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A84808 Saul's errand to Damascus: with his packet of letters from the high-priests, against the disciples of the Lord. Or, A faithful transcript of a petition contrived by some persons in Lancanshire, who call themselves ministers of the gospel, breathing out threatnings and slaughters against a peaceable & godly people there, by them nick-named Quakers. Together with the defence of the persons thereby traduced, against the slanderous and false suggestions of that petition, and other untruths charged upon them. Published to no other end, but to draw out the bowels of tender compassion from all that love the poor despised servants of Jesus Christ, who have been the scorn of carnal men in all ages. Fox, George, 1624-1691.; Lawson, John, of Lancaster. 1653 (1653) Wing F1894; Thomason E689_17; ESTC R206937 30,408 48

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Heaven or Hell but through death the wicked shall be turned into hell and all them that forget God there to be tormented there is a hell thou shalt finde it Heaven is Gods Throne and heavenly notions within shall be shaken for God is pure and nothing that is unclean shall stand before him and he hath said he will dwell in man Qu. Whether the ministration of the Ministery by man is to continue till the end or not Answ The ministration of the world is the Ministery of man and doth not lead to an end but keeps in time and that must have an end for it is not of God The Ministery of God is to draw people up to himself but that is not of man nor by man nor according to man for Paul was made a Minister according to the will of God who had not received it of man neither was it taught him of man and was a Minister of the Spirit but the Ministers of the world receive their learning at Oxford and Cambridge and are taught of men and speak a divination of their own brain which is conjuring and bewitch the people with those things which are carnal as to sprinkle Infants and tell them of a Sacrament which there is no Scripture for and saying they are the Ministers of Christ and act those things which he forbids as to have the chiefest place in the Assemblies the uppermost room at feasts the greetings in markets and to be called of men Masters and with pretence make long prayers which Christ forbids and profess and say they are the Ministers of Christ wherein they shew themselves to be Antichrists And see if thou do not uphold these Antichrists and say they are the Ministers of Christ Qu. Whether the written Word I mean the Scriptures be the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes or not Answ The written Word is not the power of God nor the Scriptures are not the salvation but he that doth believe hath the life of them Who is born of God shall never die as it is written he that believeth is born of God and he that is born of God hath the witness in himself that God is the cause of mans salvation and not the Scripture nor the Letter James Nayler's Answer and Declaration touching some things charged upon him by the men aforesaid HAving heard of divers untruths cast upon me by some of the Priests in their high places though I stand only to the Lord in respect of my self yet lest any that love the truth should be led on by these false reports to speak evil of these things they know not I shall lay open the truth as it is revealed in me touching those things whereof I have been falsly accused Jude 1● First Concerning Jesus Christ That he is the eternal Word of God Revel 19.13 1 Joh. 1.2 3 4 5. Joh. 1.14 by whom all things were made and are upholden which were before all time but manifested to the world in time for the recovery of lost man Which Word became flesh and dwelt amongst the Saints who is the same yesterday to day and for ever who did and doth dwell in the Saints who suffered and rose again and ascended into heaven and is set at the right hand of God Eph. 1.20 to whom all power is given in heaven and in earth who filleth all places is the light of the world but known to none but to those that receive and follow him Joh. 8.12 and those he leads up to God out of all the Wayes Works and Worships of the world by his pure light in them 2 Thes 2.8 whereby he reveals the man of sin and by his power casts him out and so prepares the bodies of the Saints a fit Temple for the pure God to dwel in with whom dwels no unclean thing and thus he reconciles God and man and the image of God 1 Cor. 3.16 17. which is in purity and holiness is renewed and the image of Satan which is all sin and uncleanness is defaced and none can witness Redemption 2 Cor. 5.18 19. Col. 3.10 further then Christ is thus revealed in them to set them free from sin which Christ I witness to be revealed in me in measure Gal. 1.16 2 Cor. 13.5 Colos 1.27 2. 2 Pet. 1.20 21. Concerning the Scriptures That they are a true Declaration of that Word which was in them that spoke them forth and are of no private interpretation but were given forth to be read and fulfilled in the Saints Rev. 22.18 as they were given forth by the Holy Ghost without adding or diminishing and were not given forth for men to make a Trade on to get mony by but as they are they are profitable for Doctrine 2 Tim 3.16 17. for Reproof for Correction for Instruction in righteonsness that the man of God may be perfect thorowly furnished unto every good work But they who trade in the Letter and are ignorant of the Mystery deny all perfection and none can rightly understand the Scriptures but they who read them with the same Spirit that gave them forth 1 Cor. 2.14 15. for the natural man understands not the things of God for they are spiritually discerned 3. Concerning Baptism The true Baptism is that of the Spirit with the Holy Ghost and with fire Baptized by one Spirit into one Body not the washing away the filth of the flesh but the answer of a good conscience towards God by the resurrection of Jesus Christ Acts 1.5 without which no other Baptism can save us Gal. 3.27 they being but figures or shadows but this Baptism of Christ is the substance whereby we are Baptized into his death and those that are baptized into Christ have put on Christ 4. Concerning the Lords Supper Matth. 26.26 28. Joh. 6.51 53 54 55 56. 1 Cor. 11.24 25. Col. 2.10 The true Supper of the Lord is the Spiritual eating and drinking of the flesh and blood of Christ Spiritually which the Spiritual man only eateth and is thereby nourished up unto eternal life without which eating there can be no life in the creature profess what you will And all who eat of this bread and drink of this cup have real communion in Christ the head and also one with another as members and are of one heart and one minde a compleat body in Christ Now the world who take only the outward signes 1 Cor. 11.27 28 29. and are not brought in discerning of the Lords body eat and drink damnation to themselves and become guilty of the body and blood of Christ and calls this a Communion but lives in envy strife and debate fighting and going to Law one with another for earthly things 5. Concerning the Resurrection Joh. 5.29 That all shall arise to give an account and receive at the last day according to their works 1 Cor. 15.38 1 Cor. 15.42 43 44. whether good or evil
cause of thy coming into these parts James If I may have liberty I shall declare it I was at the plow meditating on the things of God and suddenly I heard a voice saying unto me Get thee out from thy Kindred and from thy Fathers house and I had a promise given in with it Whereupon I did exceedingly rejoyce that I had heard the voyce of that God which I had professed from a Child but had never known him Col. Brigs Didst thou hear that voice Jam. Yea I did hear it and when I came at home I gave up my Estate cast out my mony but not being obedient in going forth the wrath of God was upon me so that I was made a wonder to all and none thought I would have lived but after I was made willing I began to make some preparation as apparel and other necessaries not knowing whither I should go But shortly afterward going agateward with a friend from my owne house having on an old Suit without any money having neither taken leave of wife or children not thinking then of any journey I was commanded to go into the West not knowing whither I should go nor what I was to do there but when I had been there a little while I had given me what I was to declare and ever since I have remained not knowing to day what I was to do to morrow Col. Brigs What was the Promise thou had'st given Iames. That God would be with me which promise I finde made good every day Col. Brigs I never heard such a call as this is in our time James I believe thee Just Pears Is Christ in thee James I witness him in me and if I should deny him before men he would deny me before my Father which is in heaven Just Pears Spiritual you mean Iam. Yea Spiritual Just Pears By faith or how Jam. By Faith Just Pears What difference then between the Ministers and you Jam. The Ministers affirm Christ to be in heaven with a Carnal body but I with a Spiritual body Just Pears Which of the Ministers say Christ is in heaven with a Carnal body Iam. The Minister so called of Kirkby-Steven Priest Higginson stood up and affirmed it again openly before all the Court. Iames. If Christ be in heaven with a Carnal body and the Saints with a Spiritual body it is not proportionable neither was that a carnal body which appeared among the Disciples the doors being shut and appeared in divers shapes Quest Was Christ man or no Iames. Yea he was and took upon him the seed of Abraham and was real flesh and bone but is a Mystery not known to the carnal man for he is begotten of the immortal seed and those that know him know him to be Spiritual for it was the Word that became flesh and dwelt amongst us and if he had not been Spiritual he had not wrought my Redemption Just Pears Is Christ in thee as man Iames. Christ filleth all places and is not divided separate God and man and he is no more Christ Just Pears If we stand to dispute these things we should have the Ministers James Perceiving Priest Higginson offended because he had told of his saying that Christ was in heaven with a carnal body James said Friend I had not accused thee had I not been asked what was the difference between the Ministers and me for I am not come to accuse any for I am against accusations Col. Brigs Wast thou not of a Kirk about Sawrby James I was a member of an Independant Church at Weedchurch Col. Brigs Wast thou not excommunicated for thy blasphemous Opinions James I know not what they have done since I came forth but before I was not to my knowledge Col. Brigs called of Mr. Coale saying Did you ere hear such a call as this did you hear it Coale Yea I heard part of it Col. Brigs Didst not thou write a paper wherein was mentioned that if thou thinkest to be saved by that Christ which dyed at Jerusalem thou art deceived James If I cannot witness Christ nearer then Jerusalem I shall have no benefit by him but I owne no other Christ but that who witnessed a good confession before Pontius Pilate which Christ I witness suffering in me now Col. Brigs Wilt thou deny thy hand James I will not deny my hand if I may see it and I desire that I may have so much favour that that paper may be kept as an evidence either with or against me A large Petition being read wherein was something against quaking and trembling Just Pears How comes it to pass that people quaks and tremble James The Scriptures witness the same condition in the Saints formerly as David Daniel Habakkuk and divers others Just Pears Did they fall down James Yea some of them did so Coale David said all his bones were broken but they were whole James So are these now Coal Moses trembled for he saw the face of God and all Israel James Did all Israel see the face of God that crosseth the Scriptures Coale They saw his glory I shall see the Lord with these eyes putting his fingers to his eyes James They must first be made spiritual he cannot be seen with carnal eyes for he is a Spirit and no flesh can see God and live Coale That light by which I am justified is a created light James That light by which I am justified is not a created light Coale That is true Just Pears To the Word What say'st thou to the Scriptures are they the Word of God Jam. They are a true Declaration of the Word that was in them who spoke them forth Higginson Is there not a written Word Jam. Where readest thou in thy Scriptures of a written word The word is spiritual not seen with carnal eyes but as for the Scriptures they are true and I witness them true in measure fulfilled in me as far as I am grown up Just Pears Why dost thou disturb the Ministers in their publick worships Jam. I have not disturbed them in their publick worships Just Pears Why dost thou speak against Tythes which are allowed by the States Iam. I meddle not with the States I speak against them that are hirelings as they are hirelings those that were sent of Christ never took Tythes nor ever sued any for wages Just Pears Dost thou think we are so beggerly as the Heathens that we cannot afford our Ministers maintenance We give them it freely Iam. They are the Ministers of Christ who abide in the doctrine of Christ Just Pears But who shall judg how shall we know them Jam. By their fruits you shall know them they that abide not in the Doctrine of Christ make it appear they are not the Ministers of Christ Just Pears That is true Accusations against Jo Lawson by him answered THat Joh Lawson of Lancaster did affirme December the fourth 1652. Object That he was dead and rose againe Answ Thou art a witness against him that is risen