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A10173	Protestants demonstrations, for Catholiks recusance All taken from such English Protestant bishops, doctors, ministers, parlaments, lawes, decrees, and proceedings, as haue beene printed, published, or allowed among them in England; since the cominge of our king Iames into this kingdome: and for the most parte within the first six or seuen yeares thereof. And euidentlie prouinge by their owne writings, that english Catholiks may not vnder damnable syn, co[m]municate with English Protestants, in their seruice, sermons, or matters of religion: and soe conuincinge by the[m]selues, their religio[n] to be most damnable, & among other things, their ministery to bee voide, false & vsurped.	Broughton, Richard, attributed name.	1615 (1615)	STC 20450; ESTC S112509	81,861	158

greate prosperi●y seuen and thirtie yeares and odd monethe● professing voluntary pouertie Went to Rome where in the habit of a Religeous man hee ended his life in poore estate And Ethelburga his wife became a vayled Nunne was made Abb●sse of Barkinge neare london wherein shee ended her life The Brethren of Ina● were kenten whose sonne was Aldome Abbat of Malmesbury and Bishop of Sherborne And if wee desire Example from the the Norman Race Kinge William the first by by some syrnamed Conqueror may bee added both to encouradge vs to continue in the Religion of the church of Rome and to bee fearefull either to persecute or forsake yt of him his affaires this Theater entreateth thus His holy father Pope Alexander tke seconde sett in a Theater sup pag 418. n. 19. foote sending twoe Cardinalls and a Bishop from the See Apostolick in a Councell degraded stigand Archbishop of Canterbury EgelWine Bishop of the easte Angles besides diuers other Bishops and Abbots of the english nation depriued for noo euident cause but onely to giue place to the Normans in fauour of the kinge Kinge William gaue his oathe vppon the holy Euangelists and the relicks pag. 421. of S. Alban● the Martyr Pope Gregoire sendeth hither his bulls against the mari●d cleargie Pope Gregorie in all generall Synode excluded the maryed preists from execution of their holy offices and pag. 422. forbad they lay men to hear● their Masses our Lords body and the blood of our Lord consecrated by preists To shewe how iustly and seuerely God punished the hinderance of Masse● and profession of that Religion speaking of the destroying of Religeous howses and churches hee writeth thus Kinge William pulleth downe pag. 421. 36. mother churches from mans vse and Gods seruice in Hamt●hire novv new forest Richard hi● second sonne there dyed goared vvith a deare or blasted vvith a pestilent ayre and Rusus his other 〈◊〉 46. sonne mistaken for a deare shott through vvith an Arrovve by vvalter Tyr●ll Henry likevvise his grandchilde by Robert Curtoise persuing the chase vvas struken vvith a bough in the Iavves and as Absalon le●t hanging vntill hee died t●es punishments vvith a straunge earth quake and other straunge hinges ascribed for taking away vse of Gods seruice And speaking of his greate repentance and vertuous end hee writeth thus Hee pag. 425. n. 65. 66. 64. builded many religeous howses moste certayne it is that in the verie same place Where kinge Harolds standard was pitched and vnder which himselfe was slayne there William the Conqueror laid that foundation Battle Abb●y d●dicating yt to the Holy Trinitie and to S. Martine that there the monkes might pray for the soules of Harold and pag. 423. the rest that were slayne in that place hee repenteth him of his crueltie in England doth not a●count yt his owne but Gods Hee giueth his Crowne and ornaments therto belonging to the monkes pag. 422. 423. of Saint Stephen in Cane Hee giueth to his sonne Henry Beaucler●ke onely 5000. prounde without any contry proph●syinge how hee should bee heire to all Th● dying kinge for kinge must dye hauinge pag. 424. nu 56. pag. 223. raised vp his weake body vppon the pillo●es hard the sounde of the greate Bell in the metropolitane church of Saint G●●uis neare Roan demaundinge the cause one replyed that it did then ring● prim● to our ladi● ●herevpon with greate deuotion lifting his eyes towards heauen spreadinge abroade his handes I commend myselfe saith hee to that blessed ladie Mary Mother of God that shee by her holy prayers may reconcile mee to her most deare owne our Lord Iesus Christ and with thes wordes yeelded vp the Ghost Their protestant Archbisop Parker is lately with applaose new printed and speaking of the Romane Religion and authoritie abrogated by the new lawes of kinge Henry the 8. writeth thus Parker Antiq. Britan p 329. His legibus by thes lawes the power of the Pope that had continued in England aboue 900. yeares hee meaneth from the tyme of our Conuersion by S. Augustine sent hether by Pope and Saint Gregory was ouerthrown● And M. Mason Masō booke of Consecr in M. Park with his directing protestant Bishops assure vs that this Matthew Parker was allowed for Archbishop of Canterbury by other order then any his predecessors in the See of Canterbury Therefore wee may not forsake the Religion of Rome soe embraced and honored by all Christian kinges princes Bishops and true beleeuing subiects vntill this time of protestants by their owne testimonies Againe I argue in this maner Noe Religion that is soe farr from truthe and to bee iustifiable for good and holy that the cheifest professors and doctors thereof acknowledge generally that it is false erroneous or fallible may bee communicated withall But the English parlament protestant Religion is such Therefore not to bee communicated with The maior proposition is euidently true for as thes protestants haue taught vs before noe communion is to bee had in spirituall things with men of a false and deceatefull Religion for such by noe possibilitie can bee the infallible and most vndoubted word reuelation of God which by noe power can either bee false or doubtfull But the phantasticall deuise Imagination and humane hereticall Inuention of seducers The minor proposition is soe generally graunted by the protestants of England That D. Morton Morton Apolog part 2. pag. 315. with publicke pri●iledge absolutely for them all writeth thus Thesis generalis nullus est omnino in ecclesia cuius Iudicium est infallibilis authoritatis Yt is a generall maxime And so to bee receaued of them all That there is non at all in the church whose iudgment is of vnfallible a●thoritie D. Willet giueth this testimonie In England will Antilog praef angl pa. 71. 120. 150 43. Praefat. to the Reader supr the temporall prince is Gouernor Ruler cheefe Ouerseer and Steward of the church to whose Iudgment and redresse the reformation of Religion belongeth Yet thee addeth thus neither hee nor any in their church haue any priuiledge from error And this is soe manifest by the often chaungings and choppings of their Religion by kinge Henry 8. kinge Edward 6. and Queene Elizabeth that to goe noe further their errors and contradictions defended and published by their owne statutes are shamefull to bee recited and soe euidently knowne that their protestant Bishop of Peterborough Doue persuasion with others doe freely acknowledge yt that all protestant princes with their church had erred and seduced others Or yf against all hope or possibilitie in S. Edwyne sands opinion wee Relation of Religion might expect a generall councell by their doctrine which not onely hee but all protestants confining spirituall iurisdiction to call councells onely to the temporall and ciuill authoritie of particul●r princes and contryes wherein they rule and noe farther much lesse ouer all nations Christian as the Pope claymeth yett to

ministery wee are all one wee are all of one faithe VVee are ministers of the worde by one order wee preache one faith and substance of doctrine Then which nothing was euer more truly said or written Willet Antilog pag. 15. 20. Your greate Controuertist D. Willet writeth thus amonge protestants of ●ngland there is noe difference or diss●nt in any substantiall point of faith As for puritans and Caluinio-papists they are termes of papists deuisinge D. Georg● Abb. sup pa. 90. 106. 236. 237. Povvell sup pag. 48. 52 Your present protestant Archbishop of Canterbury is soe confident herein that hee vseth thes wordes Noe Goliath against vs can proue the contrary D. Powell with publicke approbation hath thes wordes Noe reformer euer distinguished betweene protestants and them of the reformed church The puritans doe not affirme the diuision betweene protestants and them to bee in substantiall points non but papists affirme that protestants and puritans differ in substantiall points of faith and hee lyeth which saith they differ in substantiall poyntes Like are the testimonies of others But thes are fullie sufficient in this place Therefore seeing I am to alleadge onelie causes and reasons essentiall and substantiall in Religion from thes your english protestant Bishops and doctors why their countrie Catholicks may not by their owne doctrines and proceedings communicate with them in matters of Religion It is euident that noe english protestant or puritane may or in conscience ought to denie any such authoritie to bee cited in this treatise or any conclusion truelie and scientificallie deduced from such their allowed principles for in soe doeinge by their generall graunt before hee should become a papist and a recusant to communicate with protestants or a blasphemous Goliah vncircumcised philistine or a lyer by their owne censure and Iudgment which would bee new and vrgent causes to auoide all spirituall communion with such men Wherevppon presuminge that noe aduersarie will soe muche disable my studyes in diuinitie and artes subordinate vnto yt But that I am able from graunted and allowed principles to deduce necessarie and vndemiable Conclusions I therefore doe confidentlie name this worke A booke of english protestants Demonstrations for English Catholicks recusancie Because the moste iust causes of Catholicks refusall to communicate with protestan●s in Religion are euidentlie proued by those protestants them selues in this Treatise And soe in all obedient and humble manner I take my leaue I rest and hope to continue for euer in all dutifull and beseeminge obedience and loue to our moste blessed Sauiour his Holie church and Religion his maiestie my dearest countrie and your Lordships the moste honorable portion thereof as I haue before professed and obliged myselfe by attestation and bonde vnuiolable PROTESTANTS DEMONSTRATIONS FOR CATHOLICKS RECVSANCIE The first particular protestant Demonstration why english Catholicks may not communicate in spirituall thinges with protestants is because by their owne testimonies yt would bee an act and offence vnreasonable irreligious and damnable THAT it is not lawfull for any Catholicke or member of the Romane church to communicate in Religion and spirituall thinges with the protestants of England I demonstrate by their owne testimonies And first argue thus Noe professors of Religion may lawfully and with securitie forsake that church and communion in which by the testimonie of aduersaries themselues there is saluation and many haue beene by that profession glorious Saints to communicate with a new Religion whereof there is noe such hope or certaine expectation But the state of Catholicks by communicating w●th protestants and forsakinge vnion with the church of Rome should bee in this ●erplexitie euen by thes protestants confession Therefore they may not in conscience forsake communion with the Romane church to ioyne with thes protestants in such busines The fi●st proposition is euidently true for good thinges and certaine may not bee left and forsaken for thinge● either euill or vncertainely good And that men may not communicate in a straunge Religion is confirmed by D. Couell and M. Hull prouinge yt by many Couell exā ●a 200. 201 Hul. Rom. ●ol p. 30. 31 32. 33. 34. Sutcliff exā of petit pa. 10. 11. Povvel ref ●pist apolo●●tic pag. ●5 23. 26. 27. 100. 114 112. 113. c. Feild pa. 27 pag. 182. examples and testimonies of scriptures and antiquitie T●at wee may not communi●ate ●ith men of a diuers Religion D. Sutcliffe telleth vs that such communion is reproued by the authoritie both of the fathers of the church and of aun●i●nt Christian Emp●rors The like hee testifieth of Holy scriptures M. Powell is plentifull in this matters and not needfull to bee cited no● man of learninge and conscience affirminge communion in a false or contrary Religion to bee lawfull The minor proposition of certaintie of saluation in the Roman church is thus confirmed by thes protestants D. Feilds wordes bee thes the Romane and la●ine church continued the true church of God euen till our tyme and againe in this maner Wee doubt not but the church of R●me in which the Bishop thereof exalt●d himselfe was not withstanding● the true c●urch of God that is hel● a sauing profession of the truthe in Christ and by force thereof conuerted many contryes from error to truthe D. Couell writeth thus in the name of them all Protestants Couell def of hooke pa. 68. doe gladly acknowledge them of the Romane church to bee t●● family of ●hesus Christ they of Rome Were still are in the church it ●● straunge for any man to deny them of Rome to bee of the church Wee affirme them of the Romane church Couell supr pag 73. 76. to bee partes of the church of Christ and that those that lyue and dye in that church may bee saued Yett both hee and D. Feild giue this sentence Couell sup pag. 76. Feild p. 69. Feild pag. 182. there i● noe saluation remission of synnes or hope of eternall life out of the church D. Feild further telleth vs that diuers of the Romane church euen of the best learned that coulde not pleade Ignorance bee saued and Saints in heauen Their Bishop Barlowe hath written how greate difficultie it is for princes to bee saued Barl. ag a name l●sse Cathol Willet An. pag. 144. Speede Theat of greate Britan yett D. Willet writeth thus it is not denyed by any protestant but many renowned kinges and Queenes of the Romane faithe are Saincts in heauen The names of our moste holy kinges and Queenes of England which M. Speede in his late Theater of greate Britanie relateth to haue forsaken their Crownes and kingdomes to become pore Monkes Nunnes in that church and Religion and to bee chronicled for all posterities to haue beene moste holy one ●arthe and now glorious Saints in heauen are too many to bee recited Therefore seing thes protestants assure vs that the church of Rome is the true church of Christ they that liue and dye in yt come to heauen and many

admitt for the greatest reason of satisfaction For if it bee held an excellent point of phisicke ex vipera theriac●m to turne po●son into an Antidote against poyson and in God accompted an highe degree of vengeance to turne the Egyptians against the Egyptians and in Dauid celebrated as a principall matter of triumphe to cutt of Goliah his heade with his owne sworde and in Christ obserued as an vnansweareable matter of conuiction to iudge the euill seruant by his owne mouthe and acknowledged in S. Paule as the moste expedite meanes of confutation of the men of Crete to oppose against them their owne c. And yett to giue them more aduantage I wil demonstrate onelie by those english writers and proceedings of their protestant Religion which haue beene printed published or allowed amonge them synce his maiesties cominge into England and principallié within the first sixe or seuen yeares thereof that english Catholicks soe greuously punished for refusinge to communicate with their contrie protestants in sacraments seruice sermons or exercises of their Religion cannot doe yt by their owne Iudgments nor they exact yt without moste greuous deadelie and damnable syn And because I freelie acknowledge myselfe a preist of the Romane church and offer to defend or proue against all protestants or other Enemies the moste honorable dignitie of that sacred function And your proceedings propose oathes to trie the loialtie of english preists and Catholicks knowinge that wee will rather suffer deathe and all miseries as wee haue done then to sweare any the leaste things which wee thinke vntrue Beinge now come to my decaying time tree and fistie yeares of age doe take and leaue behinde mee as a memoriall of my Innocencie this ensuing oathe and desire it bee named An oathe of a Catholicke preist his true alleadgeancie to kinge and contrye Humblie submittinge my Iudgment in all religeous doctrine with all true Christiās to our mother church of Rome a Rule Kings sp●ac● in h●●● parlament to all both in doctrine and ceremonies as his maiesties publicke censure is I protest in verbo veritatis takinge God and the whole Court of heauen to wittnes that I neuer committed in deed word or consent any treason or conspiracie either against our kinge Iames his maiestie whose moste dutifull and obedient subiect in all ciuill obedience I humblye acknowledge myselfe and soe entreate to bee accepted of him or against Queene Elizabeth his predecessor or any forreyne prince in whose dominion I haue lyued And I call againe God and the Court of heauen to wittnes that I neuer committed against this kingdome of England my dearest contry or anyother state or prouince where I haue lyued or my parson in them lyuing or deceased murther theft Rapine violence vsury oppression encha●n●m●nt sorcerye fornication addultery or other carna●l act with any creature periurye false testimoni● gluttonie drunkennes or any greate or scandelous sinne to my knowledge disgracef●lly punishable by the lawes of England of which ● haue beene a student and by the grace of God giuen in my holy Religion I hope intend and purpose soe to perseuer all my life Soe helpe me God and his holy Saincts You see how confidentlie I haue sworne such an oathe of fidelitie and Innocencie from offence concerninge temporall Regiment or dutie of a subiect to his soueraigne as I stand in doubt whether any of your pretended Clea●gie protestant will second mee therein or noe And yett there is noe matter against your Religion conteyned in yt as your soe named newe oathe of alleadgeance comprehendeth against the Pope and church of Rome as they haue censured to whome soe greate respect as before is due by your owne doctors sentences But I am out of all doubt that manie reuerende and learned preists of this kingdome will in Innocencie add to that which I haue begun And all the rest of that consecrated companie still sufferringe for that most glorious and holy cause will bee able to performe as much in that kinde as any temporall Soueraigne can in conscience exact of a spirituall and cleargie man and more then your best and moste selected Bishops or Ministers will assume to doe For matters of Religion this treatise will bee our warrant that wee must continue our vnitie with our Mother church of Rome and not with those whoe by their owne Iudgments and testimonies are Hereticks Scismaticks damnably seducers and seduced and such as by manie other titles by their owne conclusions are men not to bee communicated with in busines of Religion except men would willfullie incurre damnation Such as your moste allowed doctors writters are most manifestlie proued in this worke by their owne writings Therfore I craue pardon that the harshenes or distastfull euidence of thes protestant demonstrations bee not imputed vnto mee but to your owne protestant and puritane doctors Authors and publishers of them to the worlde for by their authorities and in their name I am to dispute proceede in euerie Argument and conuiction And because I desire to bringe securitie to all Readers that noe english protestant or puritane can by their owne Religion take iust exception against the weakest Conclusion of this booke I haue not handled any matters in yt but such as by their owne agreement ar essentiall materiall and fundamentall in Religion For how soeuer otherwise they disagree and ar not easelie to bee distinguished yett in thes soe necessarie and vnseperable things of true Religion as they tell vs they all agree D. Georg. Abb. ag Hill pag. 101. 102. 94. 106. 236. 237. 347. Doue persuas pag. 32. Morton full satisf pag. 18. The words of your present Archbishop of Canterbury ar thes protestants puritanes did neuer differ in any point of substance in substantiall points of faithe there is noe variance amonge vs. And this hee affirmeth seuen times at the leaste in one booke The protestant Bishop of Peterborough writeth thus in ma●ters of Religion wee all agree D. Morton D. Sutcliffe D. Willet Wotton Middleton Powell the Sutel ag k●ll pag. 42 Willet Antib pag. 15 Wottō def of Perk pag 28. Middl pag 201. Povvel ag ap ep pag. 48. 45. Abr●dg Edw. holy knight pag. 103. of his 〈◊〉 Puritanes in their Abridgment with others too manie to bee cited are of the same opinion And it is soe generallie allowed amonge them that they tell vs non but such as they terme Papists Goliathes vncircumcised Philistines lyers and will affirme the contrarie Your circumcised knight as hee will bee named writeth thus our formalists and Presbyterians how soeuer they bee somewhat different in habite yett are they vnited in harte readie at all times to Ioyne in battell against any vncircumcised Philistine that dares contest against the vniformitie of their Rogers pref to the booke of articles faith Your publick glosser vppon your approued articles writeth in this maner The verie brethren themselues doe write that in regard of the common groundes of Religion and the

such are soe renowned Saints with God in heauen and that out of the true church there is noe saluation remission of sinnes or hope of eternall life and there is but one true church Catholicks in conscience cannot forsake the Religion and communion of that sacred and sauing Roman church to communicate with protestants Againe I argue thus That church and Religion ● vnto which all former good Christians of this kingdome whether Brittanes Romanes Saxons Danes Noruegians or Normans kinges or subiects were vnited in Religion vntill the tyme of kinge Henry the eight is still in all prudent Iudgment to bee continued in and communicated withall But the Romane church and Religion is such Therfore not to bee forsaken The maior proposition is euidently true for of necessitie that Religion of Christ which is good and maketh the professors of it such is to bee embraced and followed and they which embrace and followe yt to bee imitated and communicated with and the contrary to bee auoyded and forsaken for as it is the nature of goodnes and good thinges to bee desired and embraced Soe of euill such things to bee left and refused The Minor proposition is manifest by too many protestants to bee recited in this place I will therefore onely alledge their cheifest latest and moste approued writers M. Speed taking vppon him the name of the Author of the late booke called the Theater of greate Britaine is soe partiall a reporter Theater of greate Brit. in all christian kings vntill Henry 8. of things for protestants by Instigation of their Bishops and Ministers that hee is taxed by all indifferent men that were either the Composers of yt or that haue perused it with equall Iudgment And yett hee is wittnes through the Regiments of all Christian kings of England from Lucius the first vnrill the desolution begen by K. Henry the eight that the popes supreamacies Holy sacrifices of Masse prayer to Saincts and for the deade reuerence of Holy relicks and Images pilgrimage purgatory and other catholicke doctrines now impugned by protestants were euer allowed and generally practiced in this kingdome by practice and deuoute profession whereof to omit subiects though of high renowne sonnes and daughters of kings them selues more kings and Queenes in England became religeous monkes and Nunnes and now by thes protestants are honored for glorious kinges Queenes and Saincts in heauen Then euer were protestant kinges and Queenes in all the world though neuer so● vnworthy the name of Theater of greate Brit. pag. 33. n. 8. pag. 49. n. 5. pag. 53. pag 159 p. 161. pag. 294. pag. 298. pag. 301. pag. 305. Theat supr pag. 344. pag. 47. pag. 302. pag. 306. pag. 308. pag. 310. pag. 311. pag. 338. pag. 361. pag. 364. pag. 366. Saincts or sanctitie Such were as thes protestants tell vs Kinge and Sainct Ethelbert kinge and Sainct Offa and Sainct Fremandus his sonne kinge and Sainct Cheldwald kinge and Saint Sebba and his sonne and heire kinge and Saint Sigh●rd kinge and Saint Ceolnulph kinge and Saint Egbert kinge and Saint Ethelred kinge and S. Errcombert kinge and S. Inas kinge and Saint Richarde kings and Saincts Edwards kinges and Sainct Epmunds and others women Queenes and Saincts Queene and Saint Outhburge Queene and Sainct Etheldred Queene and Saint Kineburge Queene and Saint Eadburge Queene and S. Eue Queene and S. Ethelburge Queene and S. Oswith kinge Sebba his wife not named by them Queene and Sainct kinswith Queene and Sainct Ermenh●ld Queene and S. Sexburge Queene and S. Ethelswith Queene S. Elfride Queene and S. Eanfled Queene and S. Edgine Queene and S. Edith Queene and S. Elfgine Queene and S. Emna Queene and Saint Eleanor with others That thes holy kinges and Queenes now glorious Saincts in heauen such as a false Religion could not make them were of that holy catholicke and Romane Religion which wee now professe and for profession Theater in those kinges and Queenes c. Bale l. de scrip Britan. in Augustino Parker in antiq Britan in Cranmer will in Synops Antylog c. Theater pa. 203. cap 9. Suteliff ag Kell pa. 105 Theater sup pag. 222. kinge Edw. lavves fol. 231. pag. 1. thereof vndergoe soe many miseries not only this their Theater but their pretended Bishop Bale before their soe named Archbishop Parker Doctor Willet and others testifie neither was there from the begynning by their writings any Religion or iurisdiction lawfully practised in this kingdome but from S. Peter the Apostle and the Popes of Rome of S. Peter thus they write That hee here founded churches D. Sutcliffs argument of Supreamacie and ordayned preists and deacons is reported by Simon Metaphra●●es out of the greeke antiquities not likely to corrupt for the Romane church Guilielmus Eisingrenius in the first of his Century whoe saith that Peter was here in Neroes tyme They vrge for Pope and S. Eleuthertus epistle to kinge Lucius the lawes of S. Edward published by their protestant frend M. Lambert of Kent out of their Bishop Parkers library And by them and those their published lawes is euident that the Brittanes did not onely receaue all spirituall Iurisdiction Religion Bishops and preists from that holy Pope but temporall benefites more then protestants are gratefull for or I meane to vrge or stand vppon The wordes of those their cited lawes in the very page before are thes concerning King Edwards lavve● fol. 130 pa. 2. the Crowne of England The whole land all the Ilands to Norway and Denmarke belonge to the Crowne of his kingdome and are of the appendancies and dignities of the kinge and it is one Monarchie and o●e kingdome and was sometime called the kingdome of Britanye and now called the kingdome of Englishmen For Lord Eleutherius Pope whoe first sent an hallowed Crowne to Britanny and Christianitie by Gods inspiration to Lucius kinge of the Britannes appointed and allowed to the Crowne of the kingdome such metes and bowndes as are said before Of our Conuersion and Religion by S. Augustine and after they haue spoken sufficiently before I will add but one testimonie of their primatiue kinge and Saint Ina● their words bee thus Kinge Ina builded the renowned abbey of Theater pa. 298. 299. n. 11. Glastembury moste stately to the honor of Christ Peter and Paule where formerly stood the old Cell of Ioseph of Aremathia Which this kinge Ina after a moste sumptuous maner new built The Chappell whereof he garnished with gold syluer and gaue riech ornaments therto as altare Chalice Censor candlesticks Bason and holy water buckett Imadges and pale for the altare of an incredible value For the golde there vppon besiowed amounted to three hundred three pownde whaight and the syluer to twoe thowsand eight hundred thirtie fiue pownde besides prctious gemmes embrouched in the celebrating vesteres hee instituted a yearely payment to the See of Rome a penny for an howse on lammas day called Peter pence After hee had raigned in

expect an Impossibilitie larkes if the skye falleth wee should bee then in as desperate a case by their Religion as before For in their publick article and Rule they haue thus defined generall councells may ●rr euen in things pertayning● Articl of Relig ●rt 21. Feild l. of the church pag. vnto God Vnto which I will add the publicke protestant opinion sett downe by D. Feild in these wordes Bishops ass●mbled in a generall councell haue aut●oritie to interprett scriptures and by their authoritie to supresse all them that gaynesay such interpretation and subiect euery man that shall disobey such determination as they consent vppon to Excommunication and censure of like nature This is the desolate estate of protestants Religion by their owne testimonies without hope of hop●ls generall councell there is noe hope of truthe or saluation in their Religion And with hope of that which can neuer bee the misery is still remaininge for wee are still left in daunger of error to condemne vs and perill of separation from the church out of which as they teach before there is noe saluation remission of sinnes or hope Couell def pa. ●6 Feild pag. 69. of eternall life Therfore seing by vnion and communion in Religion with protestants both by their Iudgments and our owne alsoe wee should bee in this damnable perplexitie and certaine daunger of euerlastinge hell And by remayning in vnitie with the church of Rome in which wee comfort our selues and offer to mayntaine against all opponents herericks or Infidells that the church of Christ Popes and generall Councells cannot iudicially erre in matters of faith wee are freed from those desperate conditions and lyue in moste comfortable hope of true Religion in earth and euerlastinge saluation in heauen wee may not forsake the catholicke church Vr●is orbis of Rome and the whole christian world to ioyne with the parlament and soe miserable protestant church of England and one kingdome For confirmation of this though not needinge to bee confirmed and for further demonstration in this question I argue thus Noe men in time of controuersie about Religion may with securitie and conscience forsake the communion of the superior mother and Apostolick commaunding church or that is taught to haue especiall assistance of God in matters of Religion or that vnto which to adhere by the Iudgment of the primatiue fathers was taken for a suer taken of a true catholick euen by the cōfession of protestants to Ioyne with an Inferior commaunded and subiect church vtterly destitute of such prerogatiues and acknowledged by the doctors thereof to bee erroneous But the Catholicks of England by forsakinge vnion with the church of Rome and communicatinge with english protestants should bee in this conscionles and irreligeous condition Therefore they may not doe yt The maior proposition is three fold contayning in effect three propositions as the argument for breuitie three demonstratiue arguments The first proposition is this The mother superior and commaundinge church may not vvithout greater authoritie bee forsaken to Ioyne vvith a subiect Inferior and commaunded church And it is euidently true otherwise yt should not bee the Mother superior and commaundinge church but the contrary inferior subiect commaunded The second proposition is this That church which in the Iudgment of many hath especiall assistance from God and freedome from error in religion i● rather to bee communicated with then that which by all men euen the best learned of it self is condemned of error and confessed to be fallible and deceauing iudgment And this alsoe is manifestly true for in the first there is either assurednes or contenting hope to bee free from error and obtaine salualtion in the other noe true hope thereof at all but a confessed certainetie of error seducing and to bee damned The third proposition is this That church which by the primatiue fathers had that priuiledge ●s the aduersaries doe graunt that to adhere vnto yt was a signe of a true beleeuing catholicke is reather to bee communicated with then that which neuer had or claymed such prerogatiue And this proposition is likwise apparantlie true for in the former there is securitie from error and in the second euident certaintie to fall into error and state of damnation Now that the case of english catolicks should bee this in all this three propositions if they should communicate with english protestans I doe thus demonstrate by thes protestans them selues and first how the romane church was and still is this mother superior commaundinge Church may appeare by the sentence of his maiestè concerninge that church in this K speach in parlam wordes it is our mother church it was a rule to all both in doctrine and ceremonies when it was in her florishinge and best estate And in the conference Conference at Hamptō pag. 75. at Hampton Court their Bishop Barlowe relateth thus T●e kings resolution is that noe church ought further to seperate it selfe from the church of Rome either in doctrine or ceremonies then shee hath departed from herselfe when shee was in her florishinge and best estate and from Christ our Lord and deade D. Downame Downam l. 1. Anticor ca. 3 pa. 36. denieth not but bothe Iustinian the Emperor and the generall councell of Calcedon in the primatiue church did attribute to the Pope of Rome to bee heade of the churche And the same D. Downame D. Couell D. Sutcliffe Porkins Down supr pag. 106. ●07 Couell plea of Innoc pa. 65. Sutcliff sub vi●p 19 Perk probl pag. 237. 238. and others wittnes that at such time wherein they confesse that church a Rule to all both in doctrine and ceremonies and not to bee separated from it exercised this supreame iurisdict●on in all partes of the worlde Asia Africke and Europe Therefore this Rule to all is not in ruling departed from her selfe or Christ our heade and soe wee m●y not bee seperated from yt Which M. Ormerod proueth further assuring vs that in the Apostles time it claymed thes priuiledges of preeminence indefectibilitie from the irreuocable graunte of Christ in holy Ormer pict pap pag. 78. scriptures his wordes bee thes To proue that the church of Rome hath the preeminence ouer all churches Anacletus lyuing in the Apostles time a blessed Saint and martyr alleageth Math. 16. vers 18. vppon this rocke vvill I build my church and hee expounde●h it thus super hanc petram id est super ecclesiam Romanam vppon this rocke that is vpon the church of Rome vvill I build my church Therfore for any man to say that wee may sepearate our selues from the church of Rome because it is departed from it selfe when it was in her florishing and best estate is not onely a very friuolous and vaine excuse but in their opinion and Relation manifestly false because this church of Rome euen in that her best estate did clayme and by the warrant and graunt of Christ registred in holy scriptures as ample

21. 22. 23. auoyding of communion hee citeth the first generall councell of Nice Augustine Tertullian Pope Melchiades Ambrose Gregorie the greate S. Le● the church of Scotland Oecolampadius Caluin Bucor Musculus Peter martyr Beza Zanchius Pezelius Mollerus Szeg●dinus Danaeus Michabaeus Zepperus Wigandus M. Rogers the lat● Queenes iniunctions her Canons Bishop I●w●ll B. Pilkinton B. Westphaling● Bilson D. Humfry D. Fulke D. Andrevves D. Sutcliffe and other protestants Soe that wee see by these men that this is onely the doctrine of the primatiue Councells fathers Emperors and the present catholicke church but generally of protestants themselues The second proposition that these protestants are hereticks is directly proued before by their owne writings for men obstinately settinge vpp and mayntayninge against their lawfull superior and commaunding Authoritie a congregation of men wanting true preaching of the word of God due ministration of sacramens and an intruded and vsurped ministery as by their owne testimonies they haue longe tiue done and still doe must needs bee hereticks For thus they define heresie Hereticks Couell ex● pag. 202. Ormerod dial 2. are men obstinately ●rringe in some fundamentall poynt Such as these bee by their owne doctrine before And these againe Hee is an hereticke which so● swarueth from the vvholesome doctrine as contemning the iudgment both of God and the church persisteth in his opinion and breaketh the peace of the church As these men haue longe time done in the highest degree and soe still perseuere Secondly as I haue alsoe proued before D. Couell exā pag. 199. Couell writeth thus Hereticks are they vvhoe directly gaynesay some article of our faith are or haue beene condemned by some generall Councell But these protestants are in this state condemned as they haue acknowledged in diuers such articles by diuers councells which they write and testifie to bee generall as the second Nicene Councell the Councell of Florence Constance Laterane and others and not in some one article of faith though that by their recited definition were sufficient to make them hereticks but in all or the cheefest articles of their Religion and yett not onely obstinately they defend their Errors against these allowed generall Councells and the whole Catholicke church but moste vnchristianely and heretically haue in their subscribed article condemned these their lawfull iudges to haue erred in those Articu 19. things which is the greatest and moste notorious act of heresie that can bee and such as destroyeth all true Religion Therefore by their owne Censure they are notorious hereticks not to bee communicated withall in matters of Religion Thirdly I suppose in this place breefely which these protestants before haue testified at lardge that they all agree in fundamentall points without variance at all And that definition of heresie by them before Hereticks are men obstinately erring in some fundamentall Couell exā pag. 202. point And I argue these whosoeuer by them●●lues pretended to agree in all fundamentall essentiall and materiall things are yett by them selues often ce●●ured denounced and adiuged to bee hereticks are to bee esteemed for such and not to bee communicated with in Religeous things But these english protestants by their owne Censures and iudgments are in this condition Therefore to bee esteemed and in spirituall communication to bee auoided as hereticks The maior proposition is euidently true for as the christian philosopher writeth Satie firmum argumentum est c. That argument Lactant firmian Insti l. 4. de vera sap cap. 12. or euidence that is giuen of the enemyes thems●lues is stronge enough to proue the truthe for noe man will deny that which both frends and opposites affirme The minor proposicion that english protestants by their owne censures are hereticks is proued by them in this order D. Willet writeth in these words protestants VVillet apud Parkesp 20 haue sett a foote straunge nouel●ies paradoxes vvhirle pilt poynts bubb●●s of nevv do●trine straunge and vnsounde positions contrary to the scripture Therefore by their doctrine hereticall and they bee hereticks which M. Parkes Parkes ag lymb inpref sup ep ded Ormer dial 2. Ormer pict pur intitul Ormer dial 1. speaking of them plainely testifieth in these words they haue pestilent heresi●s And againe They are hereticall and sacriledgeous M. Ormerod writeth of these soe well agreing protestants in this maner They are in the compasse of heresie And againe They doe resemble the Anabaptists condemned hereticks in aboue sourescore seuerall things And further these They ioyne sondrie things vvith the pharises Apostolicks Aerians Pepusians Petrobusians Florinians Cerinthians Nazarens Beguardines Ebionites Catababdites Catherists Iouinians c. All which bee condemned hereticks both by this mans other protestants iudgment And hee addeth further in these words there vvas scarce heresie inuented Ormer dial 2. by ol● here●icks which they haue not ioyned in reuiue and renevve vvith fre●h and nevv colours Therefore by their owne testimonie they are hereticks if hereticks or notorious hereticks bee hereticks Againe I argue in this maner whosoeuer are obstinate in their errors being such that strike at mayne points of faith shake the foundation it selfe heauen and hell the diuinitie humanitie and the verie soule and saluation of Christ are to bee auoyded as hereticks But these english agreing protestants by their owne writings are such Therefore to bee auoyded as hereticks The maior proposition is euidently true The minor proposition is thus proued by M. Parkes whoe in his booke dedicated to their late Archbishop of Canterbury D. Bancroft writeth of these agreing protestants in these words They are heade stronge and hardened in Parkes ●pist dedic error they stricke at mayne points of faith shaking the foundation it selfe and calling in question heauen and hell the diuinitie and humanitie yea the very soule and saluation of our Sauiour himselfe Therefore hereticks by their owne testimonie Further I argue thus whatsoeuer pretended Religion doth sow swarue from the holy scriptures and Gods commaundments that it cannot bee kept without breach of them and is soe notoriously impious that by those of their owne profession and accompted godly amonge them it hath beene accompted to haue noe lawes noe good order noe discipline c. is hereticall But the english protestant Religion by their owne confession is such Therefore hereticall and not to bee communicated with in spirituall things The maior proposition is manifestly true And the minor is thus proued by these protestants themselues The english protestant author of the booke named certayne demaunds writeth in these words the protestant Cert demaūds An. 1605. p. 42. Ormer pi●● pur c. 3. Religion of Englād cannot bee kept without breach o● the commaundements M Ormerod writeth thus it hath beene conceaued by godly men in forreyne Contreyes that the english protestants haue noe lawes noe good orders noe discipline but that euery man may doe what hee list Therefore if their owne godly brethren in Religion and by their owne Relation as