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A31043 The nonconformists vindicated from the abuses put upon them by Mr. [brace] Durel and Scrivener being some short animadversions on their books soon after they came forth : in two letters to a friend (who could not hitherto get them published) : containing some remarques upon the celebrated conference at Hampton-Court / by a country scholar. Barrett, William, 17th cent. 1679 (1679) Wing B915; ESTC R37068 137,221 250

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a little odd that in the whole Liturgy the Lords Prayer should never be put in the same words that are used in all our Translations of the Bibles that were authorized whether new or old Will Mr. D. say If Christ bid us use these very words that we may use other of like nature and import and yet that if the Church bid us use her words that we must use them and no other The Brownist will say the Church may well allow as much liberty as she taketh Besides what assurance can Mr. D. give the Brownists what words the Lord Jesus used when his disciples desired him to teach them how to pray Grotius the great saith It is credible that several things are thrown into the Greek copies of St. Luke out of St. Matthew and the things he supposeth to be thrust in are all that are left out of the old Latin copies if so the Lords Prayer must be made much shorter than ever it is made in our Liturgy we must not say which art in heaven nor thy will be done as in heaven so on earth nor but deliver us from evil The Brownist hath not yet done with Mr. D. but will ask him how often he is bound to say the Lords Prayer by virtue of the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 p. 27. of his Sermon he tells them that this and another reason by him there mentioned obliged those Protestants which follow the Augustane Confession and those of the Reformed Churches of Holland to say it ordinarily before and after meals at the end of their Graces Had these men reason to think themselves obliged to this custom If they had then is Mr. D. obliged also and sins every time he doth not use the Lords Prayer before and after meals if it were their mistake to think themselves obliged how will he give security that he is not mistaken in counting himself obliged to say a Pater noster every time that he bends his knee to God in prayer either in the beginning or middle or end of his prayer If he plead a command of Christ as he doth in that Sermon he must prove the quoties which it will be hard for him to do and if he talk of Christs sanctifying a form with his own mouth he must give us either the very words Christ spoke or else a juster translation of them than any he will find in the Common-prayer-book Finally If we have not received the grace of the Gospel in vain we must look on Christ as risen from the dead ascended into heaven confirmed the Universal Priest Intercessor and Advocate so could not the Disciples look on him when Christ taught them to pray which may be the reason why he told them that hitherto ye have asked nothing in my name Joh. 16.24 wherefore though it be lawful and expedient to use the Lords Prayer as we commonly use it and though the things to be prayed for cannot be better summed up or more briefly comprised yet vulgar people will be in great danger not to say the Lords Prayer in the Lords name not to think of his merit and intercession unless they have prayers so formed as to force them to a more distinct apprehension of Christs propitiation than the Lords Prayer doth Let it be observed whether the Doxologies made or mentioned to be made after Christs ascension into heaven do not lead us distinctly and particularly to offer and ascribe praise unto God in the name of Christ or by Christ or unto God and the Lamb or unto Christ Ephes 3 2● 1. Tim. 6.16 Rev. 5.13 The more pains that Dr. Lightfoot and others do take to show us the Lords Prayer in the Jewish Liturgies the more do they unawares strengthen men in a persuasion that it was not intended to be a pattern to us to form our prayers unto any more than as to the matter or things to be prayed for It cannot be that the Jewish and Christian Liturgy should not differ much in the manner of our addresses unto God it will be hard to find the Holy One called the God and father of our Lord Jesus Christ or his God and our God his father and our father by any Jew and yet no expressions more meet for the mouth of a Christian I pass to the third calumny in Mr. D.'s p. 144. Most of them wholly neglected the Lords Supper for many years Neglect is when a Minister hath opportunity to administer and doth not administer Did most of the Presbyterians thus neglect the administration of the Eucharist Who doth not know that many of them administred it oftner than by the Liturgy is required Hath Mr. D. never heard of their Associations either printed or not printed in order to the exercise of discipline Doth not the Directory say The Lords Supper is to be administred often If any secluded any one from that Ordinance who was of an orderly life and understood the first principles of the Oracles of God he did it not from Presbyterian principles but I remember that p. 44. he taxeth the Universities of this Kingdom and saith That the Vniversity of Oxford had no Communion for above twelve years Yet the Ministers are known who did frequently administer the Communion in the Churches and Chappels of that University in those twelve years But it may be he meant that in twelve years time the Vniversity as an Vniversity had no Communion To which I say If that were a fault it will not much concern the Presbyterians for the four Vicechancellors of Oxford during those twelve years were not Presbyterians and perhaps the University as an University is not a Church for if it be who is Pastor of it or who hath power to censure those who be disorderly Both Chancellor and Vicechancellor may be lay-men The Communions appointed to be at St. Maries at the beginning of the Terms were lately appointed and the penalties appointed for those who neglect to come to them are not Ecclesiastical penalties and I believe the twentieth part of the University never was at any one of them was it meet to make such a clamour about the omission of them A fourth Calumny is That in the Presbyterians Congregations there was a great irreverence at prayer very few kneeling many not so much as pulling off their hats Of this irreverence he saith he is an eye-witness Was he not well employed the mean while Could he find nothing else to do when in a Christian Congregation but only to tell how many kneeled and who had their hats quite off and who half off and who never uncovered their head at all In how many Congregations was he to make this observation if as is probable but in a few what unrighteousness is it to measure all Congregations by a few And is he sure that the men whom he observed to be so irreverent were Presbyterians Why might they not be some of his own perswasion who did come to put an affront on Presbyterians Prayers Either kneeling or