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A02548 The honor of the married clergie, maintayned against the malicious challenges of C.E. Masse-priest: or. The apologie written some yeeres since for the marriage of persons ecclesiasticall made good against the cauils of C.E. pseudo-Catholik priest. In three books. By Ios. Hall, D. of Diuin. Deane of Worcest. Hall, Joseph, 1574-1656.; Erasmus, Desiderius, d. 1536. An liceat sacerdotibus inire matrimonia. 1620 (1620) STC 12674; ESTC S119011 135,526 384

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with the mysteries of their more secret lusts I only speake of those things which are most notoriously knowne to the World And yet when we know these things how easie are we to admit men into holy Orders and how difficult in releasing this constitution of single life when as contrarily S. PAVL teaches that hands must not bee rashly layd vpon any and more then once hath prescribed 2what manner of men Priests and Deacons ought to bee but of their single life neither Christ nor his Apostles haue euer giuen any Law in the holy Scriptures Long since hath the Church abrogated the nightly Vigils at the Tombes of Martyrs which yet had beene receiued by the publike custome of Christians and that for diuers Ages Those Fasts which were wont to continue till the euening it hath transferred to noone and many other things hath it changed according to the occasions arising And why then doe wee so obstinatley vrge this humane constitution especially when so many causes perswade vs to an alteration For first a great part of our Priests liues with an ill name and with an vnquiet conscience handleth those holy Mysteries And then the fruit of their labours for the most part is vtterly lost because their doctrine is contemned of their people by reason of their shamefull life Wheras if Marriage might bee yeelded to those which doe not contayne both they would liue more quietly and should preach Gods Word to the people with authoritie and might honestly bring vp their children neither should the one of them bee a mutuall shame to other c. Post-Script to a second Libell THe answere to one Libeller drawes on another These kinde of Creatures doe best in couples Hee is cruell that neglects his owne Fame and though in time a false rumor would die alone yet it is best to preuent the Day and to dispatch it at once by a iust Apologie especially where the calumniation is growne vniuersall I haue therefore easily harkened to my wisest Friends in stopping the mouth of an idle clamour There is a base Paper that 〈◊〉 through all hands 〈◊〉 rep●h of one Doctor Hall whom the Libeller in the person of his Curate taxeth for incompetence of all ●ante pittifully complayning to his Maiestie whom that presumptuous wretch dares to name in his lewd Scroll that so small a Thong is out out to him of so large an Hide intimating the rich Master whom hee serues guiltie of a miserable parsimonie and vnworthy neglect of his meritorious seruice and 〈◊〉 the more enuy vpon the Ma● 〈◊〉 Name he traduceth he sets out 〈◊〉 large proportion of his supp● Masters Reuenues When 〈…〉 the Libell I could not but imagine it intended to some other of ●y not infrequent Name so v●ce ●y vnappliable 〈◊〉 I find al● those particulars to my selfe But ●o●is●e my answere to this Popish Ad●ersarie was on foot that malicious 〈◊〉 will need● appropriate the 〈…〉 with incredible 〈…〉 too well 〈…〉 Kingdo● 〈…〉 the Place and I am the Man whereto they haue also added after their manner an vnwritten fiction that his Maiestie taking notice of so wit● Complaynant hath sharply rebuked 〈◊〉 for so disproportionable 〈…〉 and hath raysed me by 〈◊〉 vnto an higher rare The matter obiected were not much 〈◊〉 in another twelue pounds ●y the yeere were too much for a Libeller the words imply more ●hen they expresse the Heart of them is worse then the Face and my publike Vowes haue turned my 〈◊〉 into Beames Thus must we with our Apostle passe through good as po●and euill Yet let mee 〈…〉 and the World say this for my selfe if I must 〈…〉 subiect of this foolish 〈…〉 this 〈…〉 neuer 〈…〉 of any 〈…〉 ●esse a 〈…〉 neuer 〈…〉 yeere● 〈…〉 of Soules In the Place where I now liue which my Libeller vpbraids me with I receiue onely a free and liberall Annuitie from my Right Honorable Patron the Lord Denny vpon whose onely charges also my Assistent in these holy Labours hath been euer both prouided and maintayned A truth which the Towne and Country can witnesse with me How could I therefore euer make here any such agreement how could that agreement offend how could that offence be reproued Many incouragements haue I had from my gracious Master neuer yet any rebukes For my estate blessed bee GOD and the King it is such as affoords me no cause of complaint much of thankfulnesse yet more transcending my merits then the exigence of my charge And is this Fellowes eye euill because my Masters is good The Arithmetick and Po● of my Libeller are much alike his summes are as false as himselfe For my Sheepe and Beasts they might soone haue beene counted I was neuer the Master of one Sheepe in all my life they are Flocks of another nature whereto I haue deuoted my thoughts As for Beasts if this good piece had beene euer mine I should perhaps haue had foure whereas now since the World must needs know my store I haue but three Iudge now Reader whether thou findest in the whole Clergie of this Kingdome yea in thine owne skin a man to whom a Libell of this nature may with lesse colour yea possibilitie of truth bee applyed Is not this then a worthy scrap of wit and honestie for some graue Benchers to striue for Copies of for some Gentlemen that should bee not vnwise not irreligious to make themselues merry with ●ter all the venom of 〈…〉 what I was perhaps 〈…〉 should I doubt th● 〈…〉 me for the 〈…〉 In the meane time I cannot but bee sorry to see that some Professors of Religion should so lightly bee won to the beliefe of idle slanders against those which are readie both with Hand and Tongue to maintayne the causes of GOD and sincerely desirous to liue that Gospell which they preach If there be any one of them whose good-name is Libell-proofe let him make sport at my wrong but if the greatest innocence and holinesse of Earth or Heauen be no protection against mis-report let him not without indignation intertayne those vniust reproches of another which may perhaps ere to morrow be his owne Had this Libeller written Him or Me Traytor or Murderer or whateuer other Malefactor I know no defence but Head and Shoulders and the Conscience of innocence Neither can I promise my selfe securitie that hereafter the worst crimes shall not bee laid vpon mee But farre bee it from honest Eares and Eyes to incourage villany For mee my heart can accuse it selfe of many sinnes before my GOD but for Couetousnesse I euer detested it as a most sordid and vn-schollerlike vice and such as if I could thinke it lurked any where within me I should hate my selfe If then some malicious Papist finding no iust quarrell to be pickt at my life haue thought good to cast vpon mee this pleasant and false disgrace let not the Fauourers of the Gospell second him in my causelesse Persecution For my Libeller whosoeuer hee is hee may secretly please
on the Saints whether sicke or trauelling were to dedicate themselues to this seruice but some of the yonger sort being inueigled by Infidell-Louers were drawn to leaue not their Station only of their ministration but their profession of Christianitie These had damnation most iustly for casting off their first Faith Their marriage was accidentally faultie because it forced them from their holy imployment Their Apostasie was absolutely and damnably sinfull in that they left Christ and followed after Satan The inextricable Dilemma then of my Detector is easily answered I demand now of Master Hall whether these yong Widdowes in breaking their Vowes did sinne or not If they did not why shall they haue damnation If they did sinne as indeed they did then how is the Vow vnlawfull how the brand of Antichristianisme Nothing can bee more base then to beg the Question What doe we dispute but whether any Vow were made and if any whether of Continence or of Seruice But why then shall they haue damnation for waxing wanton against Christ not meerely for marrying If to marry were to waxe wanton against Christ why would the Apostle haue aduised it them in a word for abandoning both their Office and Religion Lastly Who can but wonder at the face of our Aduersaries that dare bring forth so playne a witnesse against themselues For if the Vow of Continence be the first faith here spoken of then may not any Woman by the Apostles charge make this Vow till shee bee threescore yeeres old which how is it at this day practized in the Romish Church since and as the Caesar-Augustane Councell and the Agathense abated it to fortie yeeres and the third Councell of Carthage yet lower to fiue and twentie so Pope Gregorie fell yet lower to eighteene and some other Councels yet lower to twelue Although the Trent-Conference very liberally rise vp to whole sixteene Either therefore let them grant that our Apostle speaks not of Votaries or else let them follow his rule of the age of Votaries that the World may thinke they haue honest Nunneries and let them confesse their change presumptuous Thus I hope This Gordian knot that requires more strength then Master HAL●S learning and a sharper edge then ALEXANDERS sword to dissolued or cut is proued more easie then the knot of a Friers girdle which a very dull Whittle may cut asunder and Es. appeale to all Scholers proclaymes him ignorantly confident SECT VII IF it had not beene for two poore words of mine both yet misse-vnderstood I wonder how C. E. could haue discouered to the World his dexteritie in seruing out his oftsodden Cole-worts the refuse of his Bellarmine and Coccius Threescore and foure Pages or more hath hee brauely spent in the vindication of Virginitie which neuer honest and wise man opposed Let their Shauelings I said speake for themselues vpon whom their vnlawfull Vow hath forced a wilfull and impossible necessitie The man is angrie that I meddled with his crowne but if his haire had not beene longer then his wit this deepe offence had neuer beene For if he had taken my words Cum grano salis in the sense which they will onely well beare Let such of their Shauelings as vpon whom an vnlawful Vow hath forced an impossible necessitie speake for themselues none other neede speaking for he had found the sentence so particular that it might haue spared him both much splene and worke since neither was it in my heart euer to affirme the obseruation of this Vow impossible to any man neither will hee I hope hold that it is kept by all It is not in the power of the Razor together with the Haires to cut off inordinate affections some Vow which cannot contayne Vpon this supposition onely I called this necessitie impossible and this Vow vnlawful I cannot therefore but pitty my passionate Detector that hee hath set himselfe all on a froth in running this Wild-Goose chase alone following nothing but his owne fancy whiles hee pursues a certayne Chimericall Monster that holds Continence vtterly vniuersally impossible And that hee may the better repent him of this witlesse waste and preuent the spoile of good Paper hereafter let him know at once which perhaps hath not hitherto beene allowed him what wee hold concerning this Point Wee doe therefore from our hearts honour true Virginitie as the most excellent estate of life which is incident to fraile Humanity Gerson hath taught vs not to call it a Vertue but it is Cousin-German to a Vertue Neither doe wee thinke that the Earth affords any thing more glorious then Eunuchisme for the Kingdom of Heauen which is therefore commended by our Sauiour not as a thing meerely arbitrarie by way of aduice but of charge to the able Qui potest capere capiat In this we can gladly subscribe to Saint CHRYSOSTOME Bonum est Virginitas c. Virginitie is good I yeeld it and better then Marriage I confesse it Secondly euery man therefore not Ecclesiastiques onely should labour and striue to aspire vnto this estate as the better vsing all holy meanes both to attayne and to continue it Neither doe wee thinke it any other then blameable that yong Persons not so much as aduising with their owne abilities without all indeuour and ambition of so worthy a condition leape rashly into the bands of Wedlocke Thirdly though euery man must reach for it yet euery man cannot catch it since it hath pleased God to reserue this as a peculiar gift for some persons not intending it as a common fauour to all Suiters Fourthly those then which are vpon good triall conscious to themselues of Gods call to this estate and his gift inabling them vnto it may lawfully make profession therof to the glorie of the Giuer and if need be may vow God continuing the same grace vnto them an holy perpetuation thereof to their end the obseruation whereof if they through their owne neglect shall let fall they cannot bee excused from sinne or freed from censure But those which after all serious indeuours find nothing but weaknesse and vncertaynties in this behalfe shall sinne if they absolutely vow shall not sinne if they marry in what condition of life soeuer not sinne in marrying how euer their marriage may haue faultie circumstances Now my Detector by this time in our assertions sees his owne folly if against this hee can except ought he knowes where to find an aduersary In the meane time hee needed not to take it so highly that in the Romish vse of vowes I made mention of vnlawfulnesse of impossibility vnlawfulnesse in the making impossibility in keeping I am readie to maintaine both in respect of the indisposition yea incapacitie of the Votaries SECT VIII BVt in speaking of the impossibility of some mens continencie it was not possible for my Refuter to containe himselfe from a scurrill inuectiue against Luther Pellican Bucer and it becomes him well His Fathers like
that bookish eye witnesse the next passage which if his Superiors could haue had the leysure to haue viewed they had blushed at their Champion This charge of GREGORY I said was according to that rule of Clerks cited from ISIDORE and renewed in the Councel of Mentz but by our iuggling Aduersaries clipped in the recitall Here the man cryes out as before of forgerie so now of ignorance telling his Readers that I haue only taken this vpon trust from anothers note-booke Reader by this iudge of the spirit of my Detractor It is true Isidore wrote no Booke of this title But in the second Booke of his Ecclesiasticall Offices he makes the title of his second Chapter De Regulis Clericorum Of the Rules of Clerks From this Chapter I cite a confessed passage and am thus censured whereas the Councell of Mentz cites it by this very stile Sicut in Regulâ Clericorum dictum est As it is said in the Rule of Clerks Is it simplicitie that he knowes not this title of Isidore or maliciousnesse that hee conceales it One of them is vnauoidable It is cleere then to his shame if hee haue any that the testimonie is aright cited and is it lesse cleere that it is maymed and cut off by the hammes in their Moguntine Councell Compare the places the fraud shall be manifest That Councell in the tenth Chapter professes to transcribe verbatim the words of Isidore in the fore-cited Tract and where Isidore saith Castimoniam inuiolati 2corporis perpetuò conseruare studcant aut certè vnius matrimony vinculo foederentur Let them liue chaste or marry but one Their good Clerks haue vtterly left out the latter clause and make Isidore charge his Clerks with perpetuall continency Let them liue chaste He that denyes this let him deny that there is a Sunne in the heauen or light in that Sunne what need I say more Let the Books speake Here my Refuter doth so shuffle cut that any man may see hee speaks against his owne heart for to omit his strayned misse-interpretation of Isidore since wee now contend not of the sense but of the citation how poorely doth hee salue vp the credit of his Moguntine Fathers whiles he saith ISIDORE spake in generall the Fathers in that Councell more strictly when he that hath but one halfe of an eye may see that both speake in one latitude of the same persons Those Fathers giuing the same title to that Chapter and professing to follow the Letters and Syllables of Isidore both name onely Clericos in that rule without distinction Away then with this gracelesse facing of wilfull frauds in your faithlesse Secretaries which haue also fetcht two Canons out of Carthage to Wormes and learne to bee ashamed of your grosse falsifications and iniurious expurgations else doubtlesse the World will be ashamed of you SECT II. I Did but name Huldericus his Epistle in mine as a witnesse not as the foundation of my cause my Refuter spends but one and thirtie whole Pages vpon him How else should he haue made a Volume In all this what sayes hee Little in many words and the same words thrice ouer for fayling And first hee wonders at my extreme prodigalitie of credit and fearednesse of conscience in citing an Epistle so conuicted by Bellarmine Baronius Eckius Faber Fitz-Simons the Iesuite and others Why doth he not wonder that the Moone will keepe her pace in the skie whiles so many Dogs barke at her below When these Proctors of Rome haue said their worst there is more true authoritie in the very face of this Letter and better Arguments in the body of it then in an hundred Decretal Epistles which he adoreth Let the World wonder rather at his shamelesnesse who relating the occasion of this fable as he termes it faynes it to be only a Lutheran fiction to couer their incestuous marriages whereas their owne Cardinall Aeneas Syluius almost two hundred yeeres agoe mentions it and reports the argument of it whereas it is yet extant as Illyricus in the Libraries of Germany whereas Hedio found an ancient Copie of it in Holland and our Iohn Bale Archbishop Parker B. Iewell Io. Foxe had a Copie of it remarkeable for reuerend Antiquitie in aged Parchment here in England which I hope to haue the meanes to produce Whereas lastly the very stile importeth age As well may hee question all the Records of their Vatican all report of Histories all Histories of Times He that would doubt whether such an Epistle were written may as well doubt whether Pope Zachary wrote to B. Boniface in Germany a direction when to eate Bacon may doubt whether Paul the fift wrote to his English Catholikes to perswade them not to sweare they would be good Subiects may doubt whether Spider-catcher corner-creeper C.E. Pseudo-Catholike Priest wrote a scurrilous Letter of aboue two quire of Paper in a twelue-yeers-answer to three leaues of I.H. It is not more sure that there is a Rome or that Gregory and Nicholas sate there then that such an Epistle was written thither aboue seuen hundred yeeres agoe It was extant of old before euer those Lutheran quarrels were hatched Let him therefore goe fish for Frogs in the Pond of his Gregory whiles hee deriues thence the vaine pleas of improbabilitie If there were differences in relating the circumstances of that storie as I know none must it needs thereupon bee false Which of their Histories is not lyable to varietie of report To begin with the first The succession of Linus and Cletus and Clemens is diuersly reported is there no truth in it To end with the last The Title of Paul the Fift to the Chane of Peter in the lawfulnesse of his Election is diuersly reported hath he therefore no true clayme to his Seate But who euer placed Gregories Pond in Sicilie This is one of the fittens of his Fitz-Simons If other Authours haue mentioned this narration then all the strength of this Historie lyeth not on Huldericke If none besides him his words vary not These are but Trickes to out-●ace Truth The Epistle in spight of Contradiction is so ancient and what c● wee then for names Whether ● were Saint Vdalrike or Hulderick or Volusianus we labour not much 〈◊〉 it bee the taske of idle Criticks● dispute who was Hecuba●s Mother and what was her age No lesse vain is my Refuter that spends many waste words about his Saint V●●rick in shewing the difference of time betwixt him and Pope Nic●las The one dying Anno 869. ● other being horne 890. and prouing out of his obscure Sorbonist M●nchiacenus that there were fiue Bishops of Auspurge betwixt the times of the one and the other whereby a simple Reader might easily bee deluded and drawne to thinke there is nothing but impossibilitie and vntruth in our report● whereas there is nothing in all this peremptorie and colourable flourish of his but meere ●ogging or misprision For both Illyricus apart and the Centurists