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A61133 The smoke in the temple wherein is a designe for peace and reconciliation of believers of the several opinions of these times about ordinances, to a forbearance of each other in love, and meeknesse, and humility : with the opening of each opinion, and upon what Scriptures each is grounded ... : with one argument for liberty of conscience from the national covenant ... : with a full answer to Master Ley ... against my late New-Quere ... / by John Saltmarsh. Saltmarsh, John, d. 1647. 1646 (1646) Wing S499; ESTC R25538 77,440 97

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the opinion not of the Person as one of late who hath charged the unfortunate end of one as a fruit of separation whereas he might so argue against the very Doctrine of Christ because of one Judas who did the like to himself 6 Liberty for Printing and speaking Let there be liberty of the Presse for Printing to those that are not allowed Pulpits for Preaching let that light come in at the window which cannot come in at the door that all may speak and write one way that cannot another let the Waters of the Sanctuary have issue and spring up Vallies as well as Mountains 7 Let all subscribe their names to what they Print Let all that Preach or Print affixe their names that we may know from whom the contrary is a kinde of unwarrantable modesty at the best if it be truth they write why do they not own it if untruth why do they write Some such must either suppresse themselves for shame or fear and they that dare not own what they do they suspect the Magistrate or themselves 8 Let all be severally accountable Let all that Teach or Print be accountable yet in a several way if it be matter of immediate disturbance and trouble to the State let them account for it to the Magistrate under whom we are to live a peaceable and quiet life if matter of Doctrine c. let them be accountable to the Beleevers and Brethren who are offended by conference where there may be mutual conviction and satisfaction 9 Free debates and open Conferences Let there be free debates and open conferences and communication for all and of all sorts that will concerning difference in spirituals where doors are not shut there will be no breaking them open so where debates are free there is a way of vent and evacuation the stopping of which hath caused more troubles in the States then any thing for where there is much new wine in old bottles the working will be such as the Parable speaks on still allowing the State to secure all tumults or disturbances 10 Let us call Beleevers though of several opinions if the Name Brethren cannot be justly allowed Let all who pretend to come out of the Antichristian State be acknowledged as those several Jews and Christians who came out of Judaism and Gentilism in the Apostles times some were more and some lesse zealous of the Law yet all Beleevers some made conscience of the Idol and sacrifice some not 11 No Beleevers to esteem too highly of themselves for what they attain to Because we are but yet in our comings out of Babylon and the fall of Babylon not yet the Smoke yet in the Temple the Angels but powring out the Vials the Angel that enlightens the earth with glory not yet flying through the heavens let not any account of themselves to have attained any thing yet as they ought or to know there is not any Church or Beleevers but if one see more of one truth another may see more of another if one see one thing for a truth another sees another thing for a truth and yet all see short of the fulnesse of truth there is so much want darknesse and so little light or glory in each as is rather matter of humiliation and praise then glorying and exception one against another If any man think he knoweth any thing he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know 1 Cor. 8.2 12 No assuming infallibility over each other Let us not being under no further degree of the revelation of Truth and coming out of Babylon assume any power of infallibility to each other so as to force up all to our light or degree of knowing or practising for there lies as much on one side for compulsion as on another respectively to one another for anothers evidence is as dark to me as mine to his and mine to his as his to me till the Lord enlighten us both for discerning alike So as when there is no power in us to make that appear to another which appears to us there can be no reasonable equity for any enforcing or compelling in spirituals The first great rent betwixt the Eastern and Western Kingdoms began when the Bishop of Rome would needs excommunicate the East for not beleeving as they beleeved 13 No Civil power drawn into advantages Let not those Beleevers who have the advantage of the Magistrate strive to make any unwarrantable use of it one against another because Scripture-principles are not so clear for it and because they know not the revolution of Providence and we are to do as we would be done to That very day which should have been a bloody day to the Jews was turned into the contrary Esther and the Jews had power over them 14 Tendernesse in offending each other in things of an outward nature Let there be much tendernesse in not offending each other but pleasing one another to edification Paul would not offend the Idolatrous weak The weakest and most superstitious makes most conscience of outward things and the strong should know that Idol or Idol-temple is nothing Many a one are more offended at Truth by the carriage of another who sometimes reforms with as much superstition as the other offends It is as much below the glory of the Gospel to think one place unholy as holy No place can defile now Salomons Temple is not standing yet let all Truth be brought forth peaceably Truth and Peace can offend nothing but that which may be justly offended which is the corruption not the person 15 Several Opinions from the Gospels first discovery yet all Beleevers Consider the differences and several Opinions from the first discovery of the Gospel Some beleeved not Christs sufferings and Resurrection as the Disciples whom yet Christ took to him and walked with and counted as his Some beleeved not the Holy Ghost nor Christs Baptism and were zealous of the Law and yet the Disciples counted them as Beleevers Johns Disciples would have followed John onely but John sent two of them to Christ at one time and told them again he must encrease but himself must decrease Christ in his time would not forbid any that went about in his Name There is none that doth any thing in my Name can lightly speak evil of me When the Spirit was given the Disciples bore one another out of the Church as the Beleevers of Johns Baptism and the zealots of the Law and one another in the Church they that did eat them that did not eat and they that regarded a day them that regarded not a day walking together as far as they attained by the same rule 16 No despising for too much learning or too little Let not one despise another for gifts parts learning let the Spirit be heard speak in the meanest let not the Scribe or Disputer of the Law despise the Fishermen nor they despise them because Scribes and Disputers
The Smoke in the Temple WHEREIN IS A DESIGNE FOR PEACE and RECONCILIATION of Believers of the several OPINIONS of these Times about ORDINANCES to a Forbearance of each other in Love and Meeknesse and Humility With the opening of each Opinion and upon what SCRIPTURES each is grounded With the several EXCEPTIONS which may be made against each Opinion from the SCRIPTURES With one Argument for Liberty of Conscience from the NATIONAL COVENANT With another Argument to prove the Gospel or New Testament of Jesus Christ the very Word of God Tendred to all the Beleevers to shew them how little we have attained and that there is a more glorious Fulnesse to be revealed With a Discovery of the Antichristian way of Peace c. for Opinions With a full Answer to Master LEY One of the Assembly of Divines against my late NEW-QUERE With some spiritual Principles drawn forth of the Controversie Revel. 15.8 And the Temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from his power and no man was able to enter into the Temple till the seven plagues of the seven Angels were fulfilled By John Saltmarsh Preacher of the Gospel at Brasteed in Kent THE SECOND EDITION CORRECTED London Printed by Ruth Raworth for G. Calvert at the signe of the Black Spread-Eagle at the West-end of Pauls 1646. To the Right Honourable the Lord Vicount SAY and SEALE and Lieutenant General CROMWEL Noble Patriots IF I mistake not you may here single out something of the Lords from what is mine and discern some beams of God amongst many things of man I know the candle of the Lord cannot shine anywhere with more snuff then in me however since the Lord hath lighted it I dare not but let it shine or rather glimmer before men I have writ your Names to my Book that I may be one of your Remembrancers amongst the rest to the advancement of Truth not but that they who know ye know ye to be acted by a Spirit of Truth in your selves The Lord remember ye according to all the good ye have done in your several Ministrations to this people and do that for ye which gives you most and yet takes most from ye even filling ye with himself till he hath emptyed ye of all but his own glory and gathered ye up into the fulnesse and righteousnesse of himself in Christ where we are onely nothing in our selves and every thing in him and surely the most and best and greatest thing he can do for the sons of men is thus to make them nothing in their own account that he that glorieth may glory in the Lord I may seem strange to wish ye thus but I know it is not strange to ye who know the Mystery of the Spirit and of Christ My Lord and Sir Go on still yet still laying your designes in a glory above that of States and Kingdoms and involving all your counsels there where there is most of Heaven and lest of the World So prays Your Servant in the Lord JOHN SALTMARSH To the Beleevers of several Opinions for outward Ordinances or dispensations scandalously called Independents Presbyterians Anabaptists Seekers Brethren I Have fairly set down how far each of you have attained in the Mystery of Truth and surely we are all short of the glory which shall be revealed in the Temple or Church of God and there are such clouds rolling about each opinion that may darken it or something of it So as things are not so clear as they are commonly taken by each of us If any man think he knoweth any thing he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know So as the common ignorance and infirmitie amongst us may be a rise for a common Vnitie amongst us and seeing we all come out of Babylon though in several wayes to the glorious Temple or Tabernacle which God hath sent down to be with men and walk thus diversly thither yet our several and distinct goings are but like so many Travellers to the Citie of London some travel from the North some from the South and from the West some from the East yet all thither though too there may be some mistaking of the way in each because of the little light that is abroad The gathering of the Saints into the Heaven or Kingdom below in this day of Revelation is like the gathering at the last day which shall be all into one glorious Body though the gathering shall be from the four winds or ends of the Earth by the several Trumpets or Angels One thing I have more Let us seek for the Spirit of wisdom and revelation to open to us the Mystery of the Scriptures called The Revelation for in that Book is the Prophecie of the Churches laid up and the seasons and times for Truth revealed Let us search and seek out by the Spirit of Jesus even that Jesus which was in the Vision and gave it out to John for there is none found worthy to open the Book with Seals but the Lamb Surely in the Mystery of Angels Vials Sea of glasse with fire Temple with Smoke the Angel with the everlasting Gospel the Angel enlightening the Earth the Whore in skarlet and pretious pearls the Cup of abomination the Beast like a Lamb the Image of the Beast the Horns and Kings of the Earth the mark in the forehead and in the right hand the buying and selling the Tabernacle of God with men the first and second Resurrection the Throne of God the pure crystal River of water the Holy Jerusalem descending from God c. In these is much of the glory wrapped up and from these shall the Truth we contend for appear to our further enlightening Yet one thing more We that are thus contenders for Ordinances for the Temple and the Vessels in it let us take heed we forget not him who is greater then the Temple for one greater then the Temple is here It would be spiritually considered that while we strive for the Vessels and Cups we spill not the Wine And it ought to be so carried by all of us that because we are so much in opinion we may not be thought to place Religion there as I fear too many do making a Christ of the very Ordinance of Christ and pressing some outward Ordinances of the Gospel so legally as some hearing such a power of salvation put into them and finding an outward dispensation more easily got then the spiritual make haste thither onely and then sit down as saved under a meer outward Ordinance The Lord grant that we may neither undervalue an Ordinance nor the least Institution of Jesus Christ nor raise it up into a Jesus Christ and set up the Law above or beside the Law-giver We must now learn to know Jesus Christ lesse after the flesh and not to embody salvation in a meer outward dispensation and so incarnate Jesus Christ over again from the glory and spirituality he is in Brethren farewell For my part
though Presbytery be but a very Church-gathering and founded on a Principle of seperation yet do they not disapprove and condemn separation and semi or half-separation and Church-gathering for Schism c when their own power is a Schism respectively to the Parishes that are distinct and whatever distinction is formed to make them appear as part of their Congregations yet is it indeed so Is not their whole power defended to be entirely essentially dispensatively in the Presbytery called by themselves the Church and by the very authority of one whom I name with reverence to his learning and moderation Master Herle So as I wonder why there should be such envyings rayilngs accusings dissentings betwixt us that are beleevers though of severall wayes when as each is principled founded administred upon the same ground and way of Schism separation and Church-gathering nay the Presbytery hath more Schism and separation in it then the rest by how much it is constituted from the people and Brethren and acts in its ministration apart too viz. over the people rather then with them None to be forced under Christs Kingdome as in the Kingdoms of the world IN a Spirituall Government the ignorance of people which some would have for expedition that they may practically know it is no Scripture way of knowing in practicall godlinesse things must be knowne before practically known and practice is to begin from faith and faith from knowledge else the obedience can be but blind mixt and Popish Indeed in things civill or morall practice may bring in knowledge habits may be acquired and gotten by acts a man may grow temperate by practising temperance and civilly obedient by practising civill obedience but it is not so in spirituals there habits go before acts spirituall infusions before practices Indeed the Lawes of States and Kingdomes and Civill Policy teach men best by ruling them practically but it is not so in the Church men are not to be forced into Christs Kingdome as into the Kingdomes of the world the Kings of the Nations exercise their Dominion it shall not be so among you The power of a formall Reformation in a Government makes it not Christs Government A Government though not purely Christs may be made up of such Scripture and prudentiall materials as may much reform the outward man even as a meer prudentiall Civill-government may do if severely executed The Romanes by how much they excelled other Nations in Laws so much the more they excelled them in a people reformed moralized ●nd civilized in many Civill States meerly from their wholesome Policy and administration excellent and pretious flowers spring up many morall vertues as prudence temperance obedience meeknesse love justice fortitude Yet all this makes not a Government to be Christs but only that which is meerly the Discipline of Christ and Policy of Christ Prelacy in its Primitive time did reforme the beast like a lamb which compelled the Nations to Worship and made even fire to come down from Heaven or was religious in the eyes of men and did miracles yet was no true nor heavenly Power neither There are certain parts and degrees of Reformation common and communicable with the Government of Christ other Governments but then there is a form and Image of Christ in it which no others have and some certain spirituall operations and workings which exceed the power of all other Governments and this makes the difference and puts on the essentiall true and individuall form upon it so as in choice of Governments they are not to be chosen by some Summer-fruit in the outward man but by the Word and Spirit The visible Church or Communion is the Image of the invisible or mysticall THe invisible or mysticall Church is made up of pure living stones all is spirituall and yet all not spirituall in the like kinde nor degree Iesus Christ the corner stone is both God and man and some of his differ in glory as one Star differs from another and as it is here in this spirituall invisible glorious building so it is in the outward visible Communion below or building here which is the Image of that above The Temple here is according to the Patern there and as that is of true reall essentially spirituall living stones so the Church here is to consist of such as visibly formally and outwardly appear so and therfore called Saints and golden Candlesticks and holy Nation c. and though all the materials in this building are to be proportionable pure to make up a representative of the Church above yet all is not of one square and measure and polishing some are greater and some lesse some Babes and children in Christ some smoaking Flax and bruised Reeds and as this Church bears the Image of the heavenly so the materiall one bore the Image of this there was pure stones gold and Cedar so as there is roome in the Church now for any small stone or the lest peece of timber if it be but lively or squared if Cedar or firr How Christ is a King of the Nations and of the Church and how an Head Christ is a King to the Nations and to the Church nor doth he rule the Nations as the Church nor the Church as the Nations he rules ministerially in his Church and monarchically in the Nations he rules with a golden Scepter in his Church with an Iron Rod in the Nations nor doth Christ rule as the Kings of the Nations who finding people rude barbarous uncivill subdue them into obedience and civility but so doth not Christ in his Church that we know on the dispensation of his Word not of the Government first subdues And it is true Christ is an Head but not an Head to every body he will have a body proportionable to his Head both here and hereafter in earth as well as in heaven he is a pure holy glorious Head in his Gospel dispensation and well have a body suteable pure Not onely is the visible body of Christ thus pure but every truth of Christ bears the Image of Christ every truth of his hath something of himselfe in it who is Truth it selfe I am the Truth saith Christ every beam of light is light every truth is a sparkle of truth it self Thus we may judge of truth by what of Christ we see in it They who break a Crystall may see their face in every peece and parcell so in every thing of Christ there is an Image of Christ either of his purity or holinesse or love or humility or meeknesse c. The Presbyteriall Government and the Worlds of the same equall Dominion WHat kinde of Church-government is that which will set up it selfe with the Civill and State-government even co-ordinate with it if not to the ruling and tutoring of it which hath as large a Dominion as the other which is as full as ample as high and as supream which no lesse territory then a Kingdome will serve then a whole Nation