine up thee thy Father the Devill the old Dragon who is the Father of lies and thou art one of his servants who blindeth the understandings of the people which are in the unbeleife and seeks to poison their affections with vanities and lying slanders and in thy conclusion thou wouldest not have him to
perish with the blind and giddy but if he follow such as thou art he doth follow both and in the ditch both will perish together And thou speaks to him of walking in the paths of the just and righteous and such thou privily slanders and their way hateth thou who walketh in the steps of the wicked and with those that forget God and thou must be cut down with the sword of the almighty God to that in thy Conscience I speak when thou art in the terror remember me for that in thy conscience condemn thee and witness me And friend to the light in thy conscience I speak under whose name this book goes there is thy Teacher if thou love it which is the light of Christ if thou love it it will teach thee as thou goes up and down and shew thee the way of the just for it is just it will condemn thee if thou hate And when the book of conscience is opened thou shalt witnesse what I speak that its truth to thy soul Pr. And whereas thou sayst you do neither pretend to any such sublime and eminent gifts neither do you nor ought you to depend upon any such immediate revelation but do use such ordinary means and helps which God in his merciful providence hath in all ages afforded his people viz. by study and industry in the Schools of the Prophets Schools thou sayest they had at Bethel 2 King 2 3 5. and Elisha's Colledge was so full that they enlarged it 2 Kings 6 1. 1 Sam. 14.20 and upon the hill of God 2 Sam. 10.5.10 Rep. Here let all these Scriptures witnesse against thee that thou art no true Prophet nor Minister of Christ which witnessed the end of the Prophets and were all taught of God which thou denies that denieth immediate revelation from heaven And here I charge thee in the presence of the living God to be a lyar and false Prophet and that thou art guided by the father of lyes Where thou tells of Elisha's Colledge and saith that it was so full that it was enlarged and brings in that place of Scripture to colour over thy lyes 2 Kings 6.1 Let that Scripture be a witnesse against thee that thou art a lyar and a perverter of the Scriptures thou full of all subtilties blush for shame thou lyar is there any mention of any Colledge there or is there any mention of the schools of the Prophets where the word of God was studied in those places of Scripture beforementioned as thou sayest let them witness thee All the Prophets where taught of God and there was no studying for what they spoke at Naioth see if they did not receive the Spirit of prophecy and spoke by immediate revelation which thou denies and knows not their maner of teaching and learning 1 Sam. 19.20 to the end of the Chap. and the prophecy came not in the old time by the will of man but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the holy Ghost and the Scripture is of no private interpretation 2 Pet. 1.20 21. Here art thou proved a lyar and a perverter of the Scripture wresting it to thy own destruction 2 Pet. 3.16 and the plagues and wrath is due to thee for so doing Rev. 22 Now call not truth railing thou dissembler and enemy of all righteousness the Scripture turns edge against thee and witnesses against thy deceits and filthiness whereby thou seeks to strangle the truth but thou art found out to be among the Dogs Sorcerers and Lyars spoken of in Scripture and art shut out of the kingdom of God art no Minister of Christ Rev. 22.15 18 19. Thou enemy of God how darest thou say that the Prophets studied the word when no prophecy came by the will of man but by the will of God and no man knoweth the father but the son neither knoweth any man the son but the father and he to whom he is revealed Matth 11.27 And here thou deniest both the Father and the Son and the Prophets and Apostles that denieth immediate revelation for they all bear witnesse against thee and such as thou art for the Apostle said Hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ And all the true Prophets witness that which thou denies And here I have proved thee a lyar a false Prophet and a deceiver perverting the Scriptures and they bear witness with me And thou full of all guile and deceit the word of the Lord shall rise up in judgement against thee and such as thou art Something in reply to thy discourse of the Spirit as thou calls it FRiend the Spirit of the living God thou hast not for thou denies immediate revelation from heaven who art discoursing of the Spirit and here thou art made manifest but to be in the pretence of the Spirit and knows nothing that is revealed with the spirit For thou that denies immediate revelation from heaven denies the spirit of the living God The Apostle said Eye hath not seen ear hath not heard neither hath it entred into the heart of man the things that God hath prepared for them that love him but God hath revealed them to us by his spirit 1 Cor. 2.9 10. And here thou that hast denyed immediate revelation from heaven hast denied the Spirit of God and manifested thy self to be in the natu●al state therefore I command thee and charge thee in the presence of the living God to be silent and to give over deceiving of the people 2. Thou that denies immediate revelation from heaven thou denies the grace that was to be brought unto the Saints whose mindes was to be girded up which grace was to be brought unto them at the revelation of Jesus Christ and this thou hast denied again as all people may see 1 Pet. 1.13 and here thou hast denyed Jesus Christ and this grace who denies immediate revelation and art in the fashion of the world and a blasphemer 3. Thou that hast denied immediate revelation from heaven hast denied the Spirit to pray with all and so all thy prayers is hypocrisie 4. Thou that hast denied immediate revellation from heaven hast denied the son of God For none knows the father but ths son and to whom the son reveals him Mat. 11.27 5. And thou that hast denied immediate and miraculous revelation from heaven hast not denied the son of God only but the father also And those that hast not the son of God hath not life Pr. The power is originally from God as the fountain but conveyed through the ministry of man as the conduit p. 90. Rep. Paul an Apostle not of man nor by man but by the will of God and here thou art proved to be a seducer and thy ministry contrary to his here thy spirit is tryed And thou slanders them who hears the voyce of God and art scorning them and in a deriding way calls it a deceitful eccho but we know