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A42570 A letter to Father Lewis Sabran Jesuite in answer to his letter to a peer of the Church of England : wherein the postscript to the answer to Nubes testium is vindicated and F. Sabran's mistakes further discovered. Gee, Edward, 1657-1730.; Gee, Edward, 1657-1730. Answer to the compiler of the Nubes testium. 1688 (1688) Wing G455; ESTC R177350 6,204 9

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A LETTER TO Father Lewis Sabran JESUITE In Answer to his LETTER to a PEER OF THE Church of England WHEREIN The Postscript to the Answer to NVBES TESTIVM is vindicated And F. SABRAN's Mistakes further discovered LONDON Printed for Henry Motlock at the Phoenix in St. Paul's Church-yard 1688. Imprimatur A Letter to Father Lewis Sabran Guil. Needham R mo in Christo P. D. Wilhelmo Archiepiscopo Cant. a Sacris Domest Nov. 25. 1687. Reverend Sir SInce I am altogether a stranger to that Honourable Person to whom your Letter is dedicated I would not presume to write my Vindication to his Lordship but thought it more proper for me to address this to your self What I put down in a Postscript in relation to your Sermon at Chester hath I perceive given you no little disturbance I do not wonder at it since few men are content or able to bear the justest censure that can be past upon them But tho' I do not wonder at your displeasure yet I do very much at your attempt to vindicate your self in a matter that is not capable of any defence as I shall quickly shew you I intend this Letter for a Vindication of my self to the world as well as to you and therefore will take leave to repeat what you said in that Sermon and what it was that I animadverted upon in my Postscript to the Answer to the Nubes Testium In the second page of your Sermon you have these words If I presume not to present them yours and your Auditours Prayers without taking along the joynt Intercession of the Mother of God I follow therein the Advice of St. Augustin which I address to you in his words Let us by the most tender Application of our whole heart recommend our selves to the most Blessed Virgin 's Intercession let us all with the greatest eagerness strive to obtain her Protection that whilst with Assiduity we pay her our Devotions on Earth she may intreat for us in Heaven by her earnest Prayers for undoubtedly she who brought forth the Price of Redemption hath the greatest Right to intercede for those who are redeemed This was the passage that I reflected upon there since with a very little pains I found that that Sermon out of which you quoted these expressions was not St. Austins and therefore I said in that Postscript that I could not but conclude you guilty either of great Ignorance or of notorious disingenuity who would ascribe to the venerable St. Austin this Notorious Forgery These Expressions of my Postscript I do still own notwithstanding your Vindication and intend this Letter for a Defence of them and a full Confutation of what you have so weakly and so unwarily offered towards the clearing of your self You have prefaced your Letter to that Honourable Lord with some hard words against the Church of England about her Reformation by meer Lay-Authority about her want of Succession Mission and about her undermining one third part of the Apostles Creed I am so very desirous to come to the Controversie betwixt us that I will only tell you here that every word of what you have said there against the Church of England is very false and very absurd You next make two or three Reflections upon my Answer to the Compiler of the Nubes Testium I will pass over these at present also since I am not at leisure here to defend that Book and which is more I need not against what you have said there You next come to the Dividing of my Accusation against you and tell the World I accuse you first of Ignorance in saying you followed the Advice of St. Austin when you recommended your self to the Most Blessed Virgins Intercession In Answer to which I must tell you Sir that you abuse words in dividing them-into the charge of Ignorance about Using the Intercession of the Blessed Virgin and Disingenuity about quoting the Sermon as St. Austins Your design I easily foresee which is to draw me into a Controversy about Invocation of Saints that so the heavy charge laid against you may be either dropt or buried in a multitude of words about other things But to be plain with you Sir now you have drawn me into the field I am resolved not to be diverted with the throwing in of other matter about Invocation which I have sufficiently answered once already in my Answer to the Compiler of the Nubes Testium I am resolved to finish this dispute about the Sermon of St. Austin before I begin any other with you When you have either cleared your self or owned your obstinate Mistake then I shall be at your service either in the DEFENCE of my Book or of my Mother the Apostolical Church of England You must not be angry therefore if I throw aside as nothing to the purpose of the present Controversy what you have set down out of the Nubes from your third to your sixth page where I was glad to find that you did recollect with your self that our dispute was about those words as taken out of the thirty fifth Sermon de Sanctis Which I said could not be St. Austins but you are now resolved to defend that it may As for my Arguments you tell his Lordship that I borrow some Proofs of this Confident Assertion I suppose you mean of the Sermons not being St. Austins of Alexandre Natalis and add one of my own contrivance Since I am not acquainted with that Honourable Lord I am afraid you will not do me the favour to tell that Lord from me that what you say here is very false I designed and drew up that Postscript and had it Printed in half a day I had not lookt into Natalis Alexandre of five weeks before and which is more neither looked for or ever saw one syllable in him about that or any other Sermon attributed to St. Austin that I remember I must own that I have been acquainted with Natalis Alexandre but it was meerly to find out the stealings of your Pious and Learned Author of the Nubes Testium who as I have thewn in my Answer did not only steal his whole Book excepting a small passage or two out of that French Historian but stands excommunicated by this present Pope for his pains After your false account whence I had my Proofs you come next to examine them singly My first was that the Title a Sermon on not in as you translate the words the Feast of the Assumption does not at all agree to any thing that is near St. Austins time You answer that there is no consequence can be drawn from the Title since the Title as I suppose your meaning is might have been afterwards added But why Sir can there be no consequence drawn hence my design was not only from there being no Feast of Assumption then which you grant and therefore no Sermon could be Preached on that Solemnity but from there being no belief of such an Assumption then and therefore