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A59164 Seneca's answer to Lucilius his quære why good men suffer misfortunes seeing there is a divine providence? / written originally in Latine prose and now translated into English verse by E.S., Esq.; De providentia. English Seneca, Lucius Annaeus, ca. 4 B.C.-65 A.D.; Sherburne, Edward, Sir, 1618-1702. 1648 (1648) Wing S2508; ESTC R17489 14,005 40

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Austere Parents who make their's indure Labour and toyle to hardship doth inure If then the Good Men after Gods owne will Thou shalt behold to toyle sweat climb the Hill And see the bad to sport with Wanton Pride Floating in Pleasures at a high Spring Tide Thinke with thy selfe that Wee delight to have A Modest Child though a licencious slave That this too severe disciplin's restrain'd Whilst that in his bold liberti's maintain'd The selfe same course thou may'st observe God take He does no darling of a Good Man make But tryes and hardens makes him Proose 'gainst Ill And brings him to the Bent of his owne Will PART II. ARGUMENT God doth good Men like a severe Father Afflictions learne to beare Quest HOw comes it that Adversitie doth then So often happen to the Best of Men Ans. No Ill te a good Man can r'ebefall Since Contraries can never mix at All For as the Land so many fresh Streames powres Into the Sea the Heav'n so many showres And yet the Saltnesse of the Ocean Can neither change nor lessen so nor can His fixed Resolutions alt'red be Though storm'd on All sides by Adversitie He 's still the same and whatsoe're ensue Be 't good or Bad he brings to his owne Huc Since he 's above all outward Accidents Not that I meane of these he hath no sence But that he masters them and with a State Compos'd beares up against the Tyde of Fate Counts Crosses Exercises of the Mind For where 's that man to honest things inclin'd Affects not lawfull labour And 's not prone To good Imployments though with hazard knowne And to a Soule industrious what lesse Then a tormenting Paine is Idlenesse Wee see that Wrastlers least their strength impaire T' incounter with the strongest still prepare Before the Combat craving from their Foes That they would them with their whole strength oppose Enduring Stroakes and Gripes and if too weake One Foe they find they more Opponents seeke Vertue without an Adversary pines Then she alone in her true greatnesse shines Then doth her value and her strength appeare When she by suffering shewes what she can beare And know from me this is a Good Mans State Not to feare Crosses nor complaine of Fate Who should what ever happens to him take As sent for good and his advantage make Not what but how we suffer is the thing See'st not how Fathers unlike Mothers bring Their children up they with an early care Them for their studies and their Books prepare Nor suffer them though on a Holy-day A time for liberty and ease to play But exercise in some laborious course Sweat from their Browes Teares from their eyes inforce When Mothers hug them in their Bosomes laid Nor suffer them to stirre out of the shade Teares sadnesse toyle are things they must not know God to Good men a Fathers minde doth shew And loves with a more strong affection Let them sayes he that would for mine be knowne Bee with griefe labour and with Crosses try'd That so they may be truely fortifi'd Full Bodies languish through dull Idlenesse Whom toyle and their owne weight alike oppresse Vnhurt Felicity no wound can bide When with her Crosses she hath been us'd to chide Then through all Injuries that Chance doth lay l'obstruct her Passage she doth force her way Yeelds to no ills though over-power'd by might But on her knees though downe maintaines the fight Obj. Thou wondrest God that so the Good doth love Who would they should the best of Mortalls prove And the most excellent should yet by 's will Make them the Exercise of Fortune ●●ill Answ. I wonder not if Gods with pleased eyes See great men combate with Calamities 'T is to ourselves sometimes a pleasing sight To see a Youth with an undaunted sprite The rough assault of some fierce Beast oppose Or fearelesse with a raging Lion close And so much more delightfull is the sight As the Youth 's comely who performes the fight These are not spectacles for Gods to see But childish Scones of humane vanity Behold a sight on which as if intent On its chiefe worke Heav'ns eye may well be bent A sight worth Heav'n indeed to see a minde Firmly resolv'd to adverse Fortune joyn'd As that he scorned Fury seem'd to brave What nobler spectacle great Jove could have On Earth I know not would he daigne to looke Then to see Cato all his Partie broke Upright yet midd'st the Publique Ruines stand Though All sayes he now stoope to ones Command Though Legions guard the Land Navies the Sea And 'fore out Ports Caesar intrenched be Cato hath yet an Exit from all These And with one Hand can wheresoe're he please Make his rode Way to libertie This Blade With blood of Civill Warre ne're guiltie made A brave and Noble Act at length shall doe On Cato now that Libertie bestow It could not on his Country Now the Fact My Soule So long premeditated act And snatch thy selfe out of Humanitie By this time Juba and Petreius be Dispatch'd and lye slaine by each others Hand A brave and valiant End Yet does not stand With our great-sould resolves Cato his Death As much from any scorns to aske as Breath Sure no small joy it in the Gods did move Whilst they beheld him his owne Rescue prove And as it were for others safetie lay The ground and trace for their Escapes the Way Whilst that last Night his studies he pursu'd And in his sacred Brest his Sword imbru'd Whilst h'his extracted Bowells threw about And with his owne undaunted Hand drew out His pious Soule too worthy farre to feele Or be contaminated by rude Steele And therefore I imagine that the Wound No cure nor Efficacious Issue found Cato but once to see could not suffice The high Immortall Powers His Faculties And vertue therefore still retained were That in the hardest part they might appeare For 't is an Act lesse high and great our Breath At once to fo●ce then to repeat our Death Nor with unwilling Eyes doe I suppose They saw their Son so gloriously close His Memorable Tragedy Death then Is but the Consecration of good Men Whose brave and gallant Exit justly drawes From those that tremble at it as Applause PART III. ARGUMENT Ills are not Ills to good Men meant But are by God as Tryalls sent NOw shall the Progresse of our Worke make cleare Those are no Ills at All that so appeare For those things you harsh cruell horrid call Were first ordain'd for them on whom they fall And next for all Mankind which is Heav'ns Care Farre more than any Individualls are Next that these things falls not against their Wills That did they they deserv'd to suffer Ills To these I 'le adde that they from Fate doe flow And to the good by the same Rule they 're so Doe happen therefore I perswade thee shall Never to pittie a good Man at All He miserable sometimes may be said But never can be miserable
SENECA'S ANSWER TO LVCILIVS HIS QVAERE Why Good Men suffer misfortunes seeing there is a Divine Providence Written Originally in Latine Prose AND Now Translated into English Verse BY E. S. Esq Calamitas Virtutis occasio LONDON Printed for Humphrey Moseley and are to be sold at his shop at the Princes Armes in St. Pauls Church-yard 1648. TO His most Sacred MAJESTY SIR WHilst I contemplate Your Sufferings see You as it were personating to the life that sad * Patterne which from the Archetype of Royall Patience the King of Heaven himselfe the Penne of Your Great Father drew behold You though under all the Pressures of these times yet still above them and see ev'n those Crosses intended for Your Afflictions stoop and bow to You paying You as it were that Homage which Your people should and in acknowledgement of Your new Acquest of passive Glory a Glory which till Your Majesties sufferings manifested the contrary was held inconsistent with that of a Crowne saluting You with the sad yet sacred Title of the King of Sorrows I from thence assume the humble boldnesse to think that this Peece of Seneca of The Sufferings of Good Men might at this time be made a pardonable I durst not thinke it a suitable Present for Your Majesties view wherein as by a weake Reflex Your Majesty may perceive a glympse of Your own invincible Patience and inimitable Magnamity in in bearing and ever-mastering Mis-fortunes How farre beyond what now it hath had the Divine Pencill of Seneca set off this darke-shadowed Tablet had he liv'd in these Times to have heightned it with the lustre of Your Majesties Example Sir whilst the times are such that they deny me according to my particular Duty to serve the just Commands of Your Majesties Will I presume though by so mean a Demonstration to shew Your Majesty that yet I have a Will to serve You. And if Your Majesty shall bee pleased to pardon this humble Addresse it shall abundantly satisfie his Modesty who cherishes not in himselfe so proud a Hope as to look for an Acceptation God who regards Your Majesties Sufferings for these Minutes of Afflictions send You Eternity of Joyes and Crowne You with Glory on a Heavenly Throne which that hee would be pleased as in a Type to shadow forth unto You in the Happinesse of a speedy and a glorious Restauration to This of Your Majesties Kingdomes Is the truely zealous and the justly-bounden Prayer of Your Majesties most Loyall Subject and Servant EDW. SHERBURNE To the Reader THat Verse is no mis-becomming Attire for the grave Moralls of Seneca is manifest by the late * Example of a Worthy Pen That among all those Excellent Morall Tracts of his this is one of the Chief we have the Testimony of the learned Lipsius who honours this with the Title of a Golden Work Lastly how suitable this Peece may seeme to the present Condition of divers Good Men honest and loyall Sufferers in these bad Times The subject matter thereof will clearely evidence To whom if at any time it shall prove in the Reading as sometimes it did to the Translatour in the doing thereof not an unpleasing Divertisement it shall not onely excuse but Crowne his Attempt And warrant the Publication above any Licence of an Imprimatur All that on Seneca's behalfe is desired by his Interpreter is this That in those Places where the Reader shall finde him speak like a Stoick and a Roman he would beare with him And for that in others he shall make him a large Requitall teach him to doe like a Christian Farewell SENECA'S ANSWER TO LUCILIUS HIS QVAERE c. PART 1. ARGUMENT To prove there 's Providence were vaine Since it's Effects Wee see so plaine THou asks't of me my Deare Lucilius whence If this World govern'd be by Providence So many Evills should good men befall This would in our works Context where we Prove that a Providence doth all things steare shall And that God's present with us ev'ry where Be fitlier answer'd but since pleas'd thou art That from the Whole I should divide this Part And cleare this seeming Contradiction Letting the rest of the Dispute alone I willingly to this shall condiscend And easily the Gods just Cause defend 'T will seem but needlesse to be here maintain'd That this great Fabrick cannot be sustain'd Without some Guardian or that the set Dance And certaine Motions of the Stars by Chance Are not incited nor distracted run In a wild loose Arietation Or that Heav'ns swift un-interrupted Course Moves b'an eternall Lawes preord'red force Or that that Cause which constant Influence To all things doth in Earth and Seas dispence And those bright Sparkes like Gems in Rings of Gold Wee in their sev'rall Spheares inchac'd behold Is not the Order of some wand'ring Power That if these things to some rash Coiture Had their convention ow'd they had not then With such rare Artifice disposed been That heavy Earth unmoved should behold The flying Heav'ns about her swiftly rowl'd That Seas through Vallies spred moisten the ground That they t' admit increase are never found By that Accesse their Wat'ry Tribute brings From all the In-land Rivers and fresh Springs That from small Seeds such Mightie Bodies grow That none ev'n of these things which have least show Of Certaintie and most confused seeme As Wee Clouds Raine and Thunder-Claps esteeme Fires which with Horror blaze from Mountalnes split Earth-quakes when she seemes shook with a Cold fit And those tumultuous Motions which appeare So often rais'd about this Earthly Spheare Without a reason though they 're thought by some The Births of suddaine violence doe come But have their proper Causes well as those Which Wee 'cause strange Miraculous suppose As Warme Springs are which gellid streames surround And Islands from the Sea new rising found Then if one marke how the retiring Maine The shore discloses and conceales againe He 'le thinke that the distracted Waters run As 't were with a blind volutation In 't one another and againe from thence With a swift Course and furious violence Breake forth and with augmented Streames retreat Unto their wonted Home and Proper Seat When they indeed doe by degrees increase And to a day or houre grow more or lesse As the Moones Influence doth them despose Govern'd by which the Ocean ebbs and flowes But these Wee leave untill their due Time since Thou doubt'st not but complaint'st of Providence I 'le reconcile thee to the Gods above Who best unto the Best of M●rtalls prove For ev'n by Natur 's lawes it is withstood That good things should prove hurtfull to the Good 'Twixt God and Good men there 's a friendship layd Still Firme by virtu 's Mediation made Did I say Friendship An inforcive Tye Or likenesse rather and a Sympathie Since a Good man differs from God alone In time his amulous Scholler and his owne Legittimate Issue whom that Royall Sire Who virtuous Acts severely doth require As