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A01041 A defence of the lavvful calling of the ministers of reformed churches, against the cavillations of Romanists Whereto is subioined, an epistle to a recusant, for clearing and maintaining some points of the former treatise of defence, challenged by a Roman Elymas Bar-Iesus-it. With a short discovery of the adversarie his dottage in his impertinent and rediculously deceitfull demands. By Patrik Forbes, of Coirse. Forbes, Patrick, 1564-1635. 1614 (1614) STC 11146; ESTC S114324 93,515 180

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hee hath not openlie avowed and professed next if hee hath not professed all the substantiall points which wee holde Thirdly if we advow not and byde at al whatsoever they have written in all and any point of Religion Sweet indeed and sounde hearted disputers By this law laide downe to vs by these aequitable men not only shall they serve vs for no witnesses who through ignorance or infirmitie or common errour in the tyme have impinged perhaps in some points but even their silence or want of a remaining record behinde them in anie one point professed by vs shall get them casten But which before I have shewed as all evills did not arise at once neither at firste to such degree as where fore men would be soone caried to open contestation so albeit in a common vse and prevayling practise yet before any tyrannicall yoake was imposed on consciences by inforcing lawes while a libertie was left to men of holding them selves pure and keeping the name of GOD they were loath with evident hazard to contende against evill so subtillie insinuated and by pretence of Propheticall authoritie so arrogantly advaunced A weaknes I confesse in them but such as the holy Ghost hath clearely foretolde vs should befall even his true and faithfull Church dwelling where Sathan his throne was And which the more the mysterie of iniquitie wrought on was the lesse wonderfull in regarde of the tyrānicall vsurpation wherby no libertie was left without certaine peril of anie open opposition or if of open profession yet not of publishing in writte or if of this yet not of preserving any recorde thereof to the posteritie Now besides this what marvaill in such a common apostasie and ecclipse of all true light though even these good and godly men who both mourned for it and in the middes of it keeped the name of God holding the substantiall foundation of salvation were some what tainted in many thinges with the contagion of the tyme Whither that thorough defect of knowledge they were imprudentlie miscaried in some points or rather through defect of courage they tolerated what otherwayes they would never have approoved Whose weaknes heerein albeit the holy Ghost taxeth yet hath hee indulgently covered it vnder the lappe of his garment Augustin whyle some tolerable estate of a Church still remayned yet heavilie regraiteth that even in his time the Church of God which her Lord will have to bee free was so burdened with multitude of superfluous and superstitious ceremonies as the state of the Iewes vnder their Pedagogie was more tolerable In the succeeding ages the evill had so farre waxed as in consideration of the great corruption Gregorie the first Bishop of Rome did not sticke to affirme and truely that Antichristus qui appellationem sibi vindicabit vniversalis Episcopi even pro foribus est and that quod dici nefas est Sacerdotum exercitus paratus est ad a●●ectandum eum Bernard whose groanes and lamentations did meete almost with the height of Antichristian vsurpation albeit for such a measure both of learning and holynes as was rare in so corrupt a tyme hee was so reverend as gave him more freedom of taxing common corruption then would have been tolerated in an other yet by his timerous stile he sheweth clearly that as evils were mounted to a great height so was any liberty of rebuke extreemly dangerous To the Bishop of Rome he writeth thus inter haec tu pastor procedis multo precioso circūdatus auro Si auderē dicere daemonum magis quā ovium pascua haec Scilicet sic factitabat Petrus sic Paulus ludebat mur mur loquor quarinicniam omniū Ecclesiarum And facitis hoc quiae potestis sed vtrum debeatis quaestio est And that no man thinke he taxeth the particular vices of one man these are also his wordes à te tamen mos iste vel patias 〈◊〉 non venit ●●inam in te def●●at Consider I pray you how timerouslie even the most free speaker in his tyme steppeth to talke of that which albeit it was 〈◊〉 quatimonia 〈◊〉 ecclesiarum yet is he faine to vse this preface Si anderem dicere and vtrum debeatis quaestio est And yet least even thus hee should have too much irritated he behooved to sweetten his harde speaches with this syrope àte tames mosiste non venit Soone after these times men begā not only to see the Bishop of Rome a corrupted Bishop but also to suspect him a Traitour and not so much look that by him any reformatiō should come as to dispaire that he could be cured till at last the eyes of some through the little booke sweetly swallowed and reid applied were opened to see him and confidently to cal him the beast of the Dragon his throne and authority The adversarie forecasting with him selfe what in this case we might be able to alledge against him hath tymouslie in his demaunds builded to him selfe backdores whereby if we would shew murmur querimoniā omnium ecclesiarum he shal start out at the postern of opē profession and that of all substantial points If we bring Gregory or Bernard or other such then some particular defectes of these godly mē which both the Lord hath mercifully passed by and we also would charitably cover are narrowlie sitted out cast in our teeth to deprive vs of al their good so as except by his forlaid rule wee advow and byd at all whatsoever they have written they must stande vs for no witnesses But herein a needles fear hath made my adversarie vnnecessarily to bewray himself how small either cōfidence or good conscience he hath in the matter which he maintaineth For I was never purposed to dally with him in this kind or to be drawen deceitfully by him from sure solid groūds to divert foolishly to so wyde and vain a field of endles altercatiō We know assuredly that God alwayes had a number who keeped his name and leived his life not only in the Primitive most pure times while the woman was yet cloathed with the Sun Revel 12. and even thereafter also when corruption came on in such degrees as the third of al green thing in earth the third of the sea things therein the third of fountaines and rivers the third of Sun Moone starres day night was smitten Neither only now againe in the reviving light of the Gospell since the first of three Angels break out through the midds of heaven with the euerlasting gospel Revel 14. whereby the Sun by degrees wresting out frō vnder that darknes hath now at last lightened al the earth with the glorie thereof but that evē in those mid and most miserable times wherein Sūne and aire were totally eclipsed by the smoake of the bottomles pitt and all the earth followed the beast yet still also God had a number sealed and that howsoever in cōmon they were so farr either in simplicitie
of Christ but an inward traytour deceaving by the ensigne and that so cunninglie and covertlie as a long time not only his characterized ones who only of his favoures are partakers both of his treason and endles iudgement but also many simple sheepe deceaved by the semblance of the Lambe his hornes and in singlenes of heart following the ensigne were made so to follow him and to receave his name albeit they receaved never his character nor learned the deeepnes of Satan and many also who never either receaved character or name yet lurking within him and shrouded vnder the common ensigne of profession receaved the number of his name that is were numbred and counted to be his albeit in effect they were none of his either by acceptation of character or name For hee treading downe the holy Citie Court of the Temple that is domining and ruling in the visible church and along time ouerthrowing therein all true worshippe as did Iezabel in Israel 42. monethes or three yeares and a halfe Antiochus Epiphanes in Ierusalem the same space all which time of his vsurpation the true church within his compas continuallie lurking as the Temple within the Citie and Court No other possible accesse could bee to the Temple the true Church but through the Citie and Court the visible Church wherein Antichrist sitting that is Domining all Christians behooved of necessitie to ioine to that body where was the common ensigne which howsoever or by whomsoever caried yet it was ever oportunum inquirendi exordium convenient entrie to inquire by and so alwayes many comming thither and spying the pollution of the Citie and court of the Temple they stepped in to the Temple where continually therefore in a close and deepe wisdome that case is numbred by dayes al the time of Antichrist his most absolut prevayling was the true church and true and faithfull Ministers of grace and light and albeit few and long lurking in heavines yet powerfully dispensing light and grace free from open and barbarous persecution till the little booke opened and obtained out of the hand of the great Angell and greedilie and sweetlie swallowed inabled and stirred them by the right measuring reed to examine the church and thereby to finde that citie and court were to bee cast out whereat the beast Antichrist highly chaffed murthereth first even with applause those true Ministers But God still stirring vp others in the same spirit at last a visible separation is made not from the Church as our adversaries vainlie pratle but from Antichrist and the long covered traitour in the church So as then truth and true professours within the church onely of the church but long borne down and lurking through prevailing errour at length begun to becom visible to the terrour and astonishment of their adversaries and to obtain and beare sway by the discoverie fall of Antichrist Whose sacrilegious impietie having come to such height as it could no longer bee covered or borne it was then said to the revived witnesses Come vp hither and their enemies saw them and were afrayde that is the long lurking afflicted and at last murthered ones become visible even to their enemies who first imagined none such to bee and next that they could bee no more and to their griefe and terrour are seene and knowen to beare away the title of the true Church in that place as through all that Prophecie signified by the name of heaven in opposition to the earth and earthlie ones Wee have not only stronge and invincible argumentes but even therewith such cleare foretolde storie of all the ryfinge grouth doctrine dealing and fall of Antichrist And of the continuall manner of God his gracious dispensation towardes his true Church lurking vnder him afflicted by him and victorious over him as that wherein our adversaries glorie most turneth most to their shame and that wherewith they most reproache our Church speaketh stronglie for vs. And the Lorde his wise providence for preserving thus his Church in the middes of Antichristian vsurpation while he appeared to possesse all was wonderfull in that even in time of greatest corruption yet a sure accesse and free way was still reserved and kept thorough the Citie and Court to the Temple the Sacrament of Baptisme in substance remayning and the doctrine of the Trinitie beeing kept sounde 8. Wee are so farre from denying to Antichrist a place yea and an ordinarie calling in the Church that wee affirme constantlie that so it must have beene And that not onely hee behooved to bee in it but also Sit that is beare rule therein But so wee grant him to bee in it as yet hee is none of it more then a boile or apostume in the body is a member of the body so wee grant him to have had rule and ordinarie calling in the Church as had these Husband-men to whom indeed the Vineyard was set but they murthered the heire such an ordinarie builder wee confesse him to bee as reiecteth that stone which yet in despyte of him becommeth head of the corner Wee yeeld him the ordinarie vocation of a Pastour but that hee is a wolfe to have beene sometime a starre of heaven and minister of light and of the keyes of the kingdome but to have fallen to the earth to have changed the keyes of heaven in those of the bottomlesse pit and to have become the minister of darknes whereby hee hath darkened Sunne Moone and Aire Sathan having bene once by Michael his valour so powerfullie cast downe from heaven had never againe bene able by the beast of his authoritie to erect his throne even in the Temple of God if hee had not pretended the Lambe his hornes neither had hee ever bene able to sende out our Sampson his ridle if hee had not plowed with his heifer Now then seeing that Antichrist of an order succession of degenerating Pastours and that not at once but slowlie and by degrees hath slylie arissen to that height of impietie as a beast rising out of the earth Sensim imperare incipiebat religio habenas imperij capere ius suum acquirere nibil subitum nihil tumultuarium sayth their owne parasite Steuchus And seeing that alwayes before his discoverie the pretence of the common ensigne carried him out and that there-through many true both Pastours and Professours receaving his name or his number but not his character did come in singlenes to the cōmon ensigne not properlie to him seeing that albeit he was a Wolf yet before it was said to the revived witnesses Come vp hither he brooked stil the place of an ordinarie Pastour and seeing that outward ordination and all the action of the ministers thereof serveth but for outward order all inward gift grace power and vertue comming from God the author of the calling what absurditie is it that a good Pastor receave ordination of a