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A69592 An apologie concerning perfection being a fundamentall answer and reply upon Esaiah Stiefel his exposition of four texts of the Holy Scripture written in the year 1622 ... / by Jacob Behme, also called Teutonicus philosophus ; Englished by John Sparrow.; Vom Irrthum der Secten Esaiae Stiefels und Ezechiel Meths. English Böhme, Jakob, 1575-1624.; Sparrow, John, 1615-1665? 1661 (1661) Wing B3415; ESTC R14771 119,599 158

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in Christs death and put on HIS Resurrection out of the GRAVE That the Man which dyeth according to Flesh in the Limit which God hath set or appointed viz at the Last DAY should ARISE out of Christs Death 79. He hath given us his Death and Buriall for a REST where the OUTWARD Body resteth from the working of vanity as in a meek soft Sleep 80. But what this Authour sets down concerning the opposition of the totall fleshly Man that the Earthly Man which he calleth the Serpents Seed despiseth contemneth derideth and persecuteth Christ in his Members and continually crucifieth and putteth them to death together with Christ that is so and cannot otherwise be 81. For when Christ is become born then the Man of Sinne in his self-hood MUST dye the Faithfull Man becometh himself an Enemy of his own Sinnes in the Flesh the Faithfull Man according to the Heavenly Substance is indeed yea undeniably the Bride of CHRIST in whom Christ dwelleth that I contradict not 82. But that this Authour sets it down that Christ was born a poor despised Infant in the highest Lowlinesse out of MARY and yet was equall in the Height of the Triune God and LORD there he should better explain it and shew wherein he is the Triune God and LORD 83. Not according to the Creature viz according to our Flesh and Soul which is Eternally under or beneath God but according to his Divine and according to the Heavenly Substantiality and Corporeity wherewith he came from Heaven and took our Substance upon him 84. The divine Substance is unmeasurable BOTH according to Spirit and Corporeall Substance but our humane Substance is measurable to our humane Substance the Power or Authority is given but to the divine nothing CAN be given 85. God will judge the humanity through the voyce of the humanity of Christ so that the humanity of Christ according to our humanity is the Instrument to do it with Not that our humanity in Christs Person and Creature hath the power or authority out of it self 86. It is a given power or authority from the Father As Christ himselfe saith ALL Power or Authority in Heaven and upon Earth is given me of my Father Matth 28. Not to the self-hood of the Creature that the Creature is as Omnipotent and self powerfull as GOD but that the CREATURE is the Instrument whereby the Spirit of God will Judge and separate ALL things 87. The Spirit of the Holy Trinity IN the Creature is the will and the Creature is the Instrument of performance as through a cleer visible open Image and Substance seeing God hath manifested himself through the Creature therefore through the Creature also he produceth a Manifested or revealed authority or power and Dominion 18. As an Artist fitteth an Instrument of Musick and himself strikes or playes upon it that it may sound and give melody to him SUCH as he would sain HEAR Thus also in like manner the Creature is Gods Instrument upon which God striketh or playeth and hath introduced his own sound out of the divine voyce into this Creaturely Lute which soundeth and Melodizeth to him 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 will 89. This Lute doth not play upon it self for CHRIST saith also All whatsoever the Sonne seeth the Father do that the Sonne doth also And the word which I speak to you is not mine but the Fathers who dwelleth in me Also I and the Father are One but the Father is greater than I. 90. The Father is the Eternall Beginning and the Sonne is the Eternall Begun viz the Manifestation of that Spirit which is called Father and the Holy Spirit is that which the Father through the Sonne Manifesteth with the Eternall outspoken wisdome out of the sound which the Father with the Sonne Generateth 91. The Sonne is the Fathers sound or word and the Creature is the cleer or Loud manifested word through which the Father in the Eternall Generating of his holy word soundeth or speaketh 〈◊〉 hear the Creature viz the voyce of the Person CHRIST then I hear what the Father in his holy sound in the exit of his Holy Spirit manifesteth and expresseth in and with the Creature 92. Here it is not called beloved Woman or Wife with or as to the Creature but Gods Image Gods Manifestation Gods manifest Dominion Gods own Doing or self-acting viz the invisible and incomprehensible acting through a visible comprehensible image and Substance of his own propriety 93. For without God there is Nothing HE alone is ALL but all whatsoever is perceptible or comprehensible that is only an Image of the Invisible Divine Substance wherewith the Invisible hath Manifested or revealed it self 94. Therefore the Creature should NOT say of it self that it self is any thing but introduce its ability into THAT out of which it is originated that it may be the Omniscient Gods work and play or Melody in his Love that it may do what he will and SO God be ALL in ALL. 95. And if God will do any thing through his Creature and manifest his will then speaketh not the Creature from or of it self but saith Thus saith the LORD thus hath the Lord spoken this is the Command of the Lord and not esteem it self at all to be the speaking Word or divine Sound also not say with this outward Body that the outward Body is espoused with Gods Holinesse as this Authour sets it down 96. The inward Man is indeed together with or in Gods Harmony through which God soundeth and Singeth and is a Wedding-Place or City of God but all whatsoever is Creaturely is tinder or beneath that which hath made the Creature The Creature is Gods Artifice or workmanship which he hath made through his wisdome for it is the Nature it standeth in the Principle viz in a Beginning but God standeth in NONE God is without all Beginning his desire maketh Beginning 97. But what this Authour saith concerning the woman of Faithfull Flesh and Bloud is not spoken plain enough to be understood For Flesh and Bloud beleeveth not but the Spirit Flesh and Bloud is a House of the Spirit 98. And what he also setteth down concerning the Man CHRIST who is in the Marriage with the Woman cannot at all be spoken of the outward Flesh and Bloud of this Life time for Christ is himself the Woman and the Man God and Man 99. Of the Inward Man it may WELL be spoken that is in the Marriage with Christ but the Outward is in the Marriage with the Outward World and with the vanity and Sinne as also with Death and Corruptibility weaknesse sicknesse and Misery THAT is called Eve and not the Marriage City of God in Gods holinesse as this Authour saith it is 100. But a waste Tabernacle wherein the Spirit is perished understand the Outward Spirit which dwelleth in Flesh and Bloud not that we would or should DESPISE the Spirit viz the Soul of the Great
passe from me and he prayed to God so that he sweat a bloudy sweat 4. Also when he would do Wonders or Miracles and Signes then he prayed his Father to hear him as may be seen by his raising Lazarus from Death Moreover it is written also that God will give his honour to no other Also I only am the LORD and GOD Also God is one only God and none Else 5. Therefore his Title and Introduction to the Person for whom he sets forth the Explanation is instantly very Erroneous and he will answer in the Perfect power of the Omniscience in and out of the Holy Trinity and esteemeth himself like God in every thing or substance and sets himself up as if he were God himself 6. He will in Christ with his totall humane substance outwardly and inwardly in all Saints be and know that which no Creature can know or do or be but the Spirit of God only which IN Every Man bloweth up the knowledge and imparteth to every one his own measure according to his gifts as be will not as the Creature willeth 7. But this man saith He will answer out of Christ out of his Eternall Wisdome out of the Heart and Mouth of God out of the holy Trinity 8. And though he had a divine command for it which a Man may very well doubt of and come to us in an Angelical Embassie yet he could NOT speak to us out of the Manifested or revealed sound or voyce of the Holy Trinity out of Christs self-subsisting Person but out of his Creature in divine Power through the Creaturely and humane Property in that kind as all men from the beginning of the world to this time have spoken 9. And though Men may with truth say that Gods Spirit speaketh through the Humane sound yet men should give the honour to God and not ascribe it to himself For it is written God will not give his honour to another he hath given it to his Son JESUS CHRIST to whom alone he hath given the holy Spirit in the Eternall Word without Measure and to no other 10. Whence Christ saith Matth 28. All power in Heaven and on Earth is given to me of my Father which no other Man while he liveth in this world dare say concerning his creaturely Humanity that he hath all power in Heaven and on Earth but only this JESUS whose out-going hath proceeded from Eternity 11. Also this JESUS CHRIST said when he would depart from us If any shall come and say he is Christ that we should not beleeve it and prophesied to us that Many false Christs and Prophets would arise after him of whom we should beware 12. Therefore it is very suspicious to us that this man will of himself speak out of the Heart and Mouth of the Holy Trinity for the Creature should humble himself before God and by no means say that he is God himself but a created work and Image of his Likenesse with whom God may do what he will 13. Further He speaketh of the Originall and Creation of Man so wonderfully that he cannot shew it in the Holy Scripture nor in the Light of Nature and there belongeth clean another Explanation to it 14. Yes he speaketh also of Christ so strangly that in briefe it appeareth to be no sufficient intelligible Explanation he saith CHRIST is from Eternity the expresse Image of God in the Divine Mother of his Love generated or born out of the voyce of the holy Trinity and so maketh a difference between the first born before all Creatures and the Holy Trinity and yet will have him also dwelling in the Holy Trinity 15. So he makes very wonderfully FOUR Persons as it should seem in the Deity as if the holy Trinity had from Eternity generated in it self some other Similitude and Image in which birth or geniture he also will have the Humane Originall from Eternity and so wonderfully blendeth one thing with another that a Man can not understand what God is and what Creature is 16. He saith God hath Created all Heavenly and Earthly Creatures in that first begotten or born Sonne of God and begotten the Sonne out of the Greatest Substance even to the least from Eternity out of God he understandeth thereby out of the Holy Trinity 17. And maketh all things one in another as a whirling Wheele so that a Man cannot understand out of what the Creaturely Originall is seeing he concludeth all without distinction in Christ and so setteth the Name of CHRIST as proceeding from Eternity 18. And saith that God hath brought forth all things in Christ and then he must also have brought forth all Evill venomous poysonous Worms and Beasts in Christ as also Darknesse and the hellish quality source or Torment and all whatsoever liveth in such a property 19. John saith in the first Chapter At the Beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and God was the Word the same was in the beginning with God through that he hath made all things that were made and without it was nothing made that was made John saith God was the Word and in him was the Life of Men. 20. He saith NOT At the Beginning was CHRIST but the Word that very Word became Man in the Virgin Mary that was Christ which quenched the Anger of his Eternall Father in the humane property through the Christ and the Crusher or bruiser of the Serpent and destroyed the Devills Den of Robbery in the humane property 21. When the Angel Gabriel came to Mary and brought her the Message That she should be impregnate and bear a Sonne whose Name she should call JESVS whose out-going is from Eternity to whom God the Father will give the Throne of his Father David 22. He saith NOT there whose Name you shall call JESUS CHRIST but only JESUS whose beginning and Exit is from Eternity but the Name CHRIST existed in the JESUS when he possessed the Throne of his Father David and brake the Head of the Serpent and shed his Heavenly Bloud into the Fathers Anger and quenched the same in the humane property with divine Love 23. There he obtained the Name CHRIST as a Healer of the Soar or the Anoynted of God a breaker through Death a victorious Prince over Hell Death and the Devill 24. No Creature is Created or made in the CHRIST but he in the Regeneratour of the humane property he bringeth the humane Life out of Death and generateth that in CHRIST through the Name JESUS in the divine Power anew and to be the Child of God 25. For CHRIST is the Mother of the Regeneration and not the Creatour of All things in which all things lye inclosed 26. The CHRIST is become Man but the JESUS in the CHRIST is the Creatour of all things 27. The CHRIST saith To ME is given all power both in Heaven and on Earth he saith not from Eternity God
the Father hath given the power to CHRIST through the JESUS for he to whom a thing is given hath not had it from Eternity nor made it himself but he that hath himself made a thing to him it can not be given 28. Hath CHRIST made all things in himself understand in the CHRIST and out of himself then nothing can be given to him but he hath had it from Eternity and there is no giving 29. But he saith all power was given to him of his Father Now if the power be given of the Father to this Sonne viz to this CHRIST then must a Man think that the power that is given originateth in the Fathers Will. 30. For that which is given was not from eternity like or equall with the Gift in the Giver Indeed the Dear Name JESUS had it from Eternity for he had an Eternall Originall in the Eternall Ever speaking Word 31. He is the Name of the First-Born of the Father from Eternity whose out-going and beginning is from Eternity as the Angel said to Mary which Name in the Word which Created all things and generated all things in Mary in the Humane and Divine Essence and Substance became Flesh both a Heavenly and Humane Flesh which dwelleth both in Heaven and on Earth at once Joh. 3. 32. Which in the holy Trinity was from Eternity the Second Person of the Divine Substance and Eternally generated of his Father also in Eternity also still in CHRIST becometh ever and eternally generated of his Father 33. Not that CHRIST becometh continually generated that is once become generated in Man but the Eternall Word in CHRIST becometh from Eternity in Eternity ever generated from the Father 34. For CHRIST said to Philip Dost thou not beleeve that the Father is in Me and that I am in the Father for the Words which I speak are not Mine but the Fathers that dwelleth in Me. 35. They were not Christs Words but the Fathers viz the Fathers Sound and Eternall Voyce which had manifested it self in the Humanity Therefore said the Humanity the Words are Not Mine but the Fathers Words wherein and wherewith he hath assumed the Humanity 36. The Humanity is Eternally under the Deity in the assumed humanity in THAT the Word became Flesh the Name Christus or CHRIST originateth as a Saviour of the Flesh and of the Soul and not out of the humane fleshly property but out of the Name JESUS in the Word of the Father of all things or Substances 37. Now if I will speak of the Holy Trinity then I say not That the Divine Love is an Exgenerated Substance and a Mother of God or a Woman or Wife of God as this Authour Conceiteth as if the first begotten which he calleth CHRIST were generated out of the Mother of his Voyce and Love 38. The Eternall Word or the first begotten out of the Father from Eternity is it self the generating of the Love for from him and the Father goeth forth the Holy Spirit 39. The Eternall Wisdome is the Out-generated or out-spoken Substance as a Looking-Glasse and Ornament of the Holy Trinity in which the Power Colours and vertues of the Deity become Manifest and in which the Spirit of God hath seen ALL things from Eternity 40. Both according to the Fathers Property in which he calleth himself an Angry Zealous or Jealous God and a Consuming Fire in which Property is generated the Darknesse and source or quality of pain or Torment as also Nature and all Spirits and all whatsoever liveth in the Sulphur and Mercury both according to the Eternall Spirits and according to the Temporary Spirits 41. And then according to his Love and the Property of the Eternall Light according to which Property the Name GOTT God viz the GUTE or Good Originateth from Eternity in which the Name JESUS Originateth from the Eternall Light viz from the Creatour of the Humility or of the well-willing in it self as the Meeknesse of the Light Originateth in the Fire and bringeth along with it another Will of another quality then the Fire according to which God Calleth himself a Mercifull and Good Munificent God 42. Thus the Name JESUS is the first Eternall Originall to Gods Mercifulnesse Therefore saith Saint Paul We were foreseen or Elected in CHRIST JESVS before the Foundation of the World was laid For in the Fathers Anger was the Fall known and in the Name JESUS in his Love was CHRIST as a Redeemer from the Anger known 43. For To God are all his works knowne from Eternity the Good and the Evill The Evill is become known in his Anger the Good in his Love 44. That same Eternall God in Trinity hath Created all things with and through the Eternall Word which is his Mouth and the Sound of his Voyce out of himself out of BOTH Properties out of the Anger as out of the Eternall Nature and then out of the Love as a Healer or Saviour of Nature into Substance 45. Understand God in the Trinity is a Spirit and no Substance But in the Word of his Sound he hath in his Desire introduced it into Substance His desire is the Fiat which originateth in verbo Domini in the Word of the Lord viz an Eternall Desire 46. God in himself is the Eternall Longing Delight of the Liberty free from all things or Substances but with his Desire out of the Longing Delight as out of the Eternall Fires-Property he hath Created all Spirits viz the Angels and Souls of Men In which Fires-Property the Center of the Light in all Angels with the Fire of the Anger stood in Equall Ballance Harmony or Temper 47. For when God once moved himself to the Creation then he moved himself according to ALL whatsoever himself was in all things especially according to the Eternall Wisdome in which the Form of the Creation was seen from Eternity in the Fire and Lights Glance in the Spirit of God according to Love and Anger according to Darknesse and Light 48. The Creation is nothing else but an out-breathing or out-speaking of his Substance Whatsoever GOD is in the Nature of the Fire and then also in the Eternall Liberty of all sources or qualities that hath the Free Longing delight introduced into a Desire and impressed into a Moving Substance 49. The Desire viz the Fiat of all things or Substances Originateth in that the Vnchangeable God viz the Abysse hath once Moved it self in the Eternall Longing Delight where then Time began 50. All Angells and Creatures which are Created to Eternall Life are all of them comprised in the Out-breathing of the Father through the Word in the Desire as in the Moving in the Fiat and in a Model of the Eternall Longing Delight as the Eternall Spirit in the Wisdome hath comprehended it in its wonders become Created into an Image of the Longing Delight and there remained in all things the possibility to Good and Evill according to the whole Divine Property