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A06074 The baynes of Aquisgrane, the I. part & I. volume, intituled Variety Contayning three bookes, in the forme of dialogues, vnder the titles following, viz. Profit, pleasure, honour. Furnished with diuers things, no lesse delightfull, then beneficiall to be knowne, and obserued. ...by Roger Baynes gent. a long exile out of England, not for any temporall respect. Baynes Roger, 1546-1623. 1617 (1617) STC 1650; ESTC S115504 73,346 126

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whatsoeuer he desireth and therfore he alone may be said to be poore who is not contented with that which he hath and desireth superfluityes And on the other side only he may be said to be rich who hath no need nor want of any thing more then is requisite and who desireth not that which he hath not but only so much as he must needs vse and may also conueniently haue so as it is not the aboundance of wealth that maketh a man rich but the contented mynd nor the want of wealth that maketh a poore man but the mynd afflicted for that which is wanting And therfore to be rich with desire of increase is to be poore and to be poore without desire of more is to be rich the which is another accompt then the world doth vse to make either of the one or the other reputing him to be poore who hath but little though he be content therewith and him to be rich who hath a great deale though he liue besides it and neuer thinkes he hath inough And these kind of rich men be inferiour far vnto that other sort of poore men both in life in death and also after death in life I meane because the poore man enioyeth more his liberty both to go where he will and to speake what he will without any great heed taken vnto him also suffereth more easily miseryes as one who is more accustomed to beare them and taketh more pleasure in any recreation as one not so wonted to haue them Likewise the rich man is inferiour to the poore man in respect of his death because no body conspireth or desireth his end for that nothing is to fall vnto them by the same neither hath he himselfe when he departeth any burden to disquiet his mynd for that he hath not any accompts with the world to make neither is he so loath to leaue the world as the rich man is to whom not only the houre of death but also the very remembrance therof is most bitter as testifieth the holy Scripture saying O mors quàm amara est memoria tui homini habenti pacem in substantijs suis Moreouer to shew that the rich man is likewise inferiour to the poore man after his death there shall need heere no other proofe then that which Christ himselfe hath said therof Luc. 6. Blessed are you that be poore for yours is the Kingdome of heauen And againe Miserable are you rich men who in your riches haue all your consolation So that the rich man hath his glory here on earth and the poore man hath his in heauen and therfore God ordayned in the old Law Deuter. 10. That the Leuites who were chosen for the Altar and for his owne seruice should haue no possessions and in the new Law the Apostle testifieth 1. Cor. 1. that Pauperes elegit Deus ad hereditatem regni caele is yea our Sauiour Christ did not only liue in pouerty himselfe and choose poore disciples but also did aduise and counsell a young rich man to sell all that he had and giue it to the poore So that pouerty although it be most where abhorred yet is it a great and an inestimable treasure in respect both of the world to come and also of this life as being the mother of tranquillity the excluder of disquietnes the Port of contentment and rest a sufferance without losse a passion without strife and the high way to eternall happines in heauen so that it be sought and willingly suffered for the loue of God AQVILONIVS And yet for all this we see few rich men that do abandone their wealth to make themselues poore which is a great signe that there is something in pouerty more contrary to nature then there is in riches ¶ Heere Fauonius misliking the obstinacy of Aquilonius said thus vnto him FAVONIVS He who speaketh against pouerty speaketh against riches for first men were poore before they were rich and so labouring by little and little against their said pouerty haue become to be rich in the end AQVILONIVS Then according to this reason we might likewise say that he who speaketh against Disprofit speaketh against Profit albeit before we haue said them to be contraryes FAVONIVS As contrary as they are it cannot be denyed but that Disprofit goeth before Profit and spending before getting the Plowman must spend in tilling his ground before he can reape any fruit the Artizan must lay out in buying of wares to worke vpon before he can receiue any gaine and the Merchant at sea must put in venter to loose all before he can come to see his owne againe Also the Suitor at Law spendeth much in following of his suite before he can come to haue any iudgment on his side the cūning Courtier giueth first many Presents before he can get any reward in recompence and the buyer of Land layeth out more money in one hower then he is to see againe in twenty yeares after Likewise the makers of paper must buy many rags before their paper can be made the Printers of bookes must buy paper before their books can be sold and the students of Sciences must buy many bookes before they can make any profit of their studyes wherby it appeareth that Disprofit many times is the beginner of Profit AQVILONIVS So as by this meanes you will inferre that if you take away pouerty you take away riches and if you take away Disprofit you take away Profit FAVONIVS You say well since for as much as belongeth to the first part of your proposition I do aske you What delight a rich man might hope to find in his riches if so there were no poore man to do his labours for him As for example to till his ground to keep his horses to go to the market to dresse his meat to fetch home his wood to playster his walls and the like all which seruile offices and many other worse then these if he should be driuen to do them himselfe his wealth might lye by him and stand him in little steed so as though by taking away pouerty you do not actually take away the meanes vnto the getting and increasing of riches which may sometimes be otherwise also obtayned then by industrious pouerty yet in effect you should bring therby the rich man to be for want of Drudges to serue him in little better case then the poore man himselfe which poore man by doing but only those labours for his owne proper vse which he is now hired to do for the rich man and the rich man therby forced to do those labours for himselfe which now the poore man doth for him for his money he would be of the two in worse case by being lesse able then the rich man to take such paynes and therfore the poore man if he will may better liue like a poore man without the help of the rich man then the rich man may liue like a rich man without the help of the poore man