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A16183	A large examination taken at Lambeth, according to his Maiesties direction, point by point, of M. G. Blakwell, made Arch-priest of England, by Pope Clement 8 Vpon occasion of a certaine answere of his, without the priuitie of the state, to a letter lately sent vnto him from Cardinall Bellarmine, blaming him for taking the oath of Allegeance. Together with the Cardinals letter, and M. Blakwels said answere vnto it. Also M. Blakwels letter to the Romish Catholickes in England, aswell ecclesiasticall, as lay.	Blackwell, George, 1546 or 7-1613.; Bellarmino, Roberto Francesco Romolo, Saint, 1542-1621.	1609 (1609)	STC 3104; ESTC S121306	104,118	220

Blakwell to frame his owne answeres according to his owne minde to offer vnto his further consideration sundry other speeches of his said authors and some others of the like authoritie the same being as pertinent to his purpose as the former by himselfe alledged where they say as followeth 27 That the supreme Iurisdiction temporall Franc. Bozius de temporali Ecclesiae Monarchia lib. 1. cap. 3. fol. 52. Idem lib. 1. cap. 7. fol. 98. throughout all the world doeth belong to S. Peters successors so as one and the same is the Hierarch and Monarch in all things That Christ left the Church to be gouerned by the best forme of gouernment but the best forme of gouernment is the absolute Monarchie euen in all temporall things therefore Christ left his Church so to be gouerned That the keyes of heauen Idem lib. 2. cap. 14. Idem lib. 3. cap. 1 fol. 394. were giuen to Peter therfore of all the earth That the right of dominion and prelation of infidels may iustly by the sentence and ordination of the Church be taken away because Infidels by reason of their infidelitie do deserue to lose their power ouer the faithfull That the Church hath receiued that power ouer Idem ibidem cap. 14 fol. 530. nations which Christ according to his humane nature receiued of the Father but Christ receiued absolutely of the Father all power in temporalibus therefore the Church likewise receiued it by participation of his fulnesse That the supreme power coactiue in all Idem ibidem cap. 16. fol. 537. temporall things belongeth to Ecclesiasticall persons by the diuine lawe reuealed and expressed in the Scriptures That kings anointed with holy oyle are called Idem fol. 676. Idem lib. 5. fol. 823. as vassals of the Church That by reason of the supreme Monarchie in all things temporall lawes may be made by the Church and kingdomes taken away for iust causes 28. That kings and principall Seculars are not immediatly of GOD but by the interposition of holy Tho. B●zius de iure status lib. 1. cap. 6. fol. 37. Idem ibidem fol 52. Idem lib. 3. cap. 5. fol. 277. Church and of her chiefe Bishops That warlike and militarie compulsiue power is giuen to the Church ouer kings and princes That if it be found sometimes that certaine Emperours haue giuen some temporalties to the highest Bishops as Constantine gaue vnto Syluester this is not to bee vnderstood that they gaue any thing which was their owne but restored that which was vntustly and tyrannically taken from the said Bishops That Christ committed to Saint Peter the carrier of the keyes of eternall life the right both of the Idem lib. 4. cap. 1. fol. 319. terrene and celestiall Empire as Pope Nicholas saith from whom we haue it that he is without doubt an hereticke that taketh away the rights of the terrene and celestiall Empire committed by Christ to the Church of Rome and saith it is lawfull so to doe and for that he shall be an hereticke in such his assertions 29 That the Pope is called vniuersall iudge king Isidor Mosc de maiest militant Ecclesiae pag. 27. Idem pag 77. Idem pag. 95. of kings and lord of lords That the Pope is consecrated as the great Priest and crowned as a king because he hath both powers That the Pope doeth vse his power after two sorts either absolutely or ordinarily absolutely when he derogateth from lawes in abolishing them ordinarily when he vseth lawes Whence this rule is giuen that the Pope vseth the Counsell of his Cardinalles when he will liue by his lawes But if hee will vse the plenitude of his power then he disposeth of matters without the Counsell of his Cardinals sith his power is of God and not of the Colledge of Cardinals That not onely all faithfull people but likewise Infidels Idem pag. 96 and euery naturall creature is subiect to the commandement of the Pope he is to bee worshipped of all men and for this cause he receiueth of all the faithfull adorations prostrations and kissings of his feete That Idem pag. 92. vnto the Pope as to the Pastor of the Church and the Bishop of that holy See and by reason of his Dominion and excellencie is giuen adoratio duliae the worship giuen to Images and Saints That the Bishop of Idem pag. 99. Rome in signe of his Empire and kingdome doth vse vpon his head a Regall Diademe and in token of his Priesthood and Pontificall Maiestie a Miter That Idem pag. 677. Emperors and Kings may bee compelled to keepe their oathes taken in their coronation and confirmation in that by vertue of such an oath they are made the Popes subiects 30 That by the law of God and nature the Priesthood doeth ouer-top the Empire and both Iurisdictions Henrie Gandauen apud Carer pag. 128 ouer spiritualties and temporalties and the immediate execution likewise of them both depend vpon the Priesthood both by the law of God and of nature That Antoninus apud Carer pag. 130. they which say the Pope hath dominion ouer all the world in spiritualties but not in temporalties are like the Counsellers of the king of Syria who said The Gods of the mountaines are their gods and therefore they haue ouercome vs let vs fight with them in the plaines and valleyes where their gods dwel not and we shall preuaile against them 3. Reg. 20. That the sonne of God hath declared the altitude of the Ecclesiasticall power being as it Aug. Triumph apud Carer pag. 130. were founded vpon a rocke to be aboue all principalitie and power that vnto it all knees should bee bowed of things in heauen in earth and vnder the earth or in Idem ibidem pag. 132. hell That secular powers were not necessarie but that Princes might performe that through terrour of discipline which the Priest cannot effect by power of doctrine and that therefore if the Church could punish euill men Imperiall and secular principalitie were not necessarie the same being included potentially in the principalitie Apostolicall 31 That there are diuers powers of men giuen by Carer de pot Rom. Pont. pag. 142. God and diuerse authorities all which doe depend vpon the highest authoritie meaning the Popes and thence as the starres from the sunne doe receiue their light That the Imperiall power concerning the administration Idem pag. 145. of temporall matters doeth proceed from the Pontificall power as the light of the Moone doeth from the light of the sunne That as God is the supreme Idem pag. 150. Monarch of the world and the gouernour of all temporalties productiuè gubernatiuè by producing and gouerning them though of himselfe he be not temporall and of the world so it must be confessed that although his Vicar the Pope hath originally and of himselfe the dominion ouer all temporalties yet he hath it not by immediate execution but doeth by his

held by the law of God cum recta fide with a right faith 35 But here it being obiected that although the said oath was framed to meete with the opinion before by him mentioned yet that this his restraining of it thereunto doeth not attaine to that which he knew was intended by it For in his said letter to the Cardinall he doth cite sundry authors which speake of another kinde of authoritie ascribed to the Pope and tending by a nice distinction to this effect that in ordine ad spiritualia in order to things spirituall and indirectly all kings and princes with their kingdomes and countries are subordinate and subiect vnto him insomuch as if he see cause and that kings and princes will not be aduised by him in matters of the Church apperteining to their saluation he may not onely Excommunicate them but proceeding by degrees depose them absolue their subiects from their oathes of Allegeance and rightfully commaund them if neede be to beare armes against them which is as lewd and traiterous an opinion as the former and doeth tend to the same end with it though vnder diuers pretences So as if hee tooke the oath but with relation onely to the first opinion leauing himselfe free as touching the second it was all one as if he had not taken it at all and therefore being pressed to cleare this point he answereth as hereafter followeth 36 First he doth acknowledge the obiection to be very pertinent and rightly collected out of his letter confessing this second opinion not to come behinde the first either for the earnestnesse of those that defend it or for their learning and sufficiencie being such indeede as doe in credite farre ouersway the estimation of their opposites Cardinall Bellarmine himselfe hath laboured much in it and these authors following doe ioyne with him in that point Henricus Iohannes Driedo Iohannes de Turre crematâ Albertus Pighius Thomas Waldensis Petrus de Palude Cardinall Caietane Franciscus Victoria Dominicus Soto Nicolaus Sanderus to which number this Examinate saith he could adde diuers others as Martinus Aspilcueta Couarruuias c. Of which opinion Cardinall Bellarmine saith that it is communis sententia Catholicorum Theologorum the common opinion of Catholicke Diuines albeit Alexander Carerius and Rodericke Sancius doe affirme as much for the other In this number this Examinate confesseth that he did range himselfe in his late letter to the said Cardinall as inclining rather to his side then to the other being notwithstanding bound to neither of them vpon any danger of declining from the Catholicke faith So as if now hee vse his libertie therein as touching his Maiestie hee hath as he supposeth Cardinall Bellarmine himselfe for his author therein 37 For where there is this clause in the oath of Allegeance I doe further sweare that I doe from my heart detest and abiure as impious and hereticall this damnable doctrine and position that Princes which be excommunicated or depriued by the Pope may be deposed or murthered by their Subiects or any other whatsoeuer Cardinall Bellarmine saith that it was neuer heard of ab intio nascentis Ecclesiae vsque ad haec nostra tempora vt vllus Pontifex Maximus Principem vllum quamuis haereticum quamuis Ethnicum quamuis persecutorem caedi mandauerit from the first birth of the Church vnto these our times that any Pope euer commaunded any prince though an heretick though an Ethnicke though a persecuter to be slaine And that therefore the feare which is pretended of the Kings life if the Bishop of Rome had the same authoritie in England which hee hath in other Christian kingdomes is vaine and that all pretences tending that way are but stratagemata Satanae the deceits of Sathan The which affirmations of the Cardinals being true the same for ought this Examinate seeth doe iustifie the said part of the oath by him taken euen the very same which of all other parts in it is most misliked by many Catholickes in England For it must needs be granted generally that were it not in respect of the Popes excommunication of Kings and princes his deposing of them from their Crownes and his absoluing of their subiects from their Allegeance it could neuer be lawfull for any of them to rise vp against their lawfull kings and Soueraignes vnder whom they were borne And it is all one in this Examinats iudgment for the Pope to command a king to be murthered as to doe and commaund that whereby the same is by others of duetie to be effected And then it followeth out of the Cardinals words that it can neuer be lawfull by the Popes authoritie either direct or indirect for any subiect vpon any pretence whatsoeuer or vnder the countenance of any authoritie to excommunicate and depose Kings or absolue their Subiects from their Allegeance to lay violent hands vpon his Souereigne which is in effect that part of the oath aboue mentioned whereunto this Examinate did sweare 38 Furthermore because it was againe tolde this Examinate that this his last answere to part of the said oath stood after a sort but vpon an inference of the Cardinals meaning and was no way sufficient to satisfie the aforesaid obiection hee this Examinate renued his former desire of proceeding by such degrees as hee himselfe thought most fit for the discharge of his duety both to God and his Maiestie and thereupon saith that he beleeueth in his conscience that the Pope is S. Peters successour and the head of the Catholick Church and that although materiall and worldly keyes may open and shut vpon fauour and friendship yet the keyes of the kingdome of heauen doe respect no mens persons be they poore or rich noble or ignoble high or low kings or subiects so as in his iudgement none may be exempted from the Popes Excommunication when there is iust cause vpon due consideration of all circumstances to inflict it adding thereunto that hee holdeth it to be the duety of all Christian kings and princes to submit themselues in causes of religion to the Bishop of Rome as vnto their chiefe Bishop and Pastor of their soules Which profession thus made this Examinate desired that one point in his former Examination published in print might here be receiued as part of his answere to the obiection aboue specified Sect. 16. 39 For there this Examinat as he truly saith M Blakwels Exam. pag. 18 19. Being vrged to explicate himselfe touching the sence he relied vpon out of his Maiesties words when he took the oth of Allegeance in that it was said hee might so vnderstand them as not withstanding his oath that dutie which was expected was no way satisfied because his Maiesties meaning was euident that hee did account it to proceed from appetite and rashnesse in any of the Bishops of Rome whosoeuer who presuming to Excommunicate any King should by the same either absolue his Subiects from their obedience or excite them to beare Armes against him or authorize

whatsoeuer either to the hurt or dishonour of his Maiesties person or the empeachment of his kingdome and Royall authoritie These conceires likewise I doe assure you from my soule are in themselues very detestable repugnant to the Scriptures and ought by all true and sound Catholickes to be for euer abandoned Bee not dismayed therefore I befeech you with any letters or Briefes which doe after a sort insinuate that the taking of the Oath of Allegeance is either repugnāt to any point of Faith as yet concluded vpon by the Church or vnto the Popes Supremacie being bounded as it ought within the limits and reach of the keyes of the kingdome of heauen Those keyes doe no way extend themselues iure diuino vnto kingdomes terrene to open or shut or to tosse or turmoile any of them they haue no wardes in them either so to turne or ouerturne them nor to open vnto you any lawfull entrances into such disobedient and vndutifull courses That the Pope is the head of the Catholicke Church therein I am resolute as also that Emperours Kings and all other Princes that professe Christianitie are subiect in some cases vnto his spirituall censures properly so termed as interdiction and Excommunication but to eradicate them or to depose them by any authoritie he can challenge iure diuino in temporalibus either directly or indirectly in ordine ad spiritualia that is vtterly against my iudgement and yet I hope I continue still as good a Catholicke as any that holdeth the contrarie notwithstanding that Cardinall Bellarmine seemeth to affirme in his Letter to me that no man can concurre with me in opinion herein and so yeeld to take the Oath of Allegeance which only excludeth the Popes authoritie in temporalibus as well that which is ascribed vnto him directly as indirectly but that hee must needes perfidiously denie the primacie of the See Apostolicke At which his words were they not grounded I thinke vpon some misinformation I should greatly meruaile considering that thereby hee doeth insinuate the Popes supremacie which ought to bee maintained without any hesitation to depend a great part of it vpon a wonderfull vncertaintie For no man knoweth better then himselfe that it hath not beene hitherto determined by the Church or iudicially by his Holinesse tanquam ex Cathedrâ whether the Pope hath any authoritie at all in temporalibus further then in those things that doe appertaine to S. Peters patrimonie and other temporalties giuen to the See of Rome And besides if it shall fall out hereafter that the Pope shall be found to haue any such authoritie it must haue beene giuen him by Christ either indirectly as hee the said Cardinall with many others his partakers doe resolutely affirme or directly as the opposite part against him doe take vpon them with as great confidence to mainteine each of them peremptorily denying the others assertion and because likewise vntill the point be ouerruled against one of the said parts which will not be done in haste for many respects it cannot possibly be determined whether the Pope hath any such authoritie as either of them holde or not it had beene fit in my iudgement for Cardinall Bellarmine not to haue entangled the Popes supremacie which is cleare and manifest with these vncertaineties and perplexities for to haue blamed me either for auoiding them my selfe or admonishing of others to take heed lest they might be entrapped or snared with them But his Amplitude writ vnto me and censured mee as it pleased him which I could the more easily haue borne as my duetie required had he not therby published to as many as shall see his Letter the Copie whereof is as I am informed spread farre and neere that by taking of the said oath of Allegeance one of the chiefe heads of our faith and foundations of Catholicke religion in discrimen adducitur is brought into question and endangered there beeing indeede no such head or foundation hitherto agreed vpon or concluded So as there is no cause for ought I know or can iudge why I should not still perseuere in the approbation of the lawfulnesse of the said othe and continue my former admonitions vnto you for the submitting of your selues vnto it when it shal be exacted of you lest otherwise you wilfully cast your selues into those miseries which are likely to fall vpon you not as so many arguments of happines and that blessednesse which is promised to those that suffer for the truths sake but of those iudgements which are inflicted vpon men by Kings and superiour gouernours for their euill behauiour and disobedience Deceiue not therefore your selues brethren such sufferings are not the way to Martyrdome nor approued of God neuer might treacherie or rebellion or the bearing of armes by subiects against their Soueraignes or their secret designements against them or the execution of the same to the endangering or hurt of their royall persons be graced or honored with that most glorious title by whomsoeuer they were either authorized vndertaken or practised Take heede I do most humbly beseech you of this kind of leauen be your lumpe of dough otherwise neuer so pure sweet and sincere this mixture will make it sowre and corrupt it Stand fast in the Catholicke faith and in the true profession thereof as hitherto you haue done Bee not led away with various and strange doctrines of deposing of Kings of absoluing their subiects from their Allegeance of authorizing them to rebell to beare armes against them to plot and lay snares secretly how to entrap them or to offer hurt or violence to their persons These things I thanke God my heart doeth abhorre and my spirit within me doeth loath and detest them The voice that bade Peter Kill and eate neuer meant that hee should deale so with Princes cast them out of their seates and bestow their kingdomes vpon others or procure them to be killed that Christians and Catholicke religion might flourish and bee comforted Meats and drinks may establish our strength but such proceedings with kings ought to be no foode for our soules Iames and Iohn because they would haue had the Samaritanes to haue beene destroyed with fire from heauen for that they would not receiue their master Christ were sharpely rebuked and told by him that they knew not of what spirit they were S. Peter drewe his sword and smote off Malchus eare in as iust a cause to the eyes of humane wisedome as was possible but Christ disliked that his fact and gaue it for a generall rule or caueat in my iudgement to all Catholicke priests and people saying that all that strike with the sword shall perish with the sword These and such like things my deare brethren are written out of question to our correption and Catholicke information Beware therefore of them in whose mouthes and actions sanguis nihil est bloud is nothing Ecclus. 8. 19. tread not in the steps of ruine stumble not against rockes commit not your selues to such laborious

their Regall authoritie with the Ecclesiasticall thereby to strengthen Bishops in the execution of their offices with any purpose that the power Ecclesiasticall should swallow vp depresse or ouertop their temporall Soueraigntie Assuredly my deare brethren such cogitations as these are scandalous to Christianitie and ought to make no impression in your soules otherwise then to eschew them Baptisme doth worke no such alteration in kings or any other it tendeth to the destruction of the kingdome of Sathan but doeth no way empaire or subiect vnto any their temporall estates otherwise then as they shall be mooued in charitie and honour where they haue receiued spirituall blessings there to bestow their benefites and fauours temporall The coniunction of the Church with temporall kingdomes to make one Christian bodie doeth make no other transmutations nor confound their gouernments and functions they doe still remaine distinct as they did before so as neither can any Emperour King or ciuill Magistrate take vpon him the administration of the keyes of the kingdome of heauen nor the execution of any other parts of priestly duties nor any Priest Bishop or the Pope himselfe challenge in right of the Church and as they are Bishops any interest or power in the temporall sword to manage the same as they thinke fit either themselues or by others at their direction it being a power giuen onely by God vnto Kings and Princes to take vengeance on them that doe euill and to be yeelded vnto not because of wrath onely but also for conscience sake Neither may the words of God to the Prophet Ieremie where hee saith I haue set thee Ierem. cap. 1. ouer nations and ouer kingdomes to plucke vp and to throw out and to destroy and throw down to build and to plant be truely inforced to giue authoritie to his Holinesse for the transferring of kingdomes from one to another or to depose kings for any cause whatsoeuer or to absolue their subiects from their allegeance or to authorize them to beare armes against their Soueraignes or to roote out and destroy any kingdome king or prince vnder pretence of building or planting some other This was farre differing from the meaning of the holy Ghost which in my iudgement is more truely syncerely expounded by that worthy Cardinall Hugo Barcbionensis about 368. yeeres since whether you will take the meaning of it literally or mystically where he writeth in this sort I haue placed thee ouer nations Hugo Card. in Iere. cap. 1. and Kingdomes vt euellas i Iudaeos esse euellendos de terrâ suâ enuncies that thou mayest declare that the Iewes are to be caried by force out of their countrey destruas i ciuitatem Ierusalem destruendam terram eorum prophetes that thou mayest foretell the destruction of Ierusalem and of their countrey disperdas i eos disperdendos à principibus Chaldaeorū praedices that thou mayest preach vnto them their dispersion by the princes of the Chaldaeans dissipes i dissipandum esse praedices regnum Iudaeorum per captiuitatem that thou mayest foretell the destruction of the kingdome of the Iewes through their captiuitie And lest the Iewes might haue despaired therefore he doth not onely foretel their captiuity but likewise their deliuerance thence adding aedifices i ciuitatem reae dificandam nuncies that thou mayest assure them their citie shall againe be reedified plantes i Iudaeos adhuc plantandos esse in Iudae praedices that thou mayest foretell the Iewes that they shall bee againe planted in their owne land Hitherto the Cardinal for the literall sense of Gods words vnto Ieremie and then thus of them mystically That thou mayest pull vp vnprofitable berbes that is euill cogitations by contrition and destroy hurtfull delights with pure confession and dissolue sinnes ill growen together by competent satisfaction and breake asunder the bands of euill custome by good conuersation and build vpon a sure rocke by cumulation of merits and mayest plant the tree of life in thy selfe and in others virtutum radicatione by the ingrafting of vertues Out of question the Prophet Ieremie who best vnderstood the meaning of God when he spake vnto him did not otherwise ouerthrow kings or kingdomes or scatter or destroy or plant or build vp any kings people or nations in his time then as this worthy Cardinall hath literally expounded the said words neither may they be further extended either literally or mystically as of later times they haue been extended for such their proceedings with kings and princes as in the Oath of Allegeance are sought to bee preuented Not long since Cardinall Bellarmine did write a letter vnto me in dislike of my yeelding to take the said Oath and perswading of others therein to followe mine example where unto after my answere was made such plots were layed by them who haue their watches ouer me as the Cardinals letter it selfe and the copie of my answere vnto it were knowen and had from me and I was thereupon brought into a long and very strict Examination wherein I being drawen from point to point and pressed vpon my duetie both to God and to his Maiesty to discharge my conscience according to my knowledge I haue dealt as becommeth a true Priest a duetiful subiect to his Maiestie a faithfull seruant of God and an obedient childe to the Popes Holines and of the Catholike Church and doe very humbly pray you my louing brethren of all sorts and withall straightly charge you by the mercies of God and in the bowels of Iesus Christ as being your Arch-priest and thereby hauing yet authority for ought I knowe ouer you thus to write vnto you that if euer my said Examination doe come to your sight as I am verily perswaded it will you doe not dislike or impugne it but wholly conforme your selues and your conuersations by your due obedience to his Maiestie agreeably vnto it The yonger sort of Catholickes I know such as are subiect to passion and strength of sundry humours and in whom there is more feruencie courage and forwardnesse then true discretion iudgement and experience will when they see it mutter and peraduenture exclaime against me But I am better perswaded of you who are more iudicious and of the graue and wiser sort that no suggestions against me or wrested constructions of any thing by me deliuered either herein or in my said Examination may breede in you any offence being men better grounded and setled in the truth touching your obedience to his Maiestie then that hereafter you will euer giue eare to any of these or such like other intiseable perswasions of mens alluring reasons as that you are no longer to obey his Maiestie as dutifull Subiects are commanded by the Apostles but vntill you shall bee able without danger either of losse of goods or of your liues by reason of your numbers or of some direction from the Pope to beare armes against him or to machinate or put in practise any attempt

creatures as God the Father is but this kingdome is eternall and diuine and doeth not take away the Dominions of men nor agreeth to the Pope that Christ as man is the spirituall king of all men and hath a most ample spirituall power ouer all as well faithfull as Infidels that this spirituall kingdome of Christ after the day of Iudgment shall be sensible and manifest and that the glory of this kingdome was begun in Christ our head quando à mortuis resurrexit when hee arose from the dead that this Spirituall kingdome is not a temporall Kingdome such as kings enioy nor can be communicated to the Pope because this spirituall kingdome presupposeth the resurrection that Christ as man might if he would or had thought it expedient haue taken to himselfe a Regall authoritie but hee would not and therefore did neither receiue nor had either the execution or authoritie or power of any temporall Dominion or kingdome that all kingdomes are gotten either by succession or by election or by the sword or by gift but Christ had no temporall kingdome by any of these meanes that Christ did neuer execute any Regall authoritie in the world that Christ came to minister not to be ministred vnto to bee iudged not to iudge that hee should haue receiued such a Regall authoritie in vaine hauing neuer any vse of it it being a vaine power quae nunquam redigitur in actum which is neuer brought into act that Christ did not cast out of the Temple the buyers and sellers of Oxen and Sheepe by any Pontificall or Regall power sed more Prophetarum zelo quodam diuino but after the maner of the Prophets by a certaine diuine zeale that kingly authoritie was not necessarie for Christ nor profitable but plainely superfluous and vnprofitable that the ende of Christs comming into the world was the redemption of mankind to which end spirituall power was onely necessarie and not temporall that that power meerely temporall was vnprofitable for Christ is apparant because he was to perswade men to contempt of glory delicacies riches and of all temporall things wherewith kings of this world doe most abound that all the places almost of Scriptures which speake of the kingdome of Christ must needes be vnderstood of his spirituall and eternall kingdome but temporall kingdomes are not eternall that Christ was not a temporall king of the Iewes but a spirituall king of the Church that although the Pope is said to haue that office which Christ himselfe enioyed when he was among men yet those offices cannot be ascribed to the Pope which Christ had as God or as hee is now an immortall and glorious man but onely those and yet not all of them which he held as a mortall man that Christ because he was God and man habuit quandam potestatē quam dicunt excellentiae had a certaine power of excellencie as they call it whereby he gouerned both faithfull and Infidels whereas hee committed his sheepe onely that is the faithfull to the Pope that Christ as hee was man had power to institute Sacraments and worke miracles by his owne authoritie which power the Pope hath not that Christ could absolue men from their sinnes without Sacraments which the Pope cannot doe that Christ doeth communicate that power to the Pope which might bee communicated puro homini to a meere man which was necessarie for the gouernement of the faithfull so as without impediment they might obtaine the kingdome of heauen 56 That these places and authorities Data est Idem ibidem cap. 5. mihi omnis potestas in coelo in terrâ Matth. 8. All power is giuen vnto me in heauen and earth Christus beato Petro vitae aeternae clauigero terreni simul coelestis Imperij iura commisit Christ committed to S. Peter the key-carier of eternall life the Nicol. Pap. epist. ad Michael rights both of the terrene and celestiall Empire Ecce duo gladij Luc. 22. Beholde here are two swords doe no way preiudice the former doctrine that the Popes power to decide temporall suits and questions Can. caus 11. quaest 1. Quicunque litem was granted vnto him by Theodosius ex pietate non ex debito of deuotion not of duetie that Christ for the preseruation of humilitie ordeined that the Pope should haue need of the Emperours defence in temporalibus Idem ibidem cap. 10. and that the Emperour also should need the Popes direction in spiritualibus and that therefore he left the Empire to Tiberius and bestowed the Popedome vpon Peter 57 That as touching the temporall principalities Idem ibidem cap. 9. which they haue indeed the same were giuen to the Bishops of Rome and other Bishops by godly men such as Constantine Charles the great and Lewis his sonne were that although it were peraduenture absolutely better that the Bishops of Rome should onely intermeddle with spirituall matters and kings with temporall yet through the malice of time experience teacheth it to be both profitable and necessarie that as in the old Testament the high Priests were long sine Imperio temporali without a temporal gouernment and yet in those last times religion could not haue consisted and bene defended except the high Priests had bin likewise kings as in the time of the Maccabees euen so it hath come to passe with the Church that she who in the beginning did need no temporall principalitie doth now seeme to haue need thereof necessarily 58 All the premisses being in this maner alledged out of Bellarmine in effect word for word by this Examinate it was told him that except he could be content to open and enlarge himselfe further then after this sort forasmuch as Bellarmine notwithstanding all that this Examinate hath repeated out of him for the expressing of his owne iudgement doeth afterward clearely attribute such an indirect powre to the Pope ordine adspiritualia in order to things spirituall as doth giue him authority when he thinketh fit to deale with Emperours and Kings as if all the world were at his commandement directly or indirectly it forceth not for the eradicating of them deposing of them absoluing their subiects from their obedience and plotting against them by his firebrands and Assassins as times and places may serue his turne as it hath beene touched Sect. 35. and 45 hee this Examinate should leaue the matter worse then when hee began and shew most manifestly that when he tooke the oath of Alleageance hee did dally and dissemble aboue measure otherwise then became any dutiful subiect liuing in a case so neerely concerning his Maiesty and the State of the Kingdome 59 Vnto this point this Examinate for his answere saith that he maketh no doubt but that he hath sufficiently so opened his minde and enlarged himselfe as that there can bee no question of his sincericie toward his Maiestie in that hee hath twice Sect. 4. 47. shewed his iudgement touching the practise of the primitiue Church for the