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A05364 A consultation what faith and religion is best to be imbraced. Written in Latin by the R. Father Leonard Lessius, Professour in Diuinity, of the Society of Iesus. And translated into English by W.I. Lessius, Leonardus, 1554-1623.; Wright, William, 1563-1639. 1618 (1618) STC 15517; ESTC S105037 99,482 276

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same substance with his Father And in (f) Cont. Gentil refutat 10. another place Nomen dei c. The Name of God by excellency doth pertayne only to the Father and he is only properly the Creatour of heauen and earth Nay more the Sonne is subiect to the Father also according to his Diuinity Againe in the same place Impropriam duram c. That is an improper hard speach of the Nicene Creed God of God Light of Light And in his 2. Epistle to the Poloniam he affirmeth that Christ according also to his Diuine Nature is inferiour to the Father Behould then whither this nouelty is come at last These things being considered what wise man can euer be brought to belieue that these men were sent of God to reforme the Church For how should they repayre this ruined Church who so shamefully destroy their owne doctrine Who can be thought so simple and of so small wisdome and circumspection that he cannot auoyd so manifest contradictions in matters of so great moment Certainly whosoeuer is contrary to himselfe and what he now establisheth by and by destroyeth againe he without all doubt doth not speake from the spirit of God For if I build saith the Apostle the same things againe which I haue destroyed I make my selfe a preuaricatour ad Galat. 2. The spirit of God cannot be contrary to it selfe nor deny it selfe Wherunto is added that although they contradict themselues in many thinges and ouerthrowe their owne pleas yet notwithstanding they are so bold malepart that they dare affirme themselues to be certaine of their owne Doctrine and the same to be most true and the very Doctrine it selfe of Christ For so saith Luther Certus sum quòd c. Contra Regē Angliae I am certayne that I haue my Doctrine from heauē And I am most certaine that my Doctrine is not myne but of Christ and that my doctrine cannot be contrary to it selfe seing that it is the Doctrine of Christ And in another place he saith Se ita esse c. that hit Doctrine is so certaine that he will not haue it iudged of Contra Statum Ecclesiast or contradicted by any man no not of the Angels And that no man can be saued vnlesse he receyue and imbrace his doctrine In like manner Caluin was wont often to exclayme in his sermons that he was a Prophet and that be could not be deceyued vnlesse God had deceyued him c. as before in the 5. Reason we haue shewed By which it is manifest that these men did not only not speake out of the spirit of God when as they are so full of errors and contradictions but that they be impostors also deceyuers of the people For whosoeuer affirmeth his Doctrine wherin there be so many errors and contradictions to be of God is presumed not to deale sincerely but to speake against his conscience and to beguile the people seeing that it is euident that he that doth so can haue no in ward light frō God wherby to make him certaine of the verity of his doctrine or the testimony of God because God cannot witnesse or reueale Doctrines contrary or repugnant one to the other With what force then do they so bouldly affirme that their Doctrine is of God or the Doctrine of Christ therfore they do not deale vprightly in this affayre but would only deceyue the world Some perhaps may answere herunto and say that now and then they erred in the beginning when as they had not as yet fully the spirit of God but afterward they neither erred nor changed their opinions But this answere hath no colour of truth For whosoeuer haue byn sent immediatly from God to teach and instruct the people they had presently in the very beginning of their mission an infallible assistance and direction from God so as they could neuer erre the least iote in their Doctrine as it is manifest of the Prophets and Apostles Nay in that beginning they had most of all need of that direction because then euery thing is more narrowly sifted and looked into and their authority and mission is compared with other learned men and their Doctrine For if they had byn taken in any error or contradiction all their credit and authority had byn lost and they had worthily byn reiected as false impostors and deceyuers of the people And so if Caluin and Luther had byn sent from God to repayre and reedify the Church it had byn specially necessary that straight in their begining their Doctrine had byn solide and without all contradiction least they might haue byn reiected and contemned as deceyuers and that worthily Againe I demaund of them when and at what tyme did they at length receyue that fulnes or plenitude of spirit that they could not erre any longer How should this be manifest to the world that men might know when to belieue them and when not to wit not in the beginning but yet in the later end For if this were not knowne they might presume and that worthily that they would erre as wel after as they had done before And finally it is euident that in all their life they were variable changing correcting or contradicting themselues almost in euery booke and worke they set forth as before we haue shewed by that little we haue alleaged and may do much more out of the many places produced by Cochlaeus Coccius and others out of their owne words and wrytings For the further they went comonly the more bitter they were and what they spake but mildly in the beginning that they eyther exaggerated or changed it into some contradiction in the end The VII Reason Taken from the fraudes and deceipts which the Sectaries commonly vse THAT Religion is alwayes to be had in suspition whose Authors mantayners do vse guile deceyts and lyes to vphold and establish the same For that true Religion doth not need any such helps but false Religion which when she is destitute of true and solid reasons she must necessarily place all her hope in lyes But now the Authors and mantayners of Lutheranisme and Caluinisme do vse many fraud● and lyes wherwith to propagate their religion Ergo they are worthily to be suspected That they vse deceyts it is manifest Heretiks impose false doctrine vpon Catholiks First for that they do falsely charge the Catholikes with many absurdityes wherby they may more easily impugne and defame their Religion as for example that the Papistes do worship images wood stocks stones euen as Ethnicks do adore their Idoles so as whatsoeuer they find in Scripture that is against the worshipping of Idols that they bring in against the veneration of Images In which case they deale not sincerely For they know wel inongh or may know if they will that in the Catholike Church Images of Saintes were neuer adored as Gods or with any worship that is due vnto God alone as Idols are adored by